The Department of Justice is getting involved in a case out of Virginia which could have wide-reaching implications for transgender use of school locker rooms.
The DOJ is suing the Loudoun County School Board in Loudoun County, Virginia "for its denial of equal protection based on religion," alleging that the school illegally suspended two male students who verbally opposed sharing a locker room with a transgender male student. The school says they were simply following their own guidelines on protecting transgender students by allowing them to use facilities matching their gender identity, but the government says they’re mounting a crusade against Christianity.
The Locker Room Dispute
"Students do not shed their First Amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate," reads the explosive statement released by Assistant Attorney General Harmeet K. Dhillon of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. Loudoun County's decision to advance and promote gender ideology tramples on the rights of religious students who cannot embrace ideas that deny biological reality."
Earlier this year, Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares opened an investigation into an incident where three high school boys were reprimanded after being recorded having a conversation saying they felt “uncomfortable” sharing a locker room with a transgender male student. The transgender student was reportedly “tired of the relentless harassment” when he decided to record the incident.
Who is the Harasser Here?
Two of the boys, both Christians, were suspended for ten days for “sex-based discrimination” after the school board’s Title IX Office determined they harassed the transgender student. The school board dropped their case against the third boy, who is Muslim.
DOJ officials say that calling the boys as harassers could have wide-reaching effects into adulthood. “That type of a label can follow them and prevent them from getting into college, prevent them from getting recommendations, kind of taint their entire lives,” explained Dhillon. “That is outrageous, unsupportable, and we're going to put a stop to it.”
The DOJ lawsuit comes after the Loudoun County School Board voted to reaffirm their policy on transgender bathroom and locker room use, despite earlier orders from the Department of Education to change it. The Department of Education is now threatening to withhold federal funding unless the policy is reversed.
The civil rights division of the Department of Education is also now claiming that the boys may be victims of sexual harassment by the transgender student, and that the school failed to investigate their discomfort "concerning the presence of a member of the opposite sex in male-only intimate spaces.”
Local Case, National Impact
In a case already steeped in political, cultural, and legal tension, both sides insist they’re defending students’ fundamental rights, whether those rights concern religious expression, safety, or the dignity of transgender youth. Supporters of the suspended boys argue the school punished them simply for being Christian and asking earnest questions about why they were sharing a locker room with a transgender student. Yet both the student and school say that the harassment was ongoing and contained threats of violence. They say that allowing hostile comments to go unchecked endangers transgender students and undermines inclusive policies entirely.
And now that the Department of Justice is involved, the case’s outcome could serve as a bellwether for bathroom policies in schools across the nation.
What do you think? Is this a case of religious discrimination, a necessary effort to protect transgender students, or something more complicated altogether? How should schools balance the needs of transgender students and the beliefs of the faithful?
127 comments
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Corrinne Renee Ford
Trans people just wanna be able to exist. Locker rooms as they exist are super messed up to begin with. Like maybe the problem is locker rooms. Plenty of regular cis people get really uncomfortable there, too...because of other regular cis people. Those boys were uncomfortable because they are pumped up with hormones and found themselves attracted to someone who called themselves a "man." Nobody feels threatened that a trans person is doing weird stuff. They think that a cis person is pretending to be trans to be a predator and in that case the problem again is cis men. Look up the statistics on who does the violent crimes. Its cis men,
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Joe R Day
I have read almost all of the comments here and there are facts about physiology that many are either unaware of or are purposely ignoring. All humans do NOT fit in the 'same box' when it comes to genitalia, both external and internal. Here are a few facts to ponder.
Have you ever done a search for 'Number of non-specific-genitalia births in US?'
There were approximately 3.6 million live births in the US last year.
Take 3.6 million, divide by 4600 = 783 NSG births, every year for 20 years,,, That's 15,000 humans.
"The number of births with non-specific or ambiguous genitalia (Disorders of Sexual Development - DSD) in the U.S. varies by definition, but generally falls within 1 in 1,000 to 4,500 live births, with some studies showing higher rates when broader definitions of intersex variations are included (up to 1.7%), though many conditions aren't obvious at birth, and specialist consultation might be needed for about 1 in 2,000 newborns."
"In Simple Terms: While unambiguous ambiguous genitalia cases are relatively rare (around 1 in 4,500), the broader category of intersex traits, where sex development isn't strictly male or female, is far more common, potentially affecting up to 1.7% of the population, with many cases undetected at birth.
1.7% of 3.6 million = 61,000 humans who do NOT present as male or female... I hope these facts shine a bright light on the subject...
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Patrick Conrique
I believe in my heart that the boys are correct in doing what they are doing
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Patricia Ann Gross
So, would you be okay with a Jewish student objecting to having your son in the locker room with him because he still had a foreskin (imagine having a son with a fully intact penis, if you don't have one)? Imagine your daughter being teased and tormented because she has small (or overly large) breasts in a girl's locker room. Are you okay with that? You should be because it's the same thing. How can you possibly justify body shaming any child in a locker room, whether you agree with their religious practices or not? If their religion requires they be separate from others who believe differently, then there are other options, specifically, home-school and parochial school.
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Joe R Day
I have noticed that the 'common thread' in the comments is: "There are only 2 genders at birth... Male with penis and testicles, or female with vagina, clitoris and ovaries". This attitude is the driving force behind the Christian protests about trans-folk...
I wonder if any of them did an online search for 'Non-binary births in the US?" "In the United States, the prevalence of sexual ambiguity is estimated to be about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. This statistic reflects the occurrence of conditions where chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, often referred to as intersex traits."
"In the United States, the prevalence of sexual ambiguity is estimated to be about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. This statistic reflects the occurrence of conditions where chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, often referred to as intersex traits."
WOW! Science says that of the 3.6 million births in 2025, there were 1500 babies born with non-specific sex organs... Even the doctors who were there at the birth, could NOT decide if it was a male or female...
How is it that a person who believes God guides all, not see this as someone to protect and love, since it was delivered from the Creator?
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JaZe
Religion is not necessarily the reason why many people feel uncomfortable with trans, it may well be something more profund.
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Rev. Donut
Good.
Only Biological Boys in boys locker room and bathroom and on boys sports teams
Only Biological Girls in girls locker room and bathroom and on girls sports teams.
That's it.
America, the USA, already has wacked out politicians. America cannot let let 0.009% or what ever the percentage is, rule of America.
Stop it! And get the face tatted, wacko, nose ring and face pierced "teachers" out also.
An not just because snot just drips off the nose ring onto the students.
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Minister Holly B Lovey
I agree.
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Joe R Day
Have you ever done a search for 'Number of non-specific-genitalia births in US?' There were approximately 3.6 million live births in the US last year.
Take 3.6 million, divide by 4600 = 783 NSG births, every year for 20 years,,, That's 15,000 humans.
"The number of births with non-specific or ambiguous genitalia (Disorders of Sexual Development - DSD) in the U.S. varies by definition, but generally falls within 1 in 1,000 to 4,500 live births, with some studies showing higher rates when broader definitions of intersex variations are included (up to 1.7%), though many conditions aren't obvious at birth, and specialist consultation might be needed for about 1 in 2,000 newborns."
"In Simple Terms: While unambiguous ambiguous genitalia cases are relatively rare (around 1 in 4,500), the broader category of intersex traits, where sex development isn't strictly male or female, is far more common, potentially affecting up to 1.7% of the population, with many cases undetected at birth.
1.7% of 3.6 million = 61,000 humans who do NOT present as male or female... I hope these facts shine a bright light on the subject...
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Stacey Ian Roger Foster
Other option. Rename the locker rooms not male /female but people with virgina and people with penis.
Then its not about what you identify with
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Minister Rob
the thing I see is that the Muslim boy was NOT punished and he was doing the same thing as the Christian boys?!?!?! Why was he treated differently?!?! Was it because he a Muslim? Things that make you go Hmmmmm.
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Patricia Ann Gross
He was treated differently because he was Muslim, when the other boys were simply playing the "Christian" card to get out of punishment. I'm guessing that there is a more strict Muslim code he could claim that was solid. The Christian boys likely couldn't state any scripture or doctrinal code that would be a compelling argument. "My [youth] pastor says ..." wouldn't work..
