Move over Monopoly, there’s a new king of board games. And this one literally lets you talk to the King of Kings… or so its makers would have you believe.
Emblazoned with the claim that players can "communicate directly with Jesus Christ!" on the cover, one might describe "The Holy Spirit Board" as a Christian Ouija board. Players can ask Jesus questions, and through the power of a cross-shaped planchette, He can answer.
But not everyone is on board with this hot new way of chatting up Jesus. Some believers are warning against the game, arguing that it’s a backdoor to Satanic influence. If someone does answer the call, critics say, it won’t be Jesus Christ on the other side.
Demon Free, Guaranteed
The game’s creators insist it is perfectly safe. “Unlike other spirit boards, this one will NEVER contact evil ghosts or demons,” they say, “so you can ask your questions with an assured sense of safety.”
Not so fast, caution some Christians.
Despite the packaging saying that the Holy Spirit Board is perfect for churches and prayer groups, skeptics warn such messages are not to be trusted.
“Invoking demons” is all you’ll be doing when playing this game, says Christian ex-psychic Jenn Nizza. She says that this spirit board is just a thinly-disguised Ouija board, another tool of divination, and that “God’s super clear in His Word to avoid such tools and practices.”
“Because it’s demonic, the demons will show up,” she insists. “Entities will be there and start moving things around and providing some information.”
The History of Ouija
Although "automatic writing boards" have existed since at least 1100 AD, it wasn't until the late 19th century that they exploded in popularity in the United States, carried by a growing interest in mysticism and other alternative spiritual approaches.
The boards supposedly work by empowering an external force from another spiritual realm – typically a deceased friend or loved one – to control a marker that moves across the board, selecting letters or answering questions to communicate messages. This method is typically used by groups, as multiple people hold the marker while it moves.
An alternative design uses a pendulum, and is intended to allow a single user to practice divination or communicate with spirits.
Notably, Ouija boards were used across the U.S. by grieving families hoping to communicate with lost relatives, particularly those who perished in the Civil War.
A man named William Fuld began commercially manufacturing and marketing Ouija boards (as we know them today) in the late 1890s. They experienced another popular boom following World War I, when thousands of Americans again suddenly had dead relatives they wished to speak with one last time.
Say No to Spirit Boards
However, religious leaders have long been wary of this controversial method of communicating with the dead.
Most Christian sects specifically condemn the use of Ouija boards, believing them at best blasphemous... and at worst a portal to the demonic. Catholic tradition, for example, explicitly forbids their use.
Catholic exorcist Father Ernesto Caro is among those warning against the "The Holy Spirit Board" – calling it a Ouija board by another name. “If the [board] triangle is moving by itself, be careful, it’s not God who is moving, it’s the devil,” Caro cautions. “Ouija games and all this are forbidden in the Bible.”
That's not an unusual reaction. In more extreme religious circles, Ouija boards are burned in pyres alongside Dungeons & Dragons toys, Harry Potter books, or whatever else is the Satanic Panic du jour.
That hasn't seemed to stunt their popularity, however; Ouija boards are now trademarked and continue to be sold in the thousands each year.
Trolling the Faithful?
As for this game in particular, it appears the creators may be trying to troll believers. A YouTube commercial for the game insinuates it is meant to mock Christians, and some of the Amazon reviews are clearly tongue-in-cheek.
“Oh, boy does this thing work! We're already using pet names for each other, and [Jesus] insists I call him ‘Captain Howdy’!” one person wrote.
Joke or not, it's clear that many believers are deeply uncomfortable with the idea of communicating with the dead – even if the spirit in question is Christ himself.
What do you think? Can playing with a piece of cardboard and wood really expose you to demonic influence? Would you use The Holy Spirit Board… or is the risk to one’s mortal soul simply too great?
135 comments
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
As a ULC bishop, with a DD, and whose been twice-sainted, I can state, with a great degree of certainty -- that any normal Jesus aficionado -- can talk to Jesus -- but it becomes a matter of concern, if, and whenever, Jesus talks back to them.
Religion is, nothing more, than an attempt, to personify one's creator (which is nature -- for which prayers should be used only as a last resort, as when a drowning person grasps at a straw.
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Daniel Gray
You are not and never will be a ULC Bishop as they dont offer any such thing. So stop puffing yourself up and inflating your ego.
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Paul Edward Nunis
@Daniel; You've been PoeSlawed... again... some more... as usual.
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Daniel Gray
nope sorry, if he was as he claimed then why doesnt he post the information here, or is he ashamed that it would prove he is lying?
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
Rev Gray
Post your email address, so I can email you my ULC Bishop's credentials, bishop credentials. which you were obviously denied due to the silliness of your postings.
You're just jealous of my success in the ULC -- which elevates (makes more significant) my opinions more than your usual claptrap.
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Daniel Gray
Why? I mean if you are as you claim to be, then why not post the proof? Or is it that you refuse to do so as even the people in the Monastery also say they have NEVER offered any bishop credentials to anyone in the whole time they have been around. So who do we believe...them or you? Want to bet it isnt going to be you?
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
Daniel; as a Christian, you’re not allowed to tell a lie.
I’ve got ULC Bishop Credentials, which I received in 1970.
As the ULC — at that time — was making bishops (as indeed it was) then you owe me an apology.
I’m prepared to send you a copy of my Bishop’s — if you’ll pay the postage and them issue your apology— after you receive my Bishop’s Credentials.
