UPDATE 01/26/26: The unrest in Minneapolis has only intensified with the January 24 shooting of Alex Pretti by an ICE agent. Pretti, an ICU nurse for the US Department of Veterans Affairs in Minneapolis, was filming at an anti-ICE protest when he was wrestled to the ground by ICE agents and shot in the back at least ten times. Pretti was legally carrying a handgun, but was not brandishing it during the incident.
There has been widespread backlash in the wake of the shooting, including from faith leaders. Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey – one of the highest ranking Catholic officials in the United States – even urged his fellow Catholics to tell their congressional representatives to reject ICE funding, calling it a "lawless organization."
In response to ICE funding, Tobin said: "I think if we are serious about putting our faith in action, we need to say 'no,' each one of us. What saying ‘no’ looks like today is by telling the truth about what is happening and honoring those whose lives are upended."
He continued: "We mourn for a world, a country, that allows 5-year-olds to be legally kidnapped and protesters to be slaughtered."
The original story, detailing disruption of a Minneapolis church service by anti-ICE advocates, is below.
Do activists have a right to take their protest to the pews?
That’s the question many are asking after roughly three dozen protesters – among them former CNN host Don Lemon – entered Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota chanting “ICE out” and “Justice for Renee Good” in support of the woman killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis earlier this month.
The protesters say they chose to disrupt a service at Cities Church because one of its pastors, David Easterwood, heads a local ICE field office.
Demonstrators argue that Easterwood has overseen the brutalization and illegal arrests of immigrants and peaceful protesters alike. In recent court filings, he has reportedly defended the use of flash-bang grenades and tear gas on protesters.
Critics say the demonstration was a desecration of a house of worship. Meanwhile, protesters say that desperate times call for desperate measures.
Protest in the Pews
Some three dozen protesters livestreamed themselves entering Cities Church in St. Paul in the midst of Sunday service. Loudly chanting anti-ICE messages, they made their way unobstructed through the pews and up to the pulpit. Footage from the livestream shows parishioners visibly confused and alarmed at the interruption.
For Don Lemon, the act was one of righteous protest in the name of Christ. "Jesus turned the tables over in the temple, right? He flipped the tables because He was tired of them not doing what they're supposed to do in His Father's house, and not living up to the tenets of Christianity," Lemon said in an interview following the protest.
However, many faith leaders spoke out in the church’s defense, arguing that disrupting religious service was simply a step too far.
“No cause — political or otherwise — justifies the desecration of a sacred space or the intimidation and trauma inflicted on families gathered peacefully in the house of God,” wrote Kevin Ezell, president of the North American Mission Board. “What occurred was not protest; it was lawless harassment.”
“An outrageous assault” is how National Religious Broadcasters CEO Troy A. Miller described the protest. He continued:
“Christians are under siege as the most persecuted religious group in our nation, facing escalating hostility from those who seek to silence our faith. These protesters didn't just interrupt a service, they desecrated a sacred sanctuary, frightened families, harassed innocent believers, and directly challenged our constitutional right to worship without fear or coercion.”
How Is the Trump Admin Responding?
Trump officials also rallied to the church’s side. Harmeet Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Justice, wrote on social media: “A house of worship is not a public forum for your protest! It is a space protected from exactly such acts by federal criminal and civil laws!”
Meanwhile, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi vowed that protesters would be investigated and prosecuted by the Trump DOJ.
Don Lemon's presence got special attention from the White House, prompting an official response from President Trump, who said Lemon “accosted” the pastor and called him a “loser” and a “lightweight”.
Critics of the Trump administration say there's a clear double standard at play when it comes to protesting in the pews. They argue that incidents of worship disruption at pro-LGBTQ+ churches like Joy Metropolitan Ministries in Orlando, Florida, received no attention or response from Washington.
Following Jesus’ Example?
While some clearly feel the protest overstepped the line, advocates say it was necessary to call out hypocrisy within the church.
“When you think about the federal government unleashing barbaric ICE agents upon our community and all the harm that they have caused, to have someone serving as a pastor who oversees these ICE agents, is almost unfathomable to me,” said Nekima Levy Armstrong, who helped organize the protest and who is also an ordained reverend.
“If people are more concerned about someone coming to a church on a Sunday and disrupting business as usual than they are about the atrocities that we are experiencing in our community, then they need to check their theology and the need to check their hearts.”
Armstrong also says she’s simply doing what Jesus would do. “Jesus… went into the so-called houses of God, he flipped over tables… So that’s what we did today. We flipped over a table for truth, justice, and righteousness.”
What is your response? Are houses of worship simply too sacred a space to politicize with protest? Or do historic moments call for a historic response?
154 comments
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Gary. Collins
They came in Illegally therefore they’re already without any legal rights. To disrupt a Church like that should be illegal in its self.
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Maria
If ICE is truly looking for criminal (murderers, rapists, felons, etc.) illegals and not just illegal immigrants who want to become citizens, then I'm all for ICE doing their jobs. And any illegal that is here and wishes to become an American citizen, should be allowed to go through the immigration process and get documented! And I also believe that these illegals should learn the American language and stop being catered to in their language. They should learn the history of our country and have allegiance to this country. My ancestors came here from Italy decades ago and learned the language, honored the American flag, celebrated the American holidays, and still celebrated their Italian traditions in their homes. We got nothing for free, and nor should anyone else unless you qualify for it. But above all, we were upstanding law abiding citizens! Citizens that built this country from the ground up and not drained the country financially! We asked for nothing and got nothing!
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JoM
Years past, "the Church", spoke in general terms of morals, honesty, and the lessons of Jesus. This put the church on sacred ground. But, recently, "the church" has become political. It's weighed in on topics of gay people just being gay, immigration reform , etc and mandatory donation to the church. All of this moves the church from sacred ground into a political arena. I believe that the teachings of Jesus REQUIRES us to shine a light on this morphing of his house into something less. His teachings are to encompass us all..he loved us ALL..to practice any type of division violates his teachings. And when its the pastor who espouses those beliefs, the congregation MUST speak out!
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Michael Eugene Noyer
No religious representative of any kind should have a leading position in government. Regardless of how high up the ladder that position might hold. Separation of church and state is there for a reason.
If churches do not want involvment from pretestors and want those protections and respects to be upheld. Then they should have been more outraged when ice was walking in and dragging people out of their halls
Ice in its current state is not functioning as intended. They have no business harassing people in the streets,pulling children out of schools,or dragging workers and honest employees out of their jobs and homes. They are acting like untrained tyrants that abuse power that was not awarded to them by the American people.
I'm for the protests at the church purely because of its involement in with Ice. He can either step out if the church or resign from Ice. And stop pretending to be a good Christian on the weekends when it's convenient.
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Michael Eugene Noyer
No religious representative of any kind should have a position in government. Or vice versa. Period. Desperation of church and state is there for a reason.
If churches do not want involvment from pretestors and want thise protection and respects to be upheld. Then they should have been more outrages when ice was walking in and dragging people out of their halls
Ice in it current state is not functioning as intended. They have no business harassing people in the streets,pull children out of schools,or dragging workers and honest employees out of their jobs. They are acting like untrained tyrants that abuse power that was not awarded to them by the American people.
I'm for the protests at the church purely because of its involement in with Ice. He can either step out if the church or resign from Ice. And stop pretending to be a good Christian on the weekends when it's convenient.
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Oversure Overture
Out of all the nonsense spouted off here, “illegal aliens” really colours in the brainwashed ignorance behind it all. Thank you for cementing my suspicions.
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John P Maher
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CJC
Law enforcement are trained to shoot to kill when they see a gun ready to be used. Some restraint needs to be applied at times.
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Bryan Woerner
Since Trump told his ice goons that they can enter churches to pull people out, something that has always been considered a safe space, then protestors are allowed to enter an do the same to someone who says he is a pastor yet goes against the teachings he studied.
