At this point, you've probably heard about the kerfuffle over an upcoming Pride Night hosted by the Los Angeles Dodgers. The saga has produced a higher spin rate than a 100-mph fastball, with the Dodgers initially inviting – then uninviting – then reinviting the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a controversial LGBTQ activist group known for dressing in Catholic-themed drag.
While the group is currently invited (for now), several religious MLB players – including the Dodgers' own three-time Cy Young winner Clayton Kershaw – have since spoken out to voice their opposition to including the controversial group.
Nun Too Pleased
In case you're new to this story, some brief background:
Donning punny names (Sister Shalita Corndog!) and eye-catching and often colorful nun outfits, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are hard to miss.
The group has long championed progressive causes like abortion rights and marriage equality. Perhaps most notably, the Sisters were on the forefront of addressing the AIDS crisis of the 1980s, leading the charge on both bringing AIDS to the public’s attention and on promoting safe sex.
As for their style of activism, the Sisters might tell you they use humor to shine a light on causes close to their hearts, their nun outfits a satirical parody of Catholicism and religion in general.
Of course, not everyone’s on board with the Sisters’ brand of Catholic camp. Many Catholics say they find these antics offensive. Some people of faith have even decried them as a “hate group” for their mockery of Catholicism.
All that to say, their invite to the Dodgers' Pride Night sparked immediate controversy.
MLB Players Speak Out
Initially, it appeared that players in the league might stay silent about the Sisters' inclusion. However, as the controversy grew, several players with strong religious ties decided to voice their opinions on the issue.
First to speak out was Washington Nationals pitcher Trevor Williams, who posted a lengthy statement on Twitter which read, in part:
"As a devout Catholic, I am deeply troubled by the Dodgers' decision to re-invite and honor the group 'The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence' at their Pride Night this year... To invite and honor a group that makes a blatant and deeply offensive mockery of my religion, and the religion of over 4 million people in Los Angeles county alone, undermines the values of respect and inclusivity that should be upheld by any organization."
Here is the full statement:
Perhaps the most notable rebuke, though, was from Dodgers pitcher and nine-time all star Clayton Kershaw, who accused the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence of “making fun of a religion.” Kershaw stopped short of calling for a protest of the Pride event, but he did ask the team for an interesting compromise.
Pitching an Alternative
At Kershaw’s insistence, the Dodgers have organized a Christian Faith and Family Day and put it on the schedule for late July.
“I think we were always going to do Christian Faith Day this year, but I think the timing of our announcement was sped up,” explained Kershaw. “Yes, it was in response to the highlighting of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.”
As for the Sisters’ response, they just say that they’re happy the Dodgers have chosen to honor them. The abbess of the Los Angeles branch of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, Sister Dominia, said that Kershaw’s decision not to protest Pride is “very Christian.”
“Neighbors are neighbors,” she stated. “It’s all good.”
What do you make of the ongoing saga? Is hosting a separate Christian faith event at the ballpark a good compromise?
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Joseph Knopick
The fact that the f there was antigay antilgbtq+ assemble group. That would be offensive and considered hate speech/ hate group.
In reality so are the sisters of perpetual indulgence.
They maybe a satire group, but they promote offence against other people's sensitivities and promote hate towards Christians in general and particularly are are attacking Catholic and other similar religious groups.
Personally they are a hate group
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
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Catherine
Sosev Menw,
Goose... gander... if so, then historically religions initiated this nonsense and the persecuted are rebelling against oppression. Isn't that a natural inclination in all of nature?
Hate group... there's no polite way to state the obvious which is that organized religions beget more hate and bloodshed than any other groups I've witnessed.
Isn't having sensitivities unavoidable?
Isn't it up to me to manage what aggravates my sensitivities? I try not to intefere with someone else's life, and try not to let them intefere with mine. Life goes on.
Respecting differences involves significantly less stress.
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Gary Leu
The Nuns are clearly promoting two agendas. 1. Awareness of LGBTQIA+ issues, and 2. Contempt for Catholicism, albeit humorous. One doesn’t need to accomplish both to accomplish the other. By inviting them, it can easily be argued that the Dodgers are to some degree endorsing both issues. They need to decide with eyes wide open which issues they wish to promote as Dodger/MLB endorsed. All of this is just logical and grossly apparent.
While I can understand and have sympathy for both positions, I think their conflated message has inherently less appeal than if they were to strategically promote one depending on their audience. I’ve always thought that the message of Pride was one of positivity and inclusion. I think it would be more in harmony with the message of Pride to recognize religious people who are allies. There are Catholics who march in Pride parades to show their support. I love them for doing so. By polarizing, we are dividing.
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Linda Salavarria
What would Jesus do?
Laugh, stupid.
OMG these religious types take themselves waaaaaay too seriously! Funny how these people don't see their attitudes relatively close to the attitudes of hyper-religious people who literally commit murder if some one or some group parodies their prophets or religion. Newsflash: they are exactly the same. They just find another way to "get rid" of the problem...or play victim.
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Richard Lee Cornell
Many in the church I go too are of different faiths and of those some have a lifestyle of being single, being gay or just not wanting to have a belief that one religion is better than any others. For the right wing keep your religion to yourself and not trying to force it upon any one else. If you want a religious war then worry bout what the people of the Isalmic faith will do and have done to Christians
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Rev Ned
If your religion’s favorite hymn goes, “🎼 Jesus loves me, but, He can’t stand you!”, you’re in a hate group, not a “religion”.
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Steven Ferrell
It is disturbing that the Dodgers have invited that group and I have to question if that group dressed and made the mockery of Muslims, would they have been invited?
