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Should Christian wedding vendors have to offer their services to same-sex couples?

Christian wedding photographers can’t be compelled to photograph gay weddings if it goes against their religious convictions, a Kentucky judge just ruled.

Per the judge, the city of Louisville cannot enforce a nondiscrimination ordinance they passed in 1999 preventing discrimination on the basis of sexuality against a wedding photographer who says her Christian beliefs prevents her from photographing the unions of same-sex couples.

But LGBTQ advocacy groups are incensed, arguing that the ruling is blatantly discriminatory, and violates the city’s own anti-discrimination laws both local and nationwide, as well as moral decency.

LGBTQ Couples Out of the Picture

The photographer in question, Chelsey Nelson, joins a long list of Christian wedding vendors who’ve challenged anti-discrimination laws which make it illegal for them to serve same-sex couples. Every wedding vendor you can think of, including bakers, invitation designers, florists, and even venues have all had their day in court, often successfully defending their right to refuse service to LGBTQ nearlyweds.

Now wedding photographers join their ranks. Kentucky wedding photographer Chelsey Nelson has been fighting Louisville’s antidsicrimination ordinance since 2019, tackling its legality despite never being charged with violating it. Nevertheless, she just scored a major legal win. U.S. District Judge Benjamin Beaton recently ruled that the city cannot force her to shoot weddings for couples when their very marriage violates her Christian belief that marriage should solely be between a man and a woman.

In his judgment, Beaton stated that while the city “may require restaurants and hotels and stores to provide services regardless of the proprietors' views or their customers' legal status, the government may not force singers or writers or photographers to articulate messages they don't support."

He argued that the Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of religion supersedes any local ordinances the city of Louisville might have.

The ruling echoes similar judgments of years past. The baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple took his case all the way to the Supreme Court, which ruled in his favor in 2018.

An Expected Development

Gay rights advocates say the ruling is disappointing, but expected. They say the case is one they've seen many times across the country: Christian wedding vendor challenges a law preventing LGBTQ discrimination, often before they’ve even been accused of violating it, and after years in the courts, gets a final judgment in their favor, with the legal system deciding their right to refuse service to gay couples beats out a gay couple’s right to be serviced.

Even still, Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer hopes to fight the ruling. “We are a city of compassion and we appreciate the many ways our LGBTQ+ family contributes to our diverse community,” he explained. “Louisville Metro Government will continue to enforce to the fullest extent possible its ordinance prohibiting anti-discriminatory practices and will fight against discrimination in any form.”

What do you think? When it comes to religious freedom and anti-discrimination laws, which side should win?

103 comments

  1. Laura McAllister's Avatar Laura McAllister

    I can’t believe that with all the things going on in the world , People are still going back and forth on Gays right. You can feel free to hate just remember God doesn’t like Ugly.

    1. Dr. Zerpersande's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande

      Beauty and ugly are only skin deep, but religious stupidity goes clean to the bone.

      1. Reverend Kurt's Avatar Reverend Kurt

        hear hear. Truer words have never been spoken.

    2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      God? There’s actually a real god that cares? I didn’t know that. Who is it?

      Just askin’ for a friend of mine that has a little child dying of cancer 🤷🏼

      🦁❤️

  1. Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson's Avatar Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson

    For me, who and how you love is no business of mine so long as the relationship is mutually consensual, age appropriate and causes no harm.

    I may not understand why a man would be attracted to another man, woman to woman, nor believing your birth gender is not who you are, BUT I try to treat everyone with courtesy, a friendly manner and tolerance, just because they were born, as my mom and da taught my sibs and I. If we can be good neighbors, working together where we do agree for the good of the community, THAT is what matters to me.

    If a Christian (or other) decides not to do business with me as a Heathen, the loss is theirs. There are others who will be happy to take my money.

    1. Paul Anguiano's Avatar Paul Anguiano

      That iskind of the point of a free society. I am a Buddhist Minister. I feel that while I can agree that there is a want to be without discrimination as a customer. However, at what point does making people serve those they do not want to in private business settings. . If someone wont serve me, I go elsewhere. I dont know the parties involved but I would hate to see what happens when they get told that from other Religious bakeries. Muslims will not do it either, why are they not being sued?

  1. Rev. John Bolen's Avatar Rev. John Bolen

    Any private business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason . If a business doesn't want to do business with a person , for whatever reason , then they should go find one that will .

