If you’re entrenched enough in the internet world, then you’ve undoubtedly heard about ‘cancel culture’. Cancel culture is an online phenomenon that seeks to tear down anyone found to have said or done things deemed problematic or offensive. Targets range from celebrities, to politicians, to influencers, to regular people. It is a form of public shaming fueled by online platforms like Twitter and Facebook, and is in equal parts relished and despised by internet users.
Now one evangelical leader is trying to harness cancel culture for his own purposes: to cancel Charles Darwin.
Dissent Over Darwin
Ken Ham, CEO of Answers in Genesis, is perhaps best known for his life-size Noah’s Ark, a tourist attraction and museum in Kentucky. The attraction brought Ham both infamy and praise, as well as an invitation to debate creationism and evolution with Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Ham, an outspoken evangelical who believes the earth is 6,000 years old, is now harnessing the greater cancel culture movement to try and get one of his nemeses scrubbed from science and history books nationwide.
In a blog post, Ham said that Darwin published “some of the most inherently racist material you could read,” citing Darwin’s influence on Hitler’s beliefs and science textbooks that falsely list Caucasians as the highest order in a racial hierarchy.
“Surely that alone should be enough to cause the 'cancel culture' to ban Darwin from libraries, schools, and universities,” Ham laments, before suggesting that liberals and academics won’t criticize Darwin because he’s “like a god to them.”
Ham suggests that Darwin’s racism should be enough to throw him and his landmark writings on evolution out of schools, universities, and the public consciousness forever.
A Man of His Time, or Irredeemably Racist?
The accusation that Darwin was a racist and helped fuel racist beliefs is not a new one for Ham. He’s been pounding this drum for years, including in another Answers in Genesis blog post called “Did Darwin Promote Racism?”
Ham cites 20th century racists and eugenicists who used so-called biological arguments to justify their racism. Evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould wrote that “biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” He also cites Darwin’s own words, like his language describing African Pygmies as “savages”.
It seems apparent that, like most of his contemporaries, Darwin did have racist beliefs. Notably, he drew distinctions between “civilized” and “savage” races of humans, and said that there are biological differences between races - including mental and emotional capacity. The fact that these beliefs were disturbingly commonplace during Darwin's lifetime doesn't excuse his views, but it does help to explain them.
The underlying question is: do these revelations put a stain on Darwin's theories? Is it time to "cancel" Darwin and remove his “inherently racist dogma” from public schools, as creationist Peter Heck suggests?
To Cancel or Not to Cancel
But critics ask: what would that accomplish? Just because the man himself was objectionable, doesn’t mean his scientific findings are. The case for evolution by natural selection is overwhelming, and “evolution is as firmly established a scientific fact as the roundness of the Earth.”
Evolution and natural selection can be observed on scales large and small, and isn’t even necessarily at odds with religious belief. The Catholic Church, for example, has been open to evolution for decades, and allows Catholics to believe (or not) in evolution.
Scientists seek knowledge through methods of determining objective truth. Does it really make sense to erase scientific findings just because the person making the discoveries held ugly views?
Nonetheless, the case of Darwin is worth watching as we face a larger cultural reckoning and re-examination of figures from our past. As we've covered recently, activists are tearing down statues of Civil War generals, slave owners, and some even want to topple statues of Jesus.
What do you think – are statues of Darwin next? How should we deal with problematic historical figures?
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Minister Mike
Well, looky there! Am I first to comment? 😁
I haven't read any of Darwin's writings, so I don't know enough to say what's right and what's wrong with this. So, I hope someone who HAS read his works can quote the publication and page of Darwin's racist writings.
I do know from experience and education that racism in America is firmly entrenched in Christianity, its holy book (the Bible) and its tenants as taught by white Americans and Europeans. Perhaps, using Mr. Ham's criteria, it is time to cancel Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Minister Mike - Spend some time to read Darwin's work. Darwin was highly religious and was troubled for what God had revealed to Darwin. And Darwin was just one of many God revealed evolution to. The reason Darwin is so well known is he was the first one to get a book published and the public was interested so they bought and read his book.
Any idea why only the Europeans and Chinese societies advanced technology? And other societies remained the same for thousand or tens of thousands of years? Don't you think the Chinese and the Europeans have a "curiosity gene"? Why did Chinese and Europeans cultures advance and others did not?
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Minister Mike
I have read enough on the subject to know that Darwin did not discover evolution. If memory serves it was first explained by Greek & Chinese philosophers hundreds of years BC. All he did was report his observations that supported it.
Interesting that you can't provide the information I asked for, so obfuscate your failure with a bunch of b...sorry, non-facts and outright lies that have nothing to do with my request. Well, keep repeating them - someone on your intellectual level might believe them, some day. Maybe.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Minister Mike what information are you saying I didn't not provide? I would think you if you studied the subject you would know the facts.
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Minister Mike
Typical, but great entertainment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
From original post (because you ignored it) "...quote the publication and page of Darwin's racist writings"
Are you REALLY that dense or just pretending?
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Tom Thackrey
Darwin did not invent evolution, he discovered it. Removing him from science textbooks would not change the reality or nature of evolution. If you want to do that either develop an alternate explanation for what Darwin (and many others) have observed or find evidence that evolution does not exist.
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Minister Joaquin J. Echevarria
Darwin not invented the evolution or discovered it, he just publish the work from hundred of years of teologist, scientics, geologist, etc. He just take all of those, do a deep study and publish his opinion.
As a faith person I can believe about evolution, it's more credible for me to assume the theory of evolution, that we were molded from clay.
What creationists should ask themselves is not whether evolution exists (because it exists) but rather, how the universe, the world in which we live, was created. The CONTACT movie should help many of these creationists, to prove that humanity evolved, and that in the same way, other creatures with intelligence have done it on other planets, but there is something that NOBODY can know, and that is, who made the universe?
If you have not seen CONTACT, I invite you to attend it.
Blessings
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Juanita Yvonne Jinks
No one discovered evolution. It just is. People were learning to understand evolution. Namaste.
