Parishioners in churches across the country may be getting a deportation notice in their Christmas stocking this year.
At a time normally marked by Advent candles, children’s holiday pageants, and other comforting rituals of the season, many immigrant families now face a very different kind of anticipation: the fear that worship itself may no longer be safe.
According to reports, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is planning to ramp up raids on undocumented immigrants attending church this holiday season. Churches, long considered “sensitive locations” where enforcement was rare, are reportedly now fair game.
Faith leaders say the prospect has cast a shadow over one of the holiest and most communal periods of the year, turning sanctuaries into potential sites of sudden separation and grief rather than refuge and celebration.
The Plan and Its Scope
According to sources at the news outlet This Week in Worcester, Department of Justice offices across the northeast – including Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New York – were briefed on a plan to carry out raids at churches between Thanksgiving and Christmas. They say the planned sweeps are not region-limited and will likely be nationwide.
The sources also allege that the Trump Administration is trying to recruit Hispanic pastors at Southern Baptist churches to publicly back them in an attempt to garner Latino support.
The church raids may already be underway. In Charlotte, North Carolina, federal agents, apparently under an enforcement surge dubbed “Operation Charlotte’s Web,” recently arrested dozens of undocumented immigrants. In at least one case, they made an arrest on church premises.
One pastor described masked agents arriving while his congregation members were doing yard work and children were inside the sanctuary, sending a surge of fear throughout the congregation, even amongst those here legally.
Panicked families fled into the woods and children cried as their parents were arrested in front of them.
“We thought church was safe and nothing [was] gonna happen,” said 15-year-old witness Miguel Vasquez. “But it did happen.”
Why Churches? Why Now?
Previously, ICE maintained internal policy guidance that designated churches as “sensitive locations” where immigration enforcement is limited. However, this policy was effectively rescinded in early 2025.
When that happened, some Spanish-language churches ceased in-person operations entirely and went to streaming to protect members of their flock who might be undocumented.
Critics say the new strategy seems intended to cause maximum disruption, targeting congregations attended by Spanish-speakers or with large immigrant communities.
Those opposed to the crackdown warn that ICE agents are trying to take immigrants off guard, both by going to places previously viewed as "off limits" for immigration enforcement, and by upping enforcement in the holiday window when more people are attending services.
What’s at Stake for Congregations
For immigrants who attend church services, the implications are profound. The sudden presence of ICE on church grounds disrupts the assumption that a house of worship offers some protection. For pastors and faith leaders, there’s a balancing act: supporting immigrant members, navigating relationships with law-enforcement agencies, and preserving the church’s mission of welcome and refuge.
The timing could not be more sensitive. The holiday season is when churches typically emphasize themes of sanctuary, hospitality, and community.
Church leaders say if congregants are worried that worship itself may bring risk of detention or deportation, the spiritual and communal fabric of their congregation is under strain. In effect, what should be a season of peace is warped into a season of paranoia and fear.
The unfolding reports suggest that enforcement within places of worship, once a rare occurrence, is now fully entering the federal playbook. For faith communities, especially those serving immigrant populations, this moment poses serious questions with few easy answers:
What does sanctuary mean when immigration enforcement enters the pews? How do we reconcile scriptural mandates of welcome with the fear of separation? And what happens if the church is no longer the safe haven it once was?
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Rev Ned
I wonder if ICE agent’s moms, wives and kids are are proud of what they do??
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Aaron J Wisti
When ICE Knocks on Sacred Doors — A Clergy Perspective
For the past few decades, every time the political winds shift, America dusts off the same old script: “immigration crisis,” “border surge,” “national security,” and of course, the dramatic rumor mill about raids in places most of us consider off-limits — schools, hospitals, and yes, churches. If you feel like you’ve seen this story before, it’s because you have. We’ve been rerunning variations of it since the Carter Administration.
As clergy, we don’t get the luxury of reacting like cable news hosts. We don’t get to throw gasoline on fear. Our job is to be the adults in the room — providing calm, clarity, and moral grounding while everyone else plays political dodgeball.
Let’s play Devil’s Advocate for a moment — not to defend ICE, but to understand the system.
If you dig back into the history of immigration enforcement, a few patterns jump out:
Every administration uses immigration as a political pressure valve. When the economy dips, when elections loom, or when someone needs a headline, “crackdowns” magically reappear.
Enforcement priorities shift like weather. One decade it’s workplace raids. Another, border theatrics. Another, “sanctuary jurisdiction” saber-rattling. The rhetoric changes; the machinery stays the same.
Churches are historically recognized as “sensitive locations,” not no-go zones. That’s a policy choice, not a law. Meaning it can be ignored, rewritten, or challenged at any time — and occasionally has been.
Understanding those realities isn’t betrayal. It’s being prepared. The Creator didn’t hand us brains so we could sit around hoping everyone plays nice.
So what do we, as clergy, actually do when these threats start circulating?