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Joe R Day
Really? A trans student, having to endure harassment and bullying, decided to record the egregious (extremely bad in a way that is very noticeable) and unlawful behavior from 2 fellow students... This is an example of how thousands of students endure hate/anger directed at them every day... Most are not 'Trans' but anything and anyone who do not 'blend in' are subject to ridicule, being shoved in the hallway and having their lunch tray dumped on the floor... This is never about 'Religion'... It IS always about unacceptable behavior from bullies and the destruction of mental health of those targeted... I was subjected to all-of-the-above behaviors from 4 'classmates' and their terrible actions against someone (me). It took me years of counseling and self-reflection to rid myself of the stigma (the negative social attitude attached to a characteristic of an individual that may be regarded as a mental, physical, or social deficiency) that I was the subject of... I hope that Justice is Served to the twits who were using their religion to disguise their bullying actions,,, (Justice: 'is the process or result of using laws to fairly judge cases, redress wrongs, and punish crimes'...
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Daniel Todd Kamm
I agree to some extent with Teresa here... I have worked in schools for many many years, retiring this year thank you very much!
It's an awful line that schools must walk these days... so now there has to be a conclave and a new sacrament approved by the Department of Justice for smelly high school boys' locker rooms?
The DOJ is dead wrong in this case, and in its current state of emotional, behavioral and political dis-regulation, it is championing the validity of one child over another using religion as the grease for it's already squeaky machine... and it's squeaky chief administrator.
this case has nothing to do with religion.
There are those who are always whining about their rights and how they are so put up on... regardless of the back story.
Every school should be a level playing field for all of its kids ... especially when using the public dollars. I will include charter schools in that since so many charters think they can take the public dollars, renig (after their per student funds are received in November) send the kids back to public, and keep the money until the following school year.
They call that "success." I agree with the "succ" part.
And for the more conservative and christian of these charters who are sucking the life out of public schools, I say "mighty white of ya...!"
"But," as Sophia, the great sage of the Golden Girls often said on prime time: "I digress."
For most legitimate places of learning, there is a code of conduct that protects all students. There is this thing called a "Code of Conduct Handbook," and usually parents are required to sign off on a statement acknowledging they have received and they understand the rules, expectations and routines of the school their child is attending.
So some boys have a problem with sharing a locker. Or maybe it was a locker room.
It might cut down on the nasty things boys say and do in locker rooms: talking about girls privates while slapping guys butts, but hey...we all make sacrifices for the greater good, eh?
So...where is the religion here? Simply claiming to be observant of this, that, or the other, is no defense in the court of law when there has been a violation (violations being so deeply seeded in the length and breadth of what is socially acceptable) and one chooses to fall back on religion as a last resort.
As it's been said... religion, like patriotism, is the refuge of "scoundrels."
But the scoundrels here are not the kids, the parents or the school or district administrators.
It's the hot to trot without a condom DOJ: already claiming harm, to wit this cut and paste from the intro:
DOJ officials say that calling the boys as harassers could have wide-reaching effects into adulthood. “That type of a label can follow them and prevent them from getting into college, prevent them from getting recommendations, kind of taint their entire lives,” explained Dhillon. “That is outrageous, unsupportable, and we're going to put a stop to it.”
The DOJ lawsuit comes after the Loudoun County School Board voted to reaffirm their policy on transgender bathroom and locker room use, despite earlier orders from the Department of Education to change it. The Department of Education is now threatening to withhold federal funding unless the policy is reversed.
The civil rights division of the Department of Education is also now claiming that the boys may be victims of sexual harassment by the transgender student, and that the school failed to investigate their discomfort "concerning the presence of a member of the opposite sex in male-only intimate spaces.”
Local Case, National Impact In a case already steeped in political, cultural, and legal tension, both sides insist they’re defending students’ fundamental rights, whether those rights concern religious expression, safety, or the dignity of transgender youth. Supporters of the suspended boys argue the school punished them simply for being Christian and asking earnest questions about why they were sharing a locker room with a transgender student. Yet both the student and school say that the harassment was ongoing and contained threats of violence. They say that allowing hostile comments to go unchecked endangers transgender students and undermines inclusive policies entirely.
And now that the Department of Justice is involved, the case’s outcome could serve as a bellwether for bathroom policies in schools across the nation.
In my school we have 2 boys only bathrooms and 2 girls only bathrooms: the gym and the larger public bathrooms; all of our other bathrooms are designated staff or students and assigned by classroom ... because there are bigger issues, like who made the mess or who broke the toilet, etc.
Another false issue for a DOJ without a "D."
I wish you a blessed and positive... and now I'm going to light the Hanukkah lights for this 4th night....
Peace out.... tk
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Joe R Day
Well reasoned. May your holiday be bright!
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Linda L Noel-Duquesnel
After reading the comments, I stand by my act of walking away from the Catholic/Christian faith. There is just too much hate for anyone or anything that is different from what they believe is the only truth. First, the female should never have video recorded that in this private area. If he/she was being bullied, record it outside of this private area or just voice record it. Second, the DOJ is only jumping in on this because it furthers their agenda of wiping out a percentage of people that have no real bearing on their lives and/or beliefs. We are not all the same. We all have different beliefs. The DOJ is following the regime that we should all be the same. If the Christians would only remember that their Jesus fought for EVERYONE, not just those of his race or beliefs, then this world would be a lot more peaceful. Third, if "God" doesn't make mistakes, then how can you say people who feel they are different from the "biological sex" they were born with are wrong. Didn't they get these "feelings" from your "God?" The adults of this world need to do better instead of pushing their own beliefs and agendas on the younger generation, those of whom are at a vulnerable time in their lives learning who they are. Guiding them on their path of free thought and speech instead of forcing them to believe what we want them to believe seems, to me, to be a more logical path. In conclusion, it seems to me that these two young men are using their religious beliefs to avoid being held accountable for their bullying behavior. Simple.
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Debra Ann Prestia
Please people this is a new world. Who are we to judge , God does not judge and if you don't like what you please don't look.
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Clara Ries
First off, regarding what God made us: There are several human sex chromosome variations beyond typical XX (female) and XY (male), including XO (Turner Syndrome), XXY (Klinefelter Syndrome), XXX (Triple X), XYY, and rarer forms like XXXY, XXYY, and XXXXY, plus complex variations like XX with a Y fragment (XX-SRY) or XY with androgen insensitivity (XY-CAIS). We are NOT all XX and XY. This is normal, it biology, and it is part of creation.
Then there is the idea that we should be grouped or separated by sex. Why? To maintain patriarchy? If I have a F or a M or a X on my driver's license, does it matter? We have had the option in Minnesota for years, and I can tell you it doesn't.
And gender separated spaces, why? Most of the world has private bathroom stalls with communal wash areas. Why don't we? The locker room at the university I teach at is gender friendly and has little stalls with a curtain you can close while changing. Seems to work fine for thousands of students.
We are the people god made us, physically, mentally, and spiritually. We are not neat boxes that we should be divided by.
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Joanna McClelland
Thank you Clara for making it clear that genetics is the cause here not mental illness. There is gender dysphoria but that is a totally different topic. What I have been reading thus far has been pretty hateful. I thought we were all ministers. Aren't we all, transgenders included spiritual beings. Shouldn't we start viewing problems from that point of view first. It is too bad the issue became federal, especially with this administration, which is anti-trans. You are right to point out patriarchy too, which is grounded from our Puritanical beginnings. Sex is on a spectrum not on the binary and has been world over. With colonization out from Europe bringing Christianity and its views on sexual behavior, sexual practices of brown and black people were destroyed, made sinful, crushed. We need to look at our history and study the Two-spirit people of Indigenous tribes and others where the concept of sexual roles was fluid and not binary. I wish every one a Merry Christmas, and Hannukah
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Cameron Rene Ramirez
This is just political bigotry disguised as religious indignation. Those boys should be able to change in private dressing rooms to accommodate their view of Christian scripture. It seems like they are picking and choosing when to apply scripture. Obviously they are ignoring Christ saying to pluck out your eye if it causes you to sin. Why are we still making children undress with strangers. There should be individual dressing rooms for all students, but till then those boys should change in a separate a room so they don’t have to change with someone everyone else doesn’t mind sharing a room with. According to Paul the Christian is supposed to separate themselves from the situation not force the others to conform to their beliefs.