It seems these type of groups only make a mockery of Christianity and yet leave other religions which have even more strict beliefs against what they are pushing alone.
The Muslim religion is very much against them and in many countries, they kill anyone who is homosexual.
Why not go after and mock them?Then why can’t sports just play sports, why cater to any group at all and just let people go watch the game.
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Steven Ferrell
It is disturbing that the Dodgers have invited that group and I have to question if that group dressed and made the mockery of Muslims, would they have been invited?
It seems these type of groups only make a mockery of Christianity and yet leave other religions which have even more strict beliefs against what they are pushing alone.
The Muslim religion is very much against them and in many countries, they kill anyone who is homosexual.
Why not go after and mock them?Then why can’t sports just play sports, why cater to any group at all and just let people go watch the game.
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Rev. Donut
IMO these people are grifters.
Its about getting attention.
Look at them. Do you think any of those dudes would attract attention if they did not have on those wacky, weird outfits and support a weirdo "philosophy"?
No. Its about attention and maybe scamming some money .
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Muslim
A man is not a substitute for a woman nor a woman for a man - at least not if REPRODUCTION and the continuation of the species is DESIRED. The term LGBTQ...(RSTUVWXYZ?) is an innocuous and deceptive term for what the Sodomites were doing to each other and wanted to do to the Angels that Allah had sent to get Lot out of the city of Sodom. THAT was the primary reason why Allah put fire down on that city. Not what they were doing willingly with each other. When did that man with man/woman with woman thing begin? It stared out small and then grew in time into a CITY - a COMMUNITY. It looks different TODAY 2023. That's because Satan was reprieved 6000 years ago to show his minions how to put an obviously disobedient thing into an attractive package - something that someone can be PROUD of. But what is called "straight" (slavery of woman to man) was and is still TODAY something that is in DIRECT contradiction to what Allah wants from all humankind TODAY: SUBMISSION to the Will of God. A woman who considers submission to the will of a man more desirable or more important than submission to the Will Of God is not on the Path to The True Life. A man who plays God over a woman, that is, treats her like a slave, has also departed from the Path to the True Life, and will come to know that he is not God - on Earth or in Hell. 'I will fill Hell with jinn and humans all, a multitude from every COMMUNITY." (Quran) LGBTQ...(RSTUVWXYZ) is a COMMUNITY. So is that body of folks who fear and hate THEM - the so-called "Straight" community. "Fear Allah only" for only Allah can decide who has earned their place in Hell and who has not. And it was Allah who reprieved Satan to make the path to Hell look attractive to those who "will not believe." (Quran)
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Veronica Deevers
The gospel of Christ is there to change the sinner. Not for the sinner to change the gospel to suit the sin.
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Robin Call
No one cares that it is a Pride theme night celebration …It is the fact that they are mocking Nuns which Nuns are technically wives of the Lord and are considered pure and holy. No one should persecute or mock/ make fun of the Nuns. Everyone is making this about LBGTQ, it is not…What a person does in their bedroom is their business, it should not be thrown in others faces or forced down others throat to accept. If a person is insecure about their sexual orientation/ identity that is something on them but don’t force it on the world so the person can validate who they are….A person should Love and accept their selves, all of their selves not seek acceptance and validation from others. Not flaunt it in ways that antagonistic to others just to get attention.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
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Robin Call
No one cares that it is a Pride theme night celebration …It is the fact that they are mocking Nuns which Nuns are technically wives of the Lord and are considered pure and holy. No one should persecute or mock/ make fun of the Nuns. Everyone is making this about LBGTQ, it is not…What a person does in their bedroom is their business, it should not be thrown in others faces or forced down others throat to accept. If a person is insecure about their sexual orientation/ identity that is something on them but don’t force it on the world so the person can validate who they are….A person should Love and accept their selves, all of their selves not seek acceptance and validation from others. Not flaunt it in ways that antagonistic to others just to get attention.
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Sister Flirtatious Romanovsky of Middlesex
There are plenty of Nuns/ Sisters of other religious traditions who would be shocked to know you've "technically" married them off to your god.
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Mrknowitall
This is a hypocritical hate group that should go back in the closet and shut the door. So it’s OK to mock Christianity but heaven for bid you say anything against homosexuality ! God says homosexuality is not a good thing end of story
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
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Kevan B Copelin
Humanity’s evolutionary history proves thousands of years of love has existed on earth. The Creator GOD kicked it all off, has endlessly provided proof of right, good and love. Christ Jesus exemplified this agape love in the flesh. Humanity is only in the infancy stage. A sect to gay pride pushers ain’t got that much power! LOVE wins! Say “Yes” to faith based, spirituality oriented, movements erupting around the globe. LOVE WINS!
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Mrknowitall
You don’t have a clue about what you’re saying
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
@Kevan
We exist. The universe exists. We have limited but genuine free will. All is constant renewal.
I'm feeling the love. :)
"If everything on earth were rational, nothing would happen." ~ Fyodor Dostoevsky.
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Catherine
Kevan B Copelin,
Your choice of words remind me somewhat of Osho, the 'rich man's guru'.
About: "We are God’s, “Human Project-LOVE”."
Is this the group you referenced? "The Human Love Project is an interactive social experiment that was created to find how alike we are."
If you're not paid to troll for HLP, I hope you find a healthier social network. FB is more about collecting information to inform AI development, yes?
From Loving dot AI dot org:
"Loving AI is a research project addressing how AI agents can communicate unconditional love to humans through conversations that adapt to the unique needs of each user while supporting integrative personal and relational development. "
If you search using keywords: "AI-based religion" or "artificial intelligence creating religion", you may discover some interesting information.
