War on Thanksgiving graphic
"The War on Thanksgiving" has begun. How did an article about being mindful of your Thanksgiving dinner's ecological impact turn into a full-blown declaration of war?

You've heard of the "War on Christmas," but this year the battle has apparently opened up a second front. That's right: the "War on Thanksgiving" has begun.

The War on Thanksgiving unofficially began earlier this November, when Huffington Post published an article titled 'The Environmental Impact Of Your Thanksgiving Dinner'. While the article explicitly states that "no one should be discouraged from enjoying the holiday or celebrating with family and friends", it does imply that Thanksgiving is a giant recipe for carbon pollution. To help offset the impact of the holiday festivities, the author provides a number of eco-friendly alternatives to reduce your carbon footprint.

Notably, the article suggests swapping out the conventional turkey (which creates 34.2 pounds of CO2) with plant-based alternatives, like brussel sprouts or mushrooms. The author quotes eco-experts who suggest sourcing ingredients locally and considering the impact of your holiday travel on the environment.

While this does arguably put a damper on the Thanksgiving holiday, there is one silver lining: pumpkins have a relatively small carbon footprint, so we can all safely have a second piece of pumpkin pie.

Defenders, Man Your Stations

To the surprise of absolutely nobody, the suggestion of forgoing normal Thanksgiving delights did not sit well with ardent holiday loyalists; it wasn't long before outlets like Fox News picked up the story and ran with it.

"Cancel culture has turned on the holiday," began Fox News host Todd Piro in one segment, backed by a massive "WAR ON THANKSGIVING" graphic. "The Huffington Post is seriously suggesting Americans skip spending time with family, instead foregoing travel to save our planet" finished his co-host.

"All joking aside," Piro continued, "I got viscerally angry because this is the latest attempt to tear down an American tradition that was fine and didn't need any help."

Piro wasn't the only Fox News personality upset about the Huffington Post piece. Popular personality Tucker Carlson took issue with the article as well, insisting that "the left isn't just demanding you give up steak dinners and plastic straws. Now [they're] demanding you cancel Thanksgiving dinner, too."

And host Jesse Watters seemed to take the article as a personal challenge. "They want to fight a War on Thanksgiving? They lost the War on Christmas. They want to fight again? I helped win the War on Christmas. Come at me guys!"

Twitter users were quick to mock the Fox News hosts for expressing outrage - especially given their penchant for calling out so-called "snowflakes" who take offense at perceived minor grievances. 

But is it possible these Thanksgiving defenders have a point? Does embracing progressive sensibilities risk undermining the traditions of our favorite holidays? 

Exorcising Past Demons

Last Sunday, church leadership and the congregation of Plymouth Congregational Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota voted to remove a Thanksgiving embroidery entitled "Churchmen in the New World." The embroidery depicts Pilgrims and Native Americans at the first Thanksgiving table, along with slaves and a slave ship. These images, according to those who voted to remove the embroidery, are part of a harmful origin myth for Thanksgiving that romanticizes early settlers while glossing over later decimation of Native American tribes:

But even at this progressive church, members were divided over how to handle the display. The embroidery, which has hung in the church since 1974, was created by a beloved group of local churchwomen called the Needlers.

Some people were in favor of the vote, believing it was correct to remove any imagery that might be considered offensive. But long-time congregants like Bob Carr see it differently. He told the Star Tribune that removing the embroidery entirely is "throwing history and art under the bus." Another member, Dobby West, said that "to view [the embroideries] only in terms of their unintended message is wounding and turns the Needlers' sacrifice into something to be ashamed of." 

Let's Talk Turkey

It does seem a bit ironic that these high-profile disagreements always flare up around the holidays, a time when we are all supposed to be coming together. And studies show these battles aren't confined to the media space they often spill over into our regular lives. In fact, nearly half of Americans report skipping family gatherings to avoid spending time with relatives they disagree with

That said, the "Thanksgiving War" seems like a clear case of overreaction by both sides.

Does the original Huffington Post article demand that you stay at home, alone in your apartment, and eat cold brussel sprouts this Thanksgiving, as some news personalities tried to frame it? Of course not. It merely asks you to consider the environmental impact your actions have before you dig into Thanksgiving dinner. 

And is an embroidery made in good faith 45 years ago really deserving of being thrown in the trash? That seems pretty harsh. America is reckoning with its not-always-squeaky-clean past, and the process isn't always pretty.