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Tom Herman
Seriously, a separate room for each student? School not only teaches the three R's but also appropriate socialization skills. Granted, there are not easy answers to these social issues. Ignoring them doesn't work but neither does extremes.
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Teresa M Vespa
First, I am a gay woman. And I try daily to better myself when in comes to Transgender identification. Back in my earlier days we didn't really see this in schools. It was more about "sexual preference" not "identity". Im going to give my honest opinion and I have no right to judge anyone so I am only basing it on my "opinion". If someone has gone through gender change surgery and now has the same body parts as the others in a bathroom or locker room than I would consider this situation "Bullying". BUT, if this is a female with "female anatomy" in a male locker room/bathroom then NO, I feel it is inappropriate. Young people go through a lot of changes in their lives. Some start with one feeling or belief and then change their course later in life while some follow their course throughout their lives. Christian, Non-Christian it doesn't matter. For the comfort & safety of ALL involved a separate bathroom/locker room should be provided. It will STOP the majority of situations like this from happening. Schools can do better if they really want to help these young people.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Teresa,
I would agree with you. However, learning how to navigate the "restroom" issue is a tight-rope walk, especially once hormone therapy has started. This can be particularly troubling for someone going through puberty. A friend of mine had trouble once he started getting facial hair after testosterone therapy was started, so we went into the mens room with him, put him in a stall one time, and after that, he was comfortable going on his own. He has never had an issue because he was always able to "do his business" in private, and had a husky "male" build and voice plus facial hair. Since that time he has had his top surgery, but not the bottom, and still has never had a problem. I suspect he would have a problem in a locker room, however, unless it was all gay men. I have had plenty of the body shaming and issues with misgendering, because I have a male build, including a small bust size, even though I identify as cis- (and biological) female and straight, so I understand a lot of the nuances that may get lost on others.
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Elizabeth Diane Young
This is a tough issue and I can only hope/pray that God/or higher power gives me the right direction in this matter. I believe that both sides have a right to their beliefs and that, therefore, a compromise that satisfies both sides should be arrived. One possibility would be the use of a third room/non-gender for anyone who wishes to use it.
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John Robert Peters
This is a fair idea and has been used elsewhere particularly w rest rooms that come in 3s or simply multimeter selections. That too has been attacked by this administration and Christian groups.
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Tom Herman
A third room could be an alternative but the school cannot be expected to endure financial hardship to make such accommodations. There are no easy answers to these questions. I am interested in what the courts may say.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Why not? They are expected to endure the "financial hardship" for other accommodations for physical and cognitive issues, so what's wrong with installing privacy barriers in the existing locker rooms (stalls and curtains for the showers, for example) or a third locker room? Even amonghst the same sex, not all are comfortable parading around naked. It causes body shaming for those who are slow to develop or later to achieve puberty. I had a friend who had trouble with a locker room because he had a badly scarred back from a car accident, so allowing some to change in private benefits more than the trans-kids.
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Melinda Chadwick
It is interesting that a person's gender is determined by their body parts they are born with. A person's sense of self has nothing to do with gender or sex. When a woman gets a hysterectomy, she is no longer a woman as she can no longer produce children, and should not be allowed in a women's locker room. The same if a man should he lose his stuff due to cancer treatment. I suppose that souls because they no longer have a body after demise are also pushed to this limbo land because a person is defined only by body parts, what they have and don't have. I wonder what we call this limbo land of no sex or gender, is there no locker room for these ?
No disrespect is intended.
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JaZe
I disagree. A hyster does not turn a woman into a non woman, the rest of her is there physically, emotionally, mentally. Never heard any female tell another female that now she s had a hyster she s no longer a woman! she would be laughed at for such a comment.
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Lloyd Douglas Peterson
Transgenderism is a mental illness (psychosis). We should be helping these children, not promoting their mental illness. People are not 'born that way.' It is the environment that shaped their behavior. It is the environment (inclusive of mental health care) that can reshape their behavior.
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Michael Hunt
Well, scientists who have devoted their lives to understanding "transgenderism" would strongly disagree with you...
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Sir Lionheart
Those scientists have more than likely been infected by the “Woke Virus”. It’s a very difficult strain to cure. It tends to affect the ability to think straight, and it can often lead to the need to have septum rings installed, die hair pink, blue or violet, and can lead to random acts of shouting and screaming uncontrollably when confronted with someone that’s not been infected. Some are so badly infected they insist on identifying as pups and pony’s.
It’s fairly easy to spot those that have been in contact with those who are afflicted, they tend to start supporting them, and then before long they start insisting there are like 80 genders. It’s crazy, right?
Anyway, good look with spotting them and try as best you can to stay away from them. I’d hate you to catch it. I don’t think there is a cure. 🤗
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Michael Hunt
Blaming everything on the mythical "woke virus" is tiresome and boring at this point, LH. Transgender studies have occurred for more than 100 years, way before "woke" was a thing. Instead of accusing scientists of being "woke," find some credible scientific study that supports your belief.
In reality, scientific study contradicts your beliefs and you're choosing to deny and be defensive because you can't seem accept being wrong.
Instead, you revert to attempts to attack those who have opposing beliefs by trying to ridicule their appearance and pushing silly stereotypes.
You can't criticize your opponent's positions in good faith so you revert to ad hominem fallacies and move the goal posts.
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Sir Lionheart
Thank you for your opinion. Here’s a typical case of a woke man, Mr Bailey, that wants to pretend he’s a woman, bless him. He was obviously very troubled, as many of them are, if not all of them. His mental illness may have been a huge factor that contributed to him murdering his parents. Do you see this as an ad hominem attack or fallacy of mine? I’m just presenting facts. You are totally at liberty to disagree.
Bailey has now been diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, psychosis, possible bipolar disorder with psychosis, and schizophrenia. I’m sure the woke community, and those scientists, saw him as being totally normal, and now must be back pedaling with their opinion of him. Yes it’s an extreme case, but in reality….is it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15404299/mia-bailey-utah-murdered-parents-transgender-islam.html
It’s looking as though you might be one of those infected with the virus. Defending radical strange behaviors like these is one of the first symptoms, but I genuinely hope not for your sake. Be well my friend and have a wonderful festive season. 🤗
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Echo
Thank you for your opinion, however demented and deranged it is. WOKE VIRUS, such a laughable non-medical or psychological diagnosis from people with less than 100 IQ trying to sound smart. I will leave facts and data to scientists, doctors and psychologists.
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Sir Lionheart
Of course you will, and there is your problem. Would it surprise you to know that I am also a scientist with a different opinion than some woke scientists, and so you will no doubt now find some other statement to support your narrative.
TDS, yet another virus, isn’t currently a recognized syndrome but it seems many are afflicted by it. A common symptom of those with TDS is pretending they don’t have it and yet can’t stand anything our President does and will try to find fault with him even when things are going well. Do you recognize that symptom?
Thank you for your comment. Have a wonderful festive season and enjoy the next 3 years.
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Michael Hunt
TDS isn't a virus, it's a way to dehumanize dissenters and avoid engaging with the criticism they present.
"Weaponising psychiatric language to polarise public opinion doesn't merely deepen disagreement; it signals that opponents are irrational, dangerous, or socially and politically defective. It legitimises hostility, dehumanisation and even aggression."
https://theloop.ecpr.eu/trump-derangement-syndrome-a-genuine-mental-illness/
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Michael Hunt
This isn't my opinion I'm stating, it's well researched facts. I'm reading and sharing objective facts, not going based on how I feel, unlike you.
Cisgender people also struggle with mental health issues. Being transgender wasn't the mental health issue in Miss Bailey's case, it was the other issues you listed. I highly doubt scientists are "back pedaling" their opinion since, again, she didn't kill her parents because she was transgender, but because she had legitimate mental health issues.