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Jake Harrison
Taking Jesus's actions out of context is despicable. If you dont understand THE WHY of it then you dont need to preach or even speak on it. The hypocrisy yes, but they were protesting ice against illegal immigrants. The context is NOT the same. Defending criminals who harm your lands should be a disgrace matched by the consequences. Jesus would nit adhere or approve of defending child sex predators. Period!!
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Michael Hunt
Why do you think undocumented immigrants are child sex predators who harm our lands?
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Johnnie Roberte Lambert
Oh, Really? Then I'll be waiting for the lightning bolts to strike the white house and all of the fascists in residence. And palm beach.
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Thomas J Alderson
First, it is not OK to interrupt a church service ever. Is it alright to come to your work and shout at you because I feel your a bad neighbor? Or you abuse your dog by leaving it out in the cold?
Interesting enough in the Minnesota there appear to be no local law enforcement from City or State at any of the protests. Essentially the "protestors" have been given free rein to do what they please. Denigrating Law Enforcement personnel during the performance of their duty. Is not worthy of our communities. Interfering with law enforcement is illegal. Finally, never bring a firearm to a protest, that speaks to the possible of deadly force.
If you believe that illegal immigration into our country is OK, then you need a reality check. It's not OK, it is a burden on our society and resources. Explain to me how you have been here for 10 plus years and never took steps to be here legally. Only when they are caught here do they have the desire to speak out and say they love it here and want to stay and it is unfair.
Act or be acted upon. Can't pay your tax make arrangements with the IRS, here illegally get a immigration lawyer. Don't care about our system of laws do nothing and get scooped up.
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Michael Hunt
"Finally, never bring a firearm to a protest, that speaks to the possible of deadly force."
So much for the Second Amendment, then. If bringing a firearm to a protest is justification for a government official to kill you, we don't have the right to bear arms.
I'd like to know why you believe undocumented immigrants are a burden on our society and resources. They're not eligible for any government benefits or assistance such as medicare, social security, or EBT but they contribute billions of dollars to the government in taxes.
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
Also, the overwhelming majority of undocumented immigrants in the US want to immigrate through legal means and many have tried or are trying to do so but get denied for things such as being considered a "low-skilled" worker or because of a quota system that puts the same cap on migrants coming from England as they do Mexico despite a significant difference in demand.
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Billy Coley
Reading the comments on here is very disheartening. The lack of actual knowledge and the twisting of what was said in the Bible is just pathetic. The few bits of antisemitism are disgusting...
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Billy Coley
If you think that the protest didn't follow the examples set by Jesus, you are a fake 'christian' and/or just never read the Bible.
In general, if you condone or are silent about what ICE and border patrol has been doing, you can't call yourself a Christian.
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Stella L. Wright
I served in law enforcement when I was [much] younger. ICE officers are well-trained Federal law enforcement officers, and as such, should be respected. Part of their training is that it is necessary to make fast decisions that can mean the difference between life and death for them and others. They are human, too, and mistakes have been made.
These protests have been over-the-top. Protesters are impeding their assigned duties. Lies are being propagated. Law enforcement officers cannot do their job because of the violent protesters that are at the least standing in their way, and at worst trying to kill them; protesters are regularly assaulting the officers on duty. Assaulting any law enforcement officer is a violent crime. ICE Officers are taking custody of illegal aliens, most of whom have committed terrible, violent crimes against American Citizens. For the most part, illegal aliens who have not committed any crime except entering the USA without permission, are left alone.
ICE agents are not doing anything illegal, and they need to be allowed to do their jobs.
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Michael Hunt
While I can't speak to your law enforcement history, almost everything else you said is false.
ICE officers, at least under the current administration, have shown they are not well trained officers, nor should being well trained as law enforcement be automatic reason for being respected. Mistakes do get made, but you cannot tell me that the final shots taken at Alex Pretti was a mistake due to a fast decision. The victim is lying on the ground, not moving, and yet an officer continued to fire at him.
There are not violent protesters attacking ICE agents. There are protesters watching what ICE is doing, making sure people's rights aren't being violated, and in some cases peacefully blocking ICE facilities to hinder their actions in protest of ICE's violent actions. So far, 9 people have died due to ICE officers this month, 7 of which were people in detention, one of those deaths has been determined a homicide by a medical examiner and a witness says officers strangled the man to death. Meanwhile, I have not heard of a single ICE officer being killed, let alone seriously injured.
ICE is not only going after violent criminals; the majority of those detained or deported have no criminal record at all besides their immigration status. ICE is harassing and detaining US citizens because they are racially profiling for possible undocumented immigrants to deport. Multiple US citizens and legal residents have been detained by ICE without cause and there are plenty of videos out there of ICE officers approaching a person of color and asking them for their papers. That's not a free country.
Yes, lies are being perpetuated, but you're the one perpetuating them.
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Johnnie Roberte Lambert
Mistakes have been made? Taking innocent lives because they exercise their right to non-violent protest? Much like the Civil Rights movement, right? Real ICE agents may be trained, but these are not all "real" ICE agents. The second amendment which you uphold even in the aftermath of multiple mass school shootings doesn't apply to anyone except Reds, right? People marching and holding cameras (that's the real offense, not the gun) to document the barbarity is the problem right? This country has devolved into a sycophantic dictatorship led by Nazis.
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Oversure Overture
This comment must be one of the mistakes you speak of. Out of all the nonsense spouted off here, your use of the phrase “illegal aliens” really colours in the ignorance behind it all. Thank you for cementing my suspicions.
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James Sermoner
Did Jesus not go into the synagogue and protest the money changers by overturning their tables?
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Cam Kirmser
They went beyond the pale. Every one of those "protesters" needs to be arrested and thrown behind bars. Storming a church is NOT what is meant by "peaceably assemble."
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Ari Joseph Bertine
Any church led by an ICE officer has already been defiled and desanctified and is no longer a sacred space, nor is any ritual led by an ICE officer holy. No one can choose to become a professional predator and still have any meaning or worth as a human being, let alone as a spiritual leader. Interrupting a parody of worship is not anywhere near as disrespectful as a willing murderer standing in a space dedicated to love and pretending he isn't a vessel of pure hatred.
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LORD RICHARD WELCH
The Church should be sacred ground to the parishioners who paid out of pocket to build our Church!!! Protest OUTSIDE or go home!! Do NOT disrupt Church Services for any sect!!!
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Bryan Woerner
The moment Trump said that ice can go into churches to pull people out, that opens the door to protest inside as well. It has to go both ways. You might want facism but most do not. We are or were a free country before the orange idiot.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Sorry Bryan, but both are wrong, IMO.
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David G Rathbun
You have to break some eggs to make an omelet. Standing up to thugs is the most Christian and moral action a citizen can take. Rev. A.W. Hensley.
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Rodolfo Perez Jr
Evil must be confronted where it lives. Many hide under the cloak of religion. I fully support the protestors.
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John Robert Peters
I would point out that ICE has Not honored the sanctuary of Church and has raided the Church making arrests despite the sanctuary of Church. When a fascist supporting the thugs hides behind a clerical collar he is not immune to consequences.
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Donald V. Dunham
The only thing wrong here is the fact that they entered a sanctuary instead staying outside on public ground. Its that simple.
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Patricia Ann Gross
It is wrong if they don't have a valid arrest warrant for the person being detained. Most churches are honoring those. It's the "Round-em-up raids" and arresting by racial profiling rather than warrants that's wrong and the source of the protests. Don't believe me? Read Amendment 4 to the US Constitution and consider what you would do if you got caught up in one of these raids and detained.
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Ronaldo
How many churches in America have people living in them? If any, it is very rare. If illegal immigrants were found to be in a church, they will probably eventually leave it, and can be picked up by government authorities outside the house of God. If a pastor is engaged in any illegal activity, he could be picked up when leaving the church, or from his home away from the place of worship. There are very, very few good reasons to enter a church while services are in session in order to arrest anyone, unless it happens to be a matter of hot pursuit.
