When their child was born prematurely, a devoutly religious Oregon couple decided to rely on faith healing instead of seeking medical care. Within hours, the child died. Now they're in handcuffs.
Parents Sarah and Travis Mitchell pled guilty this week to criminal charges relating to the death of their newborn. Authorities were first called to the Mitchell residence in March of last year after receiving reports of a dead newborn. A medical examiner arrived on the scene and discovered Sarah Mitchell lying in bed holding a deceased newborn in her arms.
What he didn't expect to find was a second newborn Mitchell had given birth to twins. The other child was alive, but in serious condition. The medical examiner pleaded with the parents to take their baby to the hospital. "Thank you for your input," was the only response he got.
Despite it being in desperate need of medical attention, the Mitchells refused to take their baby to get proper care. The child died hours later.
Putting Faith in God Consequences Be Damned
The Mitchells are members of Followers of Christ Church, a fundamentalist Christian sect with a supremely dark history. For decades, the Oregon chapter has rejected traditional medicine outright and put their faith in God to heal all of their ills an extreme version of a practice known as faith healing.
"They believe that God heals, which all Christians believe, but they take it a step further, thinking that God always heals," explains religion columnist Jonathan Merritt.
However, based on their morbid track record, God's light has not shone particularly brightly on the Followers of Christ Church. In fact, local authorities have documented a long history of children living in the sect receiving insufficient care for serious medical issues and frequently paying the ultimate price for their parents' beliefs.
Back in the late '90s, local newspaper The Oregonian conducted an extensive review of church records and found that 78 children had been buried in the Followers of Christ Church cemetery between the years 1955 and 1998. Of those 78 children, medical experts concluded that at least 21 of the children could have been saved with proper medical care.
The Church of Child Killing
The Mitchells are far from the only parents in the sect to face consequences for rejecting modern medicine. In fact, they are now the fifth couple involved with Followers of Christ Church to be hit with criminal charges relating to death of a child.
"For far too long, children in this church have been needlessly suffering and dying because their parents, as a condition of their religious beliefs, have refused to seek medical care for their children," said the Clackamas County District Attorney's Office.
Listening to former members of the sect which some describe as more akin to a cult an alarming picture emerges. "They have their own graveyard, and it's just full of children," reveals Myrna Cunningham, who used to belong to Followers of Christ Church. "There shouldn't have been that many children who died. It's terrible."
Why Is Faith Healing Still a Thing?
There's nothing wrong with putting faith in a higher power to help solve a problem, and prayer certainly has a place in our society. But when a life is in danger and there are clear alternatives proven to work, it's time to put the scripture aside and let the professionals step in. Especially if that life belongs to an innocent child.
Yet time and time again, religious parents have proven senselessly stubborn on the matter of medical care, believing that God will save their child - right up until He doesn't.
How many more children must be sacrificed on the altar of faith healing?
Given that theistic religions are based solely on faith while medicine, on average, has been proven to be effective, I can understand why these "parents" are to be sent to prison. I pity them in prison, given that, like with child molesters, they are not likely to have a pleasant time incarcerated, but focused on by the rest of the prison population.
Agree. God helps those that help themselves, as the saying goes. They had no faith in medicine, which is real, but faith in the supernatural.
So, no day so over your own children? You must vaccinate, feed them what the govt says dress them like they say, teach them what they say, and only what they say! So who's children are they and how often are they wrong? Right , this country must stick to the constitution on the govt side and the church on the religious side. Or let it completely mix.
James if you think parents should have the right to put their kids lives at risk because of archaic writings from centuries past then I fear for any kids in your custody.
And vaccinations should not be optional. Though I am hazarding a guess that you buy into all the BS conspiracy nonsense and hyperbole that they are highly risky and likely to cause issues proven to be genetic and inherited.
NO, now, there have been proven cases where vaccinations CAUSE some illness and death. The problem is usually contamination of the base of the vaccine(s) rather than the targeted disease being injected. This is a quote from Health Impact News:
"The NVICP was started as a result of a law passed in 1986 that gave pharmaceutical companies total legal immunity from being sued due to injuries and deaths resulting from vaccines.
Drug manufacturers in the vaccine market can now create as many new vaccines as they desire, with no risk of being sued if their product causes injury or death."
Now, if their vaccines aren't causing illness, injury, or death, why do they need total immunity, with no risk of being sued?
The above is based on a report from the Department of Justice issued today, Jul 24, 2018. The following is from https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/03/bob-sears/what-cdc-statistics-say-about-vaccine-illnesses-in/
"Every year in the United States between 3,000 and 4,500 severe vaccine reactions are reported to the Centers for Disease Control. Not mild reactions. Severe reactions that land somebody in the hospital, the intensive care unit or cause a permanent disability or death."