You are again attacking transgender people with your example, suggesting being transgender is a mental health condition that causes people to murder their family. You are not engaging in good faith. You are cherry picking stories and spinning facts to support your opinions.
I'm not infected with any mind virus. I just have the capability to think critically and do research. You, on the other hand, are so entrenched in your beliefs that the truth could slap you across the face and you'd still ignore it. I'm continuing to grow my knowledge, you're shoving your head in the sand.
I'm sure you'll have a happy holiday since they say ignorance is bliss.
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Sir Lionheart
Mr Bailey is sorely a very troubled individual. It will be very interesting to follow his reasoning behind taking the life of his parents. Gender dysphoria is a common problem for people like Mr Bailey.
Thank you for saying you have the capability to think critically and do research. Perhaps then, you will consider this information from a well renowned psychiatrist.
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/results/directory/profile/0003340/paul-mchugh) and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that “transgenderism is a "mental disorder" that merits treatment, that sex change is "biologically impossible," and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.”
Will your woke virus now kick in to try and find some sort of rebuttal because this statement by a psychiatrist doesn’t support your narrative? I strongly suspect it will, which will prove my point. People with the woke virus like to think they have critical thought, but in reality they have a closed mind.
I still wish you a happy festive season and will not resort to comments like those in your last two paragraphs, which is obviously driven by deep emotional issues. I genuinely wish you well.
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Michael Hunt
So if I provide a well-reasoned, factual rebuttal of why Dr. McHugh shouldn't be a credible source, I have a "woke virus," or I have to accept that one single psychiatrist is more authoritative than hundreds that say otherwise? My choices are to accept your opinion, or be dismissed for having a critical response? That's not how we have good-faith discussions or debates.
Having now read some of Dr. McHugh's articles as well as reading critiques of him, I do question his credibility on the subject of transgender studies. It doesn't seem as though he's done any work researching and studying transgender people, so he appears to lack authority on the subject.
The Human Rights Campaign wrote a response to an Amicus Brief of Dr. McHugh, which had argued against a transgender student using the bathroom that aligned with their gender, that seems much more well researched and credibly sourced (35 of them to be exact) than Dr. McHugh's brief. It's conclusion is quite scathing.
"Simply being a medical doctor or researcher does not make someone an authority on transgender children. In the United States alone, dozens of experts have dedicated their careers to the health of transgender children and adolescents, drawing on clinical experience and a growing body of evidence to guide children and families. In contrast, Paul McHugh and his coauthors boast a total of zero peer-reviewed research articles on transgender people of any age. It is not clear that they have so much as met a transgender child.
"Neither do the brief’s authors back their outdated, misleading and often false claims with references to legitimate research. Instead, they promote the thoroughly rejected practice of conversion therapy without citing a single study on its risks or so-called benefits—yet ignore or criticize actual research on the mental health benefits of affirming care. In another sign of their inexperience, McHugh and his coauthors gloss over the critical distinction between teenagers like Gavin Grimm and younger transgender children, unable to name a single gender identity expert who promotes conversion therapy for transgender teens. Finally, the authors completely ignore all studies on the Grimm case’s actual subject: policies and practices that either affirm or stigmatize transgender students and community members. This research consistently supports the fact that stigmatizing anti-transgender policies, like the one Gavin endured at his school, very likely cause mental health problems and even suicide attempts. In contrast, transgender children and youth whose communities support them are far more likely to grow up safe, happy and healthy."
https://share.google/FoLk1Idw8SpA8teYw
Please don't try and diagnose me with "deep emotional issues" when you're not a psychiatrist and you're not treating me as a patient. Pointing out your hypocrisy, ignorance, and stubbornness is not a sign of "deep emotional issues."
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Sir Lionheart
There you go! Do you see what I mean? You researched, and came up with what I expected you to come up with. I know it’s very difficult to accept the condition, and that’s totally okay. You are obviously not on your own. Many who voted for Kamala have that very same issue. Fortunately, the majority of the electorate thought very differently, especially with regards to the woeful last administration, hence the reason we are well on the way to making America great once again.
Again, have a wonderful festive season and try to put any negative thoughts behind you as best you can, I honestly think you’ll feel much better for it.
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Rev. BH
Lloyd, maybe a little shock therapy?
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Joseph J. Petersen
Let’s just start adding a third locker room for those who don’t have a clue about who and what they are.
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Bradley wayne King
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Amber Victor
Yes, the students should be assigned the gender correct locker room based on which gender they identify with.
It doesn't matter what your personal or religious belief system is.
The Trans community is an integrated and productive demographic in mainstream society.
Ignorance allowed in schools will only assure the students will not be accepted themselves when they attempt to join the real world.
They will be the individuals pushed aside from the mainstream with all the other discriminatory groups and individuals.
Best case they will find themselves uncomfortable and have difficulty navigating past the ignorance they have been allowed to simmer in and express.
The school has a job besides teaching general education it is to provide an environment that prepares the students to function in society outside the highschool bubble.
The students should be benefiting from exposure to different types of people.
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Roy S. Thorpe
One hundred years ago when I went to school being perceived "different " in any shape or form drew the bullies and harassment! Looks like the laws created to stop that haven't changed anything! So being "woke" hasn't helped either! So not coming out might be better course at till after graduation! Just a thought!
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Steven Ferrell
First off the female never should have been in the male locker room. She should have been in the female locker room. Call her male all you want, but it is still a female.
Second, it is discrimination against Christians when they did not give the same treatment to the muslim student who also opposed the female in the male locker room.
To force other students to submit to trans, is saying that those students do not have rights. That trans make all the rules and to heck with everyone else.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Steven,
You are forgetting one thing. It's the trans-kids that were bullied, which is most likely against school policy, and the PE Teacher/coach probably encouraged it. The bullies are trying to claim a "get out of jail/punishmet" card because they are Christian.
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LORD RICHARD WELCH
I am with the students. We have to tolerate the Liberal Left ideologies but they have NO RIGHT to make others conform to their hurt feelings.
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Tami Tabone
So I see many layers in this topic. I must admit there is so much bullying here. From grown ups as well as kids. So if the adults are unkind and unacceptable of the Trans community, why would the kids be. The adults set the example. Now on another note, I can understand the n9ys being uncomfortable changing in a locker room with trans boys ir the girls with Trans g8rls. I get that and it is legit. However, we all have been changing in front of gay folks and Trans folks for centuries. And so because we didn't know then and now we do, their is an issue. So where does the Trans population go? They are part of the community and they also have rights.
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Harvey Jay Friedman
There is no such thing as as “transgender”. Until someone finds a way to change DNA, you are the sex you are born as. Changing one’s exterior appearance does not change the sex.
You can put a tuxedo on a goat, but it’s still a goat.
Just because a person THINKS or FEELS they are a different sex, doesn’t make it so. Neither does elective surgery.
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Tami Tabone
Are we really here to Judge whether other people are making mistakes. How a person feels about their identity is not, in my opinion, a mistake. I leave the judging to God, if in fact that is what God does. My vision of God is that God does not play favorites and loves all equally. We are here, in this life to gather experiences and knowledge. We are caretakers of the earth because we are an intelligent species. We should know better and because of our potential, we carry a responsibility to act with kindness, not judgement. Not finger pointing. So this particular issue is a conflict we must solve. I understand and believe kids have a legit reason to be uncomfortable. But on the other hand, we have been changing in lovjerooms with guys, ledbisns, and Trans folks for centuries. We just weren't aware. Now that we know, we have an issue with it.
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
And your opinion doesn't change the lived experience of another person. Also, no trans person believes they can change their DNA. I'm a nonbinary man and I wear feminine clothes, use feminine products, and do anything feminine whenever I want. I express myself how I see fit. Even if I did identify as a trans woman you couldn't say anything to me that would matter because your opinion is just that. My existence doesn't impact you at all. My gender expression doesn't harm you. You have no place to tell someone they aren't who they say they are. Trans people aren't harming anyone, especially considering they make up less than 1% of the population. They are not a detriment to anyone's existence. Sex and gender are different. Sex is biology, gender is social.