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Tami Tabone
Here is my opinion, fir what it is worth. I find it very hypocritical that a minister is actually an ICE agent. For me, as a person who has been studying holy texts since I was in elementary school, and have a Master's degree in Theology, the very thing that ICE stands for tight now, with all they have done, the cruelties and atrocities, seem in opposition, with a spiritual leader. I am nit sure going into a church to protest, where there are children, was the right thing. That could scare the kids. But protesting that type of hypocrisy is completely in their rights, and I believe well deserved. As far as Christianity, I feel like people need to read their Bibles. My take on the teachings of Jesus show a man who was not politically inclined. He taught kindness and compassion. He taught love of immigrants, welcoming into your country. As a child, he and his family were refugees. He lived others as they were. And the politicians and religious leaders, were the ones who crucified him.
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Rev. B.D. Rees
"NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS"!!
That's exactly what this so called pastor is doing. He is hiding behind the Bible with a white hood on holding a burning cross in his hands, and those who choose to follow this False Pastor choose to wear their white hoods also! Knowing how this man makes his living from Monday through Saturday and still getting up on Sunday to go and listen to a known Bigot doen't make them Church goers, it makes them a crowd of Nazi's listening to a wannabe Hitler!! Now... Did these protesters have to right to enter-in a so-called place of worship? YES indeed they did!! My point is... With this man being at the helm of a Sudo church makes it a Klan meeting place, NOT A CHURCH!! Therefore, they are not protesting in God's house but under the white hooded tent of the Klu-Klux-Klan!!-
James Sermoner
Exactly Rev. It's been my experience that most worthwhile churches advertise that all are welcome.
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Walter Abington
Protest fascism and racism at every opportunity. If fascist hide behind the pulpit and in the pew then the church isn’t really a church. Militias are not churches.
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Joseph Saffomilla
Where do people come up with this nonsense? ICE is doing their job, and these paid protesters are obstructing them in the performance of their duties.
During the scamdemic, the left was known for the slogan "staying home saves lives." Maybe now would be a good time to heed those words.
There was no militia in that church; they were there because one of the pastors was misidentified as an ICE agent, and BTW, the word "fascist" has lost its meaning due to the overuse and misuse of the term. It is an insult to those who suffered at the hands of the Nazis to even consider that term to describe people who are enforcing the law. This is what America voted for.
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Rev. B.D. Rees
I must take issue with the statement "Paid Protesters".... Have you personally seen them getting their paychecks? Do you personally know any protester that has been paid? Can you produce any credible evidence that the protesters are being paid, or are you just blowing off your mouth with the nonsense you hear on Fox news, or some Right-wing podcast?? Enforcing the Law?? TWADDLE!! They are enforcing a madman's agenda and his corrupt minions!!
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Michael Hunt
Wait, people are getting paid to protest? I've been doing for free this whole time when I could be making a buck? Where do I sign up for that?
You know, "staying home saves lives" has a very different meaning when one instance is saving lives from a deadly virus that we know to be causing significant deaths and the other is saving lives from being killed by government officers. The first is about community coming together to protect each other from a serious illness and the other is about being afraid of your government killing you for dissenting, a.k.a. authoritarianism.
You realize the SS were enforcing the law when Nazis were rounding up Jews in Europe, right? Just because someone is enforcing the law doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
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James Sermoner
Joseph Saffomilla, No, The Pastor: David Easterwood, a pastor at Cities Church, was identified in court filings as the acting director of the ICE St. Paul field office. As far as the word fascist losing its meaning due to overuse we'll that just comical. Just as Hitler introduce new policies to arrest and steal property and assets from the Jews using his brown shirts to beat and murder Jews when he became the furor. Trump is doing pretty much the same thing by launching new executive orders which have led to rounding up more innocent immigrants then vicious criminals. He has denied law-abiding immigrants their legal asylum rights of due process and have deported them or detain them in detention camps without a hearing. He has also violated the Constitution by denying US citizens of their 1st, amendment right, of free speech and right to free assembly to protest. And their 2nd second amendment right to bear arms. And their 4th amendment right which guarantees them the right to be secure in their property, person, papers, and effects.
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Deryl Hall
its only a building,the people are the church,if you are a christian your body is the temple of the holy spirit,you dont need a building or a pastor because the holy spirit guides you into all truth.
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Patricia Ann Gross
It is more than "only a building." There is a reason that the primary worship space in a Church is called the "Sanctuary." It is a safe gathering space for people with a common belief to share it in worship.
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Merlin
The German Christian Church, both Protestant and Catholic supported the NAZI movement. Religious does not necessarily equal righteousness.
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Joseph Grieco
Church Service? Not really. The "minister" was part of ICE. The "church" was essentially a white-nationalist club using the trappings of religion to get a tax-exempt status. If this took place in Alabama in the 1950s, it would have been called a Klan meeting.
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Keith David Harry
And what would you have done with all those “Democrats” in their hoods and sheets ?? You do realize Sparky that the Klan was a democratic response to reconstruction. Which your peeps still refuse to recognize.
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Michael Hunt
Ummm... the shift of the Democratic party from its conservative, Southern roots to its current liberal agenda/platform is well documented and acknowledged.
If those hood-wearing Democrats were running for office today, they'd be backed by the Republicans. Their views are/were abhorrent and should have no place in America, regardless of political party.
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Harvey Darwin Myers II
So if someone disagrees with you then you are ok with them going anywhere to intimidate you? If it's good for those you call fascists and racists then it will be good for them when they label you the same..
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Michael Hunt
This is the response from the left to the rise of far-right extremism. The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer went all over the country to start fist fights with their political opponents and those on the left are standing up against them and fighting back.
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Jim Graham III
Let’s get to the fact that America accepts LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ! Come here LEGALLY and we have no problems ! So point blank get out and enter America 🇺🇸 correctly !
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Michael Hunt
Unless those legal immigrants are from one of 75 countries where people of color are the majority, in which case the Trump administration has increased restrictions on people from those countries, making it harder, if not impossible for someone from that country to reside here legally or even come to the country.
I could be wrong but I believe the only country currently on the list that doesn't have a population predominantly made up of those of color is Russia and we all know why they're being sanctioned.
https://www.cfr.org/articles/guide-countries-trumps-travel-ban-list
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Patricia Ann Gross
And don't forget the preferential treatmet and allowances for those coming from South Africa, specifically and ONLY if they are WHITE.
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Thomas L. Knapp
I'm opposed to trespassing in general, and to interrupting or disrupting worship services in particular. They're private, peaceful exercises of an important right and should be respected.
I do find it odd, however, that a Southern Baptist church would employ a pastor who moonlights as a human-sacrificing devil-worshiper. Just sayin' ...
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ServantOfJudgement
Elderly people, women and innocent naive children were in that satanic attack of anarchy. As apparent Nazi, they terrorize the helpless, protect and defend rapists and molesters.
They want blood friends. They don't care who's blood either. Any blood shed advances their rancid ideology. They're terrible and evil.
The rotted mouths scream words like Nazi and fascist while they beat brown people for wearing coats that say Freedom. They terrorize children in churches and bully the elderly. They've beaten their own militant unconscious on accident, thinking he wasn't a fellow anarchist.
There's a reason the wolf has been eradicated from the eastern states. Too many men lost too many children. At the tipping point the men took action to set things right and decimated the entire population into nothing but a faded memory.
You wolves better stay clear of our churches and parishioners. What an interesting turn of events it would be that you cause the Christians to rise up, put down the wolves and claim the nation. You could be causing that Christian nation you're so terrified of.
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Patricia Ann Gross
It sounds like a perfect description of the ICE dividion of DHS.
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Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan
you cannot serve two masters, when both stand on the opposite side of an issue. He should be defrocked for going against the words of his religion. I hope his church empties and people find better leadership.
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ServantOfJudgement
What words of his religion did he go against?
There are over 780k words in the KJV bible. I'll go get a cup of coffee while you look through the book. Start in Genesis and pray for understanding.