Thanksgiving was made a national holiday by Abraham Lincoln in the midst of the Civil War, at a time when a nation rabidly divided desperately needed a force for unity. Sound familiar?

Perhaps we can all take a cue from the church congregants at Plymouth Congregational. Though opinions were split on the embroidery, they refuse to be torn apart by the issue. Said acting senior minister Paula Northwood: "At the very least, we are going to find a way to agree to disagree and still love each other."

What do you think? Is that a good philosophy for the Thanksgiving table?

68 comments

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    I find it interesting that Thanksgiving in the United States is bigger, from a holiday perspective, than Christmas, and Easter. Is it a sign of the times that the Christian religion is fading?

    ?❤️

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I guess I could buy a turkey T.V. dinner, and think about the pilgrims and Indians while eating it. Until Grandma passed away we always had Thanksgiving dinner at her house. In recent years I've been going out with my brother for Thanksgiving dinner, but he's been busy with a new job, and haven't been able to get him on the phone lately. I know of a couple of bars that always have Thanksgiving dinner, and I do have the ingredients needed to make a couple of pumpkin pies, but as of yet I'm not feeli g very motivated. Then again, if I'd get off my lazy ass, there's still enough time to buy some turkey Spam, Stovetop stuffing, and a can of sweet potatoes. And I love in a small apartment building full of poor retirees, so it wouldnt be hard to find someone to break bread with. I've even got a made in China American flag I can fly, and some fireworks, that aren't legal to fire in this county, but I do have some. It sounds like I might have a good Thanksgiving, after all.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Ignore nay sayers, and go for the gusto ! Happy Thanksgjving !

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          I can't believe what I did today. I must have been possessed by the spirit of the holidays. I was only planning to buy a few turkey T.V. dinners at Kroger today. But the gods, who know I'm a good cook, but too lazy, had other things in mind. They forced that spirit to possess me, almost like an immaculate conception, which led my down the aisle where frozen turkeys were only 39¢ a pound, knowing I couldn't pass up a deal like that, and now I have a 14.39 lb.turkey in my freezer, and can't think of a way to weasel out of baking it next week, and feeding my neighbors, on Thanksgiving, against my will. However, I can't just feed them turkey, the gods told me. So they also forced me to buy stuffing, sweet potatoes, and cranberry sauce, and have a strong feeling I'm also going to bake pies, and pumpkin bread! I feel like a puppet on a string, with no way out. They must be trying to turn me into an angel, but I won't wear a white gown or wings.

          1. The Doctor's Avatar The Doctor

            For all your tongue in cheek and oft times rude and crude jokes, that is likely exactly what the so called Christ of the ancient bible that spoke of the 7 virtues would highly approve of.

    2. James Berman's Avatar James Berman

      I myself, love Thanksgiving. It is one of the few holidays not focused on gifts and consumerism, but merely spending time in someone's presence and being thankful for what you already have, not what you are going to get. Christmas, for the most part is about the gifts, not Jesus. Santa has co-opted the Nativity. But, that's just my perspective..

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        In Christianity, God the Father started the whole ordeal by giving the world the greatest gift of all, his son, supposedly on Christmas day, which they stole from the Pagan Sabbat called Yule; the return of the sun. Gift giving on Christmas has spread like wildfire ever since that supposed event. And giving Christmas gifts at Yule even feels good to this former Christian who was saved by Paganism and Wicca, forty years ago. Blessed be!

        1. Nicole's Avatar Nicole

          This is the first time I have seen the words reversed about Pagan / Christian ... I love it!! former Christian saved by Paganism. Blessed Be my friend <3

        2. Paul's Avatar Paul

          Merry meet! Yule wasn't the only Sabbat/holiday stolen, but that's another post...! But I, too, am a former Christian saved by Paganism and Wicca and feel so much better about it. We should be glad that the old religions are returning and growing exponentially.

          1. Nicole's Avatar Nicole

            Merry Meet!

        3. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          I too was saved by paganism and became Wiccan, a branch of paganism. I literally jumped the broomstick, and tied the knot traditionally, when I married at a private cove on a beach, during sunset, in Maui. We fashioned our own besom, and silk braids for tying the knot. I have now moved on from there, but we still have an altar, and we have broomstick over our front door, with a variety of rose quartz scattered around our property. My wife is still holding onto some of her pagan thoughts, and that’s totally okay with me. Paganism saved her from being JW.