    1. Tom's Avatar Tom

      Could this photographer refuse to photograph a Black couple's wedding because they believe "The black race is the people through which the devil has always been able to bring evil unto the earth" as Warren Jeffs believes? It wouldn't be the first time religion has been used as a cover for racism. Now people are using religion as a cover for homophobia. This is all too familiar to the Civil Rights movement of the '60s.

      1. Frank Michael Salinger's Avatar Frank Michael Salinger

        Yes, and reverse that scenario as well. Forcing people, only fuels more racism. More progress has been made by refusing to do business with racists. This even applies to religion itself. As people leave religions, religions change.

        1. Tom's Avatar Tom

          This gets us into the paradox of tolerance, which states, “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.”

          In the previous examples, the photographer is being intolerant of someone for something they cannot control, their sexual preference or skin color. Refusing to do business with racists is being intolerant of that group because of their intolerance.

          Ending separate but equal and segregation, forcing these businesses to cater to both white and black people, furthered the goal of equal rights during the Civil Rights movement and has helped make racism less prominent. Allowing businesses to refuse service to homosexuals allows the business to believe that their homophobia, or their intolerance, is justified.

    2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Rev. John Bolen If you are talking about in the United States you are mistaken Hope you weren't taught this in our public school system. In the United States we have many anti-discrimination laws at the federal, state, and local level. Chief among these is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, law in the country where you live might be different.

      1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

        And the definition of what is a protected class includes a history of being oppressed. Anyone who believes that gay people in America have never fit that, should check again.

      2. Reverend Kurt's Avatar Reverend Kurt

        Douglas Robert Spindler: Many countries have strong anti discrimination laws. In these countries, these same laws are applied with common sense, therefore a lot less litigation. There is the expectation, of What would a reasonable and sane person expect . We may not be taught law in our public school system up to secondary and tertiary level, we manage to respect each other..

        1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          @Reverend Kurt I take it your are not in the United States. Here you will find Christians don't respect people. They judge people and if they don't meet THEIR Christians standards the don't treat them as garbage and file lawsuits against them. This is why young people today in the US want nothing to do with the Christian religions. Christens are just mean people.

        2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          @Reverend Kurt You need to do some research. Most countries HAVE discrimination laws and aggressively enforce those laws. America is different today. In the past we had some wicked Christian based discrimination laws which we have slowly outlawed over the decades.

  1. James Michael Fish's Avatar James Michael Fish

    If it were me, I wouldn't want a photographer who had issues with my choices of a partner. I'd rather find another photographer who would sppreciste my choice and use their skills freely and creatively (not begrudgingly). After all, this is still a free country and we still have constitutionally protected rights.

  1. William Dusenberry's Avatar William Dusenberry

    For a religion to continue to exist — it must shelter its sheeple — from anyone who is not a believer in that particular religion — shelter them from science — shelter then from the liberal arts — shelter them from any news sources that aren’t propaganda sources — and prevent their members from doing business with anyone who’s not a member of their own particular cloistered tribal group (AKA, church)

  1. Magistar Mormaer MacLean's Avatar Magistar Mormaer MacLean

    While I would not refuse to provide a service, freedom of choice for the photographer. There are plenty of other photographers available.

    I would see it differently if the refusal was from a larger business, by way of their policy. That would be discriminatory. Everyone has their right to believe, whether we agree with that belief is again a free choice.

    1. Michael A Rutigliano's Avatar Michael A Rutigliano

      Double standards don't wotk

      1. Magistar Mormaer MacLean's Avatar Magistar Mormaer MacLean

        There needs to be a middle ground, acceptable to all.

        The right to believe is fundamental, Article 9 of United Nations Human Rights.

        To suggest double standards only disengages those who sit at what already is clearly another polarised issue, where dialogue and jurisprudence should be promoted.

  1. Tammy Sue Peck's Avatar Tammy Sue Peck

    Personally I think it’s the right of every individual to follow their own moral codes. I would rather loose my business than to be forced into doing something that goes against my beliefs. That being said, I know that I will be attacked for feeling this way. But I suggest before you attack that you think about this. What if the photographer said if you’re going to force me to do this, what’s to stop someone from forcing you to go straight 🤷‍♀️ We all were given free choice and when you infringe on one person’s freedom, someone somewhere just might do that to you.