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Harvey Jay Friedman
I agree wholeheartedly. You can be and present yourself as you wish. The question here is, does feeling and dressing as a female give you legal or moral license to use a public female facility? Be it a restroom, a locker room or dressing room. Should a little girl in such a facility be subjected to accidentally seeing your male genitals?
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Ari Joseph Bertine
If your religious beliefs include infringing on the rights of other citizens, that's a problem. If your religion revered pickpocketing, would you expect the law to make exceptions for your theft because it was your religious belief that it was okay?
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Willie L Johnson
IF YOU ARE BORN WITH A PENIS YOU ARE A MALE. IF YOU ARE BORN WITH A VIGINA YOU ARE A FEMALE & YOU SHOULD HAVE TO USE THE BATHROOM OR LOCKER ROOM THAT MATCHES YOU BORN SEX.
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K. Davis
What you’re born with both? Or neither? What if you’re intersex? Do you just have to go in your pants every time you need to use the restroom in public? Are you forced to be stinky and sweaty after a work out? I don’t think you thought this through, Willie Johnson.
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Anthony Victor Barbiero
Simple question: What would Jesus have done if he were one of the two male "Christian" students? Rev Anthony V. Barbiero
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Joseph Grieco
If the school has a code of conduct that required the parents and students to agree to as a condition of attendance, that means they are accepting the rules. Where things get shaky is there are numerous laws that conflict with each other. That only two students have declared a "religious objection" may not carry as much weight, especially if there were other school options. The real problem is too many of these so-called "Christians" insist on playing the victim for their fifteen minutes of fame. True Christian charity would have had these two welcoming the transgendered person. Sadly, their church apparently ignores the teachings of Christ.
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Paul Andrew Breda
Further to your point: let's say the two boys are incapable of true Christian charity and tolerance (as they clearly are), if the purpose of a locker room is to change clothes, or even shower after phys-ed, how are they being prevented from doing so? They are not being asked to do anything other than what you do in a locker room, and if they want to claim that they are uncomfortable changing in front of this student, are they not able to move away from him? Exactly what is the "right" they claim is being violated?
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Father Flanagan
First off they are being forced to change in front of “HER” not him, there is no such thing as a “transgender male or female” as you cannot change your gender period. Secondly, the Christian boys were discriminated against when the muslim boy was not given the same punishment as the Christian boys. It didn’t happen to you or your children so your “opinion” isn’t valid anyway, it’s like being forced to carry your rapist’s child - until it happens to you or yours you wanna have a virtue signaling opinion!
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Patricia Ann Gross
Father Flanagan,
Please read the comment above by Clara Ries, where she explains why your characterization of a gender binary is misguided at best. Biology is not as simple as two boxes, there are at least a dozen where gender is concerned. Actually there aren't boxes, but rivers flowing between lakes.
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Stacey Ian Roger Foster
It is a hard situation, as a teenage boy i wouldn't want to change or shower infront of a biological girl, after sport we were all made to shower in a open showerroom and there was no privacy. It would have been embarrassing. Also i would say for the female boy it cant be good for hèr to be naked infront of the rest of the boys because if we are honest she may feel like a boy but physically she isnt and boys at that age will be looking at him/her differently than the rest of their classmates. As this is an imperfect world i think the school is being unrealistic and irresponsible in allowing her/him to use the male locker room. They should also consider the higher risks of sexuell misconduct.
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Nigel Robert Maddocks
No-one has a right to not feel uncomfortable. The genetic boys should just man up. There's more challenging things in life. The girls' locker room is a different issue due to safety considerations. I do wonder why the Muslim boy was treated differently.
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Rev Ned
I’ll bet they’re scared of 🌈s on stuff too. Evangelicals are such scaredy cats.
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Pamela Kay Waters
These people that think it's ok to undo what God has done are something else. Do you all think that God has made you a mistake? Well wake up, He doesn't make mistakes you make your own mistakes and should have to live with the consequences.
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Michael Hunt
What if God made them transgender and gave them these feelings? What evidence do you have to show that he didn't do that?
We have to realize as well that the Bible was written by men who claimed to be divinely inspired and, while God might not make mistakes, men do, and it's entirely possible that they've distorted God's word in a way that demonizes transgender persons, even though it's completely possible that's how God made them.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Michael,
Thank you for your remark. I have a dear transgender friend of mine, who was once lamenting that God had made a horrible mistake when he was made female. I told him, I didn't believe that God made a mistake, and God made him transgender. Now the person is an out-and proud transgender and a voice for the local transgender community.
He has used the men's room in public bathrooms for more than 15 years, even though he hasn't had any genital surgery, and just slips into the stalls.
I agree that there is a different atmosphere in a locker room, and not sure (aside from stalled and curtained showers or separate unisex facilities) what the answer is to that problem.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
So if a child is born with his heart on the outside of his torso, he should just have to live with that until it kills him? When someone is born with a cleft palate, they should just have to live with that even if it makes it incredibly difficult for them to eat or speak? If someone is born deaf, they shouldn't get cochlear implants? Jesus healed a man who was born blind. Did he say that his father had made a mistake? No. Did he say that the man should just live that way? No. He just healed him. It's very possible that the reason that man was born blind was so that he could be healed by Jesus later, and so that other people could learn from Jesus's example how they are to treat others. And it's very possible that transgender people are born with a different brain structure that is only healed by transitioning so that people can learn to stop reacting like animals when confronted by something that is different from what they know, and learn to treat their fellow humans with compassion. I would bet a lot of people hope that is not the case, though, because they know how badly they would be failing that lesson.
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Tami Tabone
Are we really here to Judge whether other people are making mistakes. How a person feels about their identity is not, in my opinion, a mistake. I leave the judging to God, if in fact that is what God does. My vision of God is that God does not play favorites and loves all equally. We are here, in this life to gather experiences and knowledge. We are caretakers of the earth because we are an intelligent species. We should know better and because of our potential, we carry a responsibility to act with kindness, not judgement. Not finger pointing. So this particular issue is a conflict we must solve. I understand and believe kids have a legit reason to be uncomfortable. But on the other hand, we have been changing in lovjerooms with guys, ledbisns, and Trans folks for centuries. We just weren't aware. Now that we know, we have an issue with it.
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Lynnea Urania Kaylor
Of course the DOJ will take a course like this because it categorically denies that any variations of sex or gender exist anywhere in humanity. It claims to "support" science while at the same time denying scientific fact about intersex variations (here's a list: https://isna.org/faq/frequency/) and other easily observable variations in the perceptions of gender in humanity. It's what they do and that's what voters wanted. How often do voters care about justice over pocketbooks? It isn't how they typically vote. At the same time, I've never considered inclusion of pre-operative trans people or anyone with ambiguous genitalia in sex-segregated spaces to be a good idea in American culture. In my own experience, there was never a day without harassment in school over perceptions of my gender regardless of who did the perceiving. Would conditions for me have been any different with a different locker room? I don't believe it would. After all, many youth love to attack those they think to be vulnerable so that they think they put themselves in a better social light. They will also attack anyone who befriends the victim. Worse yet, administrators will typically be inclined to ignore and even blame the victims for the violence perpetrated upon them because it's convenient. Some even exalt the attackers. It doesn't matter whether they may be boys or girls. Meanness abounds regardless. Throughout school, I never used a rest room because I didn't consider it safe. I didn't eat. I didn't drink. I did only what was required of me till dismissed for the day. That's life. As far as games were concerned, nobody ever explained them to me. I still see them as vain and ridiculous, doing more to foster arrogance than any kind of cooperation. American sports culture still bores me many decades later with its hype over what's forgotten the following year. To me, nothing deserves great adulation if it doesn't endure; and some of what endures, like human meanness and bigotry, doesn't deserve adulation because of its perpetration of injustice. Since the administrators in this article sided with the transgender victim, all I can say is, "Nice try and good luck. I hope you keep your jobs."