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James Sermoner
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James Sermoner
Servant, may Dylan also be allowed to use the Bibles from the other 300 major ecclesiastical Christian religions? And the thousands of smaller, independent, and indigenous groups that create a total of roughly 45,000 to 47,000 Christian entities globally? BTW, I'm a Cathar, otherwise known as a Gnostic Christian. Just as Jesus was, a member of the Essenes who were also Gnostic Christians in the 2nd century AD.
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Harvey Darwin Myers II
So all Christians cannot have a job? All Pastors cannot have another job? How do you figure? Doing his job as the head of ICE, would that not be "Give to Ceasar. what is Ceasar's"?
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Evone L Payton Banks (Minister/Rev non denominational)
If the leader of the Church doesn't have a problem with the protest neither should onlookers. If the protest is truly peaceful, then it wouldn't be offensive to anyone. What we have here is a case of hidden violence waiting for opportunity. There are ways of protest that do not lead to violence. And all ICE agents are not responsible for the death of Mrs Good. To hold all to her death is unfair. And dare I say it's looking more like she was murdered for being lesbian... Not for being a criminal?
You have to remember religion has always played the role of devil's advocate because the folk hiding from truth use religion as a crutch.
When our younger generation sees this they do the opposite. They do this because they're learning violence doesn't get change done. And they face more violence being peaceful than those who show up starting or inciting "war" against an oppressor. Again, you have to look at both sides of this conversation in order to see the truth. ICE is not to blame as a whole, and using religion to protest is inviting and inciting. Protest because she was murdered, protest because you have evidence of that. But impeding the job of a federal officer is only asking for more trouble. Facts before action is what needs to be acknowledged.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I find it an oxymoron for someone to be an ICE agent AND a minister. The two “professions” are totally incongruous. When a minister becomes an ICE agent, they stop serving god and start playing god. I would not have protested the way they did, but I approve of their protest.
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Sir Lionheart
He obviously loves his country, and his religion, and also believes in enforcing the laws that we have here by helping to remove illegal immigrants that should never have been allowed in, or who have overstayed their visas thinking that no one would notice. Fortunately, over 2 million illegal aliens have done the right thing and voluntarily left the country, which is obviously a very wise decision for them and their families. Those that volunteer to leave will have the option of applying to re-enter legally, thats how it should be.
I wonder if Tom Homan will receive a medal for his services to the nation from this administration like he did under President Obama in 2015 for his work leading ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations.
https://www.facebook.com/JoshGuillory2023/posts/president-obama-honored-tom-homan-with-a-2015-presidential-rank-award-for-his-wo/1310234437589359/
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ServantOfJudgement
Hardly so Paula.
Ministers here on this blog have declared they want Christians dead. A very nice and peaceful Muslim here would like a Quran crammed down my throat. Some of the extremely tolerant ministers here want my children taken from me because I tell them they were created. God forbid I teach my boys to be proper men. Yuck, right?
Hearing that a law abiding Christian preacher wants to see law followed shouldn't shock you very much at all, even if you're accustomed to and promote lawlessness.
How nice it is to be free in the head with order in the heart.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The pastor heading an ICE office a justified reason to interrupt services.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
No it is not a justified reason. It's simple harassment and you know it.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Unless you want to let ICE agents swarm church sanctuaries, protesters have no cause to disrupt services either. You can't have it both ways.
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ServantOfJudgement
I think you can Patricia.
If a dude who raped my daughter was hiding in church and protected by the church goers, I want the fuzz in that church quick and now. I want anyone who protected the criminal in front of a judge the next day.
Churches are in the wrong while harboring fugitives.
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Patricia Ann Gross
There's another option. Surround the church, and wait for the person to leave after the service concludes. Negotiate a release with the pastor or church elders. If I believed that the ICE agents were going after rapists with a valid warrant I might think differently, but they aren't. They pick a church because of the number of immigrants going there, and then round everyone who has dark skin or speaks with an accent up. They aren't using due process, and that's the problem. They are trying to meet Stephen Miller's arbitrary 3,000 arrests each day to secure their sign-on bonuses.
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ServantOfJudgement
Manuel Noriega spent 10 days protected in a church while surrounded by US forces afraid of just going in to get him. That cost $40 million.
We ended up blasting rock and roll music so loud it practically made the walls melt. They attacked the church with sound. Not good. Funny, but not good.
No games, no fluff, no woosie stuff. Just go get the criminal, if the priest and parishioners are protecting him, jail them too. Sorry to be so hard boiled but I don't like games.
Furthermore, that illegal alien could also be wanted for rape or murder. You really think that's a noble cause to protect a fugitive guilty of crimes you don't know what they are?
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Patricia Ann Gross
How can someone be guilty of crimes you don't know what they are? In this country, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It's in the Constitution, if you need a refresher. Federal Law, established and ratified June 21, 1788. It is illegal for ANY LEO to round up people and throw them into detention centers because of what they "might have done," there is a pesky little thing called "probable cause for arrest." If you are ever arrested for something you didn't do, you would sing praises to God for those provisions, established by the founding fathers.
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Michael Hunt
Manuel Noriega was a military leader, not an undocumented immigrant. One has shown a history of violence while the other is generally a hardworking member of their community.
If the person is wanted for rape or murder, the police should arrest them, try them, and jail them if found guilty. Please provide any example of someone harboring an undocumented immigrant who was wanted for a serious, violent crime.
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ServantOfJudgement
That's the problem Michael. Nobody knows who they're protecting, what they've done. A church in no way should stand between law and law breakers.
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Michael Hunt
You really don't realize how much your words echo those used by the Nazis?
In reality, many people do know who they are protecting because they are members of their community. If there is reasonable cause to believe someone has committed a crime, get a judicial warrant to arrest them. These churches aren't ignoring judicial warrants, they're not allowing federal agents to enter their building without their permission, per the 4th amendment.
Again, please provide any example of someone harboring an undocumented immigrant who was wanted for a serious, violent crime.
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James Sermoner
Are you referring to these dudes that were all hiding in plain sight among their parishioners. Here's just a short list holier than thou child sexual predators.
Numerous clergymen, primarily within the Roman Catholic Church but also in Protestant and non-denominational institutions, have been found guilty of sexual abuse, grooming, and child exploitation over the past several decades. While thousands have been accused, the following are notable examples of individuals who were criminally convicted or pleaded guilty to predatory sexual behavior. High-Profile Catholic Clergy Convictions Cardinal George Pell: The former Vatican treasurer was convicted in Australia in 2018 for sexually assaulting two choir boys in the 1990s. His conviction was later overturned by the High Court of Australia in 2020 after he had served time in prison. John Geoghan (Boston): Accused of abusing over 130 children, Geoghan was sentenced to 9–10 years in prison in 2002 for indecent assault. He was murdered in prison in 2003. Paul Shanley (Boston): Known as the "Street Priest," he was sentenced in 2005 to 12–15 years for raping a six-year-old boy. James Porter (Massachusetts): Pleaded guilty in 1993 to molesting 28 children, though he admitted to abusing over 100. He was sentenced to 18–20 years in prison. Rudolph Kos (Dallas): Sentenced to life in prison in 1998 for aggravated sexual assault of multiple altar boys. Robert McWilliams (Cleveland): Sentenced to life in prison in 2021 for child sexual exploitation and pornography; he died by suicide in prison in 2022. Richard Daschbach (East Timor): An American priest defrocked by the Vatican and sentenced to 12 years in prison in 2021 for abusing girls in a shelter he founded. Robin Vadakkumchery (India): Sentenced to 20 years in prison in 2019 for raping a 15-year-old girl. Teddy Labour (Mauritius): A priest arrested and convicted for molesting a young churchgoer. Brendan Smyth (Ireland): A serial offender who abused children over four decades across Ireland and the US. Protestant/Evangelical Convictions Robert Morris (Gateway Church, USA): The founder of the Texas megachurch pleaded guilty in 2025 to child sex abuse charges involving a 12-year-old girl in the 1980s. Randy Saylor (Living Word International, USA): A former associate pastor who pleaded no contest to 11 counts of criminal sexual conduct with children in 2026. Tony Alamo (USA): A cult leader convicted in 2009 of transporting minors across state lines for sex, sentenced to 150 years in federal prison. Feyi Daniels (Nigeria): The founder of Irene Christian Ministry was sentenced to life in prison for rape. Key Figures Convicted of Covering Up Abuse Monsignor William Lynn (Philadelphia): The first U.S. church official convicted (2012) of endangering the welfare of a child for his role in covering up and shielding predatory priests. Prolific Offenders and Repeated Assignments Michael Baker (Los Angeles): Identified as one of the archdiocese's most prolific abusers; he admitted to abuse, was sent to treatment, allowed to return to ministry, and then convicted in 2007, later violating parole. Gilbert Gauthe (Louisiana): Confessed in 1985 to abusing 37 children, though estimations suggest a much higher number. His case was one of the first major, widely covered Catholic scandals in the US. Robert Gale (Boston): Sentenced in 2004 to over 4 years in prison for raping a 10-year-old altar boy after being transferred between parishes for decades despite complaints. These cases are part of a broader, global crisis that has led to thousands of allegations, resulting in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles settling for $660 million in 2007 and the Archdiocese of Boston paying over $100 million in settlements.