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High Priest Ricky T
Ok cool good for them. I see no reason to not pander to everyone. Who is having a Pagan night? I bet the Phillies would have a Pagan night. Hell yeah we could get Gritty to show up to lead a large group ritual to get those home runs up. Then to return the favor, when the Flyers have their Pagan night we could get the Phanatic to show up to lead a ritual to get Comcast to sell the team.
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Cheryl Pettijohn
The sisters are showing more grace than their opponents. I listened to two of them on the Yas Jesus podcast last week and was very impressed. I also approve of the addition of the Christian Family Night in July. Why not? I would attend either of these events. If you want to be included but don't want someone else you disagree with included then you are a bigot. Before someone gets on here and talks about pedophilia lets remember that abuse of children is illegal. Pedophiles don't deserve equal time. And before someone brings satan into it, I would not be happy to give equal time to satanist, but my not supporting it doesn't mean these folks don't deserve it, but then I would just not participate. If it is something I disagree with I can just not attend, I can turn off the TV or radio, I can do things I support. You can still love people you don't agree with.
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ether_ore
ServantOfJudgement.
I tried multiple times to get this to go in as a reply to your earlier comment, but it won't. Perhaps this will do.
A couple of thoughts.
First, your question was whether crotch grinding on a crucifix is hate speech.
No, it isn’t.
Going out on a limb here because you claimed to already know what people would say in regard to your comment, I would like to say that a quick dictionary search clearly defines hate as something within the hater, and I don’t actually think you or anyone else can KNOW what someone else has in their heart.
Yes, “by their fruits you will know them,” but why do we automatically choose the nuclear option any time we find something offensive? I think we confuse being offended, or someone or some group we find offensive, with hate. But I disagree completely with the notion that anyone has the RIGHT not to be offended, or that anyone has an OBLIGATION to not offend.That is what people seem to be calling HATE.
If we want to be free, to have freedom of speech, of expression, and freedom of association, then that means we have to allow others to offend us from time to time.
Second, you seem to think that all people fit into just a couple of monolithic blocs. That people either all believe as you do or they are of the "left" or the "inclusive woke." Unless you are a teenager or younger, you should know that blocs really don't exist in the real world the way you seem to think they do. And what is so bad about being inclusive anyway?
Third, even if we assume for the sake of argument that both Jesus and Satan are real, which I do not. You have no way of supporting your assertion that Satan tortured or murdered millions any more than you have of your assertion that Jesus didn't kill anyone.
People torture people. People murder people.
If your thinking is that Satan caused people who knowingly or unknowingly followed his path to torture and murder, then you have no way of arguing that those following the will of Jesus didn't do the same. Or, where the crusades, the witch trials, the wars in Northern Ireland, the extermination of aboriginal people world wide, and the Inquisition (to name a few) NOT about religion and the spread of the Gospel?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
For whatever reason, there is a delay on posting comments here. It takes patience. Whether it's timed or every comment requires approval, I don't know. The process is opaque.
Thank you for your comments.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Also, you can always delete duplicate posts, if you want.
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Merlin
Self Righteousness is very ugly.
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Kevin Joseph Kervick
Do not participate and help your brothers and sisters to do the same. The perpendicular systems are emerging.
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Lionheart
What is really sad, is the fact that we get to remember those who actually died, that helped to give us freedom and liberty, for only ONE DAY. Memorial Day! Whereas for some very stupid reason Pride actually gets a whole month to celebrate. Go figure! 🤷🏼
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Rev “D”
Right Lionheart, seeing religion gets 52 Sundays, 52 Saturdays equivalent to over 3 months, oh wait thats lots more then pride. While Military gets $875,000,000,000.00, discounts, VA care, pensions, etc every day, plus indoctrination planning from birth as one pledges daily. Hmm, yeah see your point we need to celebrate more Pride to let people live free as we supposedly are, as claimed by some when not whining about banning books and people being themselves.
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Lisbeth Kieran Bushey
And the vast majority doesn't go to us Vets. Not all of us even get free healthcare! Some Vets have to pay for medications, glasses, dental, and copays as well as not getting dental benefits unless they meet a disability threshold. If you aren't classified as disabled by the VA, you don't get most of their services, let alone for free. All that money goes towards weapons and equipment, not the people they use, abuse, then throw away after they're broken. If the Church gave a crap about Veterans they would be hounding Congress to help us all - as well as no longer deporting the ones they promises citizenship to.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Absolutely true.
Conservatives, particularly religious conservatives make a LOT of noise about supporting the troops, but when it comes down to it what they really support is the military industrial complex. The actual troops are used and forgotten.
Notice the laws they DO enact - they really do support the 'unborn'! But of course subjugating women and forcing them to have children they don't want costs them nothing, and leaves them with that warm glow of having bent someone else to their will.
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Catherine
Rev D,
Isn't whether or not to celebrate homosexuality and tweens a big picture game? A strategy to divide that encourages the worst in human behaviors?
Isn't the friction more about controlling division between people and constructing laws that take away rights? Which may be the lesser problem because we have fewer rights that most of us realize.
I think celebrating differences is an attempt to break centuries of inertia and shine light on obfuscations. A tide that won't be turned.
Off topic, though pertinent to your comment about the military:
First, most who join the military seldom do so with real understanding of what is expected. Nor with the knowledge that we will - for the most part - be unable to voice opinions or share experience. So it’s not surprising the civilians have little understanding of what the military is about.
I have nothing against military personnel. I was raised in a military environment, as were many in my family. I joined. Then married military twice; the first husband lost.