— Bob Sears on Monday, February 2nd, 2015 in an interview on CNN____
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does maintain a database of reported cases of adverse reactions to vaccines. It’s called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS for short.
...2014 VEARS data, which covers reports processed as of Dec. 14, 2014. VAERS data shows (as of Feb. 3, 2015):
1,244 cases of people reported hospitalized 416 cases of people reporting a disability 122 reported deaths 388 reported life-threatening cases
Year--Cases of reported hospitalization, disability, deaths or life-threatening illness
2014-1,737 2013-1,837 2012-1,934 2011-2,045 2010-2,570 " (there is more but similar).
The next paragraph is from me:
The most frightening thing is that over 80% of our vaccines are supposed to be coming from China. I have nothing against China, but I do not think we should trust them with something like this. Also, no one has died of measles here for years, but over 100 people have died from measles vaccinations. The popularity and efficacy of flu shots? Just based on my own observation and experience-- zero. I never take them, and I am sick less often than those who do. Also, now, vaccinations are being bundled.
This is from http://fearlessparent.org/do-vaccines-cause-cancer/--
"•Every single state mandates vaccines as a condition of daycare and school admission. •The vaccine schedule has never been tested as administered for safety or efficacy. •Children are sicker than ever — with chronic, autoimmune, neurodevelopmental disorders that are through the roof and of “unknown etiology” (i.e., no one knows why). •Incidence of all chronic pediatric conditions escalated after we sharply increased the number of vaccines.
This doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t disprove anything either. More to the point, it does not validate what we are doing. "
That last line is very important. It doesn't validate what we are doing. People like to bitch about big pharma. Who do you think lobbied to make it "mandatory" (it is not) in so many states?
The idea of a vaccine is great, but if you get one, and it is effective, you don't need to worry whether I got one or not.
Good for you John. All it takes is research, the information is out there for anyone to read. The vaccines have not been studied or tested (except on our children) and there is no reason for most of them. Just talk with parents of a vaccine injured, or worse a dead child, and the fear and the need to know becomes too real. You begin to research and OMG! The information is there, if you are interested enough to look and find it. Doctor's lives have been ruined for trying to bring this information forward. Then there are those who get paid big money for pushing vaccinations in their practice. This country is killing their children, other countries have banned so many of the practices that cause illness and death to children and mothers. This information is available also. People need to get their heads out of the sand and RESEARCH what is being injected into our babies!!
“This vaccine has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potentials or impairment of fertility.”
This phrase or one similar can be found on just about every vaccine package insert and should be justification for any reasonable person to decline vaccination.
I knew you were a nut, but I am LOVING that you're an vax-conspiracy theorist. When I first saw your comments some months ago, I was cautious to mention how nuts you seemed, because it could have been my interpretation of the disagreement in our views. Now I know you are certified bonkers. It's not just that we disagree, it's that you're ridiculous.
Ben, I have shown you to be retarded on more than one occasion. If you can objectively disprove anything I just said, I'd like to see it, but since you are a moron who thinks because you have hitched your little caboose to the leftist train that make you smart, the most you will come up with is nothing. I suggest you stop trying to pick arguments with someone smarter and meaner than you who is not bothering you.
correction: "..that makes you smart..."
How is name calling and the use of terms like “retard” allowed on this site? Certainly we should be above that type of behavior.
Thank you Janice!! I read this exchange in disbelief!
Oh yeah, Y'all are just all high and mighty with your acrimony. You will sit and say nothing when leftists call names like bonkers and nut, and ridiculous, and troll and ignorant and misogynist and xenophobe and racist, and then when a NORMAL person says RETARDED, you get your little knickers in a twist. Blow it out your ear! Nobody cares.
So to John using the word retarded is much the same as other hateful words that where used in the past like the N-word and others. I say this from what to you is the most important source first hand I am a person that has dyslexia and dyscalculia which are learning disabilities not the same as a learning handicap, which in the past was described as being mentality retarded, however many people have used the same way that you are to try and wound someone by say that a person who has a learning handicap is less of a person.
Next if vaccines do not work or are ineffective then why has no one that you know of had smallpox or polio and the rates of measles are on the decrease. https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination I know that you will not change you mind about vaccines because you feel that you know all you need to, however when it's cases of preventable harm coming to children because someone says that their god told them thousands of years ago that all thing will be help with him well then what gave the people the idea to try something as strange as taking puss from a cowpox and jabbing it into the arm of someone and hoping it will prevent them from getting sick with smallpox's.