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ServantOfJudgement
James, that's terrible. I wish it never happened. Those churches should have been confiscated, sold and the money given to the victims.
Here's the numbers from public schools from 2015-2022: 42,000+ REPORTED cases of sexual abuse in public schools in 7 years. You'll need more pages than the Bible to list all those cases huh?
I wish people would care about all sexual crimes, not just crimes from sexual deviants in the church.
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ServantOfJudgement
Yeah but you've said if you could, you'd wipe out all Christians Z. A Christian having a pizza sauce on his face or a lisp is justification enough for you snuff out the soul of a Christian.
Your acting like a stone age barbarian fresh from the forest.
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Sir Lionheart
Is anyone really surprised? It’s what we have come to expect by these organised socialist/communist civilian criminals. Some of them are career rioters/thugs, possibly paid for by George Soros, hell bent on causing mayhem. It’s not just in that church, it’s anywhere where people are attempting to peacefully protest, or worship. Anyone that is white are now being classed as fascists unless they can insist/prove they didn’t vote for President Trump, but in reality, these are the true fascists. They are totally against law and order, and hate the United States and all that it stands for. Please don’t try and tell me otherwise because if you do, you are part of the problem.
It’s about time we all pulled together for the good of the 🇺🇸 country 🇺🇸, no matter which side of the political aisle you are on, and see these civilian riots for what they are.
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Michael Hunt
None of these people are being paid to protest. There is zero evidence to support that. Anecdotally, I've been to lots of protests and know lots of people who attend more regularly than I do and not a single one of us have been paid to be there. If you have some reporting showing a person like Soros funding violent rioters, I'd love to see it.
"Anyone that is white are now being classed as fascists unless they can insist/prove they didn’t vote for President Trump"
This is so absurd and untrue. There are, however, many people who currently support Trump who are indeed fascists and are rightly classified as so, but they're not all white and certainly being white and having previously voted for Trump isn't automatic classification as a fascist. The irony here is that you're calling all of these protestors "socialist/communist civilian criminals" if they are out there protesting and accusing some of them of being "career rioters/thugs, possibly paid for by George Soros, hell bent on causing mayhem" despite no evidence of that.
"They are totally against law and order, and hate the United States and all that it stands for."
Did you forget this country was founded on violent revolution against the British? That was against law and order at the time and now it's a core principle of what the USA stands for. Protesting, especially against violent government agents terrorizing your community, is one of the most American things a person can do.
Apparently, though, telling you this makes me the problem, not the ICE officers throwing tear gas into a family's car while they tried to drive home from a child's basketball game, or the ones who are physically and sexually assaulting detainees, or the ones keeping detainees in inhumane, degrading centers with little to no access to the outside world. It's me and the people saying, "no, you can't take my neighbor and treat them like that" who are the real problem... Madness.
Should all of the Germans in 1940 have pulled together for the good of the Reich and supported the Nazis as they put "undesirables" into concentration camps?
These aren't "civilian riots" by any means but maybe you should consider that "a riot is the language of the unheard" as MLK once said. You should actually try and listen with an open mind instead of a predetermined narrative.
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Lawrence A. Benson
I couldn't agree with you more. It seems as though there is no middle ground anymore. It's always all for or all against every single issue. We've become a nation saturated with snippets of news that are usually editorial opinion rather than fact, quick to judge with minimal information.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
So true. I watch all four Christian Broadcasting News. EWTN, CBN, TBN, CTN and they give the news. They don't opinionated. I watch CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS. I leave Fox out. The worst is CNN and CBS. They literally lie and bend the truth. ABC and NBC are getting better at leaving their opinions out of reporting the news. And that's surprising with NBC.
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Michael Hunt
Christian Broadcasting News is heavily opinionated based on their Christian worldview. They're also known for spreading conspiracies and pseudo-science.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/christian-broadcasting-network-cbn/
ABC and NBC are definitely much more reliable sources.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nbc-news/
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
None of these people are being paid to protest. That isca broad statement. Many of them are full time protestors. They are getting paid. The thing tgat was shot was a paid professional in charge of several organizations labeled as domestic terrorist organizations. And her actions brought anout disastrous consequences. I'm not upset at all. She was told to stop. She didn't. She listened to the 5hibg she was married to. A complete sinful life style. Her ex husband had custody of the three kids because she was deemed unworthy to have custody of the kids by the judge in their divorce proceedings. That says it all. She was a bitter individual. I will stop there. None of these protestors are nice individuals when they defend and harbor illegals. They are all criminals and the protestors are criminals as well stopping and placing agents lives in danger because if their actions in protesting. Harassing agents is outright breaking the law. Protesting is standing on the street corner and staying out of harms way and not blocking thrm or traffic. Personally, I think a few of them getting shot will send a message. Actions have consequences.
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Michael Hunt
Please show me some evidence that the protestors are paid and do so full-time.
Renee Good was a human being, not a "thing," and she was a mother, a wife, and respected member of her community. There is zero evidence that any of the protesters are being paid, let alone Renee. She was not in any way in charge of organizations labeled as domestic terrorist organizations nor did she lose custody of her 2 children from her first marriage; that's completely fabricated propaganda to make you hate and fear your political opponents.
Her last words to the officer were, "I'm not mad at you." The officers last words to her were, "f***ing b****." I think you're confused as to who the bitter individual is here.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I don’t need to be paid to hate the orange bloated creep in the White House; I abhor, loath and despise it for free. May he receive 10x the treatment he has given others.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
DTS. You need a psychiatrist.
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Sir Lionheart
I’m so sorry you let him affect you as much as he does. I understand your feelings for him, many of us had similar feelings for the previous president but we learned to live with it, and we got over it, so it’s definitely doable for you and many others on here who are very obviously struggling and beyond help. Hang in there and let’s see where the next three years takes us. In the meantime, let’s all try and get on with one another as best we can. 🤗
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Michael Hunt
For someone who got over disliking Biden, you sure seem to bring him up a lot to try and defend Trump.
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Sir Lionheart
Unlike your good self I’m lucky because I wake up every day knowing I have at least another wonderful 3 years of success by this administration. Yes there might be some hiccups along the way, but for the most part America 🇺🇸 is being made great once again.
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Michael Hunt
At least another 3 years? Are you trying to insinuate that this administration will continue for an unconstitutional third term?
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Sir Lionheart
Oh no, not at all, that would be totally unconstitutional. It’s very interesting how the mind works isn’t it when people read things? I was referring to the fact that it’s very possible we could have another Republican Party administration depending on the success of this current one.