    1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Once you make absolute generalized claims like that, you are by definition saying that underage polygamy, drugs, crime, etc. are all allowed... becuase they fit somebody's 'moral code'. So of course people will disagree. If you've already decided to feel attacked, that is 100% your own doing.

  1. Diane Minna LaFave's Avatar Diane Minna LaFave

    Individually owned businesses should have Right to refuse but Corporations , being an entity , should not. I'm sure they could find a photographer that would .

  1. Marilyn's Avatar Marilyn

    Freedom of religion is guaranteed by the US Constitution. I have no conflict providing service to anyone however that is my choice. I can't imagine forcing someone to provide such an important service under duress.

  1. Rev. MichaelRS's Avatar Rev. MichaelRS

    I know this is a big problem because there is a big shortage of gay people in the professional photography business who would be happy for the job.

    Same for straight professional photographers that would not care one way or the other.

    That this is a "gay rights" issue is ridiculous on the face of it. The photographer in no way tried to interfere with the gay couple getting married nor did he try to stop anyone else from providing services to them.

    On the other hand they tried to interfere with his right to practice his religion as he sees fit and to peacefully live his life accordingly by forcing him to participate and memorializing a lifestyle that he solemnly disagrees with.

    (And least anybody misunderstand ME; If I were a photographer and the only issue was the couple was gay, I most likely WOULD take the job.)

    But let's say the ruling went aganist the guy and he was forced to take such jobs in the future. Would you really trust such an individual to memorialize your special day properly?

    I'd be too afraid that if I had somebody there who was forced to be doing that, that a significant number of the pictures, including some key ones, would "accidentally" come out blurry.

    And then what do you do? Call everybody back and dress them up for a reshoot?

    These kind of petty actions do nothing to provide positive PR for the gay community. They actually have the opposite effect; for people who will never be on board with that community to begin with it only makes them dig their heels and deeper. For people who are on the "Live and Let Live" fence it puts a sour taste in their mouth that keeps them firmly on that fence, if not make them lean toward the more conservative side.

    Not only is it counterproductive in those ways, but now you have a court ruling to bolster the position of the photographer and other vendors. So good job.

    1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      Rev. MichaelRS, I think your response is very wise. I run a Protestant church online that focuses on the message on Theology of the Body birthed by late John Paul II. The moral issue at stake is far deeper than petty arguments such as this, and it all goes back to the beginning - the original vision of God for human sexuality. In my church we accept everyone, even if they fully live out the LGBT lifestyle. But we are very strong on promoting Theology of the Body as a model for true human sexuality that leads to our full union with Jesus, the Bridegroom of the Church.

  1. Reverend Kurt's Avatar Reverend Kurt

    Ridiculous to the extreme, only in America does this stupidity continually rise to notoriety. If one trader refuses a service, find another, there is no moral, legal or ethical obligation in the rest of the world for a trader to be forced to trade, outside of the Mafia of course. I see it not a religious issue, but as the human right of being true to ones' self and values. Kids have it right, if one sets of kids does not play well with the others, they take their toys and leave. they have the choice and maturity, which obviously some adults, do not...

    1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      Bingo!

  1. Tammy Sue Peck's Avatar Tammy Sue Peck

    I believe that everyone has a right to choose what they do. If they choose to do the photo shoot or not is nobody’s business but theirs.

  1. James C Riggle's Avatar James C Riggle

    It's not just about gay rights. If a stand is not taken now how long before it becomes white only photography? That will stop people in their tracks.

    1. Nathaniel Robert Hunt's Avatar Nathaniel Robert Hunt

      It's already happening that "mixed race" couples are being turned away do to religious beliefs of the venue https://time.com/5668444/mississippi-wedding-venue-gay-interracial-marriage/

  1. Nicholas J Page's Avatar Nicholas J Page

    Here we go again let's all bash the gay's quite frankly I'm sick of hearing gays can't do this or that Yes it's discrimination but I would say find another photographer preferably one who is gay.Shouldnt be a problem

    1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      I totally agree.