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Daniel Gray
I am not telling a lie. Show me where child it says you are a bishop. I wont hold my breath waiting as you cant provide anything to back up your delusional claims
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Daniel, it seems that you don’t know the difference between lying and ignorance, both of which apply to you!
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Daniel Gray
Strange isnt it, thats exactly what your instructors said about you on an hourly basis.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Daniel, what “instructors”? It seems you really are suffering from the religion virus which enables you to mind read as well as being an ignorant liar! You should consult a psychiatrist voluntarily or be certified!
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Lionheart
I'm so glad someone else is noticing the significant issues that Daniel appears to be having.
Sadly, he will insist it's everyone else of course. But those with his issue often do. I bet he still talks to his imaginary friend. 🤷🏼
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Daniel Gray
nope just sating fact about a person who's ego makes him make up stories about himself.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Daniel, what stories am I making up that you are “sating (sic) fact”? Your religious delusions are way beyond my “limited” ability to understand why you are claiming to know anything about me!
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Daniel Gray
No stories, when I make a statement I include links. Guess that destroys your complaints as I have yet to see you do the same.
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Michael Hunt
Hahahahaha no you don't. You just tell people to use Google and then when no one can find anything (because there's nothing to find that supports your opinion) you just tell them that they don't know how to use Google and must be stupid.
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Daniel Gray
Hahaha, yes I do and you are just upset because I have proved that many a tall tail and conspiracy theory has come from you. So far all you have done in this thread Hunt is whine and call names. Oh and the last time I looked I was speaking to Dusenberry about his lies of being a Bishop, and then Olive had to jump in and put his 2 farthings worth of intelligence in the mix, and then comes you with your whines and name calling.
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Rev. MichaelRS
The only thing from ULC is the basic "minister" ordination.
What anybody does with that, whatever titles they bestow, is all from themselves.
Since Pope was already taken I decided to keep it simple with the "Reverend" thing.
And so in my "church", if ever there was to be one, I would be a ULC ordained minister DBA Church of Judeo-Christian Religious Philosophy.
I was going to go with Church of Religious and Ehical Philosophy. But then I realized the initials would spell CREeP.
And if I ever had any congregants I wouldn't want them to be known as CREePers or the people that belong to that CREePy Church.
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Rev Mark D
Well said William.
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Rev. BH
Willie, so okay you're a Bishop, but "whose (SP) been twice-sainted"!? Don't you have to be dead for that?
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Kenneth Eagle Spirit
I'm sorry but this just tickles my funny bone. ROFL! Let's come out with a whole series of "christian" Spirit boards. The Matthew board, especially for the tax collector. The Mary board, especially for ... Whatever. LOL.
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Joe Stutler
This is some seriously funny stuff! (Everybody knows Jesus only talks through Magic 8 Balls and chicken entrails.)
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Nicholas Peter Christopher
Definitely don’t need a board to talk to Jesus, I have been conversing with him most of my life
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Alejandro Medina de Wit
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Rev. Kev
The only thing stuff like spirit boards are is a fun exercise in the ideomotor effect. Our minds move the planchette without our conscious awareness.
One study had all the participants ask the "spirit" to spell Baltimore. Which it did perfectly. Then the same participants were blindfolded. They asked the friendly spirit to spell Baltimore again. Problem was, the participants could no longer see the board to move the planchette to the right spots on the board and it was all garbled. Other studies tracked eye movement. It demonstrated the eyes of the participants tracked ahead of the planchette as it moved.
Pretty nifty stuff. And all demon-free.
As a ULC Pope, with 5 DDs, and sainted in 4 churches, I approved this message.
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Joy
This reads like something straight from The Onion. I needed this laugh today!! Thank you.
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James Riggle-Johnson
I spit my coffee out reading this. I looked it up on Amazon and it has a 3.8 out of 5 rating. I bet they will give you a full refund if you become possessed. ROFL!
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Rev Mark D
Well it might be somebody who SAYS he's Jesus...
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Rev David Drudge
Exactly, personlly I would be a little sceptical that Judus is still around with his Anti Christ friends.
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Rev Mark D
Buying and consulting with these boards is tax deductible by the way, is it?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D Nope, not tax deductible. But giving money, without making a purchase is tax deductible.
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Rev Mark D
If it's really Jesus.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
I purchased one. The first message was from God. And God told me religion is a complete scam.
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Rev Mark D
How much?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D God said it's the biggest scam ever. According to God there can be no other God who could pull a scam as big as the one God pulled.
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Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.
The manufactures personally guarantee this Ouija game board to be Demon free. Maybe some other games are also Demon free. How much does it cost? What other manufacturer guarantees come with it?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Contact Jerry Falwell if you’re interested in making demon free games. He has a part-time job in the factory where he stands at the end of the production line, place's his hand on each board as it passes by and screams ‘Evil demons, come OUT!’.
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Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.
In my experience, calling demons "cutie-pie" while trying to kiss them, sends them into a panic and they disappear real fast.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Is this an effort to provide ‘proof’ that Mr. Magic and the Jewish Zombie ARE actually talking to you? Your psychiatrist won’t accept this as proof that the voices you hear are real.
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April Linda Wiles
You mean Jewish Mystic. Just saying.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Nope, Zombie. Came back from the dead.
Now IF there had been a historical Jesus, for which there seems to be more reason NOT to believe than TO do so, then ‘mystic’ would be appropriate. Of course keeping in mind that a mystic is just someone that is attempting to commune with god.
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John P Maher
NAH, THE TREEPHONE in THE PARK WORKs BETTER and YOU CAN HEAR GOD CLEARER, THE OUJA WORKs OFF WIFI and THAT SUCKs !