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Delphine S. Pillar
It's ridiculous to try to erase everyone we don't agree with, that is why we have an epidemic of stupidity today. Tesla , who was a genius and gave many things to this world, was a white supremacist, but clearly we would not have the amazing tech today without him. The same here, cultures and values change and shift, as they should. History must be kept alive, as those who do not learn from it, repeat mistakes. Banning or canceling someone is more like the Taliban than a free country. Darwin made great contributions to science, they should not be erased. Rarely, is a person all good or all bad, these kinds of definitions of humanity are so flawed. If you want to make a difference in racism, teach the children diversity is beautiful and genetic diversity is the only way the human race will survive. If you study science at all you know there is genetic degradation over time, which is why genetic diversity is necessary. Not to mention that love, forgiveness and education is so necessary. Cancel culture is not Spiritual or Christian.
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Tom
Delphine...Very well stated...as I have said before, the only solution to endemic racism is through housing and education...from the day school starts there should be an hour a day dedicated to inter-personal relationships, with teachers who truly believe we are all equal and valued....it may be possible to effect changes in policing training, to improve the attitude of police, but to effect overall change requires true equal housing and education (and not the silly blather from Trumputin that there should be universal "school choice"...but this will take two generations, and we do not seem to have the dedication to accomplish this...which is why the only way to effect real positive change is for each person to be loving, compassionate and forgiving, and let all of the energy from millions of people doing this to be absorbed in the world...Peace...Tom B
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Randall Coy Griffin
I agree with what you said. Cancel Culture is dumb. Period. It truly is. Complete lunacy. To attempt to go back and right every wrong through out all of history is an impossibility. To attempt to forgive and let go of any pain done to us is more practical. Cancel culture feels more like moving backward than forwards. Not logical at all. -=:-\
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T Kosse`
The Australian born preacher Ken Ham who runs the Creationist Museum in Kentucky, believes the world is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs roamed during the Old Testament (Hey, I fact checked the Bible and couldn’t find one mention of a Stegosaurus).
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John Norris Campbell
"I fact checked the bible...." Since the word 'dinosaurs' didn't even exist until the mid 1800's that's not actually 'fact checking' anything. Look up 'cockatrice', behemoth, and leviathan...these are actual descriptions of ' dragon's...a word used throughout not only the bible but secular history as well.
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T Kosse`
It's isn't history but myth and legends that they are mentioned so far no actual proof that they ever existed
'cockatrice cock·a·trice. a mythical serpent hatched from a cock's egg and having power to kill by a look. Bible an unidentified deadly serpent.
behemot) is a mythological beast from the biblical Book of Job, apparently a form of the primeval chaos-monster defeated by God
Leviathan appears in Psalms 74:14 as a multiheaded sea serpent
Let me know when they find fossils or bones of these mythological creatures
There's also mythological dragons that fly and again no fossil or bone have yet been found.
Maybe the name or the word 'dinosaurs' didn't even exist until the mid 1800's but some fossils and bones have been dated as far back to 231-million years ago
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Bruce Sutka
He’s ignorant
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Ty Ford
I appreciate the idea that Darwin had a dark side. Regardless, the annual Darwin Awards, although meant to be somewhat comedic, are spot on. Regardless of race, the ill-equipped are more vulnerable to injury and/or death.
I think you take from his positions the positive, non-racist things and leave the rest. Are there statues of Darwin? I don't have a clue. This question does have import. Should our Constitution be trashed because it was written by men....stop there and consider that women did not write our Constitution....and go on from there to deal with whether the Constitution, having been written by men, many of whom were slave owners, renders it a document that we can no longer use?
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
Its not like he hurt African Americans like slavers so yeah that is a bit extreme he is hardly the worst just quit a bit ignorant for such a genus. They just want to eliminate evolution but we are not supposed to be a Christian nation and the church and state (school) is not supposed to intertwine. The founding fathers wanted to leave religious persecution but that what it has come to nowadays...
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Vern Dee Wall
Arguing with an evolutionist is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird shits on the board and struts around as if he won anyway. Trouble is, the same is true of creationists. Everybody in this business needs to learn their business better. A lot better.
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Johnny Mac
The suppositions of this man was flawed. Beasts of the field have and will adapt for their time. This was the divine plan all along. I have rabbits and bids living at my house. They are patient and stubborn. Species have a limited life plan. As do humans. Our Sun governs how we change. I know, I have burned many times over my long life. My skin is not yours. Just because it is different from your color does not mean I am racist, you know not if me. Jesus Christ knows me and I believe HIS FATHER created all things. This I found reading The Holy Bible over the years. We went to the moon with GOD’s help. We find cures because of divine intervention. I say that GOD is among us. Watching over us. And has saved us many times from evil and ourselves! Trust and Obey! GOD be with you and Blessings upon you. Amen
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T Kosse`
You know I would like to agree with you when you wrote "I say that GOD is among us. Watching over us. And has saved us many times from evil and ourselves!" But I really really can not, Not after looking at hundreds of picture of millions of innocent men, women and children of the holocaust. Who were sent to concentration camps, military brothels Forced - labor camps death camps plus sent on death marches near the end of the war. Innocent men, women and children who only crime was that they were identify as Jews , Gypsies, the intellectually/mental illness/disabled dissidents homosexuals and others for racial, political, ideological even gentiles Who were not of a "pure race". They were starved until they were nothing but skin and bone, they were beaten, worked and shot to death. They use them like lab rat for gruesome medical and science experiments. You say "that GOD is among us", but why wasn't GOD among them and you say that he "has saved us many times from evil", but why didn't he save them from evil. You say the god is "Watching over us" Well if God was watching over them. Why didn't he do anything to protect them.
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Lionheart
You are absolutely correct. Johnny Mac’s mythical loving god didn’t even seem interested in saving the first born children when he decided to kill them due to his anger management issues with Pharaoh.
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William Cureton Fox
When I took primary school in the 1950s, the school taught us Darwin evolution and at the Methodist Church, she Sunday School taught the students, "God used evolution to give us all the different living creatures." I suppose the system fell apart when the Communists took over the education system in 1970s and later.