Simple: we respond with mercy, reason, and a spine.
- We honor the law of the land — up to the point where it stops being just.
ULC ministers aren’t anarchists. We’re not vigilantes. We follow civil law as long as it aligns with conscience and human dignity. When it doesn’t? That’s when we dust off the long American tradition of peaceful resistance.
- We offer refuge of spirit, not obstruction of justice.
A church’s first duty is care — emotional, spiritual, and humanitarian. We’re not here to hide fugitives in the attic like a low-budget spy thriller. We’re here to keep frightened families grounded, supported, and informed.
- We use every civil means available before anything escalates.
Phone calls. Lawyers. Public statements. Community pressure. Media transparency. Clergy have more influence than we think — partly because the public still expects us to act like adults when the government doesn’t.
- We defend life and property if the state crosses ethical lines.
Let’s be crystal clear: “Defend” does not mean “charge the barricades.” It means standing firmly, publicly, and non-violently against abuse of authority. It means documenting everything. It means refusing to let armed agents violate sacred space without legitimate legal cause.
This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about taking responsibility.
We can acknowledge:
immigration policy is a mess,
enforcement has been inconsistent for half a century,
and vulnerable communities pay the price every time politicians want to look “tough.”
And still hold firm to our role as caretakers of human beings — not political talking points.
Our temples, churches, sanctuaries, and gathering spaces are not battlegrounds. They’re places where people breathe, heal, and hope. If the government forgets that, we remind them. Calmly. Lawfully. Persistently. And if negotiations fail, we stand in the doorway like every generation of clergy before us and say:
“This space is sacred. These people are human. If you want to violate either, you’re going to have to answer for it.”
Because in the end, mercy is not weakness. And standing your ground is not rebellion. It’s simply doing the job.
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Angele
Aaron J Wisti, I admire your wisdom and consider your congregation most fortunate. Your profound wisdom and gentle way of making us think are truly admirable. Thank you for sharing your insights so kindly.
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
Here's the thing, they're not rounding up criminals. They're rounding up INNOCENT CIVILIANS. And, what's worse, they're ALSO rounding up US CITIZENS who just happened to have dark skin and disappearing them as well. Many families have no idea where their loved ones are since ICE "disappeared" them.
And, even more terrifying, many who are supposedly deported are now turning up DEAD.
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Peter A. Shedd
why are the churches fighting Government, why isn't the church helping the immigrant's get registered to become citizens, When you come running to another country , you must learn and live by that countries laws. I know it is not easy when lawmakers twist and turn the laws to their favor, or enforce when it is convenient to them. P
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PiratePreacher
I cannot believe how this "administration" is dealing with the immigrant community. I am reminded of how Lot saved the angels in Sodom. It wasn't destroyed due to the men wanting to have sex with the angels, Sodom did not allow in immigrants and did not want to share their wealth. That was their sin. Everyone seems to not have read the bible in it's entirety and they take Genesis 19:5 completely out of context. The mob wanted to "know them" as in who was in the house, not "know them" as in have sex with them. The entire European culture is so provincial that they think everything is about sex. Why aren't they screaming about the incest a few lines later in Genesis 19:37? Read the book y'all. FFS
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Henry Buehler
understanding of ancient sanctuary , two priest could walk a court convicted man out of court room and on to sanctuary of Church
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Elizabeth Susan Cosgrove
Yikes on bikes,peeps! Private property is still a thing in the US, ergo. You can trespass ICE from private properties. I am aware of several churches telling Trumps Porky Brown Shirts to leave their parking lots. To those congregations I say, bravo. If you are in a privately owned building, you can refuse entry to the Schutstaffel without a proper JUDICIAL warrant.
A bigger issue I have is the gestapo lurking in courthouses kidnapping the immigrants who are trying to do "immigration the right way", which seems to be the bee many have in their bonnet about immigration. If this administration is denying due process, allowing LEOs to hide their faces, maximising cruelty, and hiring the worst of the worst to fill ICE roles, I think I can safely say "the cruelty is the point."
Europeans stole this land, colonized this land and now we want to kick out Mexicans, who have a better claim to this land than we Europeans do.
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Peter A. Shedd
what happen to the separation of church and state? If there are immigrants at your church, what are you doing to assist them in getting registered and sent on the right way
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Dr. Kirk W. Olsen, P.E.
We should make traitor T read the inscription on the statue of liberty and remind him he too is the recent child of an immigrant.
But hey, logic and ethics rarely matter anymore.
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Jeffrey Brian Milward
I am shocked that so many folks on this site are anti immigrant and therefore anti bible. Jesus chased the Pharisees from the temple and so it should be with ICE. Churches are places of worship and sanctuary. All may come and be safe in the light of God’s love.
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Lionheart
We are not anti immigrant, we are anti illegal immigrant. Do you honestly not see the difference?
As for the bible, not everyone here is a follower of that book and its contents. Some would even prefer to read the Harry Potter books of fiction as an alternative.
