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Is a field trip to a gay bar appropriate for elementary school students?

A field trip to a local gay bar has one Florida elementary school in hot water.

School district officials are now playing defense after the field trip to a local LGBTQ-owned bar & grill stirred controversy and landed unwanted national attention.

The district says it's been doing a similar field trip for years, and that it's intended to teach children real-world skills like how to be polite and how to order food at a restaurant.

However, critics say this latest outing was a totally inappropriate place to take children and that the district risked corrupting their souls in the process. 

Rosie's and the Riveting Drama

The trouble all began when Broward County school board member Sarah Leonardi posted about the visit to "Rosie’s Bar & Grill" on Twitter last week.

Commenters were quick to point out that not only is Rosie’s a gay bar, but they have a number of suggestively named menu items, including the ‘Ivana Hooker’ burger, the ‘Rhoda Cowboy’ burger, and the ‘Hellena Bun,’ a burger “tossed in Rosie’s own ‘Smack My Cheeks and Make ‘em Rosy’ sauce”. That’s not to mention the rainbow-themed decor.

The visit was organized as part of a unit on community involvement, work, and developing social skills. The goal was reportedly to help kids “learn about the types of jobs involved in operating a restaurant, how to pay for their meal, and how to leave a tip for the service they receive.” Students required a permission slip from parents to attend the field trip, they ordered off a child-friendly menu, and the establishment was empty of patrons when they attended.

Yet none of that stopped some community members from getting very, very upset – emotions reflected in the comments left on social media posts about the event.

Many critics saw the field trip as an obviously unsuitable outing for elementary school kids:

"Children have no business being in a bar on a field trip, let alone a gay bar? Are you out of your mind!!! The parents should be outraged at this. I certainly hope you get the wrath of God for this. And this is coming from a 60 year old Proud Lesbian!" wrote an angry Facebook user. 

"New vocabulary word for the children: debauchery, perversion, sodomy, transgression, witchcraft, domestic, terrorism, alcoholism, suicide. Pretty advanced words for little kids," one parent wrote. 

“I guess a strip club is next? This is shameful,” said another. 

Others proposed alternatives they saw as more appropriate for children. "How about a trip to a local church. Where they can hear about God The Creator. Jesus Christ His Son. And the free gift of Eternal Life through Jesus Christ," offered a local parent. 

Things Turn Ugly

But the outrage wasn't limited to the keyboard. After getting ahold of the school's contact information, angry calls began flooding in. 

“You are a child abuser,” one woman told school officials in a voicemail. “Taking kids to some gay bar; You need to resign.”

“I hope you go to prison,” another person said.

Sarah Leonardi, whose initial tweet set off this whole controversy, says she’s received “bigoted comments and death threats” online and over the phone that extend not only to her, but her family, friends, and even her church.

The controversy marks the latest front in a contentious debate about when, how, (or even if) children should be exposed to the LGBTQ community. 

Remember Drag Queen Story Hour?

You might recall all the hubbub around Drag Queen Story Hour from a few years ago, which fueled even greater outrage. Many of these events – where drag queens read books to children at the library – garnered hundreds of protesters at a time.

Drag Queen Story Hour founder Jonathan Hamilt said the protests are borne out of a fear of the unknown.  "When you leave big liberal areas, people tend to be more conservative,” he stated. “Their fear can come out as anger."

There are some obvious parallels between the trip to Rosie’s and Drag Queen Story Hour. Proponents say there’s nothing wrong with schools exposing kids to the LGBT community… because there’s nothing wrong with being LGBT. Others, however, insist that when and how to talk with children about the subject is something parents should have control over. 

What is your reaction?

147 comments

  1. Tom Thackrey's Avatar Tom Thackrey

    I would consider any field trip to any kind of bar (except salad and fern) to be totally inappropriate for elementary school children. Gay, straight, dive, and sports bars are not appropriate places for 12 year olds.

    1. Alicia Szot's Avatar Alicia Szot

      But it's not just a bar. It's a restaurant....hence the name "Bar and Grill". However, I really don't see what going to a restaurant for a field trip does any good to further the kids' educations.

      1. Alicia Szot's Avatar Alicia Szot

        After re-reading the article, what they were trying to teach the kids is how to be polite and how to order in a restaurant. I get it now.

        People need to stop being so hung up on the fact that it's run by those in the LGBT community. This lets kids know it's OK to be nice to someone who is nice to them, no matter what they believe in. The restaurant owners and workers aren't "recruiting" kids, but the kids can learn tolerance. I actually grew up knowing gay people and none of them tried to make me gay, but I learned to view them as people, not some freak-shows.

    2. June Tanner's Avatar June Tanner

      I agree! The issue here is not gay or straight. The issue is a child does not need to be exposed to ANY bar at 12 years of age. What happened to plain common sense for the school district authorities? Also, don't children need signed permission slips from their parents for any off-campus activity?