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T Kosse`
you wouldn't by chance have been abducted and get anally probed by alien while walking out in a cornfield. ( Just to clarify things By Alien I mean from a other planet or galaxy and not from south of the border)
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Dan Anderson
William - What Communists? In what country?
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T Kosse`
I really don't you have concern yourself with evolution, since you really haven't evolve yet.
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Dan Anderson
To cancel Charles Darwin's writings and ignorning the science that has backed up much of what he found is ludicrous. Of course, seeing it is from Ken Ham, a young-earth creationist (YEC) who thinks that God made the earth in six days, and the rest of the universe in less time (given that stars came AFTER the earth was created, according to him), it is obvious he is out to make money and ignore proven issues.
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Umberto Corrà
Purtroppo vogliamo giudicare la storia con la nostra mentalità del XXI* secolo... Possiamo criticare e non accettare quei atteggiamenti! Ma pormi la domanda: Come avrei risposto in quelle situazioni in quel periodo? Non lo so... So solamente che dobbiamo imparare dalla Storia a non ripetere gli stessi errori; queste furie iconoclaste mi ricordano fatti avvenuti nei primi secoli, sia da cristiani e da non cristiani... Cerchiamo di crescere: Pace ed Unità! Padre Umberto Corrà - Fr. URIEL, monaco ecumenico
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T Kosse`
Translation from Italian to English
Unfortunately we want to judge history with our 21st century mentality ... We can criticize and not accept those attitudes! But ask me the question: How would I have responded in those situations at that time? I don't know ... I only know that we must learn from history not to repeat the same mistakes; these iconoclastic furies remind me of events that took place in the early centuries, both as Christians and as non-Christians ... Let us grow: Peace and Unity! Father Umberto Corrà - Br. URIEL, ecumenical monk
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Thomas Goodrich
Thank you for the translation. This brings to my questioning mind, if God created all man equally, why are there hundreds of different languages?
All other animals of the same equality have one voice. Pigs squeal, horses snort, birds chirp, snakes hiss, well hopefully you get my point?-
T Kosse`
Because language is like everything else it changes and evolves and it adapt to it time period and regions. The English language of today is not the same English language of three hundred years ago. You go to any different Spanish-speaking country in South America they all have different dialect, American English isn't the same as the UK English. Even in the Unite State every region has a different accent, different dialect, different pronunciation of words.
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T Kosse`
Animals can communicate, but they don’t have “language.” From a linguistics perspective, they lack too many attributes of actual language. Animals communicate by using a variety of signs such as sounds or movements. ... While the term "animal language" is widely used, researchers agree that animal languages are not as complex or expressive as human language.
Language evolution also involves changes to the rules of syntax and the rules of phonology, not things you will see in animal communication. But language is much more than that.
Animals don’t “talk” about things that are in the future or the past or that don’t exist. There are no rules of syntax, how different elements can be rearranged to change the meaning.
For animal communication to evolve like human languages, word meanings would have to change through extension or other processes. I recall reading about one species (a small mammal, if I remember correctly) has one warning cry for a snake and another for a bird of prey. The members of the group react differently to the two cries. If it were a proper language, the call for “snake” could be extended to refer to other cylindrical things, or to other animals with sharp teeth, and maybe even lose the original meaning over time. (Like deer used to mean “animal,” and meat used to mean “food” in English.) That would not happen, because then the survival value of a single call that means only “snake” would be gone.
Language evolution also involves changes to the rules of syntax and the rules of phonology, not things you will see in animal communication.
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Master Wolf KSC
Ken Ham is a charlatan pushing Bronze-age phantasy as fact. He appeals to an often-loud group of anti-science people. His YEC notions should receive hoots and jeers, just like flat-earth notions.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I believe those anti-science people are also called Donald Trump's base. You know, like morons.
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Master Wolf KSC
Ah. The salt of the earth.
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T Kosse`
Yes they do leave a sour and bitter taste in your mouth don't they.
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T Kosse`
You know since Trump base seem to treat Trump like the second Messiah and his every word is like the word of god. Why don't we take him out to the middle of the pacific ocean and let him walk back on water.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Naw he needs to do it bigly so I say let him walk on lava instead.
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T Kosse`
I like your idea better. Ilmenheru Terikson I can almost smell the ham and bacon frying now.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Ken Ham is basically the epitome of the saying "They have gone full ham" which basically was just another way of saying they have gone past the point of reason into full on bat shiite crazy.
Its scary how these guys keep managing to push their madness onto society, and that there are those so blinded by faith they have given up all grip on reason.
Creationists, flat earthers, lizard people believers, mormons. It just goes on and on and we with reason keep letting it happen because we dont want to have to do the egg breaking needed to make some new egg dish we cant even fully imagine, but know it has to be better than a world with people fit for a nice padded room being out in society spreading their madness like a virus.
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Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson
I'd be more likely to give this Ham person some credence if his Ark replica was built with the materials and methods available to Noah.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
The Big Ham will tell you God was helping Noah to build the ark. And I've been praying to God for decades to was just one dish or clean the house just once.
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William Waugh
Ok. Lets keep it simple; a: get an education, b: get a job.
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Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk
1, Charles Darwin was an abolitionist.
- Charles Darwin wrote books in the language of his day. The terms he used may sound racist today but they were the common terms used when the books were written.
As a scientist Darwin had to present a hypothesis, test it, and if it passed the scientific tests write a paper to be challenged by his peers. Yes, he might have written some objectionable things. But if they were disprove he would abandon them and come up with a better hypothesis. The things he and his peers did resulted in us learning what we know today. He was part of the solution to racism, not part of the problem.
A far as Ken Hamm goes, his faith in God is severely lacking. Saying God had to do something a certain way despite physical evidence to the contrary is basically calling God a liar. God doesn't lie to us. We may not understand him because of our own failings, but he would never deceive us.
If you think the Devil went and put fake evidence everywhere on God's creation you are claiming that the Devil is just as powerful or more powerful than God. The Devil's only power is to twist the minds of men with deceit and lies. He has no power over the material world.