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Richard James Holden
Considered harmless fun until the exorcist film in the early 70's, since then 20+ blockbuster films have featured the board as it became a box office money spinner. It may effect somebody prone to mental health issues depending upon the intensity of the thought process and the people you may be doing it with, but that can happen with anything frankly. It was a widely manufactured board game in the 19th century, in particular, often sold in toy shops and the like and was never considered as anything more than an interesting curio. Admittedly fundamentalist Bible thumpers inevitably didn't like any game that 'suggests' it might let you communicate with the dead etc, they hate loosing control of course. But that type of nonsense has gone on for millenia, a bit like those idiots who started burning Harry Potter books. Perhaps be scared of humans, if you must, but not board games eh !
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Merlin
Depends on participant's intention.
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Christina Lynn Donaldson
I’m so glad someone said this because it is the absolute truth.
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JaZe
The board itself is neutral. The users intentions will attract different entities at different levels of development. Should not be made into a game!
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Donald G Magel
Is there a difference between one's use of the Ouija Board and the pope in Rome talking to "god' and then telling his people what "god" said? Other than the difference in the price of the Board and what is sent to the pope for his special needs.
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Rev Mark D
Do you know the Mormons have accumulated about 100 billion dollars from Joseph Smith talking to God? And that's just in Utah.
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Rev Mark D
Don, what you said all the way. And today the Venal Virgin even takes Zelle, Venmo and PayPal.
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Rev. Jim Sutton
I must admit, the game board is very aesthetic and appealing and covers everything from A to Z. But if the goal is to talk to/with Jesus, it's the wrong design. The infinity symbol is representative of God, not Jesus. To be properly associated with Jesus, it must be the ichthys symbol. A re-design should be able to maintain the same elements with no problem. As for the planchette, maybe the silhouette of a New Testament-era Galilean fishing boat with a porthole just below where a thin cruciform mast meets the hull. ?
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Rev Ned
This is toooooooo funny!
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Larry Mager
There will ALWAYS be people who are desperate to get answers from beyond the "veil". It's an amusing idea, but I see no need for them. Every time I tried the boards, it always came out that the other person with me was moving the pointer. ALWAYS!.
If One doesn\t believe in it, just ignore it!
Cheers!
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Colleen McAllister
I have had negative experiences with Ouija boards. For most they are a harmless time waster; for others they are indeed a portal to another plane.. Stay away from them. I learned the hard way when I saw one move on its own. And the info it gave me was real.
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Rev. BH
Same problem I had with my Parcheesi board!
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Rev Mark D
Well I probably should resend my comment about buying the Ouija board and or using it, and somebody consulting for money and using the Ouija board, should be tax deductible because then that would be behaving like the money changers, which Jesus upset and overturned. So Jesus obviously would object to having money changers active in his name, even if it's with a Ouija board. Sorry. Because if anybody tried that then of course the real Jesus would have to say, as he was wont to do two people who violated his principles in his name, "I never knew you."
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
As a ULC Arch Bishop, with a Triple D, and whose been thrice-sainted, once very nearly crucified and with I choose to believe are multiple stigmata, I can state with ABSOLUTE certainty that I am absolutely CERTAIN
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Daniel Gray
as a proved liar as the Monastery has never offered Bishop certifications, so again you are just being delusional. I have repeatedly asked you to show where your myth of a Bishop has been offered and you refuse. I have repeatedly asked you to show your certification of your mythical Bishopship and you have refused.
So if you cant prove it then why expect anyone to think anything other then you are delusional in claiming it.
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Pastor Jody S.
As a Roman Catholic, I have one message for all:
Just stay away from OUIJA boards.
Many folks do not know that "The Exorcist" book and movie were based on a real life possesion that occured due to use of a OUIJA board. It still happen to unaware and vulnerable people to this very day. I have witnessed it in person - it's not superstition, it's not a joke. It's all too real, and this version is no different. It's the "ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing" that Christ warned his disciples about.
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Shirley Ann Friar
I am not interested, it seems to be a counterfeit for the prayers with the Holy Spirit.
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
shirley dear,
you think the ouija board is fake but you believe in some kind of ghost?
cognitive dissonance much?
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Robert Gagnon
Like anyone lame enough to go for this would have the power of mind to differentiate between an evils force and Jesus.
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Nicholas J Page
What scientific proof is available Ouija boards were banned many years ago here in the UK There has never been 100 per cent proof that they work it's all a con The same as mediums who claim they can communicate with the deceased another con. Wake up America Minister Nick Page
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Ronaldo
What scientific proof is there that ghosts, angels, demons, spirits, or even God Himself exist? There is some circumstantial evidence, but no proof. Faith, whether it be true or misguided, requires no proof.
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ServantOfJudgement
I suppose the discovery of X Rays is similar. Man's science dictates X rays can't exist until they're proven to exist. Just because we've recently discovered X rays doesn't mean they didn't exist prior discovery. Athiests have a tendency to place their knowledge at the highest peak possible. With no superior intelligence in the universe to gauge against, humans become the top dog, understandably so. Therefore if it can't be proved by their inflated and supreme intellect, it must not exist or be true. Tell a atheistic scientist in 1034 AD that we can split the atom and you'd get taken to the wood shed proper.
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Richard James Holden
Ouiji boards have never been banned in the UK, sadly that is an urban myth my friend, possibly started by disgruntled Priests. Go onto amazon or ebay they are sold all over the place.