Eric. I have a very highly intelligent friend with dyslexia. The word retard means slow. In music, "ritardo". Slow to learn. That has nothing to do with dyslexia. Ben tries to pretend he knows things and has done research, but the research he cites does not support what he claims it does. I have showed him he needs to keep quiet when I am talking, unless he has a question. I did not say this in a vacuum.
Now, as far as anyone getting their panties in a twist because I said I SHOWED Ben to be retarded (SLOW TO LEARN), I don't give a crap. The only time any of you MIND calling names is when someone who disagrees with you calls a name, and then you get all sniffly and butt-hurt. If one of YOU calls a name, it's just passionately defending your point of view, and totally justified, so blow it out your backside.
By the way, BEN CALLED ME A NUT, you freaking hypocrites.
It is so refreshing to see someone that has researched and knows what they are talking about. Keep up the knowledge sharing and maybe people will wake up to reality. There are so many other countries with healthier children and mothers because they do not follow the ridiculous vaccine schedule and their government is not bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies. READ ABOUT IT, READ THE VACCINE INSERTS, READ PEER REVIEWED MEDICAL JOURNALS, READ ABOUT VACCINES ON THE CDC WEBSITE!!!!!! EVERYTHING JOHN is saying is there for anyone to find out.
NO WAY VACCINCES BE OPPTIONAL ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS. IF YOUR CHILD IS NOT GOTTEN HIS HER SHOTS DO NOT BRING THAT CHILD TO SCHOOL CHURCH SHOPPING ECT. YOU ARE PUTTING YOURCHILD AT EXTREME RISKS AND OTHERS. IT LIKE DRIVING WITH THREE FLAT TIRES AT 199 MILES AN HOUR JUST HOW STUPID CAN A PERSON BE,
Religion and government don't have to mix however any religion must live within the legal boundaries defined by the country/government. So, if your religious beliefs allow circumstances to prevail which ultimately create a loss of life, the law of the land in which you live can determine whether those actions are legal or not. In the United States, it is not legal to purposefully allow someone to die, including for religious beliefs. In Iran, for example, or or any other country where religion and government are combined it may be legal.
Once again Lin, the voice of calm reason.
James...if you live your life strictly according to laws, you tend to live in fear...Peace...Tom
James, state and church are like oil and water. You have your beliefs and I have mine. But sometimes neither of us are right and we need a neutral party to step in and do what is humanly right and correct. If one believes that god is all knowing and all good then he has created all the things that which are good and safe for us and save us from disease and have given us the people with the skills to save us. So, why should a parent smart enought to understand this, be willing to let their child die knowing that their god has provided all these incredible things for them?
Absolutely the worst consequence of the stupidity of faith in manifestly intangible nonsense - the taking of another innocent life.
What these people fail to realize is that God put doctors here to prepare the body for healing but that God ultimately performs the actual healing.
We are all instruments of God, brothers and sisters of Christ, whom we have the power to heal, as Christ had, with the Holy Spirit in our hearts. The environment from ancient times is not the same as today’s; ergo, Medical staff are God’s intruments to prepare, as Clake Mahany said, the image of God to be cured by our collective Holy Spirit and the The Grace of our Creator. Healing does happen, it is what it should.
These people deserve to be locked up! What part of “Gods plan” did they miss? God does heal, but sometimes that healing is through an intermediary AKA, Doctors!
Where does religious freedom begin and end? Where does the "state" begin and end? While I don't agree with this particular parental choice, I believe a few things here: "The state should not interfere with a religious organization", and "A religion should not interfere with the obligations of the state".
Where's the issue then? Well, we're, however, caught in a terrible position when we're dealing with a religious organization whose intention is causing harm or death to others in or outside their flock under whatever circumstances come to mind. Killing, as is outlined in most religious texts and matters of state, is wrong. Harming, as is outlined in most religious texts and matters of state, is also wrong. In most religious texts, it's the job of a God to judge, and sometimes that judgement involves mild emotional pain to death through direct or indirect means; and, in matters of state, we have "justifiable harm and death" brought by men. Again, I don't agree with how people think and feel about their place in the universe, but these are the big parts of the issue.
So, how then is it that parents believe its alright to let a child die when modern medicine can help save that child? Well, I'm sure the parents felt much grief that God did not answer their prayers through faith healing as hoped. However, declining medical treatment for a loved one based upon religious grounds isn't illegal in most cases where we're talking about. Again, here, I'd do whatever it took to save a life, but that's me; religion and faith are complex, difficult, and hard.