The Creation Story is a way to explain creation to bronze age men. They weren't going to understand amino acids, DNA, and RNA. They will understand mud. They won't understand 13 billion years, but they will understand a generic period of time. Today we have the knowledge and intelligence to understand the intent behind a story and accept that it was a very general explanation. He explains the more complicated version of everything to the people that make the effort to go and look. People like Charles Darwin... and not like Ken Hamm.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Very well stated.
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Albert Douglas DuBois
Walt Disney was a misogynist and a bigot, but please don’t ban Mickey
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Frank Anthony Villari
This new "Cancel Culture" is really starting to piss me off. Changing history because of ignorant opinion has no place in an enlightened society. I was going to do a piece on Darwin being accused of racism by these ignorants. I read this piece and found I could not have said it better. Please take a moment to read:
Was Charles Darwin a racist?
William Crawley | 07:04 UK time, Friday, 13 February 2009
It will come as a surprise to historians of science if it's shown that he was, since the great naturalist has recently been lauded as an abolitionist whose detestation of slavery is an under-acknowledged motivation for his scientific work. According to Henry McDonald's piece in yesterday's Guardian, an MLA has suggested that Darwin was a "racist".
Mervyn Storey argues that Darwin's language in The Descent of Man would earn disapproval today. This is undoubtedly the case. Darwin certainly referred to Aboriginal people as "savages". There is also the language of "favoured race" in Origin of Species. But that language would not have raised an eyebrow in the nineteenth century; as always with historically placed language, we must be careful about extending our contemporary sensitivites to the past. Some of the language of the Bible would appear deeply objectionable by our contemporary lights.
The more serious question we should ask is whether Darwin, judged by the standards of his day, would have been considered a racist -- or, quite the opposite, as a campaigner, in his own way, for the abolition of slavery based on the conviction that all human beings have a common biological parentage.
That said, even if it were to be demonstrated that Darwin was -- even by the conventions of his day -- a racist, this conclusion may have consequences for our moral evaluation of Darwin as a man; it would contibute nothing to our evaluation of his work as science.
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David Ciambrone
The real problem here is Ken Ham. He is a joke. He will cast dispersions on others like Darwin but supports the evangelical model of the young earth, and the literal interpretation of the bible and the obvious myths in it like the creation stories, Noah and his floating zoo, Moses and the Exodus et al. Darwin was a scientist years ago and contributed to the body of knowledge we call evolution. Any personal views heMAY have had are really immaterial. Darwin didn't invent or discover evolution, biologists knew of it already, he added that species change due to adaptations (genetic and otherwise) and the better adaptations give the organism a better chance at survival in a particular environment. Ken Ham, needs to shut up.
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Daniel Gray
Evolutio0n is a fake. Confuciusornis and Archaeoptor; Atavisms and fraud in science, not to mention vestigial organ theory as all were claimed to be scientific evidence of evolution and then had to be retracted because they were proved false. And lets not forget the simple fact that a bunch of these so called evolutionary specialists are liars. Case in point Viswat Jit Gupta, who published so many fraudulent scientific papers on Himalayan fossils (some 300 papers over 25 years)—which were trusted by other scientists—that some today fear that the field may never recover. Gupta would salt his deposits with fossils and make audacious claims about them, literally making things up. Sorting out the true from the false from the tangled web he created not only corrupted the field of Himalayan stratigraphy thereafter, but damaged the reputations of all who worked with him or relied on his fake science. Or the others who made up claims when they placed a pigs tooth inside an apes head and claimed it to be the missing link. And if Evolution is such a fact then someone please explain how according to New York University health journalism professor Dr. Ivan Oransky, there are ten times as many corrections as retractions for the theory of evolution. Dr. Oransky is a co-founder of the website Retraction Watch, that tracks the thousands of errors in science journals that they have been able to identify since the website was founded. Given his data, of the about 1,350 papers that were retracted in 2016, about 13,000 “corrections” were required. Not much of a scientific fact now is it if you have this many corrections in just one year. But I bet there will be some people who still swear this is fact and completely ignoring the simple thing that we have just as many genomes putting us in the same family as a dolphin as we do an ape.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Daniel Gray - Science doesn't prove anything. What Dr. Oransky is doing is exactly what should happen in science, peer reviews of others works. This is how theories like gravity, germ theory and evolution are refined and come to be widely accepted. While there might be bits and pieces of evidence which might contradict the theory of evolution there is so much evidence to support the theory of evolution we take it as a fact just like gravity and the transmission of diseases.
While God and Creationism has been with us for 2,000 years, Evolution has been around for 3.77 billion years.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but if Science does not prove anything then how can it be called a scientific fact? The simple fact of the matter is that nobody knows how life started on this planet and no matter how many times evolutionists claim they do, they are lying. They used to claim we were descended from apes, and yet had to revise that. They ignore that we have almost as many of the same genomes as a dolphin, they ignore the species they claim went extinct right up until the same species are shown to be alive and well (celocanth for one) And then they say real creatures are fakes (like the kraken, that was videotaped in the wild off the coast of japan in 2018) or the megladon that they say is extinct, yet cannot explain what the shark was that swam next to a 56 foot boat and was bigger and wider then the boat, and no it was not a killer whale or any form of whales as they dont come down that far. Or the red belliled woodpecker in the swamps of Louisiana, right up till they have a videotape of it flying through the trees. And lets not forget the claim that birds are dinosaurs, a claim they have had to retract. So sorry but Evolution has not been around that long and its as much made up fantasy as Atheists say religion is.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Daniel Gray where are you getting your information? While we don't know for sure how life started on this planet the there is a lot of evidence which has gives us a very good idea. It is Christians who no next to nothing about evolution that incorrectly say we were descended from apes. What we know for sure is that we are related to apes. (Big difference.) Just as you might have cousins and have a common ancestors in the past, same is true for humans and apes. The facts show us you are genetically more closely related to apes and bonobos then a human women.
We when God created man and women he didn't create just one man and one women as we are told in the Bible. We now know God and evolution created 3 types of man and 3 types of women. And these 3 types mated with each other. It is very likely you are a mix of Adam from the Bible and the 2 other types of God didn't tell us about in the Bible that we found.