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Rudolph Harrision Turley
I'm sorry but churches must obey law enforcement. That is what Jesus has said. That's the biggest issue with churches. Look at the Catholic Church. The priests instead of being prosecuted for child molestation, the priest confess to another priest then move to another church and nothing is done to prevent it from happening again all because the priest confess to another priest. So I don't care where the criminals are at, they have entered the country illegally. They should be punished for breaking the law. Churches shouldn't hide criminals that break the earthly laws. Church should handle with the smooth transition so the individual is taken care of and not treated harshly. Help them out with spiritual guidance. Even the apostles face persecution and they didn't hide in a building. If the apostles didn't do it then why is it ok today to do something that apostles didn't do?
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Lionheart
We still don’t know what Jesus actually said, assuming he was real, but I do agree with you that churches must obey the law of the land, which has to be enforced one way or another.
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Kevin Jon Brewer
Christ only broke rabinical law or the law of Moses. But Roman law or the law of the spirit of His Father He did not break. We are instructed to obey man's law because there is no grace in it. Little mercy. Man does not turn to God for relief from violation of man's law because God ordained man's law. So man's law must be obeyed while the law of the spirit is mercy and grace for repentance of the heart. Repentance is turning away from sin to which law breaking is one.
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High priest Shadowwolf
To start off I do not believe that law enforcement on any level should walk into a place of worship to arrest anyone. At the same time we cant just let people to go into places of worship seeking sanctuary from being arrested due to they broke laws in this Country. Now granted I do not agree with most of the laws that they have around immigration, this land was taken away from Mexico and The Native Americans, which I am Native American myself. People accuse people from other countries of coming over here and taking jobs and making it harder for people to get a job, when the truth is they are taking jobs that other people don't want or refuse to do to the amount that they are paid. If people actually went out and met these people and seen what all they do and how they provide the services they do for us "Americans" I think people would change their mind about these people. I have meet many of these people who come over here looking for a better life and when they have to break the law to get here because of the backlog that our immigration courts have its not far to these people to be treating them the way people do. Again I do not believe that any law enforcement should be going in to any place of worship to arrest someone. They should wait till the person leaves. I think the only exception is if someone killed someone or physically hurt someone but that is a slim exception.
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David Douglas Winters
Unlawful residents attending a church should not need to be told they are in a contradictory situation. They should discern that violating rightful law is flatly against all scriptural teachings. ERGO they shouldn’t feel “safe” from apprehension anywhere so long as they are fugitives from our law.
Accepted, churches rightfully may decline to investigate or enquire as to immigration status of anyone. “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” is an acceptably ethical policy. But they should not become havens of protection or sanctuary for criminals to gather.
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Joe R Day
First, allow me to express my displeasure with the forum's policy. I am not allowed to 'Sign-in' without posting a Comment. JMO, that is an attempt to cajole me into 'Boosting the comment-count' for internet Tote-Boards... Please allow folks who wish to read this forum but not want comment!
Places of worship in 2025, are NOW being used for abject and (JMO) illegal methods of terrorisms (the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims). The current (terrorist) administration has run Roughshod and unchecked over Constitutional mandates and established scotus Law over decades.
This is just the latest egregious and deplorable actions. I am aghast and saddened by the hundreds of actions by the current administration, they flaunt and flagrantly ignore established doctrine and laws set forth...
My only regret for living 71 years is, watching a potus who was elected by 1.8% of the popular vote, acting like he was elected by a 'mandate' (the authority to carry out a policy or course of action, regarded as given by the electorate to a candidate or party that is victorious in an election).
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Linda May Garber
I am not sure how I feel about invading a church, but Illegal means you broke the law and punishment is the result. That's the American way. Come here legally no problem.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
Nothing ICE does is right. They are the new Brown Shirts. 70%+ of the detainees at Alligator Alcatraz disappeared permanently with no record. The claim was that they were sent to other facilities, but no other facilities have records of them either. We all know those people are in the mud under the swamp, the whole reason that site was chosen. ICE deliberately recruits people that believe that brown people are less than human, and they don't care about immigration status. They will grab anyone that annoys them by being related to anything Hispanic, even if it's a white guy with a Mexico sticker on his car.
I'm not Christian, and I think churches are no different from any other business. This is just as gross as ICE raiding a daycare, a hospital, or any other place they know people will be gathered, just because it's ICE and their policy is to round up anyone that remotely resembles a Hispanic person and let nothing sort them out because they don't care if they're here illegally or not. If I was Christian I might hope that ICE agents would burst into flames if they stepped foot into a church.
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Jeremy Stacey Morrow
Lot of really sick anti-immigrant psychos in this comment space. All you wackos portraying immigrants as criminals are merely echoing Trump's lies, lies, and more lies. Immigrants commit way fewer crimes than US-born residents. That FACT is easy to find if you even care about the truth. I am disappointed that there are so many evil human beings in this comment space.