If we begin to draw lines with this couple, then it opens some serious issues for the US. How, for example, do we treat Jehovah Witnesses (not one myself, but am versed to speak of them)? Do we, for example, tell a Jehovah Witness that their child must get a blood transfusion or risk imprisonment? I think not.
It's hard to hear about a child who dies who doesn't know the world. It tares me up inside. However, as someone that is ordained for different religions, I must be open-minded to some degree of the philosophies of conduct for others. If I'm not, then I might be encouraging a Police State in the future, in which I don't have certain rights such as: "The right to refuse life support on spiritual and or personal beliefs".
In any nation, there must be some type of overarching governance that applies to all of these religions and all of the people who live here, otherwise we would have insanity. It would mean in one town it's legal to allow a sick child to die because that's their religious beliefs but if you go to another town, you can sacrifice animals in public because that's their belief. So as I stated in a prior comment, you can have freedom of religion and make your decisions based on those beliefs, however in order for a particular society to have a common system that brings organization to all of these beliefs within the same country, you need laws, governance and regulations. Each believer must understand that those laws are applicable to all residents of their country. Laws do not take away their rights, but allow them to live peacefully among so many others who have rights to their beliefs as well.
This tragedy reminds me of an old story about a flood, and a man trapped on his roof. First a boat came and the person in the boat pleaded with the man to get in, but the man refused, saying God would save him. I forget what the next rescue attempt was, but the third and last was a helicopter, with the same result, “God will save me.” The man drowned, got to heaven, and asked God “Why didn’t you save me?” God replied, “I sent you a boat, (the other thing I can’t remember), and a helicopter. What more did you want?”
None of this is humorous, but the principle is the same. I’m an atheist myself, but if you believe in God, you should accept that the “help” you seek may come in an unexpected form.
Yes, I've heard that story. It's a good one. Some people are very thick headed or just plain dumb. They just don't get it and the little ones have to suffer because of it. Very sad.
hsw...you make a very good point...many people do not realize that everything on earth is the result of God...unfortunately many religious groups pick and choose as to what should be attributed to God, and in these instances of children being sick the parents elect to decide themselves what God wants, instead of accepting that medical help is available because of God...Peace...Tom
This is the exact story I thought of when I read about these people saying God will heal and letting their child die, rather than allowing an available physician to save the child's life.. If there is a religious leader who advised them NOT to call a doctor, he should be sharing a cell with the parents. Yes ""james", the government sometimes crosses the line over parental rights, but first priority should ALWAYS be the welfare of the child.
God does heal. AKA Love heals. Love must be present & in tune. Were their intentions to avoid $$$ medical costs? Where were the parents heads? Unknown variables.
For those unaware so called christian science starts the brainwashing very young. For example look up a TV series called genesis 7. The false science and hate directed at real science will make you want to drink bleach to wash your brain of the memory of it afterwards.
You need to do all you can do that means putting faith in God that means going to a physician and seeking out his help as well let me know what the rest of you think
Jesus did not need pain killers for he had faith in God that he would not suffer pain when he had root canal done. Every male over 50 has a good chance of getting prostate cancer. Ever female over 30 has a good chance of getting breast cancer. Has anyone ever gotten a Polio shot and if you did what ever happen to your faith in God. Get real folks if you relay on your God to protect you from death your having a bad dream.
I believe a physician is God's hands on Earth why couldn't he works or position
Faith without works is dead. Simple prayers won't cut the mustard. They don't usually even work as well as casting spells. There is truly such a thing as a faith healer, but this is not simply a religious person who heals simply by believing that faith heals. These are well trained practitioners of various forms of faith healing practices and techniques who have studied their particular technique for years, such as reiki for example (which could be what Jesus practiced). Even such healers in this country need to be licensed or at least certified. And even when using such a professional faith healer it should be used secondarily to proven healthcare of a kind which is acceptable in the community wear the sufferer resides. And in the USA that's known as medical doctors and hospitals. .
Too many people seem to think that the X-Files are real, and that even extraterrestrial robots heal through mere belief. Just saying.
Just saying what? Please . . . ?
Many years ago I was in the Philippines on vacation with my former wife who was born and raised there and spoke Tagalog fluently, we were invited to witness actual faith healing as done by a "psychic healer" named Alexander Orbitu. He treated people behind a glass wall. I actually watched him treat a number of people from Stanford University who came to be healed. He actually put his hand in a persons body after doing a reading on her and speaking with her and I saw him pull strings of tumors like a bead of grape size and larger pearls from her body. Bloodless surgery. It was real and amazing because when these ladies went back to their Stanford to see their doctors, they were cancer free. God truly does work in mysterious ways.