      1. David Arthur Lewis's Avatar David Arthur Lewis

        Please READ the article before commenting. All students DID have signed parental permission slips. This educational field trip has been a feature of the school for many years, and only uninformed bigots from out-of-town have a problem with this local tradition.

        1. John Michael OConnor's Avatar John Michael OConnor

          You never went to Applebees with your kids? They have a bar and they consider themselves a family restaraunt. How about any diner that serves wine or beer? The Outback? Red Lobster?

    3. Alexander Clarke's Avatar Alexander Clarke

      Proof that stupid can not be fixed. They could have taken the children to Denny's or similar diner. Geeze school administrators and board members are stupid.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        There are lots of gay people at Denny's too. As a matter of fact they're everywhere! Except for Chick-fil-A, but that isn't such a good place to take children to, for other reasons. There's probably something wrong with any business they could have taken them to. Maybe they should just keep the kids in school, rather than expose them to reality.

    4. Alexander Clarke's Avatar Alexander Clarke

      Proof that stupid can not be fixed. They could have taken the children to Denny's or similar diner. Geeze school administrators and board members are stupid.

  1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

    Lawdy, snowflake Talibangelicals are so easily triggered by the most silly things. The person complaining about this doesn't even have a child in the school district. Is Christianity that fragile? How does someone's sexual orientation post a threat to any "religious" person? Much ado about nothing. Christians need to do a better job enforcing their own congregations' behavior. Adulterers, liars, thieves, abusers and pedophiles within their churches are abundant. Yet they scream about the LGBTQ community. Such good christians who make death threats, harass and abuse others. They are so fake.

    1. Donald G Magel's Avatar Donald G Magel

      Amen!

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        That is not correct English Donald. You are not a men, but a man.

  1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

    There is NOTHING WRONG with with the school officials did and they've been doing it for years. They were taken to a restaurant, what's wrong with that? They need to eat.

    1. Alicia Szot's Avatar Alicia Szot

      Everyone seems so hung up on the "bar" part of "Bar and Grill".

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        And they call is a "Gay Bar" not because the restaurant and bar cater to gays, but because the owners just happen to be gay.

        Christians always seem to twist things to make everything things salacious. Just like when they read the Bible they get things wrong. Can you trust a Christian who lies in the name of religion?

        1. Thomas Denney's Avatar Thomas Denney

          Many gay bars are owned by straight people, and, at least in years past, people who had political connections. The point was to pay the right people so the police wouldn't raid the bars as was very common in the 1970s and the years before.

          The patrons are the ones who make a bar gay. Thus every bar I've ever been in has been a gay bar, simply because I'm there.

      2. Alisa Kay Gill's Avatar Alisa Kay Gill

        I personally grew up in a town that had "family" bars. Trust me most straight bars were more inappropriate than gay ones. And as far as this school field trip goes, I agree, everyone is so hung up on the title of the article and the word "bar", that I don't believe they even bothered to read the article in full. I think it sounds like an awesome real world learning experience. As a former waitress myself, I wish more schools and parents would teach their kids how to behave in a resturant oir in any public space for that matter.

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          Don't take these articles too seriously, Alisa. It's just something for us to talk about, especially while quarantining at home, during this pandemic (for the rest of our lives). And laughter is the best medicine, so lighten up!

  1. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

    And they make them wear masks in a free state! Fire them all. BYITNOJ

    1. Rev. Paige's Avatar Rev. Paige

      Hypocrisy at its finest. You want people to be open and accepting to taking 12 year olds on a field trip, yet protest masks which save lives and prevent illness. Not surprising, considering the selfish, nasty attitudes of people these days. If someone else made one of your family members sick you would be all over that. Yet you think that kids shouldn't have to wear masks in schools. You are not more important than I am. It's my Right to not be exposed to a contagious airborne virus. Period. Full stop. No discussion necessary. Don't even try to pretend advocating freedom of choice. If it's not YOUR choice, then you think the rest of us are wrong. Disgusting.

      1. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

        The Islamic religion has made women cover their faces for thousand of years, but not to prevent disease. The wearing of the covering of the face is used to make the people submissive. Nothing else, just submissive, to control the people.

        If it continues, the NWO religion will be Islam. And we will be submissive Sheeple.

        And masks do not save lives. The stats can't be proven that they save lives.

        I can't wait till the comments come. BYITNOJ

        1. Lori Torok's Avatar Lori Torok

          Harvard has done a nice job assembling the studies that do PROVE masks help reduce the spread of Covid. What you posted is without evidence. That is called opinion. Do actual research. Spread TRUTH not LIES. Spread Love not disease. Thank you. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/masks-save-lives-heres-what-you-need-to-know-2020111921466

          1. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

            Check his harvard post. It is a theory, check the facts? in the harvard blog. theory not fact. Should be called conspiracy theory.