I AM happy with the Pope and Catholic Bishop's condemnation of the disgusting way the US is treating immigrants.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/19/pope-leo-donald-trump-immigration-policy-us https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-11/pope-leo-xiv-ukraine-migration-us-nigeria-bishop-zornoza-travels.html
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Paul Johnson
Thank you for your wonderful comment. It's a benefit to know we can pick and choose who we want to call wacko's in this land of the free and to be able to feel like we have that right. So I ask how many times did Jesus resort to calling people wacko's. But we have to remember it's okay to call Christian's wacko's as long as they are Trump supporters.
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Peter A. Shedd
lets take a look at the other side, I personally know a couple of ICE agents known them for years watched them grow up, came from good familys, joined the service, and then joined ice, Both went unmasked for a long time, know they are known, Now one of the wives is stalked every time she leaves the house, frequent protester outside their homes,Their children harrassed at school and school functions =, one recently dropped out of the schools basketball team. They can not relay on any Police assistance because our Governor has banned assisting any federal Law enforcement agencys. This is the way we treat loyal hard working american citizens.
Think about It!, about the same way we treated our vetrans as they returned from Vietnam.
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Paul Johnson
one of the problems I see today would be most of us if not all don't really believe the word just parts of it. Therefore we are not afraid are a shame to say, are do some of the things that we post. There's not much if any signs that we are improving. The main thing if we will stay focused on Christ and pray maybe things will change.
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Steven Alan Corben
People should not respond to unfounded and silly rumors. It is the rumors that cause the fear. The Universal Life Church Monastery should not be promoting such mean rumors.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Are you talking about the article or the responses to it? If the article, if you have evidence that this is not the case, please provide it. I am seeing reports that churches are now fair game for ICE.
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James Dutton
A lot of obvious politics in the comments, and while I agree that criminals should be dealt with according to the law, I don't agree that legal citizens should be assaulted, detained, and put through the ICE process just for being brown or in the way. Many in the comment section watch this like one would watch a WWE event and look at ICE like their favorite wrestler. Wait until it happens to you and yours.
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Lion on the Beach
Illegals should understand that being in this country is a privilege. It is not a right as some on this site lament. Being in public illegals are afforded zero protection from apprehension. For these individuals on this site who constantly support and verbally protect the illegal rapists, pedophiles, murderers, drug and human traffickers, arsonists, Multiple DUI recipients, refusers to show up to court appearances, strong arm assault commits, gang members, commercial and residential thieves, and on and on. I would enjoy seeing you shelter and take into your domicile these individuals. The time they will spend with your children, grandchildren and vulnerable family members not to mention the way they will respect you and your property will not be what you envisioned. These are vile, foul, feral animals who have proven they do not respect Americas laws or this society. Then again, by you supporting them also proves your lack of respect and comprehension for a law-abiding society.
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Michael Hunt
Well, only 5% of ICE detainees have violent convictions and 73% have not been convicted of any crime. Nearly half of detainees have no criminal charges or convictions and would only be subject to civil immigration charges.
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-detainee-data-fastest-growing-without-criminal-records-trump/
Calling undocumented immigrants "vile, foul, feral animals" is disgusting. It's dehumanizing language meant to demean and belittle a group you do not identify with so that you can justify the violence they're being submitted to.
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Angele
Amazing how that important detail is so expertly buried— pervasive hypocrisy in action.
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High priest Shadowwolf
Lion on the Beach,
You do understand that you just described a lot of Americas not Illegals. So are you also suggesting that they should be shipped out of the United States. You do understand that the U.S. has 25% of the world prison population and we have less then 5% of the worlds population. and of Americans 8.1% have a felony. So let me ask you have you ever been to prison or ever sat down and talked to someone that has been to prison? Let me help you, I served 15 years and 2 Months in prison and one of my supervisors in there told another staff member that he would rather have a prisoner live next to him and his family then the other staff at the prison. You look down on those that you don't understand and don't want to understand. I believe that everyone should be treated with the same respect that we wish for ourselves. Now Im not saying at all that you forget what they have done in the past and there are some that yes should never be released. But they are Humans just like the rest of us. I am sure that you have broken the law in your life wether you have been caught or not. A felony is a felony doesn't matter what it was. If we only judge people by their past then who can judge anyone else.
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Angele
From blogTO.com. Anger brewing after ICE orders over $10M of armoured vehicles from Ontario company U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) placed a multimillion-dollar rush order for 20 Canadian-made armoured vehicles, according to federal procurements records from November.
The agency is spending roughly USD$7.3 million (or about $10 million CAD) on a fleet of Senator Emergency Response Tactical Vehicles manufactured by Roshel, a defence manufacturer headquartered in Brampton. The vehicles are built to withstand bomb blasts and stop .50-calibre rounds.