Gary...i also know about Alex Orbito, through reading Shirley MacLaine and Chris Griscom...psychic surgery is real, but the focus is very difficult...you were fortunate to be able to see it in action...naturally the AMA and drug companies are not fans of this life-saving method, so it is hard to get more information...in a sense, it is akin to teleportation...Peace...Tom
This may very well be true, but the faith healer is acting as a doctor would. The healer is working through "the powers that be" as, so often, the medical doctor does. The person to be healed must step up to allow the practitioner to do their thing. Children don't have that option. They are subject to the insanity of adults.
Faith healing is still an individual taking some action to treat an illness. Passively allowing a child to die because you think God will do everything without any action from you is murder.
Spoken with God's guidance, LIn - absolutely.
Oh, good Lord no no NO!!! These so-called "psychic surgeons" are a FRAUSD! They are shameless! First they release a small bladder of blood onto the skin. Then they "jam their hand ionside" but if yoy see it from the BACK, yiou see that actually they have just folded their fingers. NOTE that they NEVER go "in" deeper than the knuckles!!... and then they drack a concealed egg shell filled with hair, blood and chicken guts, and pretend to draw this yuck out throught he supposed "incision" (which is CONCEALED by the spilled and puddled blood!) and lastly they wipe the blood away to expose "miraculously" intact skin!!! They are a FAKE and a FRAUD! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjF1sUZEy2U James Randi has been debunking this sort of scam for decades. For full gross descriptions and instructions on HOW to do "psychic surgery, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ElzxjoLbmo
5+ years ago I had a faith healer assist in a scapula pain while in a public park. It has been 6 years & it never returned. Faith healing Does work.. But it must go hand in hand w/ a full spectrum of approaches. The recipient, the sender & some training MUST be part. Ever wonder why some prayers appear to go unanswered? They failed to set the stage, failed to be in tune w/ universal love / law. Omission of other resources is a no-no.
You are a rube and a gullible fool.
I never hear about medical professionals going to prison for medical malpractice. How are these poor misguided ignorants more guilty?
John...that is a very good point...Peace...Tom
Because medical malpractice is a tort, not a criminal offense. The parents actions were intentional and willful, a physician making an error usually is not.
I can see how some crimes can constitute a tort. But can a tort in any form hold a criminal basis ?
J...yes...for example, assault is both a civil and criminal act...Peace...Tom
The Gov (FDA) approved system that states "only a drug can prevent or cure". A system designed to benefit corp & gov run drug dealers called Dr's. It is illegal to prescribe an orange to cure scurvy. The insurances co will pay $0.00 as it is NOT approved by the government. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html ... The stress of the "DO NO HARM" oath they take to get a licence & the "system" laws... This is what they do when poo hits the fan... https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20180508/doctors-suicide-rate-highest-of-any-profession .. Yes, there are Dr that do get the privilege of dropping the soap.
Liar. Many cures involve things other than drugs: radiation for cancer, surgery, splints, casts, braces, changein diet or lifestyle. you are a fool.
"Coinciding with the ever-increasing vaccine schedule are soaring rates of chronic illness in children, including cancer, which has skyrocketed and is now the leading cause of death by disease in children past infancy.
Government authorities refuse to acknowledge any link between cancer and vaccination, but could injecting toxic chemicals repeatedly into our children, especially at critical intervals in their development be causing cancer in so many?
Toxic Vaccine Ingredients You Need to Know About
Formaldehyde – There is sufficient evidence from cancer studies in humans proving the carcinogenetic effects of this ingredient. Both the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the International Agency for Research on Cancer admit formaldehyde is a known carcinogen.
Millions of children receive injections annually containing this toxic ingredient.
Is it a coincidence that formaldehyde has been associated with leukemia and that the number one cancer in children is leukemia?
Mercury Is In Vaccines Too – Mercury is a known carcinogen and for many years children received up to 237 micrograms (mcg) from vaccines during the first two years of life. This far exceeds the EPA’s recommended safe (to ingest, not inject), level of 1/10th of 1 microgram per kilogram a day.
A rabbit will die if given 35 mcg of mercury.
Thimerosal, which is in many vaccines, is a mercury-containing compound that is 50 times more toxic than plain mercury! The CDC claims to have removed “most” thimerosal from common pediatric vaccines, leaving only “trace amounts.”
There are NO safe amounts of mercury established for humans and yet, children receive combined vaccines that can build up mercury in the body and cause potential problems.
Aluminum, Yep, It’s In There Too – The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved aluminum for use as an adjuvant in human vaccines to boost immune response. Aluminum is harmful to all life forms.