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Pamela Kay Waters
So are you one of those that think God put you in the wrong body?
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Lynnea Urania Kaylor
My body is just fine. What's wrong is the impositions of perceptions of weakness. Shibboleths like this question are only designed to divide people, impose injustices, and never intended to help anyone but one's own ego. I invite you to see a genuine therapist so you can deal with your hate.
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Vanessa S Cornier
@ Lynnea Urania Kaylo I read your full post and I felt the pain of your life as a teen/child in your words… I apologize for any person that was mean to you then or ever. Your words here are powerful and I thank you for them. I have a question regarding the last line. Do you believe that the educators will just be disposed of for upholding the rights of the student that was being abused/bullied by the others? I just felt a big turn in the feeling of your words and would love to understand your meaning.
@everyonethatreadsthis, my questions would be to you, are you a minister through this church as I am? What was the reason for choosing this multi-denominational church to become ordained through? Do you believe that this article regarding the situation was biased or unbiased? These answers will help understand something, because I chose this church because ‘multi-denominational’ sounded to me like the people who also chose this church were also completely all-inclusive and accepting as this church is by accepting all religions and spiritual paths. However, there is an energy of separation through some of these comments and article that doesn’t quite fit into that philosophy. Therefore, my last question to anyone with a similar thought, They didn’t say in the article if the transgender child was of any religious or spiritual belief. Shouldn’t we question the article and its factual aspects rather than lean into the emotional propaganda?? As a person, as a mentor, as a minister/pastor; shouldn’t we be discerning in what we believe?? Just some thoughts…
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Lynnea Urania Kaylor
I applaud any administrator who attempts to dispense justice by taking action against bullies. In my experience, they're the exception and not the rule. From what I know in life, suffering is inevitable and anyone who does the right thing can run the risk of retaliation for doing so. It's a fact of life. In this case, since it has gone to court, the final word on the matter isn't determined. If the administrator loses, the same will probably get sacked and may even get sacked before a verdict comes in. Hiring managers are bad about this because their chief interest is to defend the institution that hires them, not in any employee. In this case, the institution is the school district. They will act to try to put the district in what they perceive to be the most favorable light in their community regardless of whether actions were right or wrong. Again, it's entirely a matter of actions based upon perceptions, not only of ethics, but of politics and perceptions of gender whether well-founded or not.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
If, and when, most educated people acknowledge that Nature and God are one and the same thing, ergo, misogyny, homophobia, fear of science, prejudice, racism, and the like, are all “manmade” — then it might be increasingly possible to make the universal acceptance of the use of birth control a reality, so that humanity has the real possibility of saving itself, from itself.
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Pamela Kay Waters
I think that the generations that are coming up are not able to be saved. The harm has been done. They are lost and lost themselves. They don't know who they are.
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Tami Tabone
Who are we to judge who will or will not be "saved". As you put it. If God judges (which the God i have faith in foes not), let God be the judge. just because folks are becoming more comfortable being who they are and making it known, and if it doesn't harm others. Let them be. I agree this topic needs to be addressed, because I do get that kids might be uncomfortable. But like I said in other posts, gays, lesbians, and Trans folks have been changing in lockerooms for years and because we didn't know, there was no problem. Now that we know, we have issues with it.
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Vanessa S Cornier
@Bishop Dusenberry beautifully stated
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Pamela Kay Waters
They need to use the locker and bathrooms for the sex they were born with. Boys-Boys,,,,Girls-Girls. No special help for the ones that don't think they are the sex they are born as. Same goes for the idiots that think they are cats and want litter boxes in the bathrooms. WTH.
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
The whole cats and litter boxes thing is a total fabrication, and the fact that people like you are still trying to use that debunked claim to support your view is even more ridiculous. Also, stop telling people how to identify. It's none of your business if someone does or doesn't identify with their assigned sex at birth. Gender expression is totally different. Go cry about something that's actually harming people, not a minority group that makes up less than 1% of the human population.
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Robert J Giammarco
Totally disagree with your comment that there are NO litter boxes in schools and that it's a FABRICATION. NOT TRUE!
My nephew has experienced that in his own school. To say it's not, is YOU denying the reality of what these kids are doing, as well as the parents contributing to their Childs sickness, rather than seeking psychiatric help, which they need. These kids, and parents alike, THINK it's cute. They are just enabling their Childs psychosis. It's sad. IMHO.
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Michael Hunt
What school has this occurred in? I've looked into a lot of these claims of litter boxes in schools and I haven't found one to be credible. They've all been rumors or jokes from what I've found.
If schools are actually giving kids litter boxes, that's absolutely wild and ridiculous and I absolutely laugh at them for allowing that.
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Robert J Giammarco
Well Micheal, its totally true. You and others continue to believe in the MSM, which never tell the truth!
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Michael Hunt
If it's totally true, surely you can provide some evidence of this happening. Anytime I try to find proof of that happening, local news stations report that the claims are false. If you're considering local news as MSM, you're not living in reality. I have plenty of issues with the mainstream news media, but claiming they never tell the truth is absurd.
Where do you get your information from since you don't trust the MSM? I'd be very curious to know.
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Robert J Giammarco
Again, MICHAEL, who claims the last word. Just because you can't find anything, YOU feel it's not true. I said it was a school my nephew attended. Yet, YOU need confirmation because it was something YOU needed to validate. You're in a different world. No need to continue with your rhetoric. If someone like me disagrees, your blood boils. So calm down, and have a nice day...
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Michael Hunt
How are you going to regulate that? Are you going to have someone verify the person's genitalia before they enter the bathroom? Would you be comfortable with a transman, who by all accounts looks like a man with facial hair and all, using the women's bathroom? How would you know they are transgender and not a cisgender male?
Also, there are no kids who seriously identify as cats and want litter boxes in bathrooms. That's a total hoax being spread to further demonize the transgender community.
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Vanessa S Cornier
@MichaelHunt thank you for this educated response.
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Tami Tabone
I have yet to see any litter boxes in bathrooms. I gave worked for a school hool district since 1987. And also serve as a board member at a different school district. I have been in many bathrooms at the schools and in public bathrooms at stores and businesses. I have yet to see a litter box. Have you seen one? If so, where?
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April Anne Inott
Yes, totally agree. It is a matter of safety, right to privacy and plain common sense. There is too much tolerance for this nonsense. These kids need mental help not accommodations. And if this was a true Bible following church, they would not allow this in the first place. The Bible states in the end times that we will see what is right be made to appear wrong & what is wrong to appear right. This is a prime example of that.
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AWSII
This whole thing should revolve around the point of not "allowing hostile comments to go unchecked".
Today's adult political arena has been a perfect example of how civility degrades when hostile comments are applauded.
Why can't these boys be guided into understanding that the proper procedure would be to log a complaint with the administration rather than harass, accost or threaten the transgender student? That is the procedure adults are supposed to follow.
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Pamela Kay Waters
They are born with the body they are born with. And that's how God made each of us. When we think we are in the wrong body that is like saying God made a mistake, and that doesn't happen.
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AWSII
I'm not sure you have thought this through, or maybe you have. You are implying that when children are born with life-threatening defects we should let them die because God made them that way. If that's true, it seems pointless for God to have given us intelligence so we could try and alleviate suffering in our fellow humans, don't ya think?
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Father Flanagan
Someone overhearing and recording a private conversation is not harassment, it’s someone looking to portray themselves as a victim - these boys have a First Amendment right to have a conversation about anything they want whether someone close by overheard them or not and whether the topic of the conversation offends the person or not this is still America and I served this country so those boys would have the right to have that conversation not to mention that the school district is in violation of federal laws that require the girl posing as a boy to use her correct locker room and bathroom.
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AWSII
This was not a private conversation. These were loud voices able to be heard by anyone and everyone within earshot.
Also, there are no federal laws that require a transgender student to use a locker room or bathroom that aligns with their birth gender. Some states have enacted such laws, but the federal government has not. Feel free to look that up.
From one veteran to another, thank you for serving.