            Back at you. Talk the TRUTH no LIES or DECEPTION.

            BYITNOJ

            1. Tom's Avatar Tom

              The facts are that there have been multiple scientific studies conducted that strongly indicate that masks prevent the spread of virus containing aerosols being expelled from our noses and mouths. There are no credible scientific studies that have found masks to be ineffective or harmful.

              This isn't a theory, it's an evidence-based conclusion based on the best scientific research we have available to us.

        2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          I think you're right Woodrow. The government's of this world (and there could be an underlying one controlling it all) are always trying to find a way to control their people. They finally found a way, to get the ball bouncing, with masks. And this is only the begining. Now that they've got their claws in us you can bet your bottom dollar there will be more, until they have ablolute dominance. Then they might flow away to start a new world,on another planet, and leave us here to manufacture their supplies.

        3. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          @Woodrow Where did you get your information about the Muslim religion? You are grossly misinformed and perpetuating wrong and false information.

  1. Marius Gabriel Burja's Avatar Marius Gabriel Burja

    Premature has no business in mature matters.

  1. Gerardo Salazar's Avatar Gerardo Salazar

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  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    Why what's the fuss, they could have gone down the street to the local Epstein & Gaetz franchise, the career development center for poor white juvenile poontang massage and other marketing skills training for the rich sex traffickers' pedophile market. Kind of like Junior Achievement and girl/boy scouting linkups they used to do in school. There's "STEP," and then there's "Stepping out." Liesure, career, commerce, recreation, community, it's all tied together. Hey, they have to learn about making a living when you grow up, that's all part of school, right?

  1. Brien's Avatar Brien

    I would suggest that any parent with objections, and yes I would be one of them, pull the child out of whatever class/and or school that allowed this to happen. I would have NEVER signed a permission slip for a trip to a bar.

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Exactly. Consent remind with the parents. I go pre-visit all field trips, even those out of town.

    2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      Don't you want your kids to eat? What's wrong with them going to a restaurant?

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Just throw them a smidgeon of bread to eat, before they take their Flintstones vitamins, and they'll be alright, Douglas.

    3. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I bet they only wanted their gay children to know what to expect. There's no harm in that.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    This all boils down to one fact. Taking children to restaurants won't make them any more fond of school cafeteria food.

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      You may be right, I never did mind institution food, but then perhaps that's because I didn't know any better.

  1. Rev. Paige's Avatar Rev. Paige

    LOL. Right below the comment section it says the ULC motto. "We are all children of the same universe".

    You would never know that, reading these posts. Why is everyone so intolerant of others, and just downright mean? Accepting other views does Not mean you give up or change your own views.

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Yes, but accepting others is not nearly as much fun.

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      To err is human.

  1. Kathryn Darcy Smith's Avatar Kathryn Darcy Smith

    As a trans minister I find drag EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE and only teaches the ignorant that the PERFORMANCE art of drag is what we regular trans people are. NOT TRUE! I am EXTREMELY against children exposed to drag! This is NOT from a religious perspective. This is from a perspective of me being a member of the LGBT+++++ demographic. Furthermore I do NOT SUPPORT Pride events. I don't shove my beliefs in other people's faces and don't need parades to see other people's lifestyles. GAG! If I hosted a gun parade to celebrate my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, holy hell would break out no doubt!

    As far as kids taken to a restaurant bar, I think parents could have said no on the permission slip and/or the school choose a different venue that would have NOT drawn attention to themselves.

  1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

    Um ABSOLUTELY NOT! And the people who did this and decided that it would be a good thing need to be fired. You CANNOT take children into a bar in Florida. If it is a restaurant and has a bar inside of it then that is a different story as that is allowed because people are going there to eat. State law clearly says that you MUST have a parents permission to take ANY child under 18 on a field trip and must have a signed permission slip on file. And that is for Children of ANY age. but to take a group of children in grade school (classes 1-4) to a gay bar is just as bad as if they took them to a regular bar. These people should be seriously disciplined and if the Principal or the school board does not want to do this, then they need to go to the State Board of education.

    1. Emmitt Smith's Avatar Emmitt Smith

      You should read the whole article. This was a Bar and Grill that specifically provided kid appropriate menus, the parents signed permission slips, and the restaurant was opened only for the class.

      1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

        Maybe you should take your own advice as it does NOT say that every child there had a signed permission slip. If they did then why are some of the parents so upset if they already gave their permission.

        Nice try but you really should have your ducks in a row before you start posting, as in this case you didnt.

        1. Kyle Lockhart's Avatar Kyle Lockhart

          "Students required a permission slip from parents to attend the field trip, they ordered off a child-friendly menu, and the establishment was empty of patrons when they attended."