          ?❤️

          1. Nicole's Avatar Nicole

            Merry Meet! Bright Blessings to you & your wife! <3

          2. The Doctor's Avatar The Doctor

            Actually the term Pagan specifically meant someone practicing one of the old roman faiths in rural regions during the rise of the early catholic church. Neo wiccans which is what the modern wiccan movement is more accurately called has nothing to do with that which was called pagan by those who came up with the term to denigrate those they saw as ignorant and backwards.

            In the U.S. today the pagans would likely be the groups like the amish etc that practice old faiths largely derided by the mainstream.

            For example Paula White the evangelical BFF of Cadet Bone Spurs Drumpf would likely see all other forms of christianity as pagan. I doubt she has enough respect or thought to other forms of worship to even warrant insulting them with the word pagan.

        4. elaine mckenzie's Avatar elaine mckenzie

          Yes.. yes.. yes.. Now, if people would remember to leave the trees outside to live... The gifts were for the nature spirits... we are starting to realize that we dont need to hide our nature loving rituals to keep from from being persecuted. People are waking up to their connection to the earth, eachother and more. just be silent for a bit and listen to your inner knowing. Blessed be!

    3. patrick's Avatar patrick

      Doubtful, but I think your comment is a sign of something- of your obsession with said religion, that is. I'm not surprised that you had to go out of your way to make such a comment on a blog entry that's not even about Christianity. As I said, it's doubtful that the religion is "fading," especially when Jesus Christ is living it up 100% rent-free in the minds of people just like you. Happy holidays, bro; God bless you.

      1. Allen's Avatar Allen

        Thanks Patrick. They are obsessed and I find it quite amusing that they appear on what should be a Christian site, for some reason I'm under the impression that ministers and pastors for churches have some connection to God and Jesus and the belief that God is love. The hatred that I see spewed out is mind-boggling.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          But it isn't a Christian site Allen.

          As for your "God is love" statement, I've read the Bible, and he clearly is very far away from emanating love as I understand what love is. His infanticidal, and genocidal, attributes show exactly what type of mythical deity he truly is. Thank you for your comments though.

          Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and may love, logic, and reason, bless you.

          ?♥️

          1. Allen's Avatar Allen

            You are right, Mr. Satan and it seems you are one of the reasons that this isn't a Christian site. Allen

          2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Thank you Allen, but please don't just glorify, and heap praise on me, others need thanks also for their illuminating and very educational secular responses to some very interesting topics.

            Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. May love always fill our hearts!

            ?♥️

        2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          Allen, this is not a Christian site because ULC is not a Christian sect. And minister is not a Christian word, but an English word found in the English dictionary, without any references to Christianity. ULC is only for people of all Faith's, religions, spiritual paths, and beliefs or lack of beliefs. Somehow that even includes Christians, but only those who seek to fit in with the rest of us. We've been known to run off those who promote discord, and so has the staff of ULC. They only print the comments they want to. And experience has proven to me that your kind doesn't last long around here. I suggest you try to fit in with the rest of us, instead of trying to change this blog into something it's not, and was never intended to be.

          1. Allen's Avatar Allen

            Hi Carl. I sincerely apologize for Inferring that ministers are only Christian people. Anyone is entitled to call themselves whatever they want. I have no comments for whatever you wish to worship, pay homage to, or give money to. I only take offense with those who speak derogatory of the holy Bible that was written about Jesus. You're welcome to worship cows or anything else, That is why I take offense about Satan on here because he's in direct conflict and I know he's on here. If my intentions were Not understood, it's because I am poor at expressing good thoughts. Again my apologies.

        3. The Doctor's Avatar The Doctor

          Allen do you understand the term non-denominational? The ULC makes it very clear all forms of faith are under the banner. No one faith is superior to another inherently. And it is in fact christians like you who end up making your preferred faith look bad. Folks behaving like yourself make your faith seem arrogant, domineering, and dictatorial.

          In other words you being a bad spokesman for your god is actually created the antagonism you are complaining about.

          So maybe get a clue, learn to recognize faith is a personal thing not a decree from on high all must abide and obey, and maybe just maybe you will make friends of those with differing faiths rather then cause the conflict that makes enemies out of those of differing views.

          In other words dont shove your savior down our throats and make us so sick we have to spew the bile it causes back out at you.