  1. Cheryl Anne Hamm's Avatar Cheryl Anne Hamm

    First, wouldn't you want a photographer that would understand the wishes and needs of the couple. There are lots of talented photographers who would gladly provide their services and provide the couple with professional pictures that perfectly captures their big day. On the other hand I wonder how many of these people claiming religious exemption would provide food and shelter for the homeless, provide aid to the needy, or actually follow the teachings of Jesus if it wasn't convenient or in their interests. Finally, one's salvation is not determined by others sins. You face God for your actions alone. I am an owner of a restaurant and of long guns for personal hunting. I have politely asked everyone with an open carry weapon to please leave it in their vehicle, with the exception of law enforcement and have only lost 1 regular customer.

    1. Kenneth Edward Stokoe's Avatar Kenneth Edward Stokoe

      Does the church preach forgiveness or help to those that feel they can’t speak to anybody except the church. I try to help any person who feels lost inside. At my granddaughters school there are children whom do not know there gender. Some openly show that they prefer there own sex. So at such an early age they sometimes turn to the church. We must learn not to discriminate. It’s a new world out there we have to move with the times.

  1. Ronaldo's Avatar Ronaldo

    What would have happened if the photographer said, "I don't care if they are same sex or not, I just don't like their attitude towards photographers?" Or he could have said he refused to work with them because they were too demanding. In the past, when America was actually a free country, businesses of all sorts had the right to refuse service to anyone. Now, regardless of attitudes or actions, all someone has to do is claim to be a minority of any kind, and the business has to serve them. I can use that. If any business refuses me service, I'll claim that it's because I'm left-handed and take them to court over it. There are fewer left-handed people in the US than there are Blacks, so protections should apply equally.

    1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

      The problem you would have with that, Ronaldo, is that you would have to prove that it was because of your left-handedness. Difficult to do.

  1. Deborah Jean Howard's Avatar Deborah Jean Howard

    I do believe that the church/ leaders. Are the ones Ripping this country apart. People of the same sex have loved one another for centuries. And had to keep it under the low key. Which is wrong who you love is who you love. God made us in his eyes. So that means he also made people of the same sex to love one another

  1. Cindy L Edgar's Avatar Cindy L Edgar

    Pagan ordained minister in Lawton Oklahoma I am registered with the courthouse I will perform a wedding for same-sex marriages or any marriage as long as it's in Oklahoma and people are talking gay rights or whatever you want to call them they need to leave it alone

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher

    HOW REALLY CHRISTIAN of THE JUDGE, EVEN MORE THE IDEA of THE RULING, A HOLE

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Does the Judge belong to a Christian faith then? I missed seeing that.

      🦁❤️

      1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

        I did not see a statement of the judge's religion either, but homophobic rulings usually have that "if it walks like a duck" thing going for them.

      2. David Cox's Avatar David Cox

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  1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

    People today just don't want to work and use religion as a way of getting out of work. With the high rate of unemployment this photographer is getting a free ride mooching of tax payers collecting unemployment insurance,

    What a scam this Christian is trying to pull.

    1. Stewart's Avatar Stewart

      Its more of look at me I such a great christian that I violate the 2nd commandment of Christ to love my neighbor as I love myself . For a religion based on love and tolerance they sure evolved into a bunch of petty snotty little kids my way or no way .

      Mostly shes pulling a publicity stunt for name recognition and or praise .

      As it says she had not even been asked to do a wedding just filed a suit Probably paid for by some ultra right wing group .

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        It's Christians who do things like this which make young people not want to have anything to do with the Christian region. You don't see Muslims or Mormons filing lawsuits, why is it's only Christians who file lawsuits?

        1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

          Actually, Mormons are Christians :-)

          1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

            @Pastor George Day Actually, Mormons are Christians :-) Hmmm, are you sure? Some Mormons say they say they Christians so I guess we could say they are. But are you a Mormon or Christian? Mormons believe they will become a God when they die and go to live eternally on their own planet; I've never heard of a Christian believing they will. And do Christians wear magic God blessed under ware which protects them from bullets, stabbings and getting burned in a fire? Mormons do.

            1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

              @Douglas Robert Spindler, I would agree with you that they are not mainstream or orthodox Christians, but they are Christians by default - viz they are not Buddhists or Muslims. Likewise Orthodox Jews would say that Messianic Jews are not Jews at all, but in fact they too follow all Jewish traditions, and they include Yeshua as fulfillment of those. It's an example, but I hope it makes things clear.

              1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

                @Pastor George Day Just what does it mean to be a Christian? There are over 50,000 "Christian" religions in the world today and to think they began as one. Perfect example of evolution. Another good example of religious evolution are Mormons. It was just 200 years ago the Mormon religion was stated. And in those 200 years that one Mormon religion has evolved into over 100 Mormon religions.