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Richard James Holden
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Ronaldo
Scripture is pretty clear that we are to talk to God the Father through Jesus, not to Jesus directly. Jesus talks to the Father on our behalf, but there is no scriptural evidence that He will talk to us Himself.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Scripture is just ancient nonsense, based on ignorance and should not be regarded as factual, any more than modern fiction, including science fiction and everything else within the definition of FICTION (look up the definition)! Certainly the buybull has geographical and some well established historical facts, but talking serpents, angels, rising from the dead, parting seas, and other so-called miracles are just ridiculous!
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Rev. Jim Sutton
Uh, the Jesus thing is New Testament only and 'enforced' by certain organized religions. What "scripture" says one can only talk to God by way of Jesus? That kinda violates the First Commandment of, basically, "Thou shall have NO OTHERS BEFORE Me." And how, exactly, does one talk "through Jesus"? As far as I know, when one prays TO Jesus, one is 'talking' "to Jesus directly." There's no ifs, ands, or buts. As for there being "no scriptural evidence the He will talk to us Himself," are you completely ignoring the Old Testament? HAVE you read The Bible ? ? ?
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Cindy L Edgar
I am a pagan ordain monster and I won't even use a Ouija board and that's opening a world to demonics and I even know better and no you're not going to get anything that you think you're getting from the other side to come through a Ouija board and you're definitely not talking to Jesus and I'm an ordain minister in Oklahoma to me that's a demonic spirit board and I believe in all the goddesses and god's
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Florencio Guevara
Ouija was a creation of an organization of evil wizards from India. The sole purpose was to spread their work...
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Paul Edward Nunis
Wizard work words? Thought they would use magical means to spread their evil... not flimsy trick boards.
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John T. Watson
Jesus warns against this and other tools in trying to communicate with the spirit world. There is only one way to communicate with God the Father and that is through prayer in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, "I am the truth, the life, and the way; No man comes to the Father but by Me."
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Lionheart
How do you really know what Jesus ever said? Did you read it somewhere?
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ServantOfJudgement
Lion, You don't know what Jesus said? No wonder you keep saying the same thing over and over.
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Lionheart
I mention that obvious statement, over and over, because many like to refer to quotes from a book, over and over, as though they know it to be true, just because they read it in a book. I'll keep making that statement as long as others keep insisting they actually know what Jesus said, which they don't.
Thank you for your interest in my posts though.🤗
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Rev Mark D
Well John, one could take that Jesus said, "I am the truth, the life, and the way; No man comes to the Father but by Me" to mean we'd better get moving and get our Ouija boards so we can talk to Him. How can one defend against that? Considering the intended market...
And like I imply above, I don't see much difference between these Ouija boards and the LDS Church and also most of the mega churches and televangelists, except the LDS church, the mega churches and the televangelists have already shown to be a highly successful in what they have set out to do already...get that glorious money..."Step right up" seems more the message of all of the above.
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ServantOfJudgement
Rev, if you talk to the board you aren't talking to Jesus. Jesus doesn't have a phone number, you don't need a phone. You just go to him. Easy.
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Lionheart
How does one go to Jesus, if we have no demonstrable evidence that he was real, even though it's possible someone like him, with that name, did exist?
If someone of that name did exist, 2000 years ago, why am I thinking he's possible dead by now 🤔. Oh....that's right.....it was 2000 years ago. Duh...me!
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ServantOfJudgement
Within the context of who the biblical Jesus is, the creator of the cosmos, raising oneself from the dead seems sort of mundane. Indeed, Jesus the creator need not do things in a way we comprehend. If an entity created the cosmos as opposed to it creating itself(perhaps a greater stretch than even fairy tales), that entity would certainly have abilities beyond our hope of ever comprehending or even detecting. So, when one speaks to Jesus, he's speaking tho the entity that created the cosmos. Its fair to say you dont believe in a designed universe even though it appears that way. Its ridiculous to say if the universe was created that the creator does not total control of his creation. As mere humans we have the expectation of controlling that which we create, why would we expect less from God? If you believe the cosmos flawlessly created itself and its physics from nothing, not even empty space, from non-existence and flawlessly self replicating life with visionary mutations created itself in a wild set of coincidences we aren't able to imagine, then you're in the exact same boat any given Christian is in.
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Lionheart
The reality is, no one knows how the universe came into existence. Your book makes a lame attempt to come to a theory involving a god, and even makes claims that it's the truth, but it was written by people who didn't even know where the sun went at night. It's no wonder that one of the first gods that mankind created was the "Hot Disc" in the sky that rose in the east and set in the west....which eventually was determined, using science and education, to be a spherical object....the sun.
Yes Christians, and other main stream religions, do have a leg up. It's called ignorance, fueled by a lack of education, and indoctrination. This world is full of people like that. Many of them insisting in believing what they have all read in their "holy" books, and insisting they are books of truth. Mormons, and Islamists, etc., all do the same as you. I bet they all claim to be reading their books "properly".
I'm sure you will find a logical reason as to how, your god came into existence. Most of us, using logic, and reason, mixed with critical thought, have come to the obvious conclusion, and that is..... in the human mind. It's where most of the approximate 3000 deities have come from.
We might be "mere human beings" but we do have the ability to show up for our fellow man in need, which is more than any of the supposed omnipotent gods seem able to do.
Thanks for your reply.
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ServantOfJudgement
Correct, no living human "knows" the origin of the cosmos. All current beliefs require a tremendous leap of faith for all are impossible according to man. My leap of faith is bundled into a creator, primarily because it seems obvious things were designed.