          So yeah, they did. The upset parents apparently either didn't have a child that actually attended, or didn't read what they signed. It's obvious that none of the children ordered anything from the bar, there were no patrons present, and were served from a child-friendly menu. It's really no different than taking them to any other patron-free restaurant (Islands, Applebee's, Red Lobster) that has a bar in it, with the exception of the décor.

          1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

            read the story, the parents who are upset ARE the ones who had children taken on the field trip without parental permission slips.

            1. Tom's Avatar Tom

              That isn't stated in this story at all.

              "Yet none of that stopped some community members from getting very, very upset – emotions reflected in the comments left on social media posts about the event."

              This wasn't blown-up by upset parents of the kids on this trip but angry commenters seeing this on Twitter.

              1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                So you are going to accept a chopped version posted here instead of the versions from the local newspaper and TV channels?

              2. Tom's Avatar Tom

                No, I'm basing it off of the local news stories from this community. Nowhere does it say this was upset parents of the children on this field trip. Many of the people calling and complaining about this aren't even from Florida.

                According to this local news report, the area residents who spoke to the reporters said this is a non-issue. https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/wilton-manors-elementary-students-field-trip-to-rosies-sparks-online-debate-death-threats-to-school-board-member/

                This has only blown up because the chaperone posted about the field trip on social media and then conservatives made it go viral with their complaints. They've been doing this field trip for almost a decade without any issues until a bunch of pearl clutching conservatives from outside the community threw a fit about it.

              3. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                seemingly you are not, but hey, if you want to believe this claptrap and it lets you sleep at night then go ahead

        2. Kyle Lockhart's Avatar Kyle Lockhart

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    2. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Okay, all kidding aside, the school did nothing wrong, and the kids had permission from the parents. Now if I remember correctly my first grade experiences (and believe me, I do), most of us kids already knew what was what and for the most part regarded any particular differences as vaguely humorous, unless we could make particular sport of it, in which case it was immensely humorous, especially to repeat. It's a purely adult compulsive affectation that for some reason they imagine the world of children is some sort of Victorian painting over of everything... But if I recall my studies of first and second source history, the elizabethans and especially 5he Victorian's, from which present day Evangelicals draw their sensibilities, were just about to randy-est "overtliest" sexually preoccupied people in existence, and they were just the calm ones. Ones who morally and obsessively seek to suppress normal human sexuality sensibilities in children are just not paying attention to children as they develop, and are exactly the ones with the hangups who go on to commit child sex abuse and other forms of child abuse. Believe me, three and four-year-olds know what's what oh, and I can attest to it from both having been one, and having raised six kids myself, who spontaneously asked me about why there are differences between pee pee and wee wee and are they supposed to go together? This from three year olds. Any developmental psychologist will tell you the same thing. And I'm a conservative, but trained, Protestant psychologist. You wackos from the Evangelical "suppress it till you act it out" crew, give it a rest, you think about sex too much, and pervert and twist your own kids in the process. Give it a rest.

      1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

        all kidding aside, if they took a child on a field trip and didnt have the parents signed permission slip, then sorry but they broke the law and deserve to be punished.

  1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

    Is anyone here a American Christian or are you born again?

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Yes I’ve been born again Stacey. I have finally made it out from under the umbrella of any religion. I now at last think for myself with total freedom of thought. It’s so refreshing! Thank you for asking. 🤗

      🦁❤️

      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        So you are the I am. Not the body that God formed, but your spirit He made on the six day. The inner man that God created after His likeness.

        As for the body, it was formed for the world. That's why it's bound by the things in the world. It needs to be conditioned and put under the umbrella of things in the world.

        Just like religion, you must identity with a thing. This is why people can't see who God is. There busy looking at the body and find them selves worshipping religion: (The form not the make).

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Ohhh okay, got it! This incredible thing you call "God" is so brilliant that it requires homo-sapiens (mankind) to voice for its reality, rather than actually show up to rid the earth of all other religions, and set the world on the right path of total peace. I'm assuming this god you refer to is not the same god of all the non judeo-christian religions.....right, that believe they also have the truth through their unshakeable faith? Your faith will of course be the real one, worshipping the real god....right?

          Perhaps you could let us know how you discounted the gods of all the other religions and settled on yours as being the real one? Was it by any chance as a result of geography of birth being born where the christian faith flourished, much like others in other countries were born where their religion was dominant. If you hade been born in Utah you might have been raised as Mormon claiming that faith as truth, or if you had been born in Iran you would have been raised in Islam, and would be wearing a Niqab now, claiming the Quran as the truth, and worshipping Allah.

          🦁♥️

        2. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

          It's useless trying to change a self loving soul. Only the Father can do it. BYITNOJ.

          1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

            I understand by it Woodrow, but noj is a word I'm not familiar with.