You certainly have the right to voice your opinions, Rev D, which is one purpose for having a military. I would think though, you would not want to be willfully ignorant or spread poison pedagogy.
Second, "War Is A Racket" by Smedley Darlington Butler is a speech he wrote that became a pamphlet. Butler remains among the highest decorated military personnel in history. If you care to know more about military active duty, this read is for you.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Don't be silly. Conservatives celebrate diversity all year long.
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
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Lionheart
My comment was referring to the disparity of recognizing for only one day for those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and liberty, compared with celebrations of a whole month for Pride advocates. If you feel like not agreeing with my comment, is it not possible for you to stay on topic? Perhaps you are totally happy to honor those, for only one day, who gave their life, and recognize a whole month to celebrate Pride. That’s okay if you are, as for me, I find it pretty sad.
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Christine
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Lionheart
You misunderstand me, Christine. Many homosexuals will have given their lives serving in the armed forces, of which I am most grateful to them, and will honor them, along with everyone else, on Memorial Day. I still see no reason why those who have gender issues should be granted a whole month to celebrate them. Will you also be wanting a Marin Luther King month, instead of an MLK day? If you want to talk about oppression, you might want to know that National Native American Day this year is September 22. Note that they also don’t get a whole month.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You misunderstand me LH - I am a veteran.
You?
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Lionheart
My apologies, Kenneth. Thank you so much for your service. 🤗
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ServantOfJudgement
Thank you Lionheart, right on. Many have fallen worldwide for personal the freedoms most dont have, ever had or ever will have.
Ya got 24 hours boys, smok'em if ya got'em!
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ServantOfJudgement
Every single post of mine is deleted before it even hits. Weird. Almost like I'm being censored. No way! I just can't believe it! Lolololol!!!
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Rev “D”
No they are not, wow such typical christian lying SMH. If they were “deleted” we all wouldn't have to read your multiple lies.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
No, you're not special. Some posts wait on approval, that's all.
I do wish they would upgrade their comment software here. It would be nice to have a real conversation. They have potential to form a great online community here.
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ServantOfJudgement
Lol, except that one and maybe this one!
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
So they have an automated gatekeeper programmed for length and keywords - maybe.
In any case, I have a vague feeling the white Christian conservative viewpoint isn't exactly oppressed or marginalized.
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Rev “D”
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Alexander Arends
I think neither group should be recognized at a ball game. I just don't see it as good business practice. Sometimes it is better to avoid controversy, especially when you have profits in mind.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Do you feel business exists to support humanity, or humanity exists to support business?
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Rev “D”
OMG~ How offensive now having a Jesus day presented by Christians who fail to follow Jesus’ teaching to “love one another as I have loved you.” Funny how those same offended fail to see how offensive their own hypocrisy is.
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ServantOfJudgement
They dry hump crucifixes with Jesus on it. I recon Jesus loves them. I recon they're not going to make the cut. God won't be mocked, so says God. Surely you can see they're mocking God as they grind their crotches into the crucifix with Jesus on it right? Even a child can see that.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Imagine an omniscient omnipotent being that created 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe -who's really mad at you rubbing your crotch with a crucifix.
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ServantOfJudgement
....that he was brutally murdered on by those he loved....and then some cross dressers simulate sex with said crucifix......... might be a tad bit of hate from the so-called sisterhood. I'm gathering that the left(everyone here)feels Christians deserve to be hated and they're very willing to accommodate in every way possible. :]
I'm just repeating what God said, nobody has to like it. Go ahead and mock God if it pleases you.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I'm all for a person being religious and worshipping as he sees fit. This is religious freedom. It is NOT religious freedom to intimidate, shame, repress, or impose your religion on others.
Unfortunately, in the hands of a certain mentality religion becomes a cudgel and chain to control others. This pattern constantly repeats throughout history. It is alive and well today.
One day, it will be moot. People are outgrowing religion. People have eyes, and a brain. They can see what religion is, from history. They can see what God allows and doesn't allow for themselves. An adult humanity speaks for itself.
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John D. Partin
Is it really your view that it is NOT religious freedom to be against any sins at all and try to shame or repress pedophiles (in the church and outside of it), bestiality, child pornography and prostitution, sex trafficking, organized crime, racism, etc. and that we should never talk against any evils at all?
That makes it understandable why you consider our even talking about our faith and against any evils to be "imposing our religion on others", since you "think" that only you should have freedom of speech.
The abuses of religion aren't the proper practice of religion and that religion can't reasonably be condemned because of those abuses, by people who weren't even following Jesus' teachings and practices.
The eyes and the brain are properly used when the evidence presented to them proves that there is a God Who made this universe and that the mindless universe can't take care of its own needs and improperly used when they don't lead people to that conclusion.
So-called "adults" who reject God and won't listen to Him prove themselves thereby to actually be children in their "thinking" and aren't truly thinking for themselves, but are led around by their noses by the worldly herd.
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Lionheart
How do you know what God said, and how do you know it exists, for you to make those statements?
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ServantOfJudgement
Lionheart,
I'll bite.
I know what God said because the document claiming to be a message from the creator of the cosmos has been found to be historically accurate based on all archeological data thus far and it keeps true as more data arrives.The document has been found to have accurately mapped mankind's predictable and repeatable psychological behavior in all aspects of life and society.