The atheist's leap of faith is placed into several disconnected self creating events that by flawless yet random precision ended up with humans thanks to billions of simultaneous and undirected mutations. Quite the leap. Regarding other religions and created gods, you bet we can crank'em out. We're making new ones all the time. Just because some people get it wrong doesn't mean everyone got it wrong. Consider the airplane. Thousands of designs were wrong until they discovered the right one. So it is true of our origin and the circumstance were caught up in. -
Lionheart
Thank you for your thoughts of your belief structure. Isn't it wonderful that we all have this overactive imagination to create things in our heads, even to the point where can force ourselves to believe them without any demonstrable evidence?
J.K. Rowling was so great at that, that she became the first billionaire female author.
Just in case you are wondering, and not to lead you astray with your imaginings and beliefs, her books "Harry Potter" are also fiction, and contain many fictional claims, very much like the Bible does about gods, and things, that some people like to believe are true.
Thanks for your reply 🤗
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ServantOfJudgement
One can not stand in the Prison of Azkaban or Hogwatrs School. However one can stand in the ruins of Babylon, Tyre, Petra and many many other places. The exact and unique method of their destruction was documented hundreds of years before they were destroyed. It was all documented beforehand, a hard pill to swallow. They were destroyed the exact way the prophets documented they would be. It's there for anyone to confirm for themselves if they have the courage. You have to have the guts though. It's a hard kick to realize God is running his universe his way. The proof need merely be read. Conversly, there are tons of WW2 holocaust deniers regardless of the mountains of proof including eye witnesses accounts. Yep, if we've got holocaust deniers from an event not even 100 years ago, it stands to reason that there will be Jesus deniers abound, regardless of his obvious creation, permanent global impact and undeniable universal truths taught.
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Lionheart
Well, interestingly, there are places listed in the Harry Potter books that are real:
The Wesleys' home known as the Burrow, is located in the village of Ottery St Catchpole, which is situated alongside the River Otter, in Devon.
Little Whinging is a town in Surrey, England, located to the south of London.
Malfoy Manor is the home of the aristocratic Malfoy family. It's mentioned in the fifth book that the manor is located somewhere in Wiltshire, England.
Shell Cottage is the home of Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacour after they get married in Deathly Hallows. It is located overlooking a beach outside the village of Tinworth in Cornwall.
Castelobruxo is the South American school of magic, based in Brazil. The exact location of the school is unknown as of yet, but is said to appear to Muggles (non-magic folk) as nothing more than ruins.
Diagon Alley is a high street located in London.
The Leaky Cauldron is a dark, shabby pub and inn for wizards, located on the Muggle street of Charing Cross Road in London, offering food, drinks and rooms to rent.
Gladrags Wizardwear sells clothing. There are other branches in London and Paris.
There are, of course, places listed in the Harry Potter books that cannot be located, much like some of the places listed in the Bible that have never been found.
There are also people listed in the Bible that could well be fictional: Adam and Eve, Moses, and Abraham just to mention 4.
It's very possible, when someone comes across a Harry Potter book in 2000 years time, they might assume everything was real. Possibly they were! 🤔 Then.... in 2000 years, there might be Jesus AND Harry Potter deniers, especially if, Mr Jesus, hasn't come back by then, which isn't looking very likely. 🤭
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John D. Partin
I really dislike talking with you because you are bigoted against God and Christianity and so won't accept any reason or logic that show the truth of them and so it is a big waste of my time talking with you.
But this is for any other people here, who aren't as bigoted as you are against them and so can still be reached with the truth and common sense about them. Talking to anti-God and anti-Christian bigots is as useless as talking to hardcore racial bigots or anti-Semites or bigots about anything else, until God opens their minds and eyes and hearts.
We do know how the universe started, in so far as we know that it didn't come out of unintelligence and so whatever started our universe is infinitely smarter than all of our geniuses put together, who couldn't have figured out how to do it, and smarter than the mindless universe itself, which can't even do anything for itself.
Something or Someone who, according to you, "doesn't even exist" and that our universe "doesn't prove His existence", obviously, can't be smarter than all of our geniuses put together and so, logically, He does exist.
You and other people here know where the sun goes at night, and yet don't even have the common sense and logic to understand, as these ancient people did, that a mindless universe couldn't possibly have done all of these things for itself. So, not knowing where the sun goes at night is no bar against and is irrelevant to having basic common sense and reason in other areas.
And knowing where the sun goes at night is no bar against and is irrelevant to being ignorant in other matters.
You and other secular humanists and atheists don't deny the existence of human beings who don't jump through your hoops and perform tricks for you at your command, and when you say "jump", ask "how high?", but you double standardedly, hypocritically, and very inconsistently say that "God doesn't exist" because He doesn't do that, either.
And make no allowance for His knowing much better what is good for you than you do and not instantly giving you things that wouldn't really be any good for you, no matter how "good" they might seem to you, the same as He can figure out how to build and control the universe, which no people can figure out how to do.
You don't instantly give your children everything that they ask for because many things that they ask for wouldn't be any good for them (living on cake and ice cream, etc ), because it is parents' job to look out for their children, but doubt God's existence because He also won't instantly give you everything that you ask for, despite "adults" proving their childishness, too, by their desires and thinking.
You can find proof of the power of prayer in the miracles that have been obtained through prayers for Blessed Solanus Casey's and Padre Pio's and other Saints' intercession on the internet and in books about the Saints. So, you have only yourself to blame and your choosing to remain in ignorance for your continuing to "think" that "prayers don't have any power".