            1. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

              It is BYITNOJ, not but noj. BYITNOJ is Bless You In The Name Of JESUS. Be happy and be safe.

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Stacey, we don't mind christians around here, as long as they do not act that way in public.

      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        I don't believe in christianity. I believe in the great I AM. I believe that I was made in the image of God. Not the physical body, but the spirit.

        My church is within, that's where God dwells. Jesus came in the embodiment of God to free from the connection of my self.

        I fight the good fight from with in. The spirit which dwell with in me no man can touch. It has eternal life.

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          Anything to do with Jesus, Genesis, or anything else written in that fairytale bible, is another form of christianity Stacey, whether you believe and accept it or not. Otherwise, you're only blowing smoke up your own ass.

        2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          You're right about that Stacey. It's impossible for us to touch spirits, unless they first form ectoplasm. We can only touch physical substances.

    3. Donald Richard Starns's Avatar Donald Richard Starns

      I was born just the one time, and that was enough for me.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Goodie goodie for you, Donald!

    4. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Recovered Catholic. They were just as bad.

      1. Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson's Avatar Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson

        I prefer "Lapsed Catholic." :-)

        However, I gave up Holy Mother Church and Christianity in March 1975, found a different Mythos in which to invest my belief about 13 years later.

    5. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I'm a born again Pagan, Stacey. Is that good enough?

      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        Your still not free. Free your mind totally. It's all about what you imagine that make you believe: (free).

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          Sing it like Richie Havens at Woodstock, Stacey! "Freedom!, Freedom!, Freedom! Sometimes I feel like a motherless child. Sometimes I feel like a motherless child. Sometimes I feel like a motherless child, a long, long way from my home"! [I have the DVD, and before that the VHS.]

    6. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Flugo is a Christian, Stacey. Maybe when he gets through with Sybil he'll have time for you.

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    What's the problem, just earning about business and sales/marketing/advertising techniques in crafting specialty market targets, like catering to the sex exhibitionist and roleplaying gay stereotype market the restaurant is obviously targeting. That's just part of learning about what will I be when I grow up and making a living and all that. It's all part of microeconomics and owning your own business...you know, like the toy stores my neighbors had growing up and the carpet cleaning franchise opportunities, being a car mechanic, doctor, all that. Career counseling, next year starts career interest testing and guidance curriculum and all that. Needful things. Like the florist and greenhouse industry my neighbors on the school board run and end market in a retail space section of the local supermarket, right near the bakery section, you know, with the penis shaped cakes and the strap-on rhododendron-themed planters.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I wonder if any of their waitresses are transvestites.

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    Besides, it's a nice restaurant. After lunch there's the dessert menu, my favorite is the Bendover Banana Split.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I hope you know where those bananas have been, Mark.

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    Maybe the kids are seeing what it is like to be in the working life in a neighborhood community. When he was in 9th grade my brother worked at Baskin Robbins after school.

    1. William Dusenberry's Avatar William Dusenberry

      As one Rev, to another (even though this Rev is a Bishop, with two DD’s, four ULC doctorates, and has been sainted twice, by the ULC) I can state, with a high degree of certainty, that on my last visit, to Musee’ D’ Orsay (Paris) there was a large (5x 10) painting of the Gay Jesus, accompanied by all of his gay disciples in the nude.

      Visit the following site, view this rendering of the sex life of Jesus — who the artist called Plato, because the French Catholics in the 1890’s were still enforcing the Catholic Inquisition.

      http://dxsuperpremiumart.blogspot.com/2007/12/lecole-de-platon-by-jean-delville.html

      And, please share this, with all your Christian homophobic contacts — who still know that their brand of Christianity condemns all gays to an eternal fiery heaven — even though their stand-bearer (Jesus) was gay.

      Mary Madeline was made up by Saul (who became Paul) in a protracted effort, to keep the gay Jesus in an eternal unopenable closet.

      Order a copy of this painting, so you can give it as an X-Mas gift — for your most homophobic Christian gift-receiver,

      The ULC should sell copies of “Jesus with his gay associates”;through “themonastery.org”

  1. Gerardo Salazar's Avatar Gerardo Salazar

    Common sense should prevail in every activity, more so when dealing with children and their families; if you know how controversial gay issues are within diverse communities the logical step should be to go to a regular outlet, and I mean not only gay but those places involved with religious or racial groups. This way children will have a great time, learn new things and their parents will be satisfied as to the way the school conducts business.

    Regardless of how liberal a person feels, respect for other people’s feelings should be of paramount importance.