Interestingly though, don't forget that Franklin D Roosevelt, a Democrat, served 4 terms. 🤭
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Michael Hunt
I'm glad to hear that's not what you're advocating for. We'll get to see in a few years time just how successful this administration has been, although "success" will likely be a subjective term. If you're a fan of the government killing citizens for protesting ICE, tariffs making prices in the US go up, burning bridges with our global allies, and billionaires getting tax breaks while the middle class shrinks then you'd likely feel it's been pretty successful.
As for FDR, he served 4 terms and then the constitution was amended to limit presidents to 2 terms, so I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. For Trump to regularly pitch the idea of a third term, jokingly or not, should concern you.
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James Sermoner
I understand your feelings for him, many of us had similar feelings for the previous president but we learned to live with it, and we got over it, so it’s definitely doable for you and many others on here who are very obviously struggling and beyond help. 🤣🤣Are you joking? Not a day passes, that I don't hear disgusting remarks about President Biden coming from Trump and his supporters.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Very well said.
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James Richard Norby
The protesters committed an act of civil disobedience at a church. Facing arrest is part of that process. Reverend MLK jr used acts of civil disobedience to achieve his goals. My understanding of Christianity makes it difficult that a ranking ICE official to stand as a pastor and teach the beliefs of Jesus as I understand those lessons. WWJD?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Thd beliefs of Jesus. Jesus never upheld breaking the law. He obeyed even civil law of the Roman's. Come on now. You're making Jesus a disruptor and a rebel and radical. He was neither of those things.
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Michael Hunt
Why do you think the Romans crucified Jesus?
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ServantOfJudgement
Michael, the romans crucified Jesus because the mob demanded it. Jesus is innocent.
The church was stormed because the mob demanded it.
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Michael Hunt
They crucified Jesus because they accused him of blasphemy and sedition. Jesus did nothing wrong morally but he was viewed as a rebel dissident by the mob and by state officials who wanted him eliminated as a threat to their power.
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Cam Kirmser
Wrong.
One, Roman policy was to accept any religion, as long as Roman law was obeyed.
Two, it was the Jewish leadership that saw him as a threat and wanted him dead.
Three, perhaps reread - or, read? - a Bible, someday.
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Michael Hunt
He was being acclaimed as "King of the Jews" which was viewed as treason against Caesar.
Perhaps reread - or, read? - a history book, someday.
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James Richard Norby
What "church' was the mob demanding his crucifixion??
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ServantOfJudgement
James,
We don't need to ask what Jesus would do. We know what he did do.
When law breakers broke the law in His house, He fashioned a whip on the spot and drove them from His Temple by whipping them.
Today, some Christians carry firearms....luck was on the side of the satanic anarchists....for now....
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James Richard Norby
Servant, You are saying that trespassing and disorderly conduct are capital offenses??
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Lawrence A. Benson
Thank you for looking at both sides of the issue before commenting. I agree with your statement.
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Patricia Ann Gross
James,
Interesting idea. I wonder how he interprets Matthew 25:35-end, and how he reconciles that with his profession.
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ServantOfJudgement
Patricia,
That's a great reference for charity. We should be charitable and compassionate, especially towards the innocent and downtrodden. Even the imprisoned should be treated well. How do people get imprisoned? What do they do to get in trouble with the law? They violate it. You guys are protected rapists molesters. You think Jesus like you protecting the men who rape his little ones?
Why don't you treat law enforcement with compassion? Why don't you bring Immigration officers hot coffee instead of bullhorns and beer bottles?
Surely you know God enforces law right? Do you really believe God would support lawlessness? Search the Bible for such a passage. God is law, Satan is lawlessness. It 101 type stuff. You're on the wrong side Christian friend.
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Michael Hunt
ICE is not going after only violent criminals. They are going after anyone they think appears to be an undocumented immigrant. The majority of those detained by ICE have no criminal history outside of their immigration status.
We don't treat ICE with compassion because they do not treat others with compassion. They violently assault those in detention, subject them to inhumane detention centers, and have killed 9 people this month. They've thrown a flash bang grenade into a family's car as they left a youth basketball game. Why should we be accommodating to people behaving that way, let alone tolerate it?
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Patricia Ann Gross
Thank you Michael, you said it well. I'll say it again because it is worth repeating until someone finally hears it. We don't oppose arresting criminals as long as they follow the laws of due process. This means they have enough probable cause to obtain a warrant for a specific criminal, and then round them up. Grabbing people off the streets because of how they look or speak is not probable cause, nor is it exigent circumstances. If a rapist is suspected to be in a church during a worship service, take the evidence to a judge, get a search warrant, and arrest the person. Then before you throw put him on a plane to go free in his own country of origin (or another one), try him and incarcerate him here so that justice can be served.
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Patricia Ann Gross
See my reply to Michael Hunt above.
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James Sermoner
Servent, I can think of one instance in the Bible where God supported lawlessness. In exodus, when God handed down his ten commandments unto Moses. And then later to Joshua. Why is it after the 40 years of penance in the desert for disobeying God's commandments, did Joshua and his warriors, and with God's blessing enter into the land of Canaan and immediately start breaking the commandments given to them by God. Here are some of the commandments I believe that Joshua and the Hebrews broke. Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.
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Keoni Ronald May
All houses of worship, especially within the USA, should be free from any protesters entering & disrupting any houses of worship.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Christians say they welcome everyone. What a bunch of liars.
You don't believe in the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech? That's un-American.
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ServantOfJudgement
Lol, if a murder went in to murder Christians you'd defend him and call the Christian hypocrites and lisrs for complaining about all the dead parishioners.
First amendment ends on private property comrade.
Even an idiot knows that. You know that don't you Mr Spindler?
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Michael Hunt
"Lol, if a murder went in to murder Christians you'd defend him and call the Christian hypocrites and lisrs for complaining about all the dead parishioners."
What? Nothing he's said here seems to suggest that any of that is accurate.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
We Christians have been ordered even by Jesus not to associate with sinners who have no iintention of repenting.
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Patricia Ann Gross
If that were true and everyone followed it, this world would be a lonely place and we'd all be hermits.
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James Sermoner
Keith, what are you talking about? Even Jesus associated himself with sinners, what about the perceived sinner, who was not Mary Magdalene? And wasn't it Jesus who said to sinners, " Go forth and sin no more.
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Colleen McAllister
Jesus did not disrupt a service by overturning tables in the temple courts. He was outside the Sanctuary. These protesters went inside the church and protested during a time of Worship. That is crossing the line. As to the Pastor being an ICE agent, that is up to his congregants to allow or not allow their pastor to do that.
As for me, I would not attend a church that supported barbaric acts such as the recent ICE raids. Nazis have no place in America.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
I think you better read that passage again. He was in the area. He was in the Temple Courtyard. That's the Temple. He saud My Fathers House is a House of prayer and you have made it into a den of thieves. Know what you're talking abort before expressing gvan opinion.
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James Sermoner
Here is just the short list of hypocritical pastors that have protested in their churches from the pulpit.
Several prominent evangelical pastors and conservative religious leaders have explicitly criticized, protested, or urged resistance against the policies of the Biden administration from their pulpits. Here are examples of Evangelical pastors who protested or heavily criticized the Biden administration from their pulpits: Robert Jeffress (First Baptist Church of Dallas, TX): In a December 2021 sermon, Jeffress labeled the Biden administration the "ungodliest" in U.S. history. He accused the administration of attacking religious liberty, promoting "immoral transgender philosophy," and opposing restrictions on abortion, declaring, "if the Biden administration doesn't like it, they can hang it on their beak". Ed Young (Second Baptist Church, Houston, TX): In April 2024, Young criticized President Biden from his pulpit, calling his administration "godless" and attacking a proclamation that recognized Transgender Day of Visibility, which coincided with Easter that year. Young referred to the administration's actions as a "godless attack on Christianity". John MacArthur (Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA): Following the 2021 inauguration, MacArthur used his pulpit to warn President Biden against "blaspheming" God. He heavily criticized the administration's stance on LGBTQ+ rights, immigration, and the promotion of transgender rights, framing them as actions against biblical marriage and gender. Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, CA): Hibbs has frequently used his pulpit to criticize the Biden administration and the Democratic party, referring to their policies on abortion and gender as a "death cult". He has urged his congregation not to support the party in national elections. Various Pastors (Resistance Rhetoric): In early 2021, some pastors argued that addressing "resistance to the Biden administration" was part of their pastoral duty regarding issues like the sanctity of life and human sexuality, noting they would not sacrifice "truth" for unity with the new administration.