It's sad Christians don't look at the beauty of evolution and the diversity of creatures in our world.
May I ask, do you believe in the Big Bang? You realize the concept of the Big Bang was given to the world by a very devout priest? In the 1950s Christians rejoiced saying scientists have proven God's words in the Bible in story of Genesis with the Big Bang. The Christians were right, since found evidence of the creation of the universe. But as the priest pointed out to the Christians God screwed-up in the order. God get Day 1 correct, but screwed up on days, 2, 3, 4, 5 6, and half of day 7. Rejoice as it was a priest who showed God forgot the order he created things in the Bible.
Scientists don't claim to know everything, but are curious about God's world to find out. Scientists get things wrong all the time so we can learn the truth. Christians on the other-hand think they have all of the answers. And when they are proven wrong they still insist they are correct.
I became a minister to spread the love and beauty of the world we live in with others. I am so happy and could spread the love and work of scientists so you can see how God is allowing you to see the beauty of the evolution and of the Big Bang.
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Daniel Gray
Historical fact. NOAA. World Wildlife. Just to name a few. SO you can try and claim its real but history and science proves you wrong. As I said...NOBODY can prove evolution or creation and the ones that might know are dead and they are not talking. And the only way to find out for sure is to die. If you move on to heaven then you know creationism was correct, if you dont then you know atheism was. Either way you are not coming back to tell anyone about it.
And as for your Big bang...how do you abide this myth? You are going to try and tell anyone with any sense that everything in the Universe was condensed down to the size of a head of a pin? Now that takes FAITH to believe that nonsense as it conflicts with Newtons law of thermodynamics. You remember "an object that is stationary will stay stationary, as will an object that is moving stay moving unless acted upon by an outside source." Now if everything was condensed...then what exactly was the force that cause the big bang to happen? If you can explain that then you would have just made the greatest scientific discovery in human history....(sarcasm intended)
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Historical fact is exactly how we know evolution is occurred. That's why evolution is called a fact. There is no question that evolution has not and is not occurring. Your DNA is nearly the same our ancestor the apes.
As for the Big Bang it's sad you do not understand the work of the priest who is known for the Big Bang. In your study of physics you must have missed the lectures on the difference between Newtonian physics and Quantum Physics. All of the facts and experiments we have conducted support that the priest was right, there was a "Primeval Atom".
Evolution is just so elegant. And the experiments God has inspired many show evolution is happens is so beautiful. It is very said you are missing out on the spirituality of quantum physics where atomic particles can come into existence and disappear. Or that lead can and has been tuned into gold.
Spend sometime learning about the God's creations which have all occurred as the result of evolution.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but evolution is not historical fact. How many times have they tried to claim they found the missing link, only to have to remove that claim. How many times have they claimed that an animal was extinct only to have it fly or swim right in their face and show them for liars. How many times have they tried to claim a species only to find out they used one part from one animal and a tooth from another. How many times have they tried to claim we were descended from apes only to have to change the whole family tree as they call it? And lets not forget the things like the pepper moth in England that evolutionists swore was proof of same, only to have to retract it when they found the moths in question were two separate species. Oh and lets not forget the Piltdown Man Or the fact that evolutionists swore that birds were descended from dinosaurs, only then to have to retract that claim. Evolutionists have more holes in their THEORY then a block of swiss cheese. Oh and lets not forget the nice little claim that the universe is exactly so many billions of years old, and then they had to retract that when they found the Methuselah Star that is supposedly another 2 billion years older then the know universe "Bond and his team used NASA's Hubble Space Telescope to study the Methuselah star, which is more formally known as HD 140283. Scientists have known about HD 140283 for more than 100 years, since it cruises across the sky at a relatively rapid clip" Astronomers refined the star's age to about 14.5 billion years (which is older than the universe), plus or minus 800 million years. Now how can something be older then the know universe? that would mean the big bang theory is a lie. And since the US Supreme Court ruled that Humanism and Atheism and evolution is a religion...just how can it be taught in our schools as fact? You really need to know what you are talking about before you start talking
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Douglas Robert Spindler
You have science to thank for exposing the frauds all of these Christians attempted to fool people. There is no question the we have ample evidence to demonstrate there is no question that evolution is not a fact. While Piltdown man was a fraud committed by Christians, God has given us many true examples of transitions. The Tung child is a perfect example of the evolution between apes and man. And this is just one example of many. Your DNA is nearly the same as an ape. Get you DNA analyzed and you will find it is more like an ape than a human women. It’s sad you are so fixated on Christians who tried to deceive the world rather than look the the Scientific evidence God has given us that without a doubt shows evolution is occurring around us right now. You know evolution is occurring right now. Man has been running an experiment for 80 years in which we have seen how wolves evolve into dogs. God has given us thousands of more examples. There is so much current evidence for evolution it is considered evolutionary fact.
You facts about Methuselah star are incorrect. You are lucky to have science show us why you are wrong. Your mistake is you are not factoring in that the star is blue shifted. This would account for your error. With the Hubble telescope we are able to see What happened about a billionth of a second after the Big Bang. (Thank you God for allowing us to see it.) With God’s help, I’ve been able to show you what you have wrong. Let’s hope you take God’s wisdom in what I have shared with you so you know the truth.
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Daniel Gray
Nice try but nothing more then smoke and mirrors. Itwasnt Christians that made these fakes, it was and has been proved that it was people who believed in evolution's myth. Please know your history before starting to flap lips
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Are you next you will tell me Darwin was't a Christian either? Or that the Taung child is not "the" missing link between apes and humans? Or that your DNA is more similar to a male ape than a women? Or the experiment to see if wolves evolve into dogs that began about 100 years isn't happening?
May I ask where are you getting your information?
Do you believe Martin Luther was used smoke and mirrors with his Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences?
Why do you denounce God's truth when Gods provides it to you? Do you not believe in God's truth?