                Anyone can call themselves a Christian Jews, Muslim or Mormons if they want. Doesn't really matter what you believe does it?

              2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

                @Pastor George Day Just what does it mean to be a Christian? There are over 50,000 "Christian" religions in the world today and to think they began as one. Perfect example of evolution. Another good example of religious evolution are Mormons. It was just 200 years ago the Mormon religion was stated. And in those 200 years that one Mormon religion has evolved into over 100 Mormon religions.

                Anyone can call themselves a Christian Jews, Muslim or Mormons if they want. Doesn't really matter what you believe does it?

    2. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

      Douglas, I want to agree with you about laziness, but from what I have seen in this country, I am convinced it is absolutely about the homophobia, or at least primarily about it. Why else would someone create a lawsuit before any gay person even asked them to do any work? I figure it is either homophobia or attention-seeking. They are not mutually exclusive. FYI, we have a current unemployment rate of 3.7%. The lowest rate in the past 50 years was 3.5%. We have one of the lowest unemployment rates ever recorded.

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        @Rev. B You know I think you are on to something. Yes we do have the lowest unemployment rates in 50 years. And at the same time the number of Christians in the United States continues to rapidly decline. And if you look at unemployment with the younger generation it's continues just as more and more continue to lose their faith in the Christian religion.

  1. flugo's Avatar flugo

    Louisville Mayor Fischer: '. . . . . . .appreciate the many ways our LGBTQ+ family contributes to our diverse community.'

    Yeah we need more 'contributions' like: monkey pox, AIDS and other STDs, distorted views of family, infantile approach to 'love', predation of kids, making mockery of God's laws, sucking up a disproportionate amount of our health system's resources, blatantly rubbing our noses in their disgusting, depraved lifestyle, etc.

    Typical of our many 'spineless, inclusive, toleration' city leaders!

    1. Colleen McAllister's Avatar Colleen McAllister

      flugo you really don't get it, do you? LGBTQ+ people did not start or invent any of those diseases. They do not promote distorted views of families. (male & female spousal abuse is not distorted?). They do not act as predators to kids. They do not overuse the Healthcare system. What they did is live normal lives but for their choice of sexual partners. As to mocking God's laws, your post is a good example of that. I pray you experience forgiveness one day.

      1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

        I love this church because it is so diverse! And everyone has a place here! Thank you for your boldness, Flugo :-) !!

    2. Nathaniel Robert Hunt's Avatar Nathaniel Robert Hunt

      I don't want kids....going to try and force me to? you can't force your religions laws onto me or other free Americans, freedom means I and all others can live our lives the way we chose.

      1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

        If you accidentally get someone pregnant, they absolutely will try to force you to have that kid whether the two of you want it or not.

    3. Theresa Gull's Avatar Theresa Gull

      Flugo - wow. You are something else. Educate yourself.

      1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

        I disagree with Flugo, but I applaud his boldness. He has a right to express his free opinion, which is certainly valuable, and freedom of speech. This Church is great because of that! Bingo!

  1. Brien's Avatar Brien

    Why is this an issue? If a business, any business does not wish to make money, that is their right. Just as it's the right of the consumer to spend money elsewhere. Now that seems simple. Please stop looking for your 15 minutes of fame and instead use that time for something better like having a good cup 🍵.

    1. Jason Richard Nardi's Avatar Jason Richard Nardi

      Exactly!

      To clarify, I do not support discrimination, but I think people are allowed to believe whatever they want so long as it doesn't infringe another's rights or do them harm. If they want to loose out on income, make a poor name for themselves, or even loose the support of their community, let them!

      I am posting this to clarify the law.

      "Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 -- the federal law which prohibits discrimination by private businesses which are places of public accommodation -- only prevents businesses from refusing service based on race, color, religion, or national origin.

      Title VII of the United States Civil Rights Act of 1964 was put in place to prevent discrimination and harassment in the workplace. It applies to all public and private employers that have 15 or more people on payroll."

      Most of the time you cannot sue a small business for civil rights violations, as it mostly applies to government, large business, or public businesses (traded or receiving government funds for something). That being said, there may be state laws that give further protection against discrimination.

  1. Joseph A Chonko's Avatar Joseph A Chonko

    With so much hate in the world, why do we need another way of imposing more hate?