The FDA limits the dosage to 0.85 milligrams per vaccine to minimize exposure; but children receive other vaccines at the same time that also contain aluminum.
The American Academy of Pediatrics admits that aluminum interferes with many cellular and metabolic processes in the body’s nervous system and tissues.
Repeated exposure to aluminum can have damaging effects and yet children receive repeated injections during the recommended vaccine schedule. Studies with mice have demonstrated a transient rise in aluminum levels in brain tissue. Aluminum is also widely associated with breast cancer.
What is Polysorbate 80? – Polysorbate 80 is a toxic substance that should never be ingested or placed on the skin, much less injected, and yet it is in vaccines. Studies with lab rats show Polysorbate 80 has both carcinogenic and infertility effects.
Yet, it’s ironic that this carcinogenic ingredient is found both in Merck’s cancer vaccine, Gardasil, and is also used in chemotherapy given to cancer patients.
Recombinant DNA – A Biohazard? – Speaking of Gardasil, genetically modified HPV DNA, which had firmly attached itself to aluminum, was found in blood samples of a 13 year old girl who became chronically ill following her third dose of the vaccine. Could Recombinant HPV DNA cause human cell mutations and cancer?
While searching for the reason why adolescent girls were suffering such severe side effects after receiving the Gardasil vaccine, Dr. Sin Hang Lee, of Sane Vax, Inc., found that the vaccine was contaminated with rDNA of the Human Papillomavirus. This rDNA from both strains of HPV in the vaccine were firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant. This now reaches the level of a “dangerous biohazard.” This rDNA is not natural and is genetically modified. Now the girls who received the contaminated vaccine, have human DNA as well as genetically engineered viral DNA in their bodies. When recombinant DNA is inserted into a human cell, it could stay forever and cause mutations; the results could be catastrophic.
SV40 (Simian Virus) Responsible for Cancer Cases – In the 1950s, Rhesus Monkey kidney cells containing SV40 were used to grow the polio virus. Dr. Maurice Hilleman, MD, a renowned scientist who developed Merck’s vaccine program and dozens of vaccines, made astounding revelations to the public that Merck had been injecting this dangerous virus into people worldwide.
Even after the US government knew about contamination, they allegedly continued to inject children with the contaminated vaccine until the 1990s.
SV40 is known to cause different types of cancers in laboratory animals including mesotheliomas, lymphomas and brain cancers.
A study in The New England Journal of Medicine, found that mothers who received the Salk polio vaccine had brain tumors at a rate “13 times greater” than mothers who received no vaccine!"
Exactly.... We visit / share the same link on cancers. Few ppl wish to hear it as the FDA law read. Only a drug can prevent or cure. The 3 main Mental, Spiritual, Emotional and Physical causes / conditions that permit a state of cancer to exist... 1, Cellular De-oxygenation, 2, Internal cellular fermentation & 3, Internal cellular acidification.
Wow. Don't you just love john owens? What a God sent. I think he quoted some fact of 144 deaths attributed to vaccinations in your country. Yet every service man and women is injected with chemicals prior to deployment overseas. Nearly all that return suffer conditions explicitly from those chemicals. Then your murder toll each year is higher than your road death toll.
Invest your hearts in Gods' work not your money. God gave us these wonderful folk who work tirelessly to protect all of us. Our doctors, nurses and armed forces. Occasionally they get things wrong.
Pray for those who do.
Thank you for bringing up the murder toll. Most are committed by vaccinated people. I didn't just mention DEATH either you hack. Apparently you are so brainwashed, you can't read, and also you cannot do arithmetic.
Now tell us, pray tell, how many die each year from medical malpractice?
Guess I was talking to a zombie.
Occasionally get things wrong? LOL. Government licenced, Gov regulated Dr's, nurses, armed forces, etc? Shall have to respectfully differ there. There has been 10,000's of Class actions where government approved something. IE: food coloring. The FDA approves the same chemical after the MFG'er modified it a few % points. Fen Fen banned 10 + years ago is still on the Mkt under different names & oh how ever slightly modified. Antifreeze, illegal to dump. BUT Round-up is safe. Now we have more class actions on that. Nuke plants is a clean safe / energy? Now we live in a radio active world as they keep leaking. Kinda like building a house w/ no toilet. Cell phone, smart meter & other positive ionizing energies are safe. Brain tumors at an all time high. All government approved. In the 1960. The government said plastics are a wave of the future and are safe. The gov approved / let the dumping of 55 gal drums of nuke waste in the oceans. Google it. Sodium Fluoride MSDS ... http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927595 . Put it SF the water, oral products & food supply & Gov claims it magically becomes "safe". Some one wants to start cleaning up the various Pacific garbage patches. The Gov said "NO". It will disturb the marine life that has formed on it. Of all the chemicals, pesticides approved by Gov? We now have dead zones forming in the oceans from the run off & human activity... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology) . Watch a documentary called "Do no harm"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyeC9IiFKpw ... Ok, I think the point is made. In the past 250 years we have destroyed this planet more than the 4.5 billion years all rolled together.