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Daniel Gray
And sorry child, the Methuselah star that I posted here is based on what NASA and world astronomers have said so I guess all of them are not not telling the truth because you say so?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Why do you as a Christian spread inaccurate information about God's creations; Methuselah star. If it is older than the Universe as you say, then you are admitting there was a Big Bang which created the universe just as the Belgium priest calculated. This was later demonstrated to be correct, there was a Big Bang.
Is the star older than the Big Bang or the creation of the universe as you say? No, not anymore. While you were correct, preliminary estimates set the age of the star as being POSSIBLY older than the universe. But when scientists used other telescopes/instruments they found there discrepancies in the initial measurements.
With the additional information we now know Methuselah star is NOT older than the universe. I have to ask, why you as a Christian pick and choose your information to support your beliefs? Why don't you report accurate information about God's world. It's people like Ken Ham who built the Ark Experience and filled full of God's and science inaccuracies which make the youth of today laugh at Christians.
And I sure you remember about 15 years ago when Christians used smoke and mirrors rename God's creationism calling it Intelligent Design and science. Anyone who has studied Darwin's life and evolution know this same tactic was used in the late 1800s. The Christians failed then, just like they did recently and the results were same then as they were now. They were frauds just like Piltdown man.
I would encourage everyone I minister to be honest and tell the truth about God's world. I would like to encourage you to do the same. Please stop telling untruths, people today use the Internet and will immediately know you are misrepresenting the truth. I hope you evolve and become a better Christian and spread the truth about God's beautiful kingdom.
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The Heretic Hour
Used Google for a quick glance. In a nutshell his thinking lead him to believe all life forms crawled up on shores out of the water.
He was wrong. 260 million years ago people and creature things from other gallaxies, light years more intelligent than humans took a primate and added less than 5% of their own DNA to create man to relieve them of the back breaking work of mining the minerals on this planet.
Believe it or not. Study some human origins, then draw your own conclusions. Lloyd Pye is an expert in this field. You can find this old gentleman's lectures on YouTube.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I read a story similar to this one before, but wouldn't count on it. Some writers of fiction are more imaginative or/and delusional than others. Let's not forget about The Star People by Brad and Francie Steiger.
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Diana Lee McAnsh
Agree with you.
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Krystina S.
Well, Alfred Russell Wallace also worked out the theory of evolution by natural selection simultaneously and independently. So maybe we should call it "Wallacism."
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Lionheart
The theory of creation is as humorous as the Ark theory. Ever wondered how fast a 3-toed Sloth walks/crawls? A quick check online tells me they walk at 0.09 mph. As far as I am aware they cannot swim and live in rain forests. The chances of two 3-toed sloth‘s making it as far as the Middle East is as remote as it would be for two penguins from the Antarctic making it to the Middle East.... and somehow surviving.
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T Kosse`
So by the time from a 3-toe sloth was born to the time a 3-toe sloth dies, just how far would they have gotten at the rate of 0.09 mph if it was moving non-stop. Except for eating, sleeping and defecating and any obstacle that may have impede its travel. If it was floating on water on say a log then you would have to know the tides, currents and wind then you would have factor in all those things in as well. Lionheart is right that in any case it most likely wouldn't gotten very far.
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Michael Ohliger
They stopped teaching everything else, so what difference does it make?
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Daniel Ginther
Joesph Mastropaola has proved legally and scientifically that the theory of Evolution is false, there is only De-volution as recorded by life since the dawn of man. One point of interest...If adaptation were true we would have hundreds warehouses the size of Amazon buildings all over the world housing evolving species, you couldn't dig 10 feet down in the ground without finding some fossilized man/fish.
If racism is the way to expel this lie out of the textbooks than so be it.
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Christopher David Moses Jr
Cancel the liar! ! Humans are a hybrid cross between a pig and a chimp created using genetic engineering techniques. HIS theory has been disproven hundreds, if not , thousands of times
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Jesse Richard Hall
Reading your comment, I have to ask are you saying that you disagree with the removal of statues? I am a bit confused. I want to point our that during world war 2 the Nazis experimented on the jewish and other concentration population. These were highly unethical means and crimes against humanity. Yet, they did find a number of things that could and to some extent has helped science. There has long been discussions about the use of such research today, and rightfully so. So, there should be a discussion of those types of ethical and moral problems. Now as for the statues, one does not learn history from statues. They learn in a classroom, and from one's own research. Can you tell me the last President that owned a slave was? How many slaves did Thomas Jefferson own? None of this is taught in class or learned from a statue. I see no need to have people, who openly rebelled to against the United States, who took up arms and killed US soldiers, have statues commemorating them. Especially when you look at the history of why they were put up.
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Colleen Ann Prusha
Wow. Just Wow. This has been some ugly talk. We are one race. Human. We may come in different colors and sizes but we are equal. We would not be having this discussion if Darwin had left his racist beliefs out of his theory. SCIENCE did not tell him that black skinned people are akin to apes.
Genesis makes better science/ history. IF you can accept that a God of Love and Light, powerful enough to create by speaking into being, would form from the earth a companion with free will who chose to sin knowing the consequences. That same God came to them to announce His plan for redemption after letting the consequences play out.
As for the questions of language and race? Genesis 11. The sloth making it to the ark? Genesis 6:20b. The slaughter of innocents? Sin is ugly and too many get caught in the consequences of others' free will to sin. I choose to believe Paul in Romans 8:18. And that's the point. We have free will to choose our path. I see evidence of a path that leads to this God of Love explained well in the book He left to guide all who choose. It takes as much study as any science but the truth unearthed is consistent throughout.
I thought that this organization espoused the love that Jesus taught. I see it in quotes at the bottom of the pages here. I did not see it in the comments above. If you disagree with others choice of god (as I am sure many do with mine) let them have the same freedom of will that you enjoy. Maybe reason together with them in hopes of agreeing. Then love them if they cannot agree. I have come to my conclusions after being blessed with 67yrs to search out truth. I have studied with 6 different faiths and gleaned from all of them, discarding the implausible or hateful. I am a nurse and no stranger to science. I choose Creator God.
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Chadley Martell Soules
Spirituality undergoes its own evolution as quantum uncertainty becomes deterministic timeline.