The procurement, which was first reported by U.K.-based newspaper The Independent, was published on a U.S. federal contracting website on Nov. 26, with the contract formally awarded two days later. ICE made the purchase through a sole-source arrangement, arguing that the Canadian company was the only supplier capable of meeting its delivery schedule and technical specifications.
The same type of vehicles ordered by ICE have also been used by Ukraine in its defence against Russian aggression.
"Roshel is uniquely positioned to fulfill this requirement within the necessary timeframe, having confirmed immediate availability of vehicles that fully meet ICE's specifications," the agency's documents read.
"While other sources were consulted, they had limited quantities available or none could fulfill the entire requirement within the required period of performance, nor meet all technical requirements."
ICE contacted four U.S.-based manufacturers, namely Alpine Armoring, CITE Armored, DGM LLC, and Lenco Armored Vehicles, but says none could match Roshel's capacity or timeline. Alipine reportedly could only supply 15 vehicles, CITE estimated a six-month timeline, DGM offered no schedule despite being capable of delivering 20 vehicles, and Lenco had just three used vehicles available in 30 to 60 days. On the other hand, Roshel said it was about to deliver the 20 vehicles in just 30 days.
The acquisition covers 20 armoured tactical vehicles at a total estimated cost of US$7,331,200, with each featuring military-grade tires, escape hatches, and space for up to 12 occupants. The vehicles also have options for video surveillance, chemical protection systems, and night vision.
ICE has long faced intense scrutiny for its harsh enforcement tactics and treatment of detainees, with critics accusing the agency of human rights abuses and aggressive operations. Under Trump's administration, ICE's mandate has significantly expanded to pursue the mass removal of undocumented immigrants in the country.
Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act (Big Beautiful Bill), which was signed into law in July 2025, would further expand the capabilities of the federal agency, whose annual budget sat at $10 billion. Under the bill, ICE would receive tens of billions of dollars in supplemental funding through 2029, including $45 billion for detention-capacity expansions.
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Patricia Ann Gross
I wonder, are these vehicles exempt from the tarriffs imposed on Canada? (my "funny" for the day).
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Lionheart
Do you by any chance have any water canons to sell us? They were always great pieces of equipment to have to chill out unruly mobs, especially in winter time. 🤭
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Steven Ferrell
Don’t go inside the church building, but once outside the door, the ILLEGALS are fair game to round up.
What I find interesting is that most everyone I know or read about defending ILLEGALS, all live in lilly white communities away from the ILLEGALS.
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Paul Johnson
If it is okay to hide illegals in the building called church then I guess it's okay for any criminal to hide in the church and expect it to protect them. Okay we got it.
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Dorothy Hawkins
If ever there was a time to erect a wall, it's now. The wall isn't in any geographical border area. The wall - sturdy, strong and enduring - needs to be erected between CHURCH & STATE.
If religious people want their rights as stated in the Constitution, I guess they'lll still have to FIGHT for them, even though our founding document clearly states that the government shall NOT INFRINGE upon the right to religious freedom. ICE agents arresting participants in a religious ceremony is CLEARLY AGAINST THE LAW. Somebody needs to tell the President!
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Cullen Graeff Phillips
Round up the illegals. Send them back to their county of origin by transporting them to the mexican border and drop them across the border. ICE can come to any church or any place and take them. As for the able bodied men who come here to escape violence in their home country, we need to train them, send them across the border, let them march back to their home country and fight for reforms and their freedom. We fought for our own freedom. They need to fight for theirs.
As for all the people telling the rest of us to care for those in need, take them into your house first. Feed them at your table. Stop expecting the government or the church to do it. If you truly want change, start with yourself. I am sick of all the WWJD people calling for change when they themselves won't do it. You can't just throw money at it. Show us! Sick of all the lip service.-
Steven Ferrell
Agree 100%
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John T. Watson
Raids in churches should not be permitted. I ascribe to the rule that churches are sanctuaries the same as they were in the Middle Ages. Authorities can and must wait until anyone here in the country illegally is outside of the church property.
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Randall Lee Grimes
No, it shouldn't be allowed. There are so many other places which this can be done.
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Ellis Collom
What about Jesus and the money lenders in the temple?
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Patricia Ann Gross
Are you equating ICE agents hiding their identity and appearance (and looking like a common thug) to Jesus? That's really twisted.
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Ellis Collom
If you are guilty of a crime you are not safe anywhere. You are responsible for any repercussions not enforcement. Even church should not be off limits to enforcement.
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Nise
Yes it's absolutely ok, everyone seems to forget- they're illegal, they are therefore criminals. Same concept if someone breaks into your home, refuses to leave, eats your food, uses your healthcare, demands protection, etc. There Country of origin have tough immigration laws, Americans would be considered criminals in that country. God tells us we can be forgiven, yet we still have consequences.