I find it amazing that there are so many religions that include or exclude God's capabilities at their convenience. I grew up being educated in Catholic schools and, despite what many people incorrectly believe, I was educated that God created everything. That means God created medicine for the human benefit. God created the heavens, the Earth, the animals, and the theory of Evolution through the great intelligence of one of his human creations. If you truly believe in the greatness of God, then all of these ideas can live and survive together. Throughout my education we were able to combine learning about the greatest inventions of Science and Technology and ascribe all of them to the ultimate genius and power of our creator. So I learned all kinds of theories in science and religion and received an incredible, well-rounded education. Therefore, anyone who applies a belief system which in some way deletes the ultimate greatness of all of God's creations is doing so at their own convenience and ignorance, not to the glory of their creator.
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So...if she killed the baby in the womb in a very violent death, its would be OK. But praying for Gods grace is a jail sentence? Although it did not go as planned. The hypocrisy of our society amazes me. On the other hand, God has blessed our Doctors and nurses with amazing abilities and we should take advantage of the blessing. Gods healing may come through the Dr or the Nurse.
@ Jeff... Some good words there. Love works in mysterious ways. But to perform faith healing one must be in tune w/ universal love and know what they are doing. This couple was out of tune, out of touch & (IMHO) untrained & threw fate to the wind at the 12th hour. There is a lot of illogical actions to the ways of humans.
The question that is before us is simple, do you solely trust God with your child's health or do you trust science? Lets go back to the Bible for this. I have to say it must be both. According to the Bible, human beings are made in the image and likeness of God, by God right ? So, if you believe that God inspires his children and gives them the insight to create wonderful things, then you must believe that God saw that some illnesses cause humanity great harm, and He gave them Divine inspiration to create tests, medicines and vaccines that would help His children survive and prosper in the world that He gave them to live in. At first it was primitive medicines, and as time went on it was more complex drugs and treatments without which the majority of humanity would by now have ceased to be here. I believe that God wants to hear from all of us consistently, not just when we need things. Being thankful for everything that He gives us from the ground we walk on , the sir we breath, each and every sunrise and set that we see. This is important in both the good times as well as the bad. We trust in God and call upon Him when family members are very ill, but we must understand. While God always answers our prayers, we do not always get the answers we want. In cases where we call upon Him for healing, we must accept the fact that He has already given all of us the capacity to heal by way of medical treatments that He Himself inspired in humanity. He gives us the strength to go forward and deal with the adversity. These medicines and doctors are not tools of the devil, but they are in fact gifts from God Himself. Depending on ministers who condemn medical treatments may seem acceptable to some, but how can anyone reject the gifts of science that God has blessed us with.
I agree in principle, as per my Jully 12 post...refusing to consider medicine (sometimes it is good; sometimes not) is placing human judgment before that of God...Peace...Tom
I am solely science based so I have no sympathy for these two. Very irresponsible and just naive and dumb.
Solely science? Cherry picked by humans? What type of science may this be? Meta-science. Science of the metaphysical mind? The science of epigenitic energies & life force? There are copious forms of energies in motion. They MUST go hand in hand & work as a mutual collective to fully understand the science of existence.
TheAnatiChrist...respectfully, all sciences come from God...Peace..Tom
All science & math comes from the laws of love (Lord / God) . How humans twists the results & manipulate the findings so they can meter & sell the alleged "cure" is another thing.
I spent 43 years in law enforcement and since retiring I now have a family law practice. Part of my law enforcement assignments was investigating cults (satanic and others). It is amazing the lack of common sense prevailed in most of those investigations. People certainly have a right to believe in whatever they choose no matter how bizarre it is by the constitution (1st amendment). Laws were designed to protect people including children that have parents that violate the law by rationalizing their behavior based on religion. I have homicide cases where the victim(s) was killed based on a religious beliefs. It is sad as most traditional religions were based on improving peoples lives not destroy them. Then there are those...
Well stated... Egotistical phaneron to justify how they wish to be.
There are consequences to exercising one's religious rights.
I actually thought that faith healing went away with the steamboat. I live on the east coast, I don't see too many of these cases occurring here. Having faith can be a good thing, IF you also have common sense to know that "G-O-D" isn't going to poof the illness away.