  1. Lawrence Albert Taylor II's Avatar Lawrence Albert Taylor II

    There is nothing wrong with kids learning about proper etiquette at a restaurant. As kids get older they forget about how people earn a living . Tipping helps the server put more food on the table a roof over their heads and further their education . As a rule I try to tip at least 20%. Plus as long as the young students were properly supervised what's the harm of going to a restaurant to learn what goes on behind the scenes

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I'll tip a penny to that, Lawrence. They didn't say anything about taking those children behind the scenes. It's foolish to tip more than ten percent, but since I'm an excellent cooks, I stay home, and avoid all that silliness altogether.

  1. Dr. Jerry Moyes's Avatar Dr. Jerry Moyes

    There was absolutely nothing wrong with the trip. However, it's critics need to take a good look in mirror so that they know what hate, ignorance, and stupidity look like.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      No doubt another honorary doctorate.

  1. Mark Joseph Lutz's Avatar Mark Joseph Lutz

    Most of the children had already been to a church, so a field trip there would have been boring.
    Young people need to be exposed to the variety of the world. Even if the truth of it flys in the face of their religion. Especially if it causes then to think about their religion’s beliefs toward that variant. Variant can be color, planet of origin, gender reference, age, or anything one can think of to label a group.

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Planet of origin, right. Those Galgamek Catholics can be a handful!

  1. HARVEY Bailey's Avatar HARVEY Bailey

    I think the school is off base ! I think they should teach the children the basic information that they will need to move along in life. And they need to let the parent raise the children as they believe they should be raised !( I am not against Gays or LGBT's !) I eat with gay couple every Thursday and with our Sunday School Teacher every Sunday !

    CHRIST TAUGHT LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVE YOU !

    1. Thomas Denney's Avatar Thomas Denney

      What a pleasant platitude.

  1. Peter Bradshaw's Avatar Peter Bradshaw

    They didn't go to a bar, they went to a bar and grill. Which is another name for restaurant with bar service. Like Applebees and Red Robin.

  1. Kurt Neuleuf's Avatar Kurt Neuleuf

    In the first place God made idiots. This was for practice. Then he made school boards. :-Mark Twain

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    This trip is stupid and in very bad judgment any more than modeling going to a brothel would be. Of course, if I figure that is mostly what gay people are and do, I suppose that would be as good a place as any for the stereotype, like if I wanted to find blacks I guess I would go to some black Baptist church. But elementary school kids, ANY school-age kids?

    Then again, if you have an agenda, sort of a "let's show our students what our master race is like so they will fit in and also be respectful of "our kind," and teach that the world is about stereotypes and so is learning about business and food, commerce and consumer activities, nothing says "Let's push a exaggerated dress gay lifestyle on some impressionable kids as soon as possible" like taking them to a gay bar, giving them lunch money, and having them order off the sex-advertised euphemism menu, instead of, say, McDonalds.

    I wonder if there are any gay hardware stores or places to get your tires and a gay car dealer or two. Maybe some gay home-ec and gay personal finance to learn too. There's a lot of social competence to learn in child development, school is exactly where to go. Maybe some gay-themed arithmetic.

    Of course then everyone would want some fo their own. Black Math Matters. Asian car purchases. The needs never end. Gay ethnic cooking.

    1. Alicia Szot's Avatar Alicia Szot

      Good gods! I think you just went off the deep end! It's ONE field trip that they do every year for years. It's a damn restaurant! Chill out, Dude!

      1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

        "Good Gods?" What gods?

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          Maybe she's talking about the gay gods of the gay people, Mark.

    2. Rev. Paige's Avatar Rev. Paige

      I didn't understand a word of your post.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Maybe you're taking everything too seriously, Paige. You better learn to laugh. You'll only feel better for it.

  1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

    I would suggest a community/school trip to the Pulse Nightclub.

    And if I were told that those children and their parents had not used stronger language than the suggestive names of menu items I would not give it any credence. I have heard far worse at the local Taco Bell.

  1. Clay Serenbetz's Avatar Clay Serenbetz

    Pre-pubescent children should not go to any alcoholic establishment whether hetero, homo, Minority, majority, alternative, fetish, etc. Not even Cheers in Boston. Also, not even alcoholic establishments frequented by the founding fathers.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      It was a restaurant with a bar. The kids were taken to the restaurant to eat, not the the bar to drink.

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I believe those founding fathers were the ones who started those fetish bars, weren't they Clay?

      1. Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson's Avatar Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson

        I recall something of the time called the Hellfire Club.

  1. Ty Ford's Avatar Ty Ford

    I'm. sure the gay folks thought it was very outrageous!

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      By the way Ty, how do you know what gay people think, sister?

  1. David Arthur Lewis's Avatar David Arthur Lewis

    Wow. Can't believe the bigotry expressed here. You all must be exceptionally miserable people to express such hatred about something you know nothing about. You should be ashamed. WHO WOULD JESUS HATE???

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      David, if Jesus was real, as the story goes, I don't think he would hate anyone, but I bet he wouldn't like people who critically judged others. If the shoe fits...