The document is presented in what we now know as to be the most effective method of teaching a subject even thought it was written by many different authors over thousands of years. It has continuity college textbooks today can't achieve. The document presents advanced scientific and biological knowledge to a people that could not possibly understand but we do today. The document contains concepts and statements that provide psychological comfort and healing modern medicine and science can't yet produce and if they can, it's never lasting, not yet. The document established laws and principals all societies today employ without exception. When those principles falter, the society collapses always. The document verifiably predicted certain measured events long before they occurred with startling and pinpoint accuracy. The document contains a third person perspective and insight to mankind, the circumstances were caught up in and a footpath to a better future. The document CAN NOT be understood by those that don't believe(very, very, very strange but true). The document always has the ability to adapt to today and plugs in right where we walk, where the rubber meets the road. The document transcends all other documents I've ever encountered. It is unique, accurate, reliable, ground breaking, soothing, infuriating, loving, dangerous, offensive, peaceful, righteous and beautiful. Its hated by all governments, destroyed by dictators, cherished by the poor and lonely, loved by the lost and loathed by the wicked.
The document is live. Man thought it not but with God.
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Lionheart
There are too many inaccuracies in that book for it to be taken seriously, and even to list them here. A simple search for biblical inaccuracies, and also, biblical contradictions, will pull up a whole shed load. The age of the earth, the biblical flood, and our scientific knowledge of evolution, are just a few obvious errors listed in that book. Thank you for your comments though.
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Rev “D”
Ohh poor Servant.. children see a comedy act at a stadium! Oh my! Well at least child in stadium is safe from the priest waiting to commit actual sins. As for your phony book “thought it was written by many different authors over thousands of years” Thank you to point out once again how its simply men manipulating other humans, as a real god would have no need for “many different authors” Christians so damn funny with their bs! They want so badly for any excuses for their conduct, they fail see own hypocrisy and lies right in front of them.
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ServantOfJudgement
@rev d Children see a man dressed as a nun grind a crucifix with Jesus on it. Let's not water down the harshness of the so-called sisterhoods hilarious and innovative comedy act.
Interesting that the hate mongering Christian gives a polite heart felt testimony as to why he is on his path to answer a facetious question while the inclusive, loving and pragmatic atheist meets him with insults and derogatory comments. Then chides the Christian for his politeness as a parting shot.
One more thing about the Bible I'd like to add for Lionheart I find fascinating that might explain alot, even if it's frustrating.
The Bible says belief is required to understand it. The unbelievers CAN NOT understand the document, so it says. As much as athiests misquote the document and its meanings here, I see that as a truth now. Athests simply dont get it. God put an uncrackable firewall up against the godless and it works! That must be terribly frustrating, I see why atheists are so angry now, at least one reason. Perhaps its envy. Maybe its jealousy. Could be both.
Thank you Rev D for your kindness and obvious desire to be inclusive and accepting enough to even speak to a filthy wretch such as myself. Tell me more of exactly how a God should run His universe, you seem to have a leg up of proper God etiquette. Should he have given us earlobes? They seem useless. What about the sun? Sometimes its a little too sunny for me.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
“If you are looking for verses with which to support slavery, you will find them. If you are looking for verses with which to abolish slavery, you will find them. If you are looking for verses with which to oppress women, you will find them. If you are looking for for verses with which to liberate or honor women, you will find them. If you are looking for reasons to wage war, you will find them. If you are looking for reasons to promote peace, you will find them. If you are looking for an out-dated, irrelevant ancient text, you will find it. If you are looking for truth, believe me, you will find it.
This is why there are times when the most instructive question to bring to the text is not "what does it say?", but "what am I looking for?" I suspect Jesus knew this when he said, "ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened." If you want to do violence in this world, you will always find the weapons. If you want to heal, you will always find the balm.”
― Rachel Held Evans
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Christian= the biggest hate group in the world.
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Chris
Oh, boo hoo. He's playing sportsball on the Sabbath day, thus violating one of the commandments. I'd wager he's broken more of them. Getting his knickers twisted over this by proclaiming his "sincerely held religious beliefs" is nonsense. If these sportsball people are so devout, why are they still violating their beliefs for a paycheck?
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Rebecca L Tice
This was my Bible Study this morning. I'm a Christian and for years I've been posting a daily Bible Study. This one is from Acts 10.
ANYONE who Believes Jesus is the Messiah.... will be welcome in the Kingdom.
Three boys got off the ARC. One of them was carrying a gene. God knew it... and God let them on the boat.
ANYONE who Believes Jesus is the Messiah.... will be welcome in the Kingdom.
Stop being a Peter.... Stop putting God in a Box.... God created EVERYONE.
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Lionheart
Did you read those stories in a book somewhere?
Just asking for a friend of mine that believes in other stories in a different book.
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Rev. MichaelRS
Still waiting for a group like the sisters to spring up mocking Islam.
I'm waiting, but I won't be holding my breath.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Yes, I always cheer intimidation by death too.
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Rev. MichaelRS
They mock Christians in this country because they know that Christians will shake their fingers at them and only TELL them they are going to hell.
Whereas there is no shortage of Muslims that will personally act to send them there.
However, MY point is that no faith should be mocked like this...
but if somebody IS going to do it, don't be a coward about it and just mock the one where you know there's little to no consequences.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Are you religious?
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Rev “D”
Where was outrage as catholic priests were raping children? When catholics were dying of AIDS? Oh right MLB players pick & chose their wannabe “offended” bs. Go cry to your parish priest, then after get dressed with big boy pants and go collect your millions to play a game on sabbath day. Its a show, don't like it, resign from mlb , and go work for church investigations of priests.
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Daniel Gray
They have the right to, and they can refuse to play at that game and there is nothing the MLB can do about it as to try and punish them for refusing would violate their 1st amendment rights by forcing them to violate their religion
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Patrick Alois deHertogh
Can't there be a rule when you make up a acronym. You need to write it out in full words. Then you can do the letter thing. YKWIM. YHM?