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Nicholas J Page
We have a similar problem here in England no transgender people should be using facilities for male /female you are what you are at birth not what you want to be after several years its becoming an issue
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Tami Tabone
So my question is, their have been fays, lesbians, and Trans folks changing in locker rooms for years. Nobody had issue with it. So you feel like someone born a girl, but transitioning to male, a person who is physically attracted to females, has all the traits of a male, should not be allowed to change in a male locker room? Where would they change? The girl's locker room? What if they were born hermaphrodite and the parents assigned them one sex at birth, but they really weren't....where would these folks change? I don't feel ot is very spiritual to make them outcasts. But we do need to find a good and fair resolution to this issue.
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Echo
This seams tame compared to the harrasment and bullying i recieved in high-school going to my sex assigned at birth locker room. Now afterwards of transition, harrasment has stopped. Guess boys/men can't control thier emotions.
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Chantal Guillou-Brennan
Gender and identification with a male, female, cat, ET... should be seen as separate issues. We are born with a gender but we can choose to identify with anything with desire to. Identification is a choice to be respected that has nothing to do with sexual preferences. Such preferences that may involve interactions with either male or female partners as well as animals or object or digital content which may remain private—as it has been for millenia.
What is ...
I'm born female, but at 52, I'm tired of making less than a man for the same job!! So I bought a fake beard to go to work and demand to be now treated according to my new identification. I'm a man and I demand the same pay for the same job! Do I have to drop my pants for that or will my new identification be sufficient to demand equal pay for the same job?
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Pamela Kay Waters
This is totally different then those that are wanting to change from the sex they are born with to the other just because they think they are in the wrong body. You are a female that wants more pay.
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Vanessa S Cornier
I hear so much is vs them in all of your comments…
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Robert J Giammarco
Yet it's OK when a MALE enters the female locker room. WHY was the MUSLIM student let go? Too much is missing here. This can not be the whole story, and they never are. And the recording is not that audible. This whole situation is ridiculous, IMHO. Seems like always, the trans individuals ALWAYS want to have their 15 minutes of fame.....
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Joe R Day
No, it is never about 'trans individuals ALWAYS want to have their 15 minutes of fame.' This is Always about bullies and their unrelenting harassment of another student... This not a 'Trans Issue'. Rather, it is a statement against kids who feel they have the right to harass and bully another, simply because they are 'different'...
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Robert J Giammarco
Sorry Joe, I disagree. You, like many others, have their 15bminutes of saying the SAME thing. SAD, that even the MSM is active in producing this craze. MANY of these kids are misled. They ALL need psychiatric help. To really see where the issues are within their core. SADLY, this rearly happens, and many parents are complacent in pushing the child into this craze. There are so many of them producing videos about how happy they are that their son is a girl, or the girl is a boy. Even more sad is the fact that the MSM WILL NEVER SHOW THESE KIDS THE TRUE AFFECTS OF THEIR CHANGE. So many have produced videos saying how sad they are that NO PARENT, school counselor, religious or secular member DID NOT TALK with them.
ALL I heard in this video was WHY IS THERE A FEMALE IN THE LOCKER ROOM. Again, it seems OK that you, as a male is OK to go into the female locker room. NOTHING is said. Even though the women or girls do not accept it, they are FORCED to. WHY? Where is the logic in any of this? So now the OPPOSITE happens, and all hell breaks loose. How ironic
YOU CAN SPEW ALL YOU WANT, just as everyone on here does with these blogs. I stand by my words. If you are trans, I am sorry that you go through this, or maybe someone you know. MY continued question is WHY didn't you or any of them seek psychiatric guidance BEFORE jumping into all the medical drugs that EVERYONE of them will need for the REST of their lives. It's not a one-and-done procedure.....Its a LIFETIME COMMITMENT...... that sadly ruins their life. Please don't say it makes them happy. Happiness is being FREE from a lifetime of medical interventions. Just ask anyone with a chronic heart condition or a diabetic. That's NOT happiness. That's a CHAIN on a life not filled with happiness......IMHO......
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Michael Hunt
Transgender persons do go through years of therapy, and sometimes seek a psychiatrist as well if they feel there's a need for medications to help with depression or anxiety, before any undergoing physical transition.
I have the pleasure of knowing a number of people who are transgender, some who have physically transitioned and some just socially, and every one of them is happier now than they were before transitioning.
The only way you can come to the conclusion you have is by being incredibly ignorant of transgender healthcare and basing your opinions on feelings instead of scientific research and study.
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Robert J Giammarco
SADLY, Michael was not enough from the onset. YOU did not understand my explanation. I am not about to explain it to ignorant people like yourself, because you're all on the same bandwagon. THEY THINK they are happy, as YOU all go along with them. That's fine. It's your decision. The rest of us don't have to agree, which you ALL force down our throats.
IF all of what you and others CLAIM, then WHY is it that SO many are making videos and documentaries saying JUST THE OPPOSITE? GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES.
SADLY, there are way too many PLAYING GOD. That includes YOU, DOCTORS, FAMILY, FRIENDS, and EVEN THEIR PARENTS. I am not judging them. You do as you like. If mutilating your body is your thing, and theirs, so be it.
I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE. That's my issue. YOU just did the EXACT thing I am saying. YOU want ME to go long, saying I am ignorant, I am NOT. I just don't like having to be FORCED to accept something I disagree with. YET, you throw up to ME, and most likely others, saying we are ignorant. You're ignorant for NOT RESPECTING OUR RIGHT. I don't BULLY or harass anyone that chose that way. I know many do. YOU are placing ME in that category. I'm not. YOU ARE!
IF you and they are happy, great. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Michael Hunt
"THEY THINK they are happy..." So you know how people really feel better than themselves? That's quite the superpower!
You're clearly judging transgender people by saying they're mentally ill (they're not) and the people who support them by saying we're all going along with them.
You might not agree with me, but that doesn't make your opinion right. I said you are ignorant of transgender healthcare because your statements about transpeople needing psychiatry shows you are lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about the healthcare transgender people receive. If you were more aware of the process of transitioning, I would hope you'd come to a conclusion that follows facts and studies, not just a belief that "GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES."
You don't have to agree with me that the sky is blue or that the Earth is round, but you'd be wrong since we have evidence and study that proves the sky is blue and Earth round. We have studies that detail a long history of the existence of transgender people. They have always existed and now they're being demonized by people who don't want them to exist. You can disagree with this if you want, but you'd be rejecting reality.
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Robert J Giammarco
SO WHERE IS ALL THE EVIDENCE that trans has existed before, as you claimed?
Michael, you miss my point. That's OK, YOU don;t have to AGREE with me either. THAT'S YOUR RIGHT.
Nothing of what you stated is by any means saying I don't understand. AGAIN, YOU, and all your followers are JAMMING this crap down my throat and FORCING ME TO ACCEPT WHAT YOU ALL WANT.
Sorry, Dude. I DO NOT ACCEPT what you want me to. Are you really sure the sky is blue, and the earth is round? I'd bet many would disagree.
BLASPHEMY to say that GOD made a mistake. Tells me you're NOT religious. You just go along with the program.
YOU think boys in girls' rooms and vice versa is all ok. Thats the WHOLE POINT of this blog.
ALL studies can be made to support facts to one's theory, as you want. I don't BULLY or Harass these people, as you seem to imply, as I don't know or accept the medical issues. HOW DO YOU KNOW what I accept? YOU are not me. STOP forcing YOUR thoughts on what I SHOULD BELIEVE. MERRY CHRISTMAS..
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Michael Hunt
In Germany, 100 years ago they were studying transgender people. Then the Nazis came to power and burned all of the research.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/
"Are you really sure the sky is blue, and the earth is round? I'd bet many would disagree." Yes, I am positive of these statements being true because we have ways to scientifically prove it. Again, you're welcome to disagree, but that doesn't make you right.
No one is forcing you to agree, nor is anyone bullying you into agreeing with them. I'm trying to provide you with a critique of your stance in hopes that it might get you to reassess your opinion.
However, yes, I suppose it is true that you're being asked to accept transgender people existing in public, just as I am asked to accept Christians existing in public. Transgender people are not choosing to be trans and identifying with a community that's historically discriminated against, while Christians have chosen to believe their religious faith and can change their beliefs at any time. Still, both people should be able to exist in public.