    2. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Not hate, just what's my job as parent of minors, not your job as teacher of my minors. Has to do with the kids, not you, and Jesus (the one you mean, not the original common human who lived, if he lived) is like any other usefully constructed fairy tail. When brains are mature, they decide for themselves, until then they are not your toys to play with (except to a large extent your own kids). I always pre-tour any field trips before consenting to my kids's school trips, even the high school debate and sports teams they are on. You can play with, or indoctrinate if that's your pleasure, with your own kids, not mine. It's about who decides for them.

    3. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      ... and I can't believe the grasping nature of people for my kids, and for kids who are not their own. I want a response to your question who would Jesus hate, I can ask you whose other kids would you not swallow, then why do you want to swallow them, you didn't make them and you're not responsible for them, someone else is. Why the boundary problem?

    4. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Some of us think very poorly of Christianity, so we don't care what Jesus would think a bout anything, David. We e don't even think he existed, and aren't sure if you exist, iether.

    5. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Jesus and Judas sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g!

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    Whatever happened to real school trips for real education. I remember mine being Tutbury Castle, HMS Victory (Nelson’s famous flagship) in Portsmouth, and the London Museum, all in the UK of course. As for whether anyone was gay at that time during the school trip….who knew, and better still, who cared? I went to learn better things.

    🦁❤️

  1. Gerardo Salazar's Avatar Gerardo Salazar

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  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    They should be proud of themselves. I bet this experience will help all those little gay children come out of the closet, and help some of them decide if they want to have careers working in gay bar bars. What a fabulous idea! They might have only taken the particular children who were acting Nelly and gay. What a wonderful idea!

  1. James M Slack's Avatar James M Slack

    To Whom All This Concerns I believe the school board and it teachers were out of line to permit this kind of action. Our young school children pick up enough on their own, without taking them to this kind of knowledge. I don’t believe that a gay bar is in their school subjects. I also don’t believe their parents were aware of this kind of so called field trip. Maybe it’s time to vote out this kind of learning. Along with getting rid of the teachers and helpers involved. I wonder what kind of active those school board members and teachers are involved in Humm!

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      James, if you keep talking bad about such things they might not suspect you of being gay. Go, girl!

  1. James M Slack's Avatar James M Slack

    Oh by the way I do have a gay grandson and his comment would not be in favor of this kind of action.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Do you often start your sentences with the word "Oh", James. Did you learn how to talk that way in gay bars, when taking your gay grandson to kiddie night?

  1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

    When I was a kid we used to get pizza at the Cloverleaf Bar, burgers at the Checker Bar and Grill, nice dinners at Cavan's Colony East and we trick or treated at the bar at the end of the street just to name a few. I turned out just fine.

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      You'd say that even if you didn't.

      1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

        No, I wouldn't say things that weren't true. Besides, it's hardly worth lying over. When I was a kid we didn't have fast food joints on every road.

        I don't think a school field trip to a bar is a great idea. Not to mention that my schools never once took us on a field trip.

        This has brought back some fond memories spent with family though. Checker bar was a Detroit cop bar and my father was a Detroit cop. When I had some major dental surgery at 11 he asked after wanted to eat and it was a Checker Bar burger. Cloverleaf had square pan pizza and there was no Dominoes or Little Caesar's in those days. And most Friday nights were fish and chips at Milroy's.

        We were also taught at home to respect the workers in any business.

        I think kids are really missing out but I'm old so I would think that.

        1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

          Actually I'd feel (and be) a lot safer around RuPaul then any of these wacky fundamentalists.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    When I was a kid we used to get drunk and smoke weed behind the bowling alley, on the beach, in abandoned houses and buildings, etc., but never even thought about going in bars. It's against the law for kids to go in bars without their parents, and my parents weren't about to take a juvenile delinquents like me to the nice nightclubs they sometimes went to, for plenty of good reasons. I'm not half as bad anymore, but have a home bar, so I don't have to go anyplace, but can stay home (in quarantine, so to speak), and choose my playmates carefully. And I'm the only bar fly permitted to enter my mancave. My mancave, my rules!

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Your comment reminds me of very good friend who mentored me through my freshman year college, very observant Orthodox Jew oh, high School star athlete, piano player, health nut. In 1974 he was a big weed smoker but would never touch alcohol. I didn't even know it was legal for orthodontist used to smoke weed but I guess it was (is).

      Anyway his Big thing, even back then was he would never touch alcohol. In fact he told me "stay away from alcohol. That stuff will kill you!"

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    How can they expect us ministers to take such goofy topics seriously?

    1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

      Here's how you take it Carl, you take it with a large shovel of salt or a triple Scotch, fast.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        I bet it would help to smoke an almost legal joint of 'dro to go along with that, Mark.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    You're right this time, Ehrman. It does take a dull and ignorant person to bring up a topic like this, for discussion.