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David Arthur Lewis
WWJH?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Seems like Christians love to spew out hate. And now they are the ones who are being hated by all which make the Christians hate even more.
I would be embarrassed to be called a Christian with the hate Christians are spreading.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Today's conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, are the biggest whiniest crybabies ever.
They are constantly all over social media complaining that everybody's so easily offended, That nobody can make jokes any more, about 'political correctness' and 'Wokeism' - but if anything is said they disagree with, it's a completely different story!
Trevor WIlliams sums it up perfectly: "To invite and honor a group that makes a blatant and deeply offensive mockery... undermines the values of respect and inclusivity that should be upheld by any organization."
WHAT!? Almost 500 laws proposed so far this year alone targeting LGBTQ+ and he whines about a lack of inclusivity? How is that not just disrespectful, not just deeply offensive, but outright oppression! And that's just ONE example!
Today's conservatives personify two things perfectly in America; abject hypocrisy and perpetual victimhood - and an abundance of projection for good measure.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
There is always going to be some controversy and to each their own.
Back in the day, I knew one of the original members of one of the Sisters' groups who was actually a Catholic Priest who left the Church. He was descended from Jewish / Catholic folk who lived through the Shoah, and ultimately he chose a genuine life , close to his beliefs and "the land" as he would say, waving his hand around in a circle to make his point. May his memory be a blessing!
But ... those crinolines he brought out to flounce up that nun get-up he chose! And always a big fan!
Pride Day in most places is usually hot, hotter for those who are exposed to it and hotter for those who are opposed and show up to cast out demons or throw rocks or hot coals or whatever.
My friend?
Such a small-built man who suddenly loomed large when it was needed. He had "presence."
Look, no one is going to be happy with everything, and too many people are willing to be offended by everything and protest just because they can get their name out through Twitter or some other dim-witted outlet.
Really, who cares?
If one makes enough money to buy a top of the line jockstrap and cup that doesn't chaff one's front or back unless one privately shaves something, one can hardly complain about "nuns" who have to buy their clothes from a thrift store, and still be presentable...!
For me, I will remember an old friend, who never posted crap on line, because it was before his time, who never spoke ill of anyone (except Jerry Falwell and the GOP) and who was more involved with his garden, and providing food, and who tried to live his life genuinely, privately, spiritually, and when needed, up front and personal...when it was required.
At this point he has long passed, and rests, and is thankfully far, far away from ...stupid people....
Reb Tk
Peace, Out... Reb tk
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Lisbeth Kieran Bushey
May his memory be a blessing, he sounds like he was an absolutely wonderful person!
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CB Cuff
A "hate group"?? I guess freedom of speech threatens these folks also. A strong indicator of how insecure many christians feel about themselves.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
The right wing is full of aspersions for people they disagree with, but they all boil down to the same thing. Hate group, politically correct, Woke, Snowflake, Antifa, Cuck, Social Justice Warrior, Globalist, Marxist, etc, - to right-wingers they all mean the same thing, which is for Liberals to SHUT UP and just listen to right-wingers.
It's always about power to these people. Pick an issue, and see.
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ServantOfJudgement
Isn't crotch grinding a crucifix with Jesus on it hate speech to the intellectually evolved?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What a question after the History of Christianity.
If a religion isn't an improvement to humanity, then what good is it?
The intellectually imaginative have a clear answer.
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ServantOfJudgement
Is that a yes or no?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Religion isn't just a set of opinions, it is a mentality.
This is why the 'intellectually evolved' is such a mystery to them.
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ServantOfJudgement
You still haven't answered.
Yes or no.
Is crotch grinding a crucifix with Jesus on it hate speech to the intellectually evolved?
I can't wait to watch you answer the way I already know you will.
Yes or no?
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Rev “D”
No it is not. One considers how the church had no issue torturing by cutting out intestines, or the penetrating of human beings bodies by various means, long before priests then started penetrating folks in name of god. A bit of grinding on a cross is nothing to church’s permanent disfiguring & murdering in name of jesus.
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ServantOfJudgement
@rev, @kenneth Took a bit to get an answer from you. You hesitated so long because you know you're wrong but you've got a pride issue. You therefore had to support your ego.
Your answer is No. Crotch grinding a crucifix or a crucifix with Jesus on it is NOT offensive, not to the left, not to the inclusive woke. In fact it makes you happy. Anything antichrist makes you happy. Offending anything christ maks you worthy. I get it. That's what I knew you'd say and you did. I knew this because that's what Jesus said you and your kin would say before your parents ever met. Very interesting.
This site is excellent, it's helping me understand the mind of the woke/antichrist.
Consider this: Jesus didn't kill anyone, why disrespect him? Jesus never tortured anything why disrespect him. Satan has murdered billions, why are you protecting him? Satan has tortured billions, why are you protecting him?
I already know your answers, you don't need to respond. :)
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ether_ore
A couple of thoughts.
First, your question was whether crotch grinding on a crucifix is hate speech.
No, it isn’t.
Going out on a limb here because you claimed to already know what people would say in regard to your comment, I would like to say that a quick dictionary search clearly defines hate as something within the hater, and I don’t actually think you or anyone else can KNOW what someone else has in their heart.
Yes, “by their fruits you will know them,” but why do we automatically choose the nuclear option any time we find something offensive? I think we confuse being offended, or someone or some group we find offensive, with hate. But I disagree completely with the notion that anyone has the RIGHT not to be offended, or that anyone has an OBLIGATION to not offend.That is what people seem to be calling HATE.