No, I'm personally not subscribed to Christian religion, but I fail to see how that means I "go along with the program," especially since I'm not going with the Christian program that you follow.
I'm not saying boys should use girls restrooms, I'm saying transmen, who by all appearances look to be a man, should use the men's bathrooms because otherwise it would appear that a man is using the women's bathroom, and vice versa with transwomen. Forcing transgender people to use the bathroom opposite of their displayed gender will only make for awkward situations and further demonization of the transgender community.
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Robert J Giammarco
PUSH YOUR AGENDA elsewhere. Your last paragraph says it all. AGAIN, as I stated, ALL I heard on that very noisy tape was WHAT'S a female doing in the boys' locker room. NEITHER of us was there. So WAS it a TRUE FEMALE? Or one transitioning? YOU stated it in your comment. You are hell bent or pushing this down my throat. We can agree to disagree. Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS..........
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Michael Hunt
My last paragraph says what, exactly, and what agenda am I pushing, specifically?
I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat, I'm just trying to provide a critique of your position in hopes that you can defend it and provide me with a different point of view.
How would you feel if a transwoman walked into the men's room while you were using it and you didn't realize they were transgender? How do you think a woman would feel if a large, bearded transgender man walked into the women's restroom, and they didn't know they were transgender? I feel like this is an important thing to consider in this debate.
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Robert J Giammarco
MICHAEL, give it a break. You act just like an employee at TARGET. Yes, sir, YOU can use the LADIES' room. IF you can't realize what you said, then I'm finished with so-called debating with you. You have facts that are over 100 years old. I am not that old. Research CAN be manipulated. and MANYtimes it is to suit the researchers.
READ you own stuff. You certainly prove to me that you're an advocate for pushing this stuff. LATER DUDE>>>>>
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Michael Hunt
Yes, I am an advocate for transgender rights. I don't push anyone to be transgender, but I do push for the allowance of transgender persons to exist in public.
I don't think criticizing the age of my facts (your words) is the win you think it is. Research can be manipulated, sure, but when the overwhelming majority of research is saying the same thing, we're now talking about hundreds of researchers all manipulating the same data the same way.
I'm sorry you're uninterested in engaging in any discussion or debate about this topic so I intend for this to be my last reply. Happy holidays! I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and New Year!
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Robert J Giammarco
Michael, I NEVER said I was against Transgender people. YOU said boys to boys, girls to girls.
Thats what it SHOULD be, but isn't, unfortunately.
I knew you had to be an advocate, good. My entire point, regardless of the stats you state. YOU, and so many others, PUSH for THEIR rights, OK, WHAT ABOUT MY RIGHTS, and the RIGHTS of others, who may not want to accept this ideology?
That's the point of this. YOU ALL DON"T care. Please, DON'T write back and say you do, as it's apparent that you all want to push its agenda down our throats, as I have repeatedly stated.
You must have a child, as you are so adamant about this. Yet, you continue to push and push. Just because there may be stats on it doesn't make it right. Yes, I am against a CHILD being mutilated. IF they are 18 and over, it's their body they can do as they wish. I
stated earlier that they will endure a life of endless medical treatments. YOU agreed with that. My issue is that the young kids may not be aware of, or understand this concept. Your debate is to prove that stats exist. I'm not convinced that it's all true, even though you claim that there are hundreds. It does not justify mutilating kids, IMHO.
My entire statement was that you, and others, are upset that a few boys QUESTIONED why a GIRL was in the boys' locker room. I find it ironic that this has become so outrageous, yet the GIRLS are supposed to sit back and take it. It's stupid. Again, goes back to WHOS RIGHTS are being violated? Where does it end? This is what YOU miss. Yet, once again, you want to try to educate me on something MY RELIGION is not in favor of. You don't believe in GODS divineness. I guess you'll tell me there are more than 2 sexes? Please don't!!! As I also am NOT GOING TO RESPOND.
YOU and YOUR family have a Merry Christmas, and all the BLESSINGS of the NEW YEAR! Thank you for your. debate.........
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Echo
Robert, take your own advice and stop pushing your agenda. Let people exist, and if it makes YOU uncomfortable go elsewhere. But taking your hatred out on another is pure ignorance and despicable hateful rhetoric. Being of the cloth means supporting people to live a life that you may or may not agree with, but helps them connect with what supreme being(s) you both worship.
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Robert J Giammarco
ECHO,
Being a member of the CLOTH, YOU should know better! I'm NOT pushing ANY AGENDA as you and others are.
Others, like myself, have RIGHTS as well, but YOU and others feel we should not, and ACCEPT everything you want to push on everyone. You're another who MISSES the whole point of this ridiculous blog. Follow Jesus, as I see you NOT being a member of the cloth. Next time, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
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Echo
Rights you speak of, as in the bill of rights and the constitution? So you believe that your feelings overrides the rights of others?
Maybe statistics will help. Child rape is committed by men 91%, women 6%, trans 0.01%. White Christian men make up 86% of the 91%. And Transgender individuals are the risk you speak of? They are the ones that should be excluded?
Maybe keeping men away from children, especially white Christian men would be far safer and effective use of time.
Wish you could not be so hateful.
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Robert J Giammarco
You are ALL alike. its NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED. ITS THE CRAP THAT YOU ALL FORCE IT ON US. You speak of child rape, etc. Do you even know what this story is even saying? Dude, you lost it long ago.
You're not worth my time. You and several others are just advocates for them, which is fine. Wanting those who have other beliefs to ACCEPT this entire nonsense. No one needs to accept anything. We can agree to disagree. However, your beliefs are sordid in evilness. Sad to say.
Have a nice Christmas.
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Echo
Last word syndrome, nice. Attacking members because we have an opinion, distribution of hateful actions that do harm, you are not worth the time. I disagree with supporting your harmful methodology and will not allow removing rights of others just because your feelings might be hurt. No thank you for preaching.
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Robert J Giammarco
ECHO, I'm NOT attacking anyone. You three have been attacking me from the onset. You ALL misunderstood my statements. Have your own opinions, that's fine. Yet you INSIST that YOUR ways are the right way. Again FORCE. This is typical of the left. PRACTICE what you all preach. Have a nice day spewing your nonsense.
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Michael Hunt
It's evil to accept transgender people?
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Robert J Giammarco
I thought you gave up? Again, you all need to have the last word. Where did I say that? Again, YOU all misconstrue everything because someone, like me, has a different opiion then YOU.
IMHO, Michael, you and the other TWO personify EVILNESS. Have a nice day...
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Brian Hand
Finally someone sane. Trans mental issues should have been addressed long ago instead of coddling it. You can’t change your sex & only belong in areas of the sex you were born with…because that is what you are regardless of how you dress, mutilate your body or pretend. The rest of us DON’T have to play along!
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Robert J Giammarco
That's ALL I am trying to say. Do what you choose. YET, I do NOT have to go along with accepting it. I don't like having IT FORCED down my throat. It's funny HOW all these LIBS WANT us to LIKE what they do, and respect it,
YET, NONE OF THEM WILL EVER RESPECT OUR WISHES. Such hypocrites! Thank you.
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Michael Hunt
Your wish is to prevent transgender people from existing in public life... Why would someone respect the wish to force someone to hide from society?
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Harvey Jay Friedman
I don’t give a fart if people want to believe they are a different sex than they were born as. I care that they want me to accept their belief as being normal why can’t they accept my belief that it’s not. What if I said I was a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. Would they accept that.
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Michael Hunt
Yes, they would accept that if you genuinely felt more comfortable identifying as a woman but still had attractions to women.
You believing that it's not "normal" to be transgender depends on what exactly you mean by normal. If you mean occurring naturally due to someone's biology, then it is normal for someone to be transgender, even if it's not common. There's plenty of scientific study to show it's not some fad or choice to be transgender.
By suggesting that they are not "normal" you are othering the transgender community which creates an "us vs them" mentality which then leads to the marginalization the community that you're othering.
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