    1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

      We don't need another reason, but there are many people in the world that want more reasons to hate.

  1. Thomas R King's Avatar Thomas R King

    Part of this is her claim that she has a "Christian belief" which would be violated if she was required to sell her work without discrimination. That isn't true. She has a personal belief; she does not speak for all of Christianity, nor should she be allowed to.

  1. John Ball's Avatar John Ball

    Photographers, bakers, and all the rest should be required to post a sign that says “this is not a business, it is a private club. we only provide services to members of our club.” Prospective customers should have to read and sign a form, request membership, and join before they can buy doughnuts or whatever.

  1. Donald G Magel's Avatar Donald G Magel

    Todays christian are not very Christ like. So sad that their ministers are not either.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Donald G Magel Todays christian are all about the money and controlling other peoples lives.

  1. Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.'s Avatar Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.

    In Ireland, the Vast majority of people voted for the right of two people who love one another ( gay or lesbian) the same rights as two people who love one another ( straight) too. There has life long same sex relationships, who harmed nobody , just lived their lives , worked , paid their taxes , contributing to society for generations, I know a gay couple who have been together for 47 years. That's much longer than many straight marriages. Why do religious leaders fear two people loving one another? Surely love is greater than hate! Isn't that what Christ requested, that we love one another, and anyone who says it's an abomination should also know that eating shellfish is an abomination, wearing two different forms of clothing is an abomination, eating meat on Wednesday and Friday is an abomination, ignoring the Sabbath day is an abomination. Who has not at one time in their life ever broken at least one of the Ten Commandments. There is nothing in any religious scriptures condemning Homosexuality, yet for a man to have an affair the ancient sculptures blamed his wife and she was stoned to death for what they believed at the time, she wasn't fulfilling her role as a wife. Lott had sexual relations with his daughters . That's incest , approved by the holy scriptures.. so I think it's time for religious organisations to crawl out of the dark ages and start to open their doors to all Gods Children, I mean God created Gay people as well as straight people, to love .. surely God doesn't make mistakes, ?

    1. Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.'s Avatar Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.

      When a cake baking shop refused to bake a wedding cake for a Gay couple , the vast majority of people in the country ( Ireland) were not happy and there was a boycott on the Bakery shop. Now nobody discriminates against two people who wish to marry and live in peace .

  1. William McMillian's Avatar William McMillian

    We are forgetting one of the primary concepts of our county: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

  1. Margaret Welch's Avatar Margaret Welch

    What if the City or State provided for a fee wedding photographers as a means to promote antidiscrimination? This option would allow both straight and LGBTQ folks a neutral bias free option. What a great option for a lesbian couple not having to hire a photographer who holds their nose to do the job; photographer wants the business so tolerates the customer. And straight couples who want to support anti-discrimination culture can hire the City or State photographer.
    The City and State option would be a service provided by the government just like the wedding license and certificate is a State and City function. This option would also put some business pressure on the private business photographers who may just start to feel the sting of competition. Peace.

  1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

    I know this may sound counterintuitive however I think everybody's got everything at hand under control basically private businesses should have the right to refuse any work as long as it's not a general policy or discriminatory against one certain thing so basically I think the situation is well under control or well said for everybody anyway before I get into trouble I will get out of here if I'm not already in trouble🙄

    1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

      This is discrimination against one certain thing. Homosexuality. Remember, she filed the lawsuit before anyone asked her to photograph a wedding. She could have filed it 10 years ago - why now? I believe it is because so many courts have been stacked with judges currently ruling that discrimination is ok.

  1. Randy C Hamilton's Avatar Randy C Hamilton

    Assuming that the lying catholic SCTOUS slime balls will not reverse is extremely naive. Next they will go after the vote for women. Mark my words!

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      “Women”? Do you mean “Persons with a womb”, or some other ridiculous term created by the “woke” Democrats?

      One, presumably “educated” female, Ketanji Brown Jackson, at a recent government hearing couldn’t describe what a woman was. She/her/he/him/they/it is a Democrat.

      Just askin’ for a “female” vagina bearing friend of mine. 🤭

      🦁❤️

      1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

        Persons with a womb? Does that mean that women would regain their voting privileges by having a hysterectomy? I kid, I kid.

      2. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

        You are referring to the video 'What is a Woman,' right? I watched it.