If we want to be free, to have freedom of speech, of expression, and freedom of association, then that means we have to allow others to offend us from time to time.
Second, you seem to think that all people fit into just a couple of monolithic blocs. That people either all believe as you do or they are of the "left" or the "inclusive woke." Unless you are a teenager or younger, you should know that blocs really don't exist in the real world the way you seem to think they do. And what is so bad about being inclusive anyway?
Third, even if we assume for the sake of argument that both Jesus and Satan are real, which I do not. You have no way of supporting your assertion that Satan tortured or murdered millions any more than you have of your assertion that Jesus didn't kill anyone.
People torture people. People murder people.
If your thinking is that Satan caused people who knowingly or unknowingly followed his path to torture and murder, then you have no way of arguing that those following the will of Jesus didn't do the same. Or, where the crusades, the witch trials, the wars in Northern Ireland, the extermination of aboriginal people world wide, and the Inquisition (to name a few) NOT about religion and the spread of the Gospel?
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ServantOfJudgement
@either I agree mostly with your statement.
My argument is: If burning a pride flag is hate speech then crotch grinding a crucifixed christ is hate speech. If crotch grinding a crucifixed christ is not hate speech then burning a pride flag is not hate speech. To me this is logical.
I know what people here will say because I read everyone's comments several times to try to understand their perspective, to better communicate. I just pay attention, that's all. I know that atheists and believers have a difficult time communicating because the two don't speak the same language, even though they do. When an atheist quotes the Bible, and believe me, they sure do, they don't really know what they're quoting usually. When a believer quotes the Bible to an atheist its even worse. Not only will the atheists not get the meaning, he really doesn't care. After all, its just and old fairy tale to most of them. What it does is it affirms the Bible quoting insane, foolish and naive stereotype Christians are often fitted with. I don't quote the Bible and usually don't respond to someone who has. I'm here to understand, not convert.
So it is it true with the self described 'Woke' and I suppose 'NotWoke' but in a different way. Results are the same, little or no communication.
Sure groups exist the way I think. They exist the way you think too. How we examine or our 'sample rate' can get people out of one group and into another or even their own unique status. I know there are plenty of exceptions but there are usually anchor points that get a person in a group. For example, most pro-lifers are righties while most pro-abortionists are lefties. Most pro gun are right while most pro gun control are left. Most so called woke are left, most not-woke are right.
Being inclusive can mean a couple of things. In the legal sense of the word, when you include something you exclude everything that you didn't include. For example, when the inclusive sisterhood of perpetual indulgence crotch grind a crucifix they exclude a huge portion of the human population. One hand does not wash the other when groups do that. It serves as a wedge to mankind and becomes a stumbling block for those that desire true inclusiveness. Does the right do the same thing? Yep. Also, there is tremendous hypocrisy on both sides of most debates like this one yet neither side sees their own faults, rather they justify their hypocrisy when pointed out.
Not much ground to cover with the Satan/God talk. Your points are similar to my talking points when I was an atheist. I'll take this angle:
Those murderous rampages you mention happen regardless of religion although religion makes for a good cover story for those with murder in their hearts, you're right. Any organization, company or country can get hijacked by wicked people. Not all nations start out evil but seems like they all end that way. Within the context of good VS evil, Satan, the leader of evil would naturally want to hijack or corrupt The Christ's efforts to bring man to the truth and peace to the world. To a believer, Satan does this quite often with all things Christ and Man. Because mankind has already fallen, the wickedness in our hearts upon birth(children need no help learning to lie) was fathered by Satan and therfore he is ultimately the force behind man's willingness to commit horrific acts against himself. He's responsible. Whereas Jesus is in opposition to these things man does against man.
Can I prove the stuff beyond all the archeological digs? Heck no! Is there proof enough for me? You bet there is.
Stay safe
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
" If burning a pride flag is hate speech then crotch grinding a crucifixed christ is hate speech."
Simple minds simplify everything, but context matters. History matters.
The LGBTQ are a repressed minority. There is a definite, effective, and ongoing WAR against the LGBTQ. Proof upon request.
Tell us all Servy - if you had not seen this story anywhere, how would you be affected? Would you lose any rights? Would you be constantly afraid the truth about you would be exposed and you would be socially rejected?
Explain to us all how punching down oppressively at a Pride flag is NOT bigotry or prejudice? AND how the fact that people of YOUR viewpoint regularly do that doesn't in any way warrant a protest?
You are comparing apples and piles of dog poo Servy. Prove me wrong.
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Marion Wolfe
Just a heads-up for anyone perusing this thread; there's no need for anyone to read past, "to me this is logical."
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I've got a pride issue? Well, apparently I've got a lot to be proud of! I thought I was simply adding some depth to your "Did you stop beating your wife YES OR NO!" question, but alas, I am no match for your keen intellect, your rapier wit, your righteous cause, or your omniscient knowledge of all, because you found me out. Apparently I am SATAN, Master of EVIL and Anti-Christ! My goodness! I'm going to have to talk to you more often! It seems whoever does really moves up in the world fast! There's a price to pay for 'persecuting' poor you SO 'harshly' - and it's the attainment of a giant ego! Apparently I have murdered BILLIONS - and that's no straw man. No - that's a straw GENOCIDE!
And apparently the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are murderers too! After all, that's what you directly compare their crime of "disrespecting Jesus" to. My goodness, how do you bear the weight and pain of constantly being you? It must be exhausting.
Your old book tells you that people who disagree with you will disagree with you does it? SHEER GENIUS.