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Rev. B.D. Rees
The point to all of this is very apparent, at least to me. "THE CHURCH, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OR DENOMINATION, IS SACRED TO IT'S PEOPLE". Therefore, it is "Holy Ground" to their particular belief and is and always will be, Sanctuary for those who are marginalized and downtrodden. The next question is; Are the authorities allowed to enter and raid these properties? NOT WITHOUT A LEGALLY SIGNED WARRANT! ICE is nothing more than the President's "GOON SQUAD", and has not been operating within the LEGAL boundries of American jurisprudence... Kristi Noem, Kash Patel, and the others are compared to the Nazi higher ups, and to be honest, RIGHTLY SO... They are the ones directing this comedy of errors, and when this is all said and done, should be Prosecuted for atrocities towards the immigrants, along with Trump!! Christ would have been and I am sure is, appauled and disgusted by their actions toward his people.
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Mrknowitall
Go to church...Get Deported...Brilliant !!!
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Lionheart
Yep! If you are in that country of origin illegally of where the church is, there is a good chance you will be detained and deported.
All hail law and order. Brilliant!
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Thomas J Kasprik
Keep your church , keep your Christianity but keep it the hell out of government
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Jim Graham III
Yes religion is not a defense to break the law or to be protected from the laws as far as ICE goes sorry you are here illegally please exit and enter legally or stay out of our country Enter illegally and I have a problem with that ! Enter legally and I have no problem with that !
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Father Frederick
What part of illegal do people not understand. Or are we to believe we can pick and choose which laws we can ignore and enforce. I understand compassion. I understand guilt. But once you are comfortable with choosing which laws obey and don't obey, then it's understandable that church laws, doctrine, and even the Bible can be cherry picked to match what an individual prefers. Where is the line drawn?
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Patricia Ann Gross
Fr. Frederick,
It's not the ones that come here under deception I care about. It is the half million who came here with a hope of refuge, and were following the process under temporary protective status that I care about, because they were lied to by our government that they would be protected from deportation until their case had been fully adjudicated. This administration, with the stroke of a pen made half a million people, here legally suddenly an "undocumented person" eligible for immediate deportation, which is being carried out without any formal process. If they have convictions in their background and that causes their assylum claim to be denied and a formal removal order, then I'm perfectly ok with that, but to arbitrarily make a half a million people here working, paying taxes and raising their children suddenly "illegal" is not acceptable, nor is it what America stands for.
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Mitch
To anyone upset that they're targeting churches instead of just Lowe's parking lots, college campuses, farms, and anywhere else:
Go read "First they came" by pastor Martin Niemöller
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Reverend Paula Copp
May ICE agents get back 10x what they dish out, down unto the 12th generation..
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Paul Johnson
Churches should not be hiding criminals no different than what the catholic church did during world war II.
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Michael Hunt
What about the churches who hid Jews during World War II?
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Angele
How is it that we acknowledge the wrongs done to Jews and celebrate Schindler / Ann Frank…, yet remain blind to the fact that we're heading toward similar dehumanization of people today?
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Angele
When told America isn’t racist or corrupt, remind them how it tolerates treason, rape, and child abuse by a white leader, yet denies healthcare from a black leader.
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Lionheart
It’s weird, isn’t it, how finding, detaining, and holding people accountable for their actions of entering this country illegally is seen as dehumanization? They have the free choice of going back home under their own steam, or being found out where they are located, detained, and returned to where they came from.
There is nothing dehumanizing giving them the right to freely return to where they came from, unhindered. That choice is theirs. If they elect the opposite choice of being located and detained, the consequences of that decision remains with them.
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Michael Hunt
Well first of all, many did not enter illegally, but that's not the important part here. It's not the detention and deportation that is dehumanizing, it's the methods they are using to go after those perceived to be here illegally, the awful conditions at the detention centers, deporting them to third countries (not their country of origin) and the lack of access to legal representation and due process that is dehumanizing.
Also, the process of returning to your home country isn't always easy or possible for some people. It's not cheap to move, let alone move to a different country. You should be able to understand that.
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Lionheart
Most did enter illegally, and that choice was there’s knowing that they ran the risk of being found out one day, and that day is just around the corner, so if I was them I’d make a hasty voluntary exit as soon as I could so that I have the option of possibly returning one day legally.
Did you complain when Obama placed many of his in cages? He holds the record of deporting 3.1 million illegal aliens. He became known as the “Deporter in Chief”. If you honestly think all those had what you like to think is “Due Process” you are sadly mistaken. We’d still be here today processing them through the courts.
Life is all about choice, and many have chosen to run the risk of hiding out, and putting up a struggle when they are found, not helped by local citizens with their unlawful assembly when ICE arrive that totally exacerbates the situation. Those that lay their hands on Federal agents, or try to prevent their movement get arrested, and rightly so. The left leaning media love those situations making hay while the sun shines for their left leaning rhetoric to rile up their listeners or readers.
Bottom line: Volunteer to go back, and don’t risk being detained by ICE so that you can leave peacefully and have that possibility of returning legally.