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David Ciambrone
Evangelicals have given christianity a bad name and image. Who cares if the evangelicals think Darwin was a racist? How is evolution racist? Because it weeds out the poor excuses for members of a species? Evangelicals are obviously NOT the smartest people and show act every opportunity just how stupid they are.
Evolution is real and it has been proven over and over again and those who say it is false are: Uninformed about it Blinded by their evangelical lies just stupid.
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Daniel Ginther
The scientific leader of Darwins theory for the last 3 decades is well known scientist Richard Dawkins. A British ethologist, evolutionary biologist, and author. He is an emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford, and was the University of Oxford's Professor for Public Understanding of Science from 1995 until 2008. This man knows and understands science and scientific facts more than most people, yet here is his quote from scientific magazine from a few years ago : There are no scientific facts to support the Theory of Evolution, we just know it to be true.
He is correct and sorry to you that you have been lied to but there are no scientific facts to support the theory, not one. You don't have to believe in God, you can hold out for another explanation but why ? There is a way to get eternal salvation, Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is lord, was Gods son, and God raised him from the dead you will be saved. It's the easiest thing you can ever do for something that is so wonderfully eternal, don't take that chance and make that mistake, no church is needed, no minister is needed, no water is needed all you need is your believing, it's easy, fast and permanently permanent, it can never be taken away ! God Bless
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Gary James Thomas Garrett
I'm just going to react to the headline and the article I skimmed over. Racism and Ken Ham were in it and that's all I needed to know. It is so sad that this "thesis" argument that arguing is a good thing is the circle argument. Some day some one will explain to me how there can be two sides to a circle, in the meantime it's always two sides talking in circles. The evolution "argument" has already been settled to the degree that anyone arguing against it is either willfully ignorant or does so to cause controversy and self promotion; Ken sees that racism is a big deal right now, so he'll play that card while it's "popular".
Even though Darwin was a racist, so what?, who isn't to some degree or another? Should we get rid of polio vaccine because someone finds Jonas Salks dirty little secret? Let's examine everyone's ancestors and see what we come up with and then we'll allow Dr. Ham to judge which information will be allowed to be believed.
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Richard Lee Cornell
Ken Ham another Q who thinks he can bring his fiction and replace facts with it.. If it was his way science would have been bury long ago. Medicine would have been left to those with chicken bones and blowing smoke. We would still have Polio, Small Pox and our yearly plagues. Clean water would not exist and even the airplane would have been banned as being devil works. Remember that science has kept most of us alive. Next time you go to the supermarket and see all the food on the shelves. Just take the meat market which lack flies on the meat and seen in third world countries. He has his right to be as stupid as he wants too. Just so he does not push it on anyone else.
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Robert Williams
Let's cancel the internet.
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Delphine S. Pillar
To really tackle racism we have to tackle the many pronged relatives off it. We have to start with the children and open their minds to the beauty and value of diversity and difference, that is what makes the human race strong. But the problem is deeply embedded in our culture and cultures around the world, not just America. There is economic bias, age bias, gender bias along with racism, caste, royalty and all that stuff. It would require a deep shift in our thinking from competitiveness, labeling, and more value placed on honoring all of us and the gifts we all have. To dump expectations and preconceptions and see each individual as the unique being that they are and encourage them to open and give those gifts to each other and humanity as a whole. How many fine minds and contributions are lost due to racism, bias of any kind? Mass media can be so destructive to the developing mind in some ways, the young are so vulnerable and many times without the proper guidance as parents and families struggle to survive. We need a deep cultural shift in this respect and perhaps concentrate not only on what can be accomplished working together, but on honoring and using each persons unique gift to the world. God has given everyone a gift, whether we see it or not. Our souls don't have a color, caste, or social class, God did not limit his creations like that, we by doing this do not honor the wonderful attributes and talents that we and others were given. I wonder what the world would be like if we all looked at each other and tried to find each others gifts and praise them. If like buried treasure we helped bring those offerings to light and helped that person use them.
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Rasiris
In my studies show be found that racists ideals had covered all areas. These bigoted theories need re-examining. These concepts are not based upon n religious nor spiritual concepts. They are flawed because of the personal agenda of certain people. Darwin was one.
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Christian
Give Thanks and Praise to GOD for our Saviour Christ Jesus, Yahshua Messiah, the witness to TRUTH...
And in Truth, our ancient records report the pre Great Cataclysm, Pre Flood, Pre Younger Dryas , Pre Ice Age civilizations were far more advanced than our current world.
Long, long ago in the second millennium Before Christ, the Sumerian Book of Kings recorded the life spans of the pre- Great Cataclysm Comet Impact on Greenland's ice sheets, leading to the Great Flood. The eight kings of Sumer ruled five cities for 241,000 years. The longest lived Sumer king named En-man-lu-Anna ruled for 43,200 years.
After the Great Comet impact into Greenland, and the sudden flood to cover much of the planet Earth, the homo sapiens that replaced the ancient races were limited in life, under 1,000 years - until now, when our sins have limited most of us to under 100 years.
And now, Thanks be to God, The Tree of Life is being rediscovered by humble men and women. Medications and gene therapy slows aging to just a Third of regular aging... Multiple researchers are using the most powerful computers & library sized loads of data to discover the CURE for aging... Yes, stay in your Prime for thousands of years...
This is not known to Mr. Darwin at his time, he was consumed with studying animals - but neglected to unearth the ancient lost civilizations that EASILY built up Stone Cities made of 40 ton, 60 ton, 100 ton blocks of solid stone.
Even now, we can marvel at lost cities older than all known history... The latest discoveries : ancient cities 10, 20, 30 kilometers off shore - out in the deep ocean... because they were built long long ago, before the floods, before the last Ice Age...
WHAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE SHALL ALL HAPPEN AGAIN.
Written by the Prophets, written in the stone calanders, in the fossil records, in the 900 meter deep cores from the oldest ice on Earth.
SNOW BALL EARTH 15,000 YEARS FROZEN mostly under miles of solid Ice.
And yet - LIFE not only continues, it grows stronger because of the deadly environment.
ARE YOU READY FOR THE END OF THE EARTH ?