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Bond Wright
James: A big thank you for publishing all that data! I will utilize it in my lectures, Rev. Bond
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ServantOfJudgement
An important correction Colleen.
Jesus was inside the temple when he turned the money chargers tables.
- The temple was the literal property of God. This was fully known and understood by all Jews at the time.
- God has full authority over His property.
- Jesus is God.
- The owner of the temple passed judgment on those who violated His laws while on His property.
- Jesus and Jesus only had the absolute authority to turn the money changer's tables over and whip the violators in His house.
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Nicholas J Page
No-one should hold protests outside God's home from what I have seen on video the lady was trying to drive away. At no time was she a threat anyone the ice agent was reckless in shooting an innocent woman and should be dealt with
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Patricia Ann Gross
Nicholas,
And likewise ICE has no place holding raids in churches either. I agree with your assessments about the Nicole Good shooting, and the Pretti murder had even less justification from what I've read so far. Things have gotten so far out of hand it's rediculous.
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Brian Hand
You’re not getting the correct information if you don’t think both of them didn’t get what they deserved. Enforcing the law can and should take place anywhere, including church. If law enforcement was in churches more often then maybe priests wouldn’t have gotten away with abusing children for so long.
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James Richard Norby
Nothing they did was a capital offense! Ross, the murderer, did not follow DOJ law enforcement guidelines. Do not stand in front of or behind a car, LEO safety. Do not shoot into a moving car, safety for pedestrians, law enforcement and other vehicles. Real, trained, law enforcement would have not killed either victims.
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Brian Hand
Law enforcement and immigration has EVERY lawful right to enter churches, hospitals & private property to find illegals, criminals & such. Stop protecting them or leave with them.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Not without probable cause, they don't. A local police officer or FBI agen cannot enter a private establishmet or residence to search for evidence or persons unless they have a search and arrest warrant signed by a judge. ICE seems to think this does not apply to them, but give it a week or so, they are starting to get the message.
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Michael Hunt
Not according to the 4th amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
If they don't have a warrant, they can't lawfully enter your home.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-4/
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James Sermoner
Brian, no they don't. Law enforcement need a judicial warrant.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
She was a member of several organizations known to be domestic terrorists. She was no onnocent nice woman. She had every intention to harm some one. She did hit the agent and placed him in the critical revovery bleeding internally. When you're ordered to do something you obey the law or your actions will have consequences. She was blocking the agents from doing their jobs. You should know better yourself to defend a domestic terrorist. If you take the side of the illegals then maybe you should consider packing your bags and be deported to.
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Michael Hunt
Wow that's a lot of misinformation you've been getting there. I don't think a single thing you stated about Renee Good and her actions has any basis in truth.
What organizations known to be domestic terrorists was she a member of? If the agent was critically wounded with internal bleeding, why was he walking around after shooting Renee without any apparent issue? If she was trying to harm the officer, why didn't she drive straight ahead at the officer instead of turning to the right away from him?
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Joseph SCott Queen
She only turned after she had already hit him and she was shot. Internal bleeding has to fill the abdominal cavity with blood to start weakening a person down. And the adrenaline makes one do a lot of things they normally wouldn't do. These people should not be hindering the law enforcement from doing their job of getting criminals out of our country.
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Michael Hunt
From the videos I've watched, her tires were turned away from the agent standing in the front corner of the car before he started shooting. Additionally, it appears he was never hit when comparing multiple angles together as he had already stepped to the side of the car when he began shooting.
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Maria Elisa Koch
He was not hit at all, Noem said he was and had to go to the hospital, for what? He walked away from the car, when was he run over then?
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Brian Hand
It’s all true. Stop being a patsy for the left. She got what she deserved.
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Michael Hunt
It's actually not. Stop being a patsy for the right. Think for yourself.
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Maria Elisa Koch
When did the I.C.E. agent get hit? An innocent person was shot and killed and "the Right" said otherwise, no way.
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Bryan Woerner
She didnt hit him, what video did you watch? Must be some ai crap on Fox News.
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James Sermoner
The organizations Renee Good belong to are listed below. National Lawyers Guild (NLG) Southside Family Charter School ICE Watch / MN Ice Watch. And Alex Pretti, a VA ICU nurse, I imagine belonged to similar groups. These are hardly terrorist organizations get your facts straight.
Not to worry though, here are some facts to help you recognize the difference between community organizers and nationally recognized terrorists groups.
Listed below are the real terrorist groups in the US.
White Supremacist/Far-Right Groups:
Atomwaffen Division (AWD): A neo-Nazi group promoting violence to collapse the government.
The Base: A white supremacist, paramilitary accelerationist group.
Ku Klux Klan (KKK): Historic racial supremacist organization.
Proud Boys: Far-right group involved in the Jan 6 attack.
Aryan Nations: Neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic organization.
Phineas Priesthood: Anti-abortion/anti-Semitic extremist group.
Anti-Government Extremists/Militias:
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA): Far-right survivalist group.
Oath Keepers/Three Percenters: Elements within the militia movement.
Other Violent Extremists: Army of God: Anti-abortion extremist group.
Incels: Involuntary celibate extremism.
Keith, Please do your research on the topic of domestic terrorism, before putting dangerous misinformation out there into the public sphere.
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Joseph SCott Queen
Miss, Good hit the agent with her car. Not so innocent, trying to run over a person with a car. He had internal bleeding after she hit him. I would have shot her too.
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James Richard Norby
Renee Good did NOT hit Ross with her car! Snopes detected an AI simulation that the government put out. If you bother to look at Snopes you will see the truth.
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Rev. MichaelRS
There will always be false teachers and false teachings and in this area the LEFTIST "Faith leaders", as false teachers, are engaging in false teachings to inspire these activists. Here is what I mean;
They're always taking verses from the Old Testament, like from Leviticus 19:33-34 that (paraphrased) say to be kind to the stranger among you and treat them as if they were native born.
That's okay, as far as it goes. But it means if someone visiting from China or Germany or Russia or Canada or Ecuador or Nigeria etc. that you treat them in a friendly, courteous manner.
HOWEVER, what those verses and verses like it do NOT mean is that you have to tolerate those foreigners in your land that break or are breaking the laws of your land.
Particular to this situation when the law they break was how they came into your land in the first place.
So, if you want to talk about treating them like the native born...when a native born person breaks the law they suffer the appropriate penalty.
That could be anything from a temporary detainment to full arrest, receiving a citation and later a fine for some minor offense, county jail time or going to state or federal prison for a major offense.
In the case of people who enter the country illegally the appropriate penalty is arrest and deportation.
OR if they enter the country legally through an asylum application. Then down the line they have their court hearings and their application is not granted and they're issued an order of deportation. But then they fail to follow that order so ICE has to go into the community to get them.
So yes, as far as breaking the law and receiving the appropriate penalties are concerned, illegal immigrants are being treated just like American citizens.
There is nothing in Christian teachings that says a person is exempt from penalties under Earthly laws because of Christian love and charity as outlined in the New Testament.
As far as Matthew chapter 25 goes, If you will look at verse 36 Jesus acknowledges that there are people in prison, but he does not say you have to free them from that, or any other, Earthly justice as an act of compassion (now interpreted as an act of Christian Compassion).
Lastly, why can't an ICE agent or official be a Christian pastor? If a police officer or deputy sheriff or state trooper or FBI agent can all be pastors, why not an ICE agent.