          1. Allen's Avatar Allen

            Perhaps you should understand Mr. Dr., that I have no comment on any other faith. If you don't make derogatory remarks about the book that I referred to as the holy Bible that talks about my God that has a son named Jesus Christ, then you and I will get along just fine. This site is nondenominational, I am not. I have one God and he had one son and if you leave mine alone, I guarantee you I will surely leave whatever you worship alone.My original argument was with Mr. Satan who made some rather bad remarks about the Bible that talks about Jesus Christ. You just go right ahead and preach about your God. Or is that in small letters? Allen

    4. Layne Harris's Avatar Layne Harris

      Lionheart Thanksgiving is not a religious celebration,therefore celebrated by Christians and non Christians alike. One has nothing to did with that other and absolutely had nothing to do with the state of religion today. Since Thanksgiving is celebrated by almost all Americans it would be bigger then Christmas here.....just like the 4th of July.

  1. Wayne Stevens's Avatar Wayne Stevens

    Do we still have Thanksgiving by the looks of things I think Thanksgiving is been parked out by Christmas even hearing anything about it anyway it's good to know we still have Thanksgiving someplace somehow

    1. Beth K's Avatar Beth K

      Many people, especially those working in retail, no longer have a Thanksgiving anyway. Thanksgiving dinner, even if held in their home, is being edged out by the need to "come in by 3 pm Thanksgiving" for the "Black Friday Earlybird Events", along with customers who stampede into popular retailers for these very early sales. The low-income retail employees cannot refuse to come in, foregoing their Thanksgiving, or they'll lose their jobs.

  1. Rod Gesner's Avatar Rod Gesner

    As one with Native Blood that fought the Battle against the Lies of the Invaders; starting in the 60's at jr high... I find the current battle somewhat laughable ;) However if some one wants to make an environmental and Cultural Statement... Kill as Many Wild Turkeys as you can find.... They are Predatory creatures that eat the eggs and young of other species; as well as Stripping the forest Floor of edibles.. Deer are a serious problem as well overpopulation leads to Breaking the Cycles of young tree replacement and Loss of other Forest Foods; to say nothing of the Road hazards and deadly accidents they cause.. Then Go to all the farms in your area and STEAL as Much food as You Can; as that's what the Pilgrims Did to The Natives. Then for the Cultural Payback: Find The Nearest Badlands Rez and Take the Food and Donate Without any Expectation of Thanks.. As it is Their Country and Therefore Their FOOD Anyway...and While the Pilgrims May have Thanked their "god"; I Doubt if they thanked the Natives They RAPED, PLUNDERED, PILLAGED and MURDERED!

    My Favorite Thanksgiving was When I had enough Roadkill Deer to Share with some Native friends. 2 days before a Turkey Flock visited my compost pile; Grabbed my Shotgun and Having No Turkey Loads; Gutted; him in Flight with a Deer Slug.. Then had Dumpster Veggies, Deer and Turkey With my Friends; and Took the Leftovers to the Local Community Kitchen to Share with those Poorer Than Me; (IN SPITE OF REGULATIONS AGAINST BRINGING FOOD IN TO SHARE) ;)

    1. patrick's Avatar patrick

      I love your comment, although I don't agree with stealing from farmers when you can steal from Wal-Mart instead. Anyway it's nice to see an original thought on here for once; thank you, Rod.

      1. Rod Gesner's Avatar Rod Gesner

        I thought of just limiting it to Corp Farms; but the Issue is all Farmers except Native ones are trespassers and therefore should SHARE with the natives.. Besides Why Insult the Natives w Walmart Foods? This Whole Thing Was Written Tongue in Cheek; as Humor is The Best Defense against Criminal Liabilities; as well as being my Best alternative to RAGE

    2. Layne Harris's Avatar Layne Harris

      Ehhh, I get a free turkey every year anyway. For my family it's get drunk and feast on turkey, corn pudding and succatash day......and be thankful we aren't dead yet, small pox blankets and all.

  1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

    I'm surprised that FOX News hasn't taken up the "War on Sunday". Businesses used to be closed on Sunday so the employees could go to church. And the demon, liquor, was not sold on Sunday like it is now. Children actually are scheduled to practice SCHOOL sports on Sunday keeping the family from church or even home made dinners.

    And LED lighting is causing electric customers to use less electricity!!!! Do you know what that does for the dividends paid to shareholders in utility companies? Old, white people like safety in owning these stocks. LED's are attacking the financial security of these people!

    Thanksgiving is a God-given, red blooded, AMERICAN celebration! Christmas and Easter are brought over from SOCIALIST EUROPEAN countries.

    Oh, I'm sorry. I channeled my fundamentalist older brother there.

    I hope that FOX will one day remember people can eat whatever the heck they want to eat on any day they want to eat it. Maybe they'll find some actual NEWS to report.

  1. Carrie's Avatar Carrie

    Give me a freakin' break! The war on Thanksgiving is a bunch of twaddle! I do think it is stupid to cut into family time for the concept of capitalism. The war on anything is only to promote capitalism and the great god MONEY. The idiotic evangelicals declare war, and slit themselves to prove they are the "protectors" of christmas, whatever the hell that is! You see the "war" is really between the gods of "profit" and the gods of "society". Take your pick and make a stand. You are either on the side of the billionaire oligarchs, or on the side of those who want to spend quality time with family and friends. I personally think society should win. The stupid christians seem to have invited this monkey to sit on their backs and screw their skulls! Have fun!

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      This is the first time I've heard of a war on Thanksgiving . But we do need our guns to shoot turkeys . It sure beats trying to catch one, and strangle it !

  1. Stephanie Willey's Avatar Stephanie Willey

    A war on Thanksgiving, a war on Christmas .... what a complete load of road apples. But what an effective media tool to occupy the simple minds of the American public, redirecting their attention away from the real evil that is happening right in front of US all.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Which evil is that? Do you mean all the gun violence of late? Just asking!

      ?❤️

  1. Maiane santo santos's Avatar Maiane santo santos

    This is war!!!!!! Don’t shoot til you see the white meat.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      And try not to hit the wishbone !!!

    2. Rev Mary's Avatar Rev Mary

      This is a very disturbing comment on many levels.

    3. Michael J McCormick's Avatar Michael J McCormick

      ROTFLMAO

  1. Wayne Stevens's Avatar Wayne Stevens

    Well I hate saying this but in my opinion Thanksgiving isn't necessarily a religious holiday however I think it can be whatever you wish it to be basically in my opinion is a general give thanks to what you already have whatever that is and go from there what I am saying is that it is a religious holiday necessarily it is basically when the American natives helped the Europeans starving and in general they gave thanks for that and today was just generally give thanks for what we do have for example give things to good health be thankful for the fact that we just got up today and walking around

    1. guidvce4's Avatar guidvce4

      In my opinion, Thanksgiving is a great holiday for getting together with friends &/or family and catching up with everybody. We seldom spend it with family as we live some distance from the nearest relatives. Sometimes with neighbors, gracious folks that they are inviting seasoned citizens to their table, or on our own. Always enjoyable, either way. If my spouse and I spend it alone, we tend to wander back through our life together and laff a lot at the things we thought was so important way back when. We always thank each other for what we have. It was a joint effort to get here and we know each of us had a part in it. Still do. Thankful for that. Just sayin'.

      1. Rev.Jimmy's Avatar Rev.Jimmy

        It is a time to be thankful for what you have and have accomplished in life. Look back to wear you were to wear you are now just be thankful and enjoy family and friends this season. Bless all .

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    I'm so interfaith I just blend in all the holidays together, and celebrate the whole holiday season from Thanksgiving through Mardi gras. Happy holidays ! However, y'all probably won't hear from me in December. The forty bucks I'd spend on internet access will help pay for Christmas presents. And I better get a book of Christmas stamps to go with that box of assorted cards. Merry Christmas, Happy Yule, or whatever floats your boat in the holiday season, which, as the song goes, is the "Most wonderful time of the year!"

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    Go shoot a turkey, and get motivated! Avoid bah humbugs, and set up your tree the next day! Come on people, there's a lot of work to do. And above and through it all, try to give a nice day!

  1. Allen's Avatar Allen

    I thank my God that we still have the freedom of choice. If you use Thanksgiving for the good of your family, a get together, a nice meal a sharing with your kids that you don't see near often enough, then I think it's a wonderful thing. If you want to work, go fishing,Go hunting or do nothing that is also your right. Please don't pick on us that find Thanksgiving a comfortable time to be around family, and to take this opportunity to be thankful for what we have and pray for those that don't have. There are some of us that got married, raised a family of decent God fearing children and live a fairly normal life. Please don't attempt to take away something you have no right to do.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      I thank my logic and reason for enabling me to make the right choices of total freedom of thought.

      I am grateful that I raised a decent family that were not indoctrinated to fear any of the worlds mythical gods, even the Christian mythical god. They now live free from any religious bondage, and live a normal life of liberty and complete freedom of thought.

      ?❤️

    2. Jimmy Helms's Avatar Jimmy Helms

      I agree 100 percent and I give you the praise for standing up for what you believe. The truth. Thanks happy Thanksgiving God bless you

  1. Rev. CH's Avatar Rev. CH

    Media loves controversy because it gets readers' attention. Just because Fox or The Huffington Post says something is an issue doesn't mean it really is. After all, think about it. How many people do you know personally who have attempted to stop you from celebrating your holidays? Chances are, there are none. At 55 years old, the only individual I've ever had to put a damper on my holiday was a former boss who was a jerk. There is no "war" on any holiday other than the few individuals who might take issue with a certain religion being given preferential treatment over others by a government. Then, it's not really a war. It's more of a reinforcement of the Establishment Clause. Celebrate it if you want. Don't if you don't, but for goodness sake, don't give in to divisive rhetoric spewed out by media seeking only to inflame listeners' tempers and get more views. It's pathetic, in my opinion, that media has stooped so low on this issue. If you're so inclined, take a trip to Jamestown's archaeological site and learn about what happened in at least one settlement's winter, and you'll find the Thanksgiving myth is something of a misnomer. If you prefer to not know and simply carry forth a tradition of what you want the world to be, then do that.

  1. Oh Mo's Avatar Oh Mo

    What war? Jaysus f'ing Cristo - ULC is starting to sound like a Republican rubber stamp. Stirrin' up shit just to stir up shit. ????????????????????

  1. Thomas William Cornfield's Avatar Thomas William Cornfield

    What is a Thanksgiving? . In reality it is a time to come together with Family and friends. There seems to be a misconception about this, maybe more foreign influences on our culture. Unlike Christmas, Easter (where things are expected to be given) Thanksgiving is meant to be a time of forgiveness, and welcoming all in the family together and give thanks that the Lord God Almighty (creator and destroyer of all things in the universe) Has Help us through another year. It is also a time to ignore the petty differences with each other. Remember Honor thy mother and thy Father or to the ones house you will have this great holliday together Minister Thomas

  1. James LaMountain's Avatar James LaMountain

    Hi I am Jim and I am one of your ministers. I have many Native Friends and suggest you read the Mourning Road to Thanksgiving by Larry Spotted Crow Mann.

    The first official proclimation of thanksgiving was by Gov Winthrop celebrating the Pequot massacre of 1637 where musketmen from Plymouth surrounded a sleeping village of 700 elders , women, and children. The men were all out on a hunting party. The pilgrims then set the village ablaze and anyone running out were shot by musketmen or run through by rapiers.. Please research the history and Larry Spotted Crow is a great place to start.

    https://www.facebook.com/1094655395/posts/10214977951177633?d=n&sfns=mo

    After studying local History I have learned that we need to learn as much historical info as we can before the universe will allow us to unindoctorate and de- enculturation.

    Remember.. It’s all about the Love Rev James P LaMountain Nipmuck Territory 2019

  1. Zoons's Avatar Zoons

    The European colonization of the Americas is the worst thing that could happen to native earth keepers and this land, nothing for us to celebrate. However we can all join in a harvest celebration of sharing earth' s bounty.

  1. Sarah's Avatar Sarah

    The story of the natives and pilgrims is a lie. This is why I stand against this day. Not about being with family and etc that should be done more than once or twice a year. I have never done the pilgrim feast. Do your research. What was told in school about thanksgiving is a lie.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      If it was a lie, at least it was a good lie that started a wonderful holiday and celebration.

  1. Charles Jenkins's Avatar Charles Jenkins

    Absolutely RIDICULOUS! There is NO WAR on Christmas, Thanksgiving or Easter. I don't know why or who started this stupid lie. If you celebrate these holidays no one cares! This form of deception is believed by those who can't think for themselves.

  1. Jollyn's Avatar Jollyn

    Do you make this stuff up? And who cares what Fox News does? Why not focus on importantproblems, not this nonsense?

  1. Gerald Duggins's Avatar Gerald Duggins

    Thanksgiving is about family and friends and above all being thankful for what we have. We have the freedom to worship as we please and to share love with family and friends. Why is it there always has to be a small group of indoctrinated people that want to upset the apple cart, destroy our history and our way of life? We see the hate from these small groups of people that have been taught to hate not love, they have been taught that God is false and a fantasy. I feel very sad for these people because they won't accept the truth and will only feel hate forever.

  1. Bruce's Avatar Bruce

    As a Minneapolis resident, I sometimes feel that I am live at ground zero in political correctness. But these are important conversations, as painful as they can be. As I read about the Thanksgiving tapestry in the local paper, I remember being relieved that this issue wasn't at my church. There will be no winner in stomping on the artwork donated by the senior women of Plymouth Congregational, but they needed to have that discussion. Will this and changing the name of a city lake from a racist Congressman to a Dakota tribal name address all the wrongs to members of America's first nations? Hardly, but it is a step towards appreciating a different perspective. A friend from Atlanta cannot understand my disgust at a chant at their baseball game (not to mention the name of an NFL team; why is that still a thing?). Once you appreciate how hurtful misplaced names and celebrations can be, you will find yourself walking a different path.

    Where does it end? Right now Macalester College in St. Paul is removing the name of its founder from a building because of his strident racism. Edward Neill founded two Presbyterian Churches and was the first chancellor of the University of Minnesota, eventually becoming Lincoln's private secretary, among other things. It seems that the good men do is oft interred with their bones (excuse the gender bias) since we cannot permit ourselves to celebrate people or events with a dark side. But isn't it better to understand that dark side? Precious little time to do that when people treat discourse as an excuse to ramp up the volume.

  1. Lynn May's Avatar Lynn May

    Well. Interesting article and responses. Thanksgiving has always been special to me. However, as I have gotten older (just turned 69 a couple of weeks ago) and family have died and friends have moved to other parts of the country, this holiday has dwindled down to just my husband and myself. We have a farm, and the past two years, the turkeys I have raised from day old little ones to about four or five months old, have been our dinner for this holiday and others during the coming year. The heritage turkeys I didn't use for food but raised into adulthood managed to find their way to the wild turkey flocks we have in our national forest within which our farm is located and we live, thereby increasing the "natural" flocks that had once, a few years ago, just about disappeared. Every so often, I can hear them make turkey noises. At any rate, this year it will just be the two of us, and we are fine with that. Not sure what I will be fixing. We are thankful we moved from southeast New Mexico just over five years ago to far southwest Missouri in the Ozark Mountains. We are thankful for our chickens and ducks and horse and mule and donkeys. For our apple orchard. For our one old dog who is 12, and our farm cats who give us comfort and keep the vermin and rodents away. We have learned that we don't need much to be happy. Malls are no longer part of our life. Neither is cable television. Yes, we have Internet and stream in Netflix and AmazonPrime. We do have cell phones and text a few people and keep in touch via email. I still send cards and write letters. We have our desk computers, and I have my iPad. Other than that, we have our hobbies and ways to make a little extra money. Try to be as self-sufficient as we can. But, as retired persons, we have learned to do without a lot of stuff we don't otherwise need. It is a good life. It works for us but not everybody. Happy Thanksgiving to all and celebrate it whatever way works for you.

    1. Allen's Avatar Allen

      Thank you, and the same to you.

  1. Jim Murray's Avatar Jim Murray

    I agree with most of the comments of Gerald and many of the other commenters regarding the “War on Thanksgiving.” I think it is Fox News attempt to “create” debate, controversy, and “news” for their viewers and thereby create ratings. Just another aspect of the commercialization of the holidays. For myself growing up it was mostly a time of family members gathering and spending time together which I enjoyed growing up. Like most of you, at school there were the traditional misrepresentation of the colonization of North America and the “discovery” of Native American peoples, cutting of paper turkeys and making of pine cone turkeys. I like others who have written like the less commercial aspects of the holiday. Yes “Black Friday” sales have moved into Thanksgiving Thursday. But if you decide to stay at home and have a postprandial nap, a family game of backyard sports, cards, board games, going for a walk, or if you lived in Florida (like I did,) a walk on the beach or a game of tag in the pool. Like most you it was only as I moved on to high school and college or work and the war in Vietnam Nam that I learned about the problems of “his”tory, the hidden “her’story, the one sided white, Euro-centric view of most everything. I started getting a peek into the world of people of different colors, different cultures, and different perspectives. I also started to learn that these people not only lived “over there”, but also at my school, workplace, and in some cases even in my neighborhood.

    As someone who was born in 1950, I have been blessed to have been given the time to awaken to many changes in understanding the world in which I live. Like most of you I have worked to become one with and change my understanding of the world. So I say find ways to reduce your Thanksgiving carbon footprint by going solar or wind power, find additional ways to capture carbon in the earth and release oxygen, give up meat for November and enjoy your turkey, or do other things to help save the planet and give thanks everyday for family, friends, and love ones with which to share the earth. It is my favorite holiday because it is so easy to find things to be thankful for when the people and dogs at the table I am sitting at ask that in editable question.

    I hope you all have a wonderful day, however you spend it and that all of the people of the world will have the same.

  1. Donald W Schmidt's Avatar Donald W Schmidt

    As I assumed ULC was an unbiased organization accepting of all views, I find it disheartening that themonastery.org, in it's marketing email for this article, has put the phrase "Save the Turkeys" directly above photos of people who promote science and are concerned for the environment.

    That visual sends the micro-message that all people who are concerned about the environment and scientific facts are "turkeys" in the derogatory sense as defined below:

    ...a person or thing of little appeal; dud; loser. ...a naive, stupid, or inept person. ...a poor and unsuccessful theatrical production; flop.

    From an editorial standpoint, your images should require as much thought and review before publishing as your other editorial materials do to avoid the appearance bias by taking the side of Christianity over science (the other people in the image); unless, of course, you intended to smear and alienate certain segments of our society.

  1. Daniel's Avatar Daniel

    I think the only "war" is generated against the people by the mass marketing machinery that detracts from the values of quality family time and intended community well-being, with the Hope that more and more people sell out to short-sided capitalistic consumerism. On a lighter note, since the Christ wasn't born on Christmas and the "Thanksgiving" P.R. propaganda is not what happened historically, maybe they should just switch dates. Then people might be more thankful for what they got, and have, instead of supposedly being thankful before rushing off on "black friday" to try and get more sh*t.

  1. Jeffrey Lukasiewicz's Avatar Jeffrey Lukasiewicz

    Break bread with someone was seen always as peace. offering between differing sides, we should be able to come to the table at least for the day.

  1. DrF350's Avatar DrF350

    Just read the original HP article; it's tepid, harmless. Fox is manufacturing this fake "war" to dupe gullible conservatives into being mad about nothing and blaming it on liberals.

    Maybe it's a power fantasy for them; start an imaginary war, paint a political opponent as the enemy, and then (since it's all fake) pretend like you "won" and claim victory. I mean there's even a quote from a Fox anchor claiming that he "helped win the war on Christmas" like he's some kind of hero for protecting things that nobody wanted to take away in the first place.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I glad I never look at Fox News, but prefer CNN, and QLixar News. Even the Galveston Daily News isn't that bad.

  1. A druid's Avatar A druid

    People...lighten up! Eat turkey, stuffing, and mashed potatoes. Smother them in gravy. Drink too much and watch football. Go ahead and argue with your uncle. It's o.k. this is the holiday for fun with your family. We'll all be better for it tomorrow. A little fatter, a lot happier. This is one day a year.

  1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

    In case everyone has not noticed yet, there are individuals who will complain about everything. Do everything they ask, change everything they want changed and they will still not be satisfied . They will continue to complain because complaining is what they like most. Its a game, lets see what I can make others do.

    If you do not believe in climate change, hide and watch. If you think a few turkey dinners suppressed will stop it, hide and watch.

    Is the history behind Thanksgiving skewed, slanted or murky? YES! Has this nation treated our native American brothers shamefully? YES! Do we continue to do it? YES! We can do much to right this wrong in the form of legislation reform, honoring treaties we have broken and countless other things that would make a real difference to Indian cultures, no tar sands oil being piped across our country perhaps. Knocking out a holiday further undermining our culture does not seem the best way.

    Perhaps we should ask why so many families have such a hard time getting along for a single day? What is wrong in our society that we are all so isolated from each other? Oh yeah, selfishness promotion by 24 hour advertising, competition of each individual against every other individual instead of a unified purpose. The endless tightening of access to all the necessities of life by the wealthy elite. Then there is the digital isolation of the "Smart phone" which promotes total reliance on its service instead of your own brain. I could go on. Holidays are not the problem here.

    I am having a traditional New England Thanksgiving with all the gravy and spuds, stuffing and pie because that is how I was raised and that is what I enjoy. I will be cooking together with my 78 year old mother who I do not know how many more she may be here for. If anyone has a problem with that, then YOU have a problem. Please do not try to make it mine. If you want a tofu turkey, more power to you but do not try to FORCE me to your way of thinking. I do not do that to others.

    Peace

    I.S. Johnson

Leave a Comment

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

Don't have an account yet? Create Account