Studies that have "proved" that "prayers don't have any power" merely arrived at their preconceived views about it and convinced themselves of what they already wanted to "think" about it, like white racists "proving" to themselves that "black people are inferior", black racists "proving" to themselves that "all white people are devils", and all other bigots' "proving" what they want to believe. "Seek and you will find".
Go on in your willful ignorance and blindness, since you won't ever open your mind to the proof against it or listen to anything that disproves your WRONG!!! "thinking", and other people here who can still open their minds and eyes and hearts to the truth and we who have already done so will go on knowing that you and other atheists and ungodly people are wrong!!
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Rev. Jim Sutton
Sprinkle all the components with Holy Water and don't use the cross upsidedown.
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Lionheart
What exactly is Holy Water? How different is it from ordinary H2O? I'm guessing that analytically, there is no difference.
A cross, is a cross, is a cross. What difference does it make if it's upside down, laying on its side, back to front, or right side up? At the end of the day it's still a cross. 🤷🏼
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Karsten S. A. Johansson
The Ouija Board, and this variant, don't have anything to do with spirits. If you loosely tie a small stack of 3 or 4 Poker chips together and then do the Ouija thing, it's easy to see that it is the people pushing it around since the top chip will go towards the direction it is being pushed.
Having said that, it really amounts to what's in your mind. If you believe it is evil spirits doing it, the Bible does say a few things about purposely trying to communicate with spirits. But if you believe it is Jesus you are talking to, then you should read the Bible on how Jesus himself said you should communicate through him. Diminishing Christ to something that will trick you into believing you can talk to him through kinetic tricks is probably also something to be discouraged.
It's definitely not a harmful toy. What you believe it is doing, and your involvement with that belief, very well might.
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David A Foreman
Wow! Sounds pretty cool. Makes as much sense as the rest of right-wing fundamentaist evangelicalism. (Most of whom wouldn't know Jesus if he bit them on the ass anyway!!!)
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Stacy Cherwoo
Even the Wiccan community suggested not to use this type of divination. There is something to be said if the Wiccans recommended not using it. Buyer beware!
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Paul Edward Nunis
Demonic?
Oh, just like the lyrics to 'Louie, Louie' and 'Inna-gada-da-vida'??
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Aaradhya Devotion
Yes first let me say that where in the Bible that God wrote that he did not want people to practice any supernatural belief mind you Moses did part the Red Sea Jesus turned water into one so where did he said in the Bible that you couldn't use your mystique powers do not refer when Saul said to the people that they was not able to practice divination now come on let's be clear let this man be great if he wants to do something positive so people can talk to angels and a positive more enlightenment way then let him do that we need to stop holding back and letting people think that it's not right to do certain things because they don't have a understanding of the situation peace and blessings.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Firstly, learn to use punctuation in your comments. Lack of punctuation shows ignorance! Secondly, I regularly perform a miracle when I drink wine, which later turns into water when I go to the toilet!🤪
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Right thank you, I didn't proof read before pressing send.❤️
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It’s a shame grown adults in a topic specific chat of serious inquiry still only needs three basic comments before ‘No it’s you who..” and the “you’re just mad because…” dominate. When this happens please exchange emails and let us know if you actually discover something new topic related and you both agree on. Now I’ve always thought those boards were 90% psychological tricks you could fool your friends and family by scarring yourself. And still there is a percentage that needs to be addressed. To you I say if th hat board works like you say it does the mechanics would equate to picking up a phone and dialing 10 numbers at random then inviting your friends over who know next to nothing about the dark side of religious practitioners paradigms . Wear your Sunday best. Should be a good show. But it does show a bit of ourselves in that all the years of existence it must be our nature to reach out and ask questions.
When it comes xtianity, there’s no cure for stupidity! No further comments needed!
And thats why they wont let you join as they have a limit for mentality and you fail every time.
There’s no way I would join ANY religion as they ALL peddle supernatural nonsense believed by gullible victims to scam their hard earned money! There’s no “before life”, so why would anyone believe there’s an “after life”?
@Gray There’s a limit for mentality.
First, ‘there’s a limit’ describes a situation where there is a maximum value which should not be exceeded. There’s a there’s a limit on speed, there’s a limit on the number of times something can be done, there’s a limit to one’s BAC when operating a motor vehicle and there’s a limit to one’s patience with the willful ignorance of the religiously delusional. If GC Olive ‘fails’ he is too intelligent to join.
Second, give up on any ambitions you may have for writing jokes. You lack the proper mentality for such.
yes there is and you have exceeded yours so using your logic maybe you should cease posting as nothing you have said makes any sense to anyone but yourself.
Wrong again, Daniel. You are still under the misapprehension that you "know" what makes senses to everyone. Your ego knows no bounds!
I guess we don't need to read anyones comments on this blog because you will be speaking for everyone as their spokesperson, being as you insist you know what makes sense to everyone.
Move over God, Daniel wants your throne. He is close to claiming he is omniscient, if he's not already done so.
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Not hardly. You are upset that common sense is used against you and that destroys your world view so badly that you get upset and start using smoke and mirrors to try and justify your post.
It’s you that made the statement “that nothing makes sense to anyone but yourself”. Clearly an untrue statement. If anyone is using smoke and mirrors, take a look at your misinformation statement that you are now trying to cover up. 😂😂😂
You are something else, Daniel. Get back to talking to your imaginary friend 🤭
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and I guess you intentionally refused to see who I was responding to, but then again you do that quite a bit and take it out of context
You have no idea how much you brighten my day reading your funny replies. I actually look for them every day. Please don't stop.