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Michael Hunt
Yes, I did complain, as did many others on the left, about the fast-track proceedings that lead to so many immigrants not receiving their proper day in court.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
Obama's administration did build the detention center cages but did not make it policy to separate children from their parents like the Trump administration did, so it's dishonest to say that these actions are equivalent. Still, people on the left, including me, rebuked the family detentions.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3
https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/president-obama-wants-continue-imprisoning-immigrant-families
Finally, it is true that the majority of undocumented immigrants enter through legal means and then overstay their visas. While we don't have a proper means of tracking this, estimates put visa overstays as making up 57% of undocumented immigrants.
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47848
Undocumented immigrants also overwhelmingly prefer to live and work lawfully in the US but current immigration laws make it impossible for some to gain legal immigrant status. We need immigration reform, not restriction.
https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/immigration/whydonttheycomeherelegally
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Lionheart
If you get pulled over for a DUI, and you have your family in the vehicle with you, you will be separated from them while you are detained. Eventually, you become repatriated, but you will still pay the price for the DUI. It’s the same with being detained when you’re found to be an illegal immigrant, having broken the law. There is usually an initial separation, just like in the DUI situation. If you are an illegal immigrant, you will be repatriated with your family and they can go with you when you are deported, if it’s their choice. All this might sound cruel to you, but the responsibility was with the parents in the first place when they illegally came here. That was the choice and the risk they ran.
Those who overstay their visas run the risk of not having them renewed. The requirements of keeping visas up-to-date is their responsibility, and is clearly explained to them when they receive them. Obviously, never leave it to the last minute.
My own daughter that has a green card has just realized that she has never updated her new location having moved house recently. The requirement is to report your new location within 10 days of moving. After I reminded her of this requirement, she quickly went online and updated her location. Neither of my two daughters have had issues with scheduling any necessary updates with their green card renewals. Possibly visa holders may be different, but I don’t understand why they should be.
I agree that possibly immigration reform is needed, and has possibly been needed for decades, and not just with this administration, but until then, the current laws have to be complied with by everyone, or risk having a visit from ICE who have a job to do, whether people like it or not.
Thanks for your comments.
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Patricia Ann Gross
LH,
You almost got everything right. Your comparison to an overstay of a visa to a DUI is flawed. Overstay of a visa is a civil action, while in most states a DUI is a criminal offense, and depending on the circumstances (accident involved, children in the car, fatality, speeding, reckless endangerment, etc.) it can be a felony. Your daughter probably had to pay a fine for the time she was an illegal immigrant, unless she squeezed in and updated her information under the wire.
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Lionheart
You almost got everything right, my friend. 🤭 There was no fine involved. 🤗
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart, you sound like a doomsday Armageddon preacher with a megaphone set to maximum drama! Dazzle me!
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Paul Johnson
The Vatican sheltered a group of Jews from Hitler. Is there anything wrong with that?
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Angele
Honestly, Paul, you don’t get that Trump is breaking the law, and that’s messing with your view of what’s legal and what’s not.
For example, going after people just because of their skin color, not because they’ve done anything wrong.
Disappearing people without any trial is really worrying.
I might not agree with illegal immigration, but everyone should be treated with respect—citizens are grouped in by ICE because of skin colour, folks who aren’t criminals, are being hunted like animals. Dogs go to the shelter, but we don’t know what happened to the families of those who disappeared.
The country, the world, is in trouble because of this illegal stuff happening because people are cheering it on.
Imagine if you, Paul, instead of being white, were Native American and continue to be traumatized by those who moved here only a few generations ago—since you’re the real native.
Native communities and advocates say that federal agents mistake Indigenous people for undocumented Latino immigrants, especially in border states like Arizona and New Mexico.
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ServantOfJudgement
For the youthful, naive, bleeding hearted and basically blind that think churches are some magical sanctuary(there's tons more):
Buxton, Maine – Meth Lab in a Church
Baton Rouge, Louisiana – Selling Fentanyl and Heroin from a Church
Connecticut – Pastor Selling Crystal Meth
Church of Naturalism – Front for Cocaine Trafficking
Mega-Church Pastor, John Lee Bishop Acting as Drug Runner
Let God deal with the lawlessness in churches as he sees fit.
Half of you have been screaming to wipe out christians and now that they're raiding Christian churches you complain?
Hmmm, sounds like some people aren't happy unless they're mad.
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Paul Johnson
My response may have seemed ignorant to those who do not understand the law.