Faith VS. Stupidity. Medical care and knowledge is a gift from the Divine. We do not live in caves huddled over the fire anymore. Lets all get with it and realize that faith moves forward in time, and we hopefully move forward as well. The welfare of a child (who is not of legal age to make decisions for themselves) is priority, and parents rights are superseded if they put that child at risk. Simple truth in law.
One of the primary causes of death in this country is getting an infection while in the hospital, but people still go to hospitals. Western medicine often is not a panacea for all ills. People die after being treated by a dr. or on the operating room table but no one goes to prison. I don’t know what, if any, punishment is appropriate for this couple. I spent 11 years as a Christian Scientist and witnessed and experienced many “miraculous” healings. And yet when my son’s temperature reached 105 degrees when he was 18 mos old, I caved and gave him Tylenol and left the church. I am grateful for my Christian Science years and I believe in spiritual healing; I just felt I wasn’t up to the challenge but believe and know that many people are.
Miracle healing? What is a miracle? A term coined by humans to force acceptance of an unknown manifestation where science is unable (or unwilling) to offer clear reasonings. All miracles are explainable when the biblical teachings are read as a spiritual teaching aid & understood. Science & religion should go hand-N-hand. Kinda like a UFO... Only a UFO until ID'ed. Follow the domino & butterfly effect of all energies that are or were linked to the event. Destiny or miracle? Accident or intentional ? The term miracle is only a description of an even to satisfy ones brain. 105 in a child can be ok as long as there are no seizures or vomiting. But seek care ASAP. You did the right thing. I would have dipped the child in a tub of cool water & seeked a natural-path.
God gave us the miracle of medicine that they prayed for. They did not use His gift to the child's benefit and lost the child.
Nothing man-made is perfect of course so the cautions I read here are understandable. BUT . . . God is present in all creation without separation. To reject any aspect is to reject that part of the Universal Gift we call Life . . . reject God. In that way, we cancel our prayers.
We can rightly pity those in ignorant faith and the doom it brings, but be ever mindful of the "beam in our own eye".
The government allows the murdeeof the unborn and the murder of elderly. This seems like an arbitrary line to draw .
Two hands working accomplish infinitely more than two million hands praying.
what is required is an assessment of is the treatment worse than the cure. prayer in conjunction with treatment is the best impo way to achieve the best result's. altho serious consideration of whatever treatment will be required and it's consequences. in my own life a treatment i decided to discard was lisenopril for blood pressure. i cut it out of my treatment plan because i found it to be making me miserable. i switched to an alternative and my results were great feeling better and quality of life is huge to me. even if the result is i may live a little bit shorter life.
gonna be a lot shorter. enjoy your stroke, fool.
It's worth nothing that they plead guilty, meaning they might understand or accept that they committed a crime and murdered their own child. It could be a way to reduce prison sentencing, but legally it is all an admission of wrongdoing.
I hope these two do understand the cruel and needless death of their child is purely on them, that they bear sole and complete responsibility for their death, and accept that they are subject to legal prosecution and punishment. Indeed, I hope every one of us understands this, since it is clear as day.
"They asked God for a miracle and He ignored them"....hmmm....how do we know He ignored them? Maybe He heard them quite plainly, but it wasn't in His Plan to do what they were asking. People can be a bit arrogant on this point. God's the one in control. Just because one asks, doesn't mean one gets; might even mean that He responds, but in a way we hadn't previously considered.
Pastor Deb...i agree...too many people take "refuge" in laws, without considering that while people made the laws, God makes the people...whether it is called karma or anything else, laws are only a speck in the matrix of our existence...Peace...Tom
God blessed us with the knowledge for advanced medicine use the tools God has given us. Medicine and science it is God that gives us the intelligence and will to do good to help others.
Faith healing? Its good & IS a viable option to standard medical care. BUT in understanding the events that lead up to the premature birth & then at the 12th hr invoking faith / prayer? From the bit seen, read or reverse-engineered on the matter. The young neophytes are in no position to perform faith healing. I'm in NO favor of government run medicine. In no favor of drugs. Advanced medicine? LOL. Humans are backwards in health when the FDA laws state "Only a drug can prevent or cure". Unfortunately as it may be, thats the "system" we live in. In a case of dire emergency or where one is a neophyte in matters? GET MEDICAL HELP. Do what need to be done to get one over the hump from ppl that know way more than you. Then shift into a natural-path, faith or other forms of health. Being preg in todays polluted / unhealthy world? At bear minimum get a holistic Dr lined up to keep options open. As sad as it may be. I think they were "legally" negligent.