And though you glossed over it I actually answered your question with a question - one which you ignored. Here, let me help you out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
And I am happy to teach you whatever you want to know about 'Woke', etc - but honestly if you aren't going to listen, but just shoehorn me into your forgone conclusions, I'm not sure why you even ask.
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Greg Astill
Dude that was a very long time ago and we have all evolved. Dont disrespect our church and we are all good. Crutch grinding should be kept private for you to enjoy, not on our symbolic things... Dont be so basic
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
And let me repeat, it's really hard to quantify the number of people who have been screwed by the cross throughout history. A LOT.
Honestly, it's hard to imagine a more appropriate response.
So, the question you need to ask is if protesting past wrongs is "Hateful", just because somebody else doesn't like it.
Payback is a B. Nobody likes bad karma. But there it is. There are a whole lot of people who have a whole lot of reasons to hate the cross - and they wouldn't be wrong.
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Catherine
Wish I could add 100 votes to your response. This one sums it all.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
OH, you 'own' me do you?
Who saw that coming?
You're adorable.
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Clay Serenbetz
I think baseball can survive the Sisters on one night balanced by Jesus on another night. After all, America stands for freedom, including freedom of expression and equal protection. Let's celebrate our diversity.
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Timothy Newell
I'm with you on that. Simple and to the point.
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Krystina S.
Well, satire has been an important way to evaluate and comment on social consciousness issues since long before Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal or Mel Brook's The Producers. The cruelty inflicted upon people who are marginalized in our society has no equal with the silliness that a powerless minority uses to express itself to the hegemony of SOME of the so-called Christians who make their lives HELL, and have caused their death far too many times. I support the LGBTQ+ community, for though I am straight, I am NOT narrow!(minded.) I decry the so-called Christianity which is cruel, destructive, nihilistic, and unaccepting of any but their narrowminded, UNChristian perspective. Shame on them. Go Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence!
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Rev “D”
Exactly Krystina S. & Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson, well said.
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ServantOfJudgement
They crotch grind the crucifix with Jesus on it. They dry hump each other on the cross. Just an FYI. Don't care if you don't care, just thought you'd like to know what you're supporting....
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
It's really hard to quantify the number of people who have been screwed by the cross throughout history. A LOT.
Honestly, it's hard to imagine a more appropriate response.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
OH! Turns out it's not so hard to quantify after all...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
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Joe
When I was serving in the military, I did not agree with everything they promoted, but I knew that the military was made up of many races, religions, beliefs, different than mines. We used to have “Right Arm Night”, “Bosses Night”, Happy Hour (which was really 4hrs long), and our unit would march us to the club and force us to participate. They had prayer before and after certain events, and no one was allowed to opt out. If you was religious, and had duty on Sundays, you weren’t allowed to attend services. Family was considered a hindrance. There was no going to graduations, birthdays, anniversaries, kids ceremonies, or anything family related. But no one forced me to serve, r to continue to serve for 27yrs. If the players don’t like what MLB is doing, then it’s time they find another job.
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Najah P Tamargo
Minister Najah Tamargo USA
AGAIN with this????? Really???
If the Nuns choose 'humor" to try and bring attention to the diversity crowd and the problems they face....what's the problem? Are they just afraid that one of those players might "come out of the closet?"
I think the problem with the seriously "religious" folks is that can't take a joke!!!! After fall, laughter is the BEST medicine!
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ServantOfJudgement
I think the main complaint is the so-called sisterhood dry humping watch other, a crufix with Jesus on it and using them as stripper poles. One doesn't need to be very old or wise to see the problem.
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Rev “D”
Oh, thats the problem? Wow, here I thought priests raping children, with church officials covering it up was. But apparently the sensitivities of “flesh & blood drinking” christians is such that comedy is a problem. SMH.
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ServantOfJudgement
It's true, some lgbtqia+map priests rape kids. It's true that the leaders covered it up. Just like policemen, teachers, professors, daycare workers, city council members, Apple, Microsoft, united nations human rights leaders, peace corps, Greenpeace, highway patrol, utility workers, Google, fbi, Cia. The president of the United States, dairy farms, illegal aliens on anyone and on and on.
I wonder if exposing children to gay sex could lead them in the same direction as the church you detest. No. That could never happen, not ever. Kids NEVER imitate what they see, not ever.
Capital punishment for child rapists is the solution. Offending 1 billion innocent people is probably not the cleanest way forward. That said, we are dealing with a hive mind so offend away. God will square up with whom he will.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
@ Servy... Post your source.
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ServantOfJudgement
My source for who rapes/molests kids: Any news outlet, pick one
My source for kids imitating what they see: Kids
My source for capital punishment for rape: Holy Bible
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
So you have nothing.
I knew you were going to have that.
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Catherine Andrea Chalfant
Amen, Servant of Judgement, well said. Sin is rampant everywhere, and it's only God who will "square up" with each individual and their choices in the end.
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Lester Stanley Petrie
People who stack their writing have too much time on their hands and too little to do. Best they get a job and have their time and efforts amount to something!
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Joy
Oh but let me guess. These "religious" people who are "offended" most likely grew up with Rocky Horror, The Birdcage, Mrs. Doubtfire, Tootsie...so no. Don't pretend like it's a problem now.
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Rev Ned
Tootsie recently played a run at The Fox in St. Louis Missourah. There was not one news report of anyone who had seen it turning LGBTQ+.
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Rev Mark D
Sort of the sisters end up getting uninvited, or were they invited anyway? What did the team do in the end?
There is only one truth. The one that you all agree to hate.
While yet we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Everyone dies - and they don't have Godhood to look forward to.