  1. Mike Eggleston's Avatar Mike Eggleston

    Let the christian bigots refuse work. Why give work and money to people who hate you? If enough people, LGBTQ+ or not, reefuse to use their services, they'll soon be out of business.

  1. Earl Wayne Bell's Avatar Earl Wayne Bell

    Why should the Photographer be compelled to do anything? What about his rights? I'm sure that there are many photographers who will take the job.

  1. Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.'s Avatar Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.

    The photographer can refuse service on the basis he does not have the capacity to do the job. Capturing the right moments on the camera may very well require different photographic skills for a gay couple.

    The photographer has no right to refuse on religious grounds, or moralize to his customers. Just to say "I am not competent for your job".

    1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      Very well said!

  1. Steven Ferrell's Avatar Steven Ferrell

    I personally believe it is the right of that person to not want to take part in a wedding they feel is against their religious beliefs. It is not our place to judge, that is for God to do.
    That being said, I have personally did a lesbian wedding, but that was my choice and it was a dear friend and co-worker. My question to those who feel a person should be FORCED to take part in this is WHY? Why would you want to support that business, why would you want to give them your hard earned money? Would you not rather give your money to someone who agrees with you? Why would you want to help them prosper?? If I don't agree with a certain business, I don't want to give them my money, I would rather take it to a place and support a business who agrees with me.

    1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      Like you, I don't endorse same-sex marriage because I embrace traditional teaching. But if I were asked to officiate, I would because I view homosexuality as a fact of life, just like divorce. No one chose it, it just happened. And they too have pastoral needs.

  1. Guy Sutherland McLaren's Avatar Guy Sutherland McLaren

    If you disagree with someone and don't want towork for them, it should be your choice, I choose not to work for people often and should I be forced to I will just do a horrible job. Photographers get paid up front, no rule saying the pics have to be good, right?

  1. Robert Alexander Owens's Avatar Robert Alexander Owens

    It's not hate to disagree with any agenda, if you are a Christian and you feel it is against your religious belief to serve LGBT then it's your right, same goes for those that desire to serve them it's your right...as for me I choose not to as I view this life style a sin against God. My choice

  1. Dmytro Ilchenko's Avatar Dmytro Ilchenko

    What I can't understand is why any same-sex couple would want to force photographer or florist or baker to serve in their wedding against his will. There are so many persons who would like to do this. I also can't understand why have legal battle when you can use common sense. Imagine, that you are a photographer who oppose same-sex marriage. Why don't you just make bad photos if forced to perform? If you are a baker - why don't you make a cake with wrong amount of sugar? And to anyone. If you can force a singer to perform on the same-sex wedding against his or her will can I force black singer to perform on white supremacist wedding? Can I force a gay baker to bake a cake with text "God hate gays"? When you want to impose your view through law, not discussion, you must remember that such thing will always bite you at some point.

  1. Canadian Yankee's Avatar Canadian Yankee

    This is a stupid ruling, because I take photos of someone skydiving does not make me a sky diver or even approve of the sport. The same goes for roller derbies, swiming at the beach or any other activity. If one opens a business with a license from the government they should be open to all customers on an equal basis as long as the activity s within the law.

    1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

      Sorry Canadian but that would make sense, which is not how we do things in the US. In the US, people let their imaginary friends tell them who to hate.

  1. Christopher Wolf's Avatar Christopher Wolf

    Religion should not be allowed to violate the rights of LGBTQ+ people whom the Supreme Court has ruled have the right to marry. Would people have the right to deny wedding related services to people because they are Black or Jewish? No! And neither should they be permitted to discrinate against gay people.

  1. Loreen Ewing's Avatar Loreen Ewing

    If the people don't want to take a couples pitcher at a wedding because the couple is guy. They should not have to but. They can always get some one else too.but it's not right for us to judge the couple for who they love that's not up to us that is between them and God.

  1. Loreen Ewing's Avatar Loreen Ewing

    I'ts not for us to judge for who we love that's up to god.and if someone is going to be so pitty and not want to take a pitcher at a wedding because of the couple being guy then the couple should find another photographer to film there wedding.

  1. Theresa Gull's Avatar Theresa Gull

    Personally, I wouldn’t want someone who had such strong opinions about MY lifestyle photographing my wedding.

    Is it right? Absolutely not. When you offer services your personal opinion should not be a contributing factor.

    It’s sad to watch as our rights as humans are eliminated by people who don’t have a dog in my race.

  1. Frank Michael Salinger's Avatar Frank Michael Salinger

    No one should be forced to do anything that doesn’t cause physical or financial harm to others. Why would anyone want to do business with another that doesn’t want their business? I believe in total freedom for all individuals, not just special groups. We should all be free to be who we want to be and express ourselves as we feel. The gay couple is free to find a photographer they like and the religious photographer should be free to turn customers away for any reason. Had it been an Islamic photographer that refused the gay couple, I’m certain this wouldn’t be an issue. The best way to deal with prejudice, is to not force compliance.

    1. Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.'s Avatar Rev. Terence Barry AC. OCC.

      Muslims in Ireland welcome the Gay Community, have opened their businesses, shops and Islamic centres to the Gay and Lesbian community. The LGBT community in Ireland have always stood alongside the Muslim community, and the Muslims in Ireland feed the homeless population in Dublin. Christians, Muslims, Jews , Pagans all get on together and each get on with the LGBT community. When you have a strong community spirit where no matter who you are or what you do, within the law, you are an important contributor to society.

      Jesus said to love one another. Jesus loved all his followers , and when a woman named Mary was about to be stoned to death, Jesus said , Let you who has not sinned, cast the first stone. We are all sinners, some have committed atrocities, ie members of NATO, the Nazis, but Gay people just want to love one another and live in peace together as a recognised married couple..

      1. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

        The biblical story you refer to is John 8:1-11. This is most likely a spurious text because we do not find it in the earliest manuscripts. This passage makes no mention of 'Mary' (whom I suppose you believe to be Mary Magdala). In and of itself, even though it is very beautiful, this passage, being 'apocryphal,' does not bear teaching authority.

    2. Pastor George Day's Avatar Pastor George Day

      I agree totally. There seems to be special prejudice against Christians by default. Anyone has a right to free opinion.

  1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

    'Discriminate' doesn't have to mean hate. Creative artists for hire such as photographers, expensive cake makers, etc. generally can choose their clients. Courts will have to decide where the line is case by case.

  1. Frank Michael Salinger's Avatar Frank Michael Salinger

    This isn’t Ireland with a relatively small population and even smaller Muslim population. We have more diversity than any country in the world. Freedom applies to all, free to succeed and free to fail. Free to choose who we want to associate with and those we don’t. Forcing those issues have never produced good results and only increases animosity. The USA elitist liberals readily ignore extreme Islamic racism and violence but loudly and hatefully condemns other groups even before it is proven to be true.

    If we truly want freedom, unity and diversity for all, we need to educate truthfully not forcefully.

  1. Jason H Hargreaves's Avatar Jason H Hargreaves

    yes...freedom of choice...if they dont want to photograph you, why would you even let them?

  1. Henry LeRoy Chandler, II's Avatar Henry LeRoy Chandler, II

    With the ULC having ordained over 20 million ministers world wide, there should be no problem finding a minister to preform a LGBTQ+ wedding. The same goes for other services. Shop around. Someone might have a 1st amendment (freedom of religion) problem with providing a product or service, but then there are others who would love to make that money. Stop complaining and do a little more calling.

  1. Margaret Welch's Avatar Margaret Welch

    What if the City or State provided for a fee wedding photographers as a means to promote antidiscrimination? This option would allow both straight and LGBTQ folks a neutral bias free option. What a great option for a lesbian couple not having to hire a photographer who holds their nose to do the job; photographer wants the business so tolerates the customer. And straight couples who want to support anti-discrimination culture can hire the City or State photographer.
    The City and State option would be a service provided by the government just like the wedding license and certificate is a State and City function. This option would also put some business pressure on the private business photographers who may just start to feel the sting of competition. Peace.

  1. Margaret Welch's Avatar Margaret Welch

    What if the City or State provided for a fee wedding photographers as a means to promote antidiscrimination? This option would allow both straight and LGBTQ folks a neutral bias free option. What a great option for a lesbian couple not having to hire a photographer who holds their nose to do the job; photographer wants the business so tolerates the customer. And straight couples who want to support anti-discrimination culture can hire the City or State photographer.
    The City and State option would be a service provided by the government just like the wedding license and certificate is a State and City function. This option would also put some business pressure on the private business photographers who may just start to feel the sting of competition. Peace.

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