    1. Rev. Paige's Avatar Rev. Paige

      What would be some appropriate topics for discussion, in your opinion?

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Paige, I didn't say I didn't like discussing these stupid subjects. If so, I wouldn't be here. I was just calling a spade a spade.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    As long as you know I'm not here to please anyone Ehrman, we'll get along just fine. When you put your foot in your mouth, you can expect me to tell you about it. The Desiderata doesn't contain all the answers, nor does it address stupidity. Can't you think of anything better to talk about?

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    This reminds me some very good funny movies, for instance White Chicks, "To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar," South Park episodes "The F Word" and "South Park Is Gay."

    Everybody should see these before shooting off their mouth, including me. Also village people songs In The Navy, Macho Man, and of course YMCA.

    These days it's actually much more dangerous and morally destructive to hang around Joyce Meyer's bodyguards and school board meetings than some gay bar.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    Light-hearted laughter, and plenty of it, will also help us nurture strength of spirit, Ehrman. It's impossible to be depressed while we're laughing.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Not only that, Ehrman, but in that way I nurture my spirit more on this blog, than anyplace else. Any minister who doesn't go away laughing is doing something wrong.

  1. Jones Christ's Avatar Jones Christ

    This is so gay. Jesus would not approve

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Yeah, well, tell your evil relative Jesus that I don't approve of him, Christ. So, there!

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Don't you think jonesing on Christ would be a better name for you?

  1. Michael Barton's Avatar Michael Barton

    IF the teacher/school knew the place was a pro-Gay only place, or a place known for Gay; then the teacher/school did something bad; child abuse.

    IF the teacher/school knew the place was more Bar than Restaurant, then the teacher/school did something bad.

    It seems this website isn't about Religion, and more so about abusing Religion. Or at least most of the members are anti-Christian, and that's sad.

    1. Tom's Avatar Tom

      To quote an article from this community's local news station:

      Area residents who spoke with 7News said this is a non-issue.

      “Rosie’s is a wonderful place. It’s family-friendly, and we’ve gone there several times,” said a woman, “so I don’t think it’s an issue; I think it’s a great thing.”

      Another woman said she routinely takes her young daughter to Rosie’s.

      “We always take her there. It’s a wonderful place; everyone’s super, super nice,” said.

      “And the food is great,” said her daughter.

      “There’s no, ‘Oh, you’re gay, you can come in. You’re not gay, you cannot come in,'” said another woman. “No, it’s not anything like that at all."

      https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/wilton-manors-elementary-students-field-trip-to-rosies-sparks-online-debate-death-threats-to-school-board-member/

  1. Roger Scott Gilbert's Avatar Roger Scott Gilbert

    Sick and twisted world we live in! This shouldn't even be open for debate if you have two brain cells you can rub together!

  1. Paul Donaldson's Avatar Paul Donaldson

    Didn't our pal Jesus hang out with 12 guys?

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Not only that Paul, but they left their wives to be with him, and never had a woman again. Jesus must have had a big one.

  1. John Craig Matthews's Avatar John Craig Matthews

    William, no matter how many "degrees and certificates" you possess, claiming that Jesus and His disciples were gay and that Mary Magdalene never existed are pure speculation on your part. There are no references to these hypotheses in the Bible. In fact there are many accounts that Peter and Mary clashed because Mary was better at evangelism than Peter. If you're going to post ridiculous premises, back them up with some semblance of proof. Citing a painting as proof is hardly a premise upon which to base truth.

  1. John Casillo's Avatar John Casillo

    WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS.....MAYBE THEY LEARNED HOW TO ORDER WHISKEY WITH A BEER BACK....REV JOHN

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      John, they may have needed a boiler maker, after such an experience.

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher

    ACTUALLY THAT DECISION is UP TO THE PARENTs YES ! BUTT REALLY WHAT is ALL the BIG B S WERE ANY of THE KIDs YOURN, SO SHADDUP ALL, and TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT !

  1. JaZe's Avatar JaZe

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    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

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  1. Jackie D. Reeder's Avatar Jackie D. Reeder

    A trip to a bar is inappropriate for kids. The organizers of this trip had to know that taking kids to a homosexual bar/restaurant would be controversial with some parents. People exhibiting such poor judgement should not be in the education system. The skills that were supposedly being taught could been taught in a proper setting.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Jackie D. Reeder You've been duped with false and misleading information about this story. The kids needed to eat. It's not a bar the kids were taken to it was a restaurant with a bar. It's not a gay bar, but a retardant that's run by someone who is gay. Don't fall for the misleading information and lies the Christians are spreading.

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    If the header had referred to it as a "fetish bar" instead of a "gay bar," would that perhaps remove the misplaced emphasis on gays? That would work for me...more on point.

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