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How else am I going to find out what your flavor of the moth idea is?
no, I know you. What really brightens your day is you post what you post and then deny parts of it and still expect people to come along and believe you, and what makes you happy is that some actually do.
The "flavor of my moth" [sic], today are, Admirals, sometimes, the Cabbage Butterfly. 🤭
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No this way we get to see what new idea you are trying to promote as fact this time.
Well, the Fact today is that you don't have any for your God 🤭
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Failing by being too intelligent is a great compliment!👍
Yeah, but you have to keep in kind the average intelligence of the group you are ‘too intelligent’ for. The bar isn’t set much above ground level. It’s akin to ‘identifying’ as having low-functioning autism, participating in the Special Olympics and winning every event there.
Z you just reminded me of that favorite line of Groucho about joining a club that would have him as a member.
Ponder this y'all. IMHO If you're at the exact middle of the intelligence bell curve, statistically half of those you meet will be smarter than you, half will be not as smart. The ignorant can be cured. The actively ignorant, sadly, bigly sadly, not.
And you think your mentality is higher than others with your current belief structure? I bet you talk to your imaginary friend, right, Daniel? There's a well known psychiatric condition for people who talk to themselves, thinking there is someone listening.
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never said that Lion, but then again its so easy to prove you wrong and you just cant accept the fact that not everyone will accept your flavor of the month identity.
Whatever you’re smoking, Dan, keep it to yourself. You are all smoke and mirrors. You will no doubt go the same way John Partin went. Check out his visiting hours. 🤭. Keep talking to your imaginary friend.
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All one has to do is read your posts Lion and its very easily proved that the one who is smoking something is the one who looks back at you from your morning mirror
Thank you for reading my posts. It means a lot to me 🤗
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You don't even know what way you are really going or what you are really saying, Chickenheart, and so can't possibly know where we are going. Remove the beam from your own eye and fix your own head first before commenting on anyone else.
Go on talking about your imaginary friend (the mindless universe that is doing anything for itself) and hiding behind your smoke and mirrors, and transferring your actual condition on to anyone else here because you can't face or admit the truth about yourself.
And I and other people will go on knowing the truth about you and that this universe isn't doing anything for itself and so needs a Mind behind it to do those things for it that it can't do for itself.
Yayyy! Thank you for reading my posts. It's really nice to know that I'm getting to you, John. The fact that you like to attempt to hook me into a similar vitriolic diatribe as yourself, by name calling, means a lot to me. Notice I always call you by your real name. I never fall into that name calling trap of being rude, that many of you so-called christians like to do. It's what you like to do best when you are failing at your logic. I bet you were the same at school, right, or did you learn that at Sunday School?
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I would call you by your real name if you would give it to us here, as I give my real name, but since you are too cowardly to do that and hide behind your unrealistic handle and depiction of yourself as a "lionheart", I have no choice than to correct that lie about yourself and call you the Chickenheart that you truly are, when bothering and wasting my time to talk to you at all!!!
Truth isn't name calling or else nobody could ever tell the truth about anyone else without name calling, which is ridiculous!! No actual lionheart would hide behind that pseudonym, instead of coming out in here under your real name.
No actual lionheart would moo and amble along with the atheistic and humanistic herd and parrot their irrational and unrealistic nonsense just in order to be accepted by them and not thought to be "strange" and "stupid" by them, instead of daring to disagree with them and truly think for yourself. It is better to be considered a "fool" by the world than to be considered a FOOL by God!
Those are the two main reasons why you aren't a true lionheart and so stop calling yourself something that you very clearly are not or else just get used to and stop objecting to my calling you what you very clearly are. You call me by my real name because, as a MAN!!! does, I have given it to you and everyone else here. So, just give us your real name and I'll call you by that.
The Saints were and are true Lionhearts because they stood up against the world and professed Christ, even at the risk of their lives and being martyred, just as our soldiers in W.W.II and other wars risked and, sometimes, gave their lives for our freedom.
Nobody, such as yourself, who goes along with worldly "thinking" just to avoid being different than the herd or because you can't rise above it or let yourself be raised above it by faith in God qualifies as an actual lionheart. St. Maximilian Kolbe was a true Lionheart when he stood up against the Nazis and gave his life to save another man from being starved to death in a bunker.
Read the lives of the Saints and learn about actual Lionhearts before you try to pass yourself off as one and hide behind that term in here and, maybe, you could learn how to be a true lionheart, too. It's not likely, but it could happen. They fought and died for our spiritual freedom, just as soldiers fought and died for our earthly freedom, which is why saints are called soldiers of Christ.
You're not getting to anyone, no matter how much you try to aggrandize yourself or what your ego tells you, but we are merely correcting your errors and lies about yourself and other matters. Get real about that, too, as well as your whole life! It is the height of success in logic to correct false statements of people about themselves and other matters, even though you refuse to see and admit it.
Did you learn your evasive tactics at secular school or do they just come naturally to someone such as yourself?
I admit I have read the first few lines of your diatribe, which I don’t normally bother doing.
Richard, the Lionheart, aka, Richard Coeur de Lion, was known as a great Crusader.
I too, am on a similar crusade, but in reverse, to help those who have been led astray by Religion. My crusade does not involve the loss of life.