Because you don't have to wait for the planet to freeze - Your Body Will Die. Ask Jesus into your Heart & Mind RIGHT NOW. Ask Jesus to be the Lord of your Life, to help you, to guide you, to Save YOU.
Planets come and go, Stars expand, explode, and die - but the Love of Our Father is Eternal.
Jesus Saves !
Jesus Lives !
Trust Jesus !THE LOVE OF GOD BLESS YOU NOW AND ALWAYS.
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Kevin Joseph Kervick
Darwin was obviously correct that there are biological differences among the races. Uncomfortable truths are still true.
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James Luis Arbona
Savages. Ben Franklin used the same term to explain to the continental congress that we the US should model a constitution similar to the Iroquois conservation created by the five Indian tribes of NY state. We know he was a racist on today’s terms but the word itself comes from France meaning “Untamed” also from the woods. Please can we get past wanted to cancel out and using whatever evidence we can no matter how small in order to do so. We are acting like savages, in today’s terms.
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James Luis Arbona
Savages. Ben Franklin used the same term to explain to the continental congress that we the US should model a constitution similar to the Iroquois conservation created by the five Indian tribes of NY state. We know he was a racist on today’s terms but the word itself comes from France meaning “Untamed” also from the woods. Please can we get past wanted to cancel out and using whatever evidence we can no matter how small in order to do so. We are acting like savages, in today’s terms.
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Daniel Ginther
The Theory of Evolution is devoid of facts and has been exposed as a fraud scientifically and legally by Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo. It's time to move on from Darwins nonsense. If you don't want to believe in God that's your business, but there's no such thing as micro-evolution, there is only De-volution which is a scientific law supported by the second law of Thermodynamics.
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Daniel Ginther
The scientific leader of Darwins theory for the last 3 decades is well known scientist Richard Dawkins. A British ethologist, evolutionary biologist, and author. He is an emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford, and was the University of Oxford's Professor for Public Understanding of Science from 1995 until 2008. This man knows and understands science and scientific facts more than most people, yet here is his quote from scientific magazine from a few years ago : There are no scientific facts to support the Theory of Evolution, we just know it to be true.
He is correct and sorry to you that you have been lied to but there are no scientific facts to support the theory, not one. You don't have to believe in God, you can hold out for another explanation but why ? There is a way to get eternal salvation, Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is lord, was Gods son, and God raised him from the dead you will be saved. It's the easiest thing you can ever do for something that is so wonderfully eternal, don't take that chance and make that mistake, no church is needed, no minister is needed, no water is needed all you need is your believing, it's easy, fast and permanently permanent, it can never be taken away ! God Bless
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Minister Chuck
Anyone who does not believe in Eveloution, has still not evolved! They are the same people who do not believe in Science, history or facts! Before thinking about removing Darwin, they should remove the fables they teach! Just like people say that the South & Rebel flag is hate, the funny thing is, they are the ones spreading hate & trying to erase history! To many hypocrits!
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Michael S Cope
Racism is what it is. A made up thing. Is he racist against people or animals? I believe he is in favor of smart people. Like the ones that know the world is round... ish. Then against stupid people. Like the ones that are on TV reality shows. There are humans There are animals Where is racism ?
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Rafael Picon
Darwin is not racist because he made distinction and drew evolutionary trees . In early civilization it was Africa that evolved much earlier than Europeans . It was much later that the Europeans caught up and surpassed African metaphysical concepts and introduced logic and reason . White racists of the 1800’s were hoping to use Darwinism to prove white superiority however what “ true archeologists “ found was that Africa was the cradle of civilization and all life sprung from there . The Bible on the other hand speaks of the chosen people and how the earths people affected the journey and mission of these chosen people . This is racism in its full glory
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Jack A Mabry
A person's works are far more important than their words, unless they're a poet or a writer. Established history can not be changed by a bunch of pathetic revisionists.
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Carl A. Hankins
Isn't the Darwin theory presented here a little off balance with the word racist being the main topic. All peoples have a hard time adjusting to "A greater belief". When different religions have different ways to worship they produce strife not togetherness. Even Israel sinned in such a place in their past. But mixing bloods has more problems to it than religions. There called generational sins or curses.Some are superstitions and others physical like the European problem of hemophilia, or Africa's sickle cell anemia. How can we get along without evolving ? We first have to have peace of mind and the ability to help. Otherwise there is no way to create a great nation willing to bow down to lesser nations. Darwin's mind lead us to many accomplishments but it has to be left in the carnal not the spiritual. The spirit doesn't change. It just lives in the presence of what's livable in that's pleasing to God. To us we must create a livable conscience to live in to be present in such a place.
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Rev. Jack Harte, DD, MscD
You can't judge anything from an earlier time using norms and standards from current times. My mother lived to be 95 years old. In her day, the polite term for an African American was "Colored." By the time she died it was considered a slur. Asians were called Oriental. That would be considered a slur today. In Darwin's days, those who lived in huts, wore animal skins, and hunted, were considered savage, because they were. If this guy wants to believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, then he clearly eschews science and will tend to vilify scientists. Let's not give this idiot any further credibility. By the way, you may recognize the name, Ham, this preacher's last name. According to Genesis, Ham was Noah's son, and he took advantage of Noah, if you know what I mean, while Noah was drunk. So there.
Actually, Darwin didn't discover evolution, either. He came up with natural selection, the most widely accepted theory to explain evolution, which was a phenomenon noted by some seventy different individuals, including biologists, geologists, horticulturists, physicians, clergymen, atheists, philosophers, teachers, and poets, between 1748 and 1859, the year that Darwin published "On the Origin of Species." Though the word "evolution" had not yet been coined, the concept was developed by a number of ancient Greek and Roman philosophers. Namely Anaximander, Empedocles, and Lucretius. Anaximander, for example, laid out a theory of evolution more than 2,000 years ago. There are indications that early Islamic scholars were aware of evolution, as well.
Thank you John, that was very helpful and clear.
John - Well stated. What a lot of people never learned, either, was that Charles Darwin's FATHER studied evolution as well.
Good semantic explanation