Because, as far as I know, someone enforcing laws you just don't like is not something that would disqualify somebody from being a Christian pastor.
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James Richard Norby
As a resident of Minneapolis, I observe brutality, criminality and unconstitutional acts to citizens and non citizens alike by DHS, CBP and ICE. I find it hard to reconcile their actions with any sense of Christian morality. If local police, county sheriffs deputies or state troopers used those tactics they would face disciplinary action up to and including termination.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Really. There are ministers who support abortion, but, because this guy also happens to be an ICE agent you criticize him for working towards ridding us of illegals, and o ly God knows how many are totally criminal. Our Criminal Code of Law states illegal aliens are criminal. It's a violation of U.S. Law to cole into our country illegally. Come here legally like many families did. I take offense because my family came here and landed at Jamestown. We came here legally. It was not on the first ships. Most of these illegitimate morons were organized to cooe here and paid to do so. Most 3rd world morons aren't going to have a smart phone and thousands of dollars to give to cartels to get them into the country. So please, I am sure you're a liberal to even judge the minister or the approval of the tactics they use. If you were in their shoes facing threats from protestors, some who do mean violence you might be alittle aggressive also. Facing protestors who get their information from leaks out of the DHS which is treason putting agents lives in danger, and the agents are harassed every moment ofvthe working day. Why do yoj crazy Americans defend illegal aliens. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Keith,
I think you're listening to too much of the right wing rhetoric. First, there are few ministers that would advocate for abortions, but will defend a woman's right to choose. Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. You can still be pro-choice and not ever choose an abortion for yourself, but realize that you have no say or standing to judge someone with a different choice.
"Us" Americans aren't defending illegal immigration or the crimes people who broke the law in coming here have committed. We are opposed to rounding up people by the color of their skin (racial profiling) without the due process afforded in the US Constitution. There have supposedly been tens of thousands of violent criminals deported, but nobody at DHS can give you names or an accurate count, or the types of crimes these criminals have committed. We HAVE heard verified stories of people deported for minor traffic violations without an accident involved, missing or showing up late for an immigration appointment when a spouse was in the hospital, and children picked up at day care centers and kindergartens so they can coerce their parents to come in.
This is not getting the "worst of the worst off the streets. It is an edict by Stephen Miller of a quota of 3,000 arrests every day, and hell to pay if you don't reach it. Therefore, if a grandmother, green card holder, or a naturailzed/native citizen gets caught up in the head-count, the ICE agents won't be faced with losing the $50K bonus they were promised.
There's also the moving goalposts of what is the definition of a "legal" immigrant. Trump has "manufactured" close to a million of those without valid documents by cancelling assylum to all but the white South Africans, and canceling valid work VISAs for people from 19 (perhaps more) countries. These are all people who were following the law when they came into this country, and now are in an abyss of legalities to the point that nobody knows what is legal or not, as it changes every time you turn around.
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Michael Hunt
Your family landed in Jamestown, a community built on stolen native land. Trying to take the moral high ground and claim your ancestors came here legally when today's immigrants, who come here in very similar fashion to your ancestors and contribute to our communities instead of killing all the natives, are branded as "illegal criminals" is comical.
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ServantOfJudgement
Slight correction Michael.
That old land was sold or traded. To be fair, sometimes stolen. Nothing new to the initial settlers. Naturally the so called native Americans conducted themselves in the same way with one another. Trading and stealing from each other as humans regularly do.
Let's not paint Mr. Eash's predecessors as thieves or worse when none of us actually know the pure truth of the matter. Let's be optimistic about Mr. Eash's unknown ancestors. Quite a few Europeans dealt proper with the initial settlers to the point of self sacrifice. How very Christian of them.
Let's not accuse a man of theft because his great great great great grandfather purchased something from someone willing to sell it.
My ancestors were slaves for the colonies. What did I steal?
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Patricia Ann Gross
If it wasn't "stolen" what do you call the US Government (as well as the colonies) breaking literally every treaty they negotiated with the Native Americans when something on the land they "gave" them had something they wanted on it. This continues today by the current administration.
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Michael Hunt
I never accused Mr. Eash of being a thief, nor did I accuse his family of being thieves or worse. I only stated that Jamestown, the location his family landed in when coming to this country, was built on land stolen by the settlers. Yes, there was land sold or traded in good faith, but much of it was not. The fact that other groups did similar things does not excuse the wrongs done by another.
https://nativephilanthropy.candid.org/timeline/era/invasion-from-all-directions-stolen-lands-stolen-peoples/
The point I was making was not to paint Mr. Eash's ancestors as thieves or worse; in fact, doing so would have to implicate my ancestors as well. I'm pointing out that the way our ancestors arrived here is not all that dissimilar to the way undocumented immigrants arrived here and contributed to their communities.
He's automatically branding a whole group of people as "illegal criminals" despite the fact that undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US citizens. Much like our ancestors, these people are coming here in search of a better future for themselves and their families.
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Bond Wright
Rev. Keith Eash: Don't like abortion? Want to stop abortion?Then start an anti-ejaculation university and teach males not to ejaculate into you- know- what--unless they are ready to do the life-long parenting committment. Simple. End of story. Rev. Bond
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Patricia Ann Gross
Rev. Wright,
A better idea is for women to stop having sex unless they want to become pregnant so that every pregnancy is perfectly planned. That would stop all the male anti-abortion rhetoric, and probably a lot of the female rhetoric as well.
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Bond Wright
The problem with your solution is that not all sex is voluntary; manipulation, co-ercion and outright force is always happening. Why should women be responsible for male ejaculation? It's HIS ejaculation--he should take care of it. Not to do so is the ultimate in irresponsibility. And, is responsible for all the misery in our world including population explosion. If, in fact, it WAS the case that male ejaculation is the recognized responsibility of males--the male pill would be quickly developed. It is the very essence of sexism to expect, without question, that male ejaculation is the absolute problem for women to handle. The silence on this issue is deafening. I am going to be a little blunt here (yes, I apologize about this-- it is the only way to describe it). So this is the scenario: "I get to fire away and you, sister, get to handle it. Tough. It's your problem." AND there is a population of men who get to stomp around and yell at all women for being murderers. Why don't they yell about ejaculation control, I ask you?! And, yes, there have been and probably always will be, males who take care of their own ejaculation. You don't even have to scream at them. They are men of conscience and know, naturally, that their ejaculate IS their responsibility And, that this IS a serious human matter. There are methods: birth control, just pull aside and THEN ejaculate and also there are five days during the reproduction cycle that a female cannot conceive--just retreat during those days. (and just hug each other). Presently, in Los Angeles, all the 99cent stores have closed--they carried condoms. There is on-going a fierce struggle to ban all pregnancy health care--including abortion. Cosco has been harassed by the anti-women's reproductive rights "group" and they have stopped providing this item. All this adds up to more unwanted pregnancies. What! Don't like abortion? Promote vigorous birth control! including teaching males to pull aside. This past year I was in Ireland and I took a cab. The cab driver had a sign on her cab and it said: "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament". (Abortion is now legal in Ireland). So much misery could be eliminated if males would simply take responsibility for their ejaculation. If this would ever happen as routine, we as the human race, could move up the consciousness ladder and simply be able to "advance toward pleasure". And, life could be a joy for millions. This is our birthright as human beings. Early pagan peoples referred to sexual intercourse as "the sacred rite". It is and it naturally should be so.
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Patricia Ann Gross
FACT: EVERY method of birth control except abstinence (with one exception, if you take and belive the Bible literally) has a rate of failure. That's all I'm saying on this topic, because it is off topic.
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i have a question about something and not this topic why create Ice when our Hispanics are the ones cleaning your guys ******* toilets and mowing your lawns and picking your fruits etc. like excuse my lang but without our foreigners who deserve a better life why rid them of the right to be free and work and provide for their families too sounds like control and bigotry at its finest bring back our Hispanic workers undeport them .