It’s as simple as that, John. I’m sorry you don’t like it, but it is what it is. Hang in there, and keep talking to your imaginary friend, if you get comfort from doing that. 🤗
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You only read the first few lines of my post because you can't stand to read more than a little truth at a time and can't stand any disagreement with your nonsense, no matter what lies you tell yourself, as usual, as to why you read only a few lines of it.
You aren't anything like Richard the Lionheart and it is only your delusions about yourself, as usual, and egotism that tell you that you are. You also aren't conducting a crusade against Christianity in here in this blog, where nobody is listening to or believing you at all.
If you aren't just picking people who are totally unlike yourself as your handle and avatar in here, such as Richard the Lionheart, who was a Crusader for Christianity, why don't you pick someone who actually spoke against Christianity or fought against Christianity as your handle, such as Nietzsche, Stalin, Marx, or some other anti-Christian, which would be much more logical and consistent.
You are in favor of the loss of life because anti-Christian practice and teaching has led to the loss of life in abortions, wars, genocides, mass shootings, serial killings, and other worldly evils, and you side with the world, the flesh, and the devil against God and Christianity.
If you want to conduct a crusade against Christianity, go out on the lecture circuit and write books against Christianity and do it far more effectively than just talking to people in here, and make money while you're at it. And don't deprive the world of your "great wisdom" on this matter. That would be a crusade, not just talking to people here or there where you are.
We understand why you want to present your talking with people here as a "crusade", in order to "dignify" and aggrandize that beyond what it actually is, but you are only fooling yourself and other easily deceived and gullible people here with that, since the rest of us are wise to you and your desperate tactics.
That is what it is really as simple as, but go ahead and lie to yourself as you always do, and couldn't not do, if you tried. Keep talking, once again, to your imaginary friend of the mindless universe that is doing anything for itself, if that gives you any comfort and helps you to get through the day.
We reasonable people will go on believing in the God manifested in the universe by logic, science, and reason. Let's also see if ULC will let me respond to you this time, instead of denying me that response again.
Awe….it looks as though you responded to my post. You’re the best. 🤗 Thank you.
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It's just "Aw", not "Awe". Learn how to spell. People only reply to your posts to contradict you, since you never say anything but something stupid. There is no reason for you to be thankful or arrogant for that, except in your confused "thinking"!!
You still haven't explained why just talking to the same ten or less people in here over and over again and them disagreeing with you amounts to a "crusade", instead of going out to the country and the world on a lecture tour and writing books.
You haven't explained why you would pick someone who is totally unlike yourself as your handle in here and was one of these Christians that you ridicule in here, instead of picking someone who spoke out and fought against Christianity, the same as you say that you do just in here, and did so against millions more people than you do as your handle.
So, try to answer those questions and not be evasive and game playing again, if that isn't too much for you to do and is non-"ad hominem" and respectful enough for you and ULC, if there is anything that fits into that category that could ever be said in response to you.
I don’t need, or intend, to explain anything to you, John.
Your understanding, due to an obvious lack of education, really isn’t worth it.
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That is just more evasiveness and game playing on your part because you know that you don't have an intelligent answer (your first one ever!!, dying of loneliness in your head!) to those questions.
So, you hide out again behind saying that it is my or someone else's "not having education enough to understand", when it is you who has uneducatedly and unintelligently chosen someone totally unlike yourself and a Christian yet as your handle in here and chosen to call talking just to people in here who ignore and disagree with you a "crusade", instead of going out to the world with your nonsense and crusading that way.
But we all know your severe limitations and games by now and so understand very well why you are doing those things, since you are so uneducated yourself and merely transfer that on to other people.
Your not being able to think any better for yourself than "thinking" that talking to ten or less people over and over again, who ignore and disagree with you, is a "crusade", and using someone totally unlike yourself as your handle in here, and using "Awe" where "Aw" belongs is more proof of your being wrong about your atheism or anything bigger than yourself.
Atheism is disproved by logical deductive reasoning. If we and all other intelligent life throughout the universe didn't create the universe before any of us were even here to do it (a logical impossibility) and we aren't ingenious enough to do it if we had been here, and the mindless universe itself didn't create itself, that only leaves one logical and reasonable possibility: God Who is above the universe created it.
God couldn't require to be created Himself because then He would be in the same situation as His creation and His contingent creation, which can't think for itself, would never be created. So, there must be a non-contingent Being for anything contingent to ever exist.
What even you can figure out for a house (that someone made it), you should be able to figure out for something trillions of times more complex than a house (that Someone made it, too), and would figure out, if that didn't get in the way of what you want to do and how you want to "think".
Your not seeing and admitting that or following that deductive reasoning is more proof of your not thinking clearly and reasonably.
Why do you "think" that just talking to a few people in here and not being listened to or agreed with by them is a "crusade", instead of going out on the lecture circuit and writing books' being a crusade?
Why do you call yourself after someone that you aren't like at all, who was a Christian, the same as those that you ridicule in here, instead of after someone who spoke and fought against Christianity?
What are your answers to the other points and questions in my posts?
Already explained above. Sorry, you lack comprehension, evidenced by your usual diatribe.
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And I already successfully refuted (even if not in your distorted view) your "explanation" above, which you said that you had no intention of giving me --- and so were proved wrong again, and which should show up here tomorrow. And showed your lack of comprehension.
You’re wrong as usual, John.
Aw = Used to express mild protest, or mild disappointment.
Awe = A feeling of reverential respect and endearment.
Check it out. It’s okay that you’re wrong. I’m used it it from you, John.
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You don't even see or admit to your own very wrong "thinking" and so that makes it impossible for you to see any wrong thinking in other people. "First remove the beam from your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye".