Is it just us, or are there a lot more half-goat, half-demons marching their cloven hoofs in Christmas parades lately?
Krampus, the child-napping underworld dweller ripped straight from Eastern European folklore is experiencing a major resurgence in popularity. This once-obscure demonic alternative to jolly ol’ Saint Nick is now a household name in Europe and the Americas.
While many American cities have been host to Krampus-themed parades in recent years (a source of controversy themselves), this year the creature is a common sight in general holiday festivities around the country.
Krampus has officially gone mainstream in 2025 – but some folks are not happy about it.
Who is Krampus?
Naughty kids better watch out: This cloven-hoofed, anthropomorphic half-goat half-demon will find you if you’ve been bad. And whereas Santa leaves naughty kids lumps of coal and tells them to try to get on the nice list next year, Krampus throws them in a sack and beats them with a birch rod.
Anthropologists and folklorists believe Krampus comes from pre-Christian Alpine Pagan tradition, where he was largely contained until 2004. That’s when graphic designer Monte Beauchamp released a series of vintage postcards highlighting “The Devil of Christmas,” bringing Krampus to the shores of America.
In the decades since, Krampus has wormed his way into holiday pop culture, including as the titular villain in a 2015 Universal film. He's also the main attraction of countless Krampus-themed parades and parties around the world.
For those seeking an alternative to holiday sweetness, Krampus provided the perfect alternative. But not all are fans of this December devil.
Krampus on Parade
You may spot some horns amidst all the Santas and reindeer and Christmas cheer at your local holiday parade this year. That’s because fans of Krampus are applying for – and receiving – permits to participate in seasonal festivities all around the country.
Over in Hawaii, Kaua’i’s annual Lights on Rice parade – one of the biggest annual events on the island – featured an entire Krampus float, with steam emanating from the float’s cauldron and children on the float locked in a cage. This imagery, displayed at what was ostensibly a family-friendly event, upset some Christians. Critics decried the float as demonic.
According to reports, one man even rushed the float and begged parents to cover their children’s eyes to shield them from the demonic visage. Police got involved when a spectator threw a can of beer at the float participants.
And in Fayetteville, Arkansas, a local bar owner’s Krampus parade float in the city’s annual Lights of the Ozarks parade similarly ignited controversy. He says the bar’s telephone has been ringing nonstop – and it’s not from fans telling him he did a great job. "Some of the comments that I got are things that I can't repeat on television, things that make me fear for my safety," he stated.
An Expected Backlash
For those that celebrate Christmas as a deeply religious holiday, even allowing Santa Claus to share in the spotlight doesn't sit well with some families. The idea of parades celebrating Santa's demonic alter-ego? Religious opponents say that's a bridge too far.
"Christmas is about the birth of our Lord and only savior Jesus Christ. This is a total disgrace and if my child was at a Christmas parade and saw this, I would do my best to shut down any business involved in it," one commenter said.
“We don't want a demonic creature in our Christmas parades where our young children are,” said another. “Some of you don't want Jesus shoved in your face. Respect the fact that we also don't want demons shoved in ours.”
Similar stories are popping up across the country, with Krampus making appearances in local holiday festivities – and swiftly meeting backlash.
But Krampus fans say they’re just trying to bring some alternatives to the countless Nutcracker and Santa Claus-themed floats. Christmas is for everyone, they argue. Even those with an interest in pre-Christian Pagan folklore.
“We weren’t hurting anybody, we were just doing a Christmas tradition that was a little bit different than what everyone else was doing,” explained the person responsible for the Krampus float in Hawaii. “We’re not sorry for making the float.”
Krampus Goes Mainstream
With Krampus stepping out of obscure folklore and into the spotlight of mainstream holiday celebrations, communities are now grappling with a familiar seasonal question: who gets to define what “belongs” at Christmas?
For some, the horned figure represents a playful nod to ancient traditions and a counterbalance to saccharine holiday cheer; for others, his presence feels like a line crossed at events meant to center on faith, family, and the birth of Christ.
As cities issue permits and parades grow more eclectic, the debate seems destined to continue. So where should the line be drawn, and does a bigger tent for holiday traditions enrich Christmas, or dilute its meaning?
65 comments
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Religion as a Weapon is Wrong
The star of a Christmas parade should be Santa Clause. The star in a church service should be Jesus. The star of a generic parade can be anybody.
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Ben
Krampus it's part of the whole Christmas celebration. I'm all for it. I like Santa Claus too.
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Lucas V. Nickol
I am all for equal time. The U.S. Is supposed to respect freedom of speech and religion. Let them all express themselves wherever they see fit. I don't think Christianity is under siege particularly. Parents should teach kids to behave ethically and morally, regardless of what they believe, and they should emphasize the idea that behaving in a civil manner means being tolerant of others' and their ideas about the world, particularly where it concerns sexuality and religion.
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Alisha Rodriguez
Christmas is a man made holiday. No where in scripture are we required to keep Christmas holy. It's about time Christians learn the truth of the pagan roots of the most secular holiday of the year. Constantine declaring December 25 as the birth of Christ did not make his declaration as Gospel. As a Christian minister, I thankful to see the truth of pagan roots behind Christmas. From Krampus to Santa to the snitch on the self what a great Christian message, presents and blessings to the girls and boys who are good all year. Thas I is NOT the message of Christ. Regardless of age we are all blessed through Christ's grace. God's grace is His unmerited favor towards us. It is time to stop the Christmas lie spewed in the name of Jesus.
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Edwin Wilfred Mckinney
Entry point of view from my own eyes to which were all upen to our own understanding as to the pagan laws that where already destroyed after the flood. wHY ARE WE STILL CELEBRATING WHAT GOD ALREADY DESTROYED IN THE FLOOD. gEN CHAPTER 2. noah WE BIRTH THE NATION NOW,WHY ARE WE STILL NOT LOOKING TO DO GODS WILL ONLY
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Parson Golden
Well, then clearly they were not destroyed in any flood.
Which gives cause to the thinking man who fails to find any such proof that a “great flood” occurred. The Great Flood claim collapses under basic evidence: Earth’s rock layers and fossils are orderly and formed over vast time, not deposited in a single catastrophic event; ice cores and tree rings show uninterrupted annual records going back tens of thousands of years with no sign of global flooding; and human civilizations in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and China continued without interruption during the supposed flood period.
Biology and genetics also rule out the survival and rapid diversification of all species from a handful of animals or humans, and there is no physical source or place for the volume of water such a flood would require.
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Edwin Wilfred Mckinney
Peace and lets get back to the original meaning of celebrating the LORD when he was birth was inside a manager or cave fleeing death from Israel. Let the meaning of the wise men coming to bend down at ask for blessing from the KING OF KINGS. THE TRUE MEANING IS LIFE, WHICH WE CELEBRATE each day. Why are we celebrating this after noah rebirth of mankind.
we should celebrate life daily, we do not need presents or is it more than that.
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Minister Rob
My Guy, No One reads anything in all caps! It makes it seem that you are yelling at folks, and you need not yell!
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Ari Joseph Bertine
'“We don't want a demonic creature in our Christmas parades where our young children are,” said another. “Some of you don't want Jesus shoved in your face. Respect the fact that we also don't want demons shoved in ours.”'
So you think the Krampus is a demon, even after being told that he isn't, but you're okay with the Grinch, who has a song about how mean he is, and Minions, who are literally the servants of a villain.
"But the Grinch turns good at the end of the story! And the Minions aren't evil, it's G-rated 'villainy', they hardly break any laws!"
Oh, so the STORY matters? Like the definitions of the characters as they are meant to be interpreted? Then the Krampus isn't a frickin' demon, you weirdos. Stop being deliberately obtuse. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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obere mchugh
Im, Glad to live in a generally good state, and the many of people who love our "krampus" halloween animatronic, to which we altered and turned towards the crooked one(crom dubh na nollaig) love taking pictures with and always love it, both for hallow'een and Winter Solstice, as well we have a depiction of the great sun child , horned god and mother goddess no one objects not even the christians whom see it. as they view it as just another celebratory seasonal display!
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Mark P. Bender
And what are we really afraid of? Another teaching opportunity to make the children laugh. God is the way truth and light.
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Jamie Frost
I don't live that far from Fayetteville, AR... Krampus at the parade is an amazing addition to celebrating the season..
.. Christians throwing a fit because it "goes against the meaning of Christmas" .... And what's that?? The celebration of someone that was possibly born in May/April??? As far as I know; Jerusalem is in the northern hemisphere...so, he was born in the spring..
Christian have already taken over the meaning of Saturnalia, and other solstice holidays.. They need to mind their own business and start practicing that "Jesus loves everyone" rhetoric they shove down people's throats
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Barnabas-Francis Immaculata MacPhail
How many of these so-called Chruistians who are complaining about Krampus have absolutely no problem ignoring what Jesus actually said about those who follow him? (Matthew 25 - Sheep and goats) Also, if Jesus is the "reason for the season" as so many of those same folk claim, why then are they rushing to the stores and spending huge amounts of money - proving that the actual "reason for the season" is pure capitalist greed???
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Leslie A. Hulberg Née Tomasura
Whatever became of freedom in the United States? Since when does one group hold sway over all others? In Norway, Krampus follows Santa basically telling children to be good. If anything one would think that a religious group (who seem to be the ones with the biggest issue) would embrace the idea of a scary looking being telling their children to be good or they would be taken by Krampus. Don’t they teach Heaven is where those who are good will end up with the deity of love and those that are bad will end up in Hell with the demons? When it is brought to life, suddenly it’s bad? Please clarify the issue. Good vs Evil supposedly has always been the case. Choice and free will has also been the case. What about judgement day as so many faithful declare? I think it is all an over reaction to a simple question. If you are good there is reward, if you are bad, this will be your reward. I am not sure the Norse would agree that this is someone who should be removed from the culture.
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Rev. Kev
Whatever became of freedom in the United States? The answer to that is clearly Donald Trump as he strikes out against anyone who disagrees with him. I have faith that the American people will win back their freedoms soon.
As far as "Since when does one group hold sway over all others?" goes, how about since always?!
I'm sure as an American, you're familiar with the phrase "In God we trust" (and its variations). If not, check your money, your national anthem, and many courtrooms across the US. Speaking of which, how about "...so help me God" before taking the stand in court as a witness? Happen to know your Pledge of Allegiance: "...one Nation under God"?
These are undeniably references to the Christian god, not one in the general sense. How about this? In the 1930s the National Legion of Decency, a Christian group dedicated to identifying objectionable content in movies, successfully prevented movie makers from showing nudity in movies; that didn't happen in other countries. The examples of Christian beliefs' sway over nearly everything in the US are seemingly endless. It's funny how we don't see what's right in front of us simply because we're used to it.
As far as Krampus, I never heard of him before today so I'm not sure it's hit the Americas quite as hard as suggested in the article. Regardless, I could certainly see him inspiring all kinds of children's nightmares - regardless of religion. I'd hate to see it being removed for not being Christian, though.
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Rev. Donut
Krampus.
Santa Claus
Easter Bunny.
And the winner is-------All retail stores.
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Sir Lionheart
You are so right. We all know when Christmas is getting close, Easter eggs start becoming available in the stores. 🤭
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Robert M Carter
How weak is your God, your Faith, and your Religion that you believe any of that can be harmed by a ficticious character?
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Joseph Grieco
If these folks are upset about Krampus, wait until they hear about Black Pete, aka Zwarte Piet! Dutch tradition has him as St Nick's assistant, handing out presents. Depictions of him are right out of 19th and early 20th century minstrel shows.
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Andrew A. Brinksma
Black Peter (Zwarte Piet) didn't hand out presents. He used a wooden rod to.punish bad children. This was a character that actually existed in the European tradition and was believed to travel with Saint Nicholas, who at the time was awas n actual priest who loved the people. Santa Claus was a different character who became our current version of Santa Claus, aka St.Nick.
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Alexander E. Istomin MD
As ministers, our role isn’t to police folklore, but to uphold discernment.
Krampus is a pre-Christian figure built around fear and punishment. Christmas—religious or cultural—centers on hope, mercy, and the protection of children. Blending the two in family settings isn’t pluralism; it’s a failure of context.
Freedom of expression survives just fine without abandoning boundaries.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Personally, I'm not sure which is creepier, a jolly fat man putting kids in his lap, telling them he's spying on them, and if they show up on the "naughty" list, all they will get for Christmas is a lump of coal in their stocking, or a horned and cloven footed beast demon. When my kids were little Santa scared them to death, and I could never get a decent picture of them with him, so I quit trying.
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Joseph Grieco
And don't forget that spy he tries to plant on a horizontal surface in every house to encourage good behavior! Of course, that has led to numerous memes this time of the year.
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obere mchugh
At my covenstead(home temple for coven and congregational wiccan public temple) we keep up our krampus animatronic to which gets families to come take pictures during Hallow'een, also gets same familes to come take pictures during the winter season also. While i refer to him as the crooked one the ancient idea of the horned one of the winter season to where children are not rewarded but punished for not fallowing the ancient ideal's of the winter season with hospitality and correct behavior. i had never been raised christian and do not fallow the ideals put down as the birth of christ nor fallow the traditions or celebrations hither too. for those who are christians and do the religious side of christmas i respect your religious flavor ofcourse also i say you should also honor the fact that there are other faiths and other ways of celebrating the season of winter that are not your's and not inlign with the judeo-christian world view.
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Joe R Day
Yes, I agree with "for those who are christians and do the religious side of christmas i respect your religious flavor ofcourse also i say you should also honor the fact that there are other faiths and other ways of celebrating the season of winter that are not your's."
When attempting to express yourself and promote your ideology/opinion... Correct spelling and grammar are the first things others read...
From your post: "i had never been raised christian and do not fallow the ideals put down as the birth of christ nor fallow the traditions or celebrations hither too."
Corrected, it should read, "I have never been raised Christian and do not follow the ideals put down as the birth of Christ nor follow the traditions or celebrations associated with Christmas Celebrations. (hitherto definition: until now or until the point in time under discussion:)
My only reason for this post? My only wish for you, is to be to 'Be Heard' and for that to happen, your posts must have correct spelling, punctuation and syntax (the arrangement of words and phrases to create well-formed sentences in a language.)
I agree with several points made in this post, however, it was hard to discern intent and justification of ideals, because the content did not make it easy...
May your Winter Solstice be happy and comforting!
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James Riggle-Johnson
In the beginning, there was the winter solstice—not Genesis, but the sun. People have been marking the darkest days of winter for thousands of years, long before Christianity entered the chat. That’s why Christmas landed in late December in the first place. December 25 isn’t Jesus’ actual birthday; it’s a symbolic one—and symbolism is kind of Christianity’s whole thing.
Which brings us to Krampus. He’s a folkloric character whose job is to scare naughty kids into behaving. If the guy in the parade isn’t abducting children, summoning demons, or canceling Christmas, maybe we can all unclench a little. Honestly, are kids terrified by Krampus, or is it just their parents who are offended on their behalf?
Christians make up about 30% of the world’s population—we don’t own winter, parades, or the December tradition. Technically, I’m a Christian, and I don’t mind sharing the season with Krampus. December 25 isn’t Jesus’ real birthday anyway, and I’m pretty sure he’ll survive the parade.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
A parade float caused a bar owner to received phone-call threats that made him fear for his safety?
Better not make the peaceful, love-thy-neighbor xtians angry, huh?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Krampus is more a part of Christmas than the nativity scene which only came into existence 1,200 years after the birth of Jesus.
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Joseph Grieco
I'm still trying to figure out how a slender, brown-skinned Syrian bishop with the reputation of punching heretics in the nose at Church Councils became the fat, jolly white guy that give out presents on Christmas. Krampus, like St. Nicholas, has his "celebration" weeks before Christmas. Krampusnacht is essentially the eve of the Feast of St Nicholas, on December 6. The Nativity scenes have been a Christian theme since the late 4rd Century CE. The form we knew started with St. Francis of Assisi, and has been elaborated on since.
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David Cox
How much people believe. It's very sad how much this country has come too.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, you are sooooo right. Some people actually voted for Kamal Harris at the last election. They actually believed she was a good choice. Some people have some real strange beliefs ….right? Fortunately, logic, reason and common sense won out and America was saved from imploding on itself. I was almost tempted to think there really was a god after we all saw the results. We dodged a HUGE bullet there. 🤭
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Michael Hunt
Instead we got an old man with dementia issuing tariffs on everything, covering for a pedophile, and eroding the democratic principles of checks and balances so he can consolidate more power and wealth for him and his family. I'd think that you'd want diplomats with experience in diplomacy instead of the president's biggest financial supporters in those roles but I guess not. We're the laughing stock of the world these days but, hey, at least a woman of color isn't our nation's leader, right? Heaven forbid we choose someone with years of experience in the profession! No! We need an outsider to shake things up until it all collapses! Great plan!
I wish I could say that it amazes me that someone would vote for such a clearly incompetent person but we already had two terms of W. Bush and now two for a reality tv show host so I'm really not.
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Sir Lionheart
Isn’t it amazing that we have someone leading the nation, that in your opinion is someone who suffers with dementia, and yet is doing so well. He seems to have done more in this last 11 months than President Biden did in four years. How wonderful it is that we have another three years to go under his leadership. It must be really hurting for those people who tried to support President Biden, and then Kamal Harris, as best they could. It actually was a no-brainer to most of us that she would lose the election.
It’s possibly not fair for you to refer to Kamala Harris as being a woman of color as the reason she possibly lost the electorate. Color obviously has nothing to do with it. Intellect does, of which she has none.
Thank you for your comment though, it’s even possible that some might agree with you, bless them.
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Michael Hunt
If intellect was the deciding factor in the election, Trump would have lost to a rock. I was not at all surprised Kamala lost the election and she certainly wasn't my first choice, but you're right, Trump has done more damage to our country in 11 months than Biden did in 4 years. Congrats on such an accomplishment!
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Sir Lionheart
I see your woke virus, and also TDS is kicking in again. You might find the next three years to be very difficult for you. Please reach out at any time, I’m more than happy to help in any way I can. I’m quite serious about that. Please take care! 🤗
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Michael Hunt
Again, you accuse me of imaginary mental illnesses instead of rebutting any of my claims.
I don't need any help from you, thanks, but if you ever want to come back to reality before you pass on to whatever comes next, I'll be here for you.
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Andrew A. Brinksma
Knock it off, both of you. This is a discussion about the Krpus, not your political beliefs.
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Sir Lionheart
My initial response was to David Cox about his comment on “beliefs”, and the thread went from there, and that’s totally okay Andrew. I’m sorry freedom of speech doesn’t sit well with you if it doesn’t fit with what you want to see. May I politely suggest you skip over comments you don’t like seeing if that will help you.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Ahh, but the entire issue is political. The willfully ignorant, religiously delusional conservatives are the ones that are upset about Krampus.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Who says we have to tolerate pagan beliefs. I say no way to that. Santa Claus, aka St. NICOLAS is a true myth. He really existed. He gave gifts to kids, donated to orphanages, etc.
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Minister Tim
Who says we have to tolerate christain beliefs? We were around thousands of years earlier and y'all stole our culture and claimed it as your own to make conversion more palatable. Honestly, christianity can't seem to come up with anything original. The christian church could be considered the reason the word plagiarism came into being. This time of year began as, and still is, the celebration of Yule and the winter Solstice. Read some history.
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David Cox
When do you think Christianity started?
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Minister Tim
well, unless it was around during the dinosaurs, thousands of years after the Pagan religions and others. The Abrahamic religions are only about 2000 years old, give or take a couple years. A long time after pagan religions so yeah, culture theft.
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Patricia Ann Gross
You're right, that Abrahamic religions are much younger than Paganism, but the Jewish faith is more like 6,000 years. Christianity didn't come about until after the death of Christ, which was about 2,000 years ago, and the Muslim faith came about 500 years later.
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Ben
Judaism isn't even 4000 years old.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Christmas, as the celebration of Jesus's birth, was established over 300 years after Jesus's death. They intentionally set it to align with the winter solstice to make the shift to Christianity easier.
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Andrew A. Brinksma
First of all, WE didn't steal anything. This was all decided century's ago. Second, the krampus is a Scandinavian belief and was a prominent figure in their celebrations. The figure of "Black Peter" who was a companion of Saint Nicholas used a wooden rod to punish bad children. There has always been a source of punishment to convince bad children to be good. The point is that the Krampus and Black Peter doesn't figure in our culture. This may be a sad statement of our current beliefs, but we can also understand that it was a part of our immigrants beliefs. As to the arguments about Jesus, his teachings were basically good, and are worthy of respect. The beliefs of other cultures on the whole follow the same beliefs.
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Parson Golden
Well I suppose you do not have to, but thank you for telling the world that you have no tolerance for others. How many Christian of you.
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Parson Golden
Well I suppose you do not have to, but thank you for telling the world that you have no tolerance for others. How very Christian of you.
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Patricia Ann Gross
True myth = Oxymoron
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Reverend Paula Copp
Krampus is a pagan figure. Paganism was established long before Christianity. Christians tried to stamp out all other religions. They co-opted the pagan rituals and made them their own. But, not to worry. The old religions are re- emerging, and with them come the old gods… if the Christians don’t like it, they don’t have to look. ( Jesus, in all likelihood, was not born on the 25. There was no snow. And Jesus wasn’t white.)
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David Cox
Well people will find out who the real God is. And it's sad that so many peoplehave turned their backs on . These days are like the days of Noah. Ignorant always chasing other God's. The bible says that this was going happen.
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Minister Tim
And this kind of narrow-mindedness is why christianity is seen by so many as ignorant, overbearing, and a power grab. So many of y'all act like you are either the only religion or the only true religion. Try expanding your mind. You don't have to believe what others do but 6,000 other religions/beliefs exist. Try not to let your ego of a belief system lead you to dismiss other's beliefs.
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Sir Lionheart
David, no one knows for sure if there is a real god. If there is a real god he seems to be incapable of proving it for all his omnipotence.
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Parson Golden
Well, then which one is the “real god”? There are literally hundreds. And using the Bible as evidence to support a theory of any of the Gods is like using the “Night before Christmas” to support the theory that there is a Santa Claus.
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Joseph Grieco
Other gods? In the Old Testament, Adonai admits there are other gods out there. He just demands the Hebrew people (specifically the sons of Jacob/Israel) follow him exclusively. That many of us are the spiritual descendants of an "apostle" who spread the word of an itinerant reforming Jewish teacher of the early 1st Century CE well beyond his intended audience is an accident of 4th Century CE Roman Imperial politics.
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Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan
Unfortunately many people these days do not understand that there are other people, other histories, besides themselves. This is an extremely sad and unrealistic idea that creates a sense of entitlement that they are able to abuse others it is very sad. As for krampus it's an old cautionary tale from the old country.
Maybe the fact that it's out to punish bad people is the reason they're so scared of it.
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Joseph Grieco
Waitaminit! You mean to say we are not supposed to be completely governed by a fundamentalist, evangelical mentality, and what people think are Puritan sensitivities? You mean we should allow folks their native customs as part of their holiday traditions and not limit themselves to just what Clint Pressley tell them they should be doing? Awright! Io Saturnalia!
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Parson Golden
Well Krampus predates Santa, and Christmas itself before being co-opted by Christians is a celebration of Yule or the middle of the darkest of the season, so Krampus deserves the same amount of stage space that Santa Claus or Jesus does.
Because we’re supposed to preach tolerance and acceptance, and if one mythical creature getting more airtime than another mythical creature bothers you, then perhaps you need to reassess your positions.
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James Riggle-Johnson
I couldn’t agree more. The acceptance and tolerance thing is going to be called DEI, unfortunately. But yes, there is room for Krampus as well.
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Nicholas J Page
We don't need Krampus or any other demonic creatures folklore or not let's keep Christmas for what it is the birth of Christ and not to scare children Remember the movie Miracle on 34th Street with Lord Attenborough Santa is real.
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Minister Tim
First, Krampus is not anymore "demonic" than your Santa Clause. Second, there is no proof (actually there is proof to the contrary) that your christ was born during this time of year. There is proof/history, that this was and has been for many centuries, the celebration of Yule and the winter solstice. Your christmas this time of year, along with so-called traditions, amounts to stolen culture.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The idea of calling it ‘stolen culture’ lacks emphasis that it’s just a potpourri of rehashed, nonsensical myths.
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Lisann M
So because Constantine decided to hijack our celebrations of the winter solstice you think you get to decide what is celebrated this time of year? That's very controlling.
Pagan celebrations were first and we will not be erased for a pretend birthday. If you want a holiday just for Christians, maybe pick a date that actually matters for Christians. Jesus's actual birthdate would work! But you'll never agree to that type of honesty because then you can't continue to try to erase other religions. How very sad for you!
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interesting