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Angele
Donald Trump has faced numerous accusations and legal challenges regarding actions that legal experts and scholars argue violate or test the limits of the U.S. Constitution and federal law. These claims often center on the separation of powers and the scope of executive authority. Specific areas of concern frequently cited by legal experts include: Usurpation of Congressional Spending Power: Critics argue Trump has sought to "impound" or freeze congressionally authorized federal funds, which the Constitution delegates to Congress (the "power of the purse"), not the President. He has also attempted to impose conditions on federal grants to states and private entities that were not authorized by Congress. Defiance of Court Orders and Judicial Authority: There have been instances where the Trump administration has been accused of slow-walking, ignoring, or intentionally defying specific court orders related to issues like immigration enforcement and funding freezes. Trump's public criticism of judges and calls for their impeachment have also drawn rebukes from judicial leaders, raising questions about his adherence to the judiciary's role as a co-equal branch of government. Immigration Actions and the "Invasion" Claim: Executive orders related to immigration, such as declaring an "invasion" at the border to justify broad actions or attempting to end birthright citizenship (guaranteed by the 14th Amendment), have been challenged as exceeding presidential authority and conflicting with constitutional provisions. Federal courts have, in some cases, blocked these orders. Tariff Powers: The use of broad executive power to impose tariffs has been challenged in court as an overreach of the President's authority over international commerce, which is primarily a legislative power granted to Congress. Infringement on First Amendment Rights: Legal experts have raised concerns that actions targeting protesters, specific news outlets, and political adversaries may violate First Amendment rights to free speech and a free press. Withdrawal from Treaties/Alliances: A provision in the National Defense Authorization Act aims to prevent a president from withdrawing from NATO without Senate approval, based on concerns Trump might attempt to do so unilaterally, which would challenge the balance of power regarding international agreements
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Angele
Paul, the fact that Trump is violating the law might be something you haven't fully grasped, and it’s influencing your view of what’s permissible and what isn’t.
Such actions by a sitting U.S. president, breaking the law to satisfy his agenda and bolster his dictator allies, underscore a troubling threat to global peace and stability.
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Paul Johnson
This is just your perception and it proves that there is still some animosity in your thinking about me and my supporting a sitting president.
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Angele
My negative feelings aren’t directed at you, Paul, but at Trump for his comments about Canada and for destroying the relationship between our nations. It’s heartbreaking to see the shift toward rivalry and greed instead of collaboration. Elon Musk’s view that empathy is a weakness amplifies my apprehension, as the United States seems to be becoming a hateful neighbor, spreading that toxicity worldwide. The country I once knew has changed irreparably, and I have no plans to return thanks to your sitting president.
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Henry Buehler
riparian rights , Those who live on bank of river do not have the right to block , divert, it's flow
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James Riggle-Johnson
I thought churches were considered sanctuaries, and the police can’t enter even if they’ve offered sanctuary to a criminal?
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ServantOfJudgement
I'm concerned that the illegal radical islamists aren't getting looked at, why aren't mosques getting a run through? ICE needs to pick up the slack and get them gone pronto before they pull off killing our kids.
I'm happy the terror plot to kill our kids on Halloween was fouled but those crazy islamists never stop. They'll even kill themselves to kill our kids. Dearborn MI is starting to boil with crazy.
Hit the mosques too! For the children.
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Patricia Ann Gross
I am concerned that you are mortified that one of the hundreds of school shootings hasn't been carried out by "illegal radical Islamists." Would that then give us the right to terrorize every mosque in the country? Who's to say that mosque's aren't also targets for ICE. I suspect synagogues are too. Nothing is sacred to them. This posting only mentions Christian churches because of the community outreach a lot of them do.
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Henry Buehler
riparian rights were recognized until chicago reversed river sanctuary of the church was law
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Stacey Owens
We're living in the time of judgment. Immigrates escape one judgment finding themselves in another. Immigrates came to live in the land of the free, the home of the brave. Yet we call them illegals. How can we call them criminals when God created them to be living being?
This world supports condemning them and breaking up families calling it justice. This is called self righteousness or the bowl of Judgment poured out.
The spirit of truth says, endure it until it's all over. No man is going to be able to fix the condition of this world because in the spirit of truth those who are faithful will overcome as Christ's. Amen
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Amber M. Castleman
A Church is a Sanctuary for all who seek it, it is a place of safety a place of relief with trust of protection NO ICE or GOVERNMENT AGENT should be raiding there. Church is also a place for prayer, meditation and cleansing of the souls for those who attend there I am strongly standing against what is going on in my congregation here in Illinois. In Des Plaines, IL we have them waiting for our Public City Tree Lighting Event so they can grab who they want when they want how they want this is a time for family gatherings and enjoying a fun event that is meant to be stress free and fear free event to the general public. I was detained by ICE Agents at O' Hare Airport just because my ID didn't match my birth certificate my ID carries my married name was told if I want to avoid deportation I have to carry marriage license and certificate with me I am now facing a Government Lawsuit. A Church should be forbidden to all ICE AGENTS!
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Rev. BH
ICE thugs seem to love smashing car windows, beating down non-whites, separating families, raiding schools, leaping from helicopters with flashbang grenades -- and once in awhile finding an actual criminal illegal immigrant, while real cops fight real crime, which is not being committed by immigrants who are afraid to leave their homes.
Fearful, hateful, racist White "Christians", dishonor His name.
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ServantOfJudgement
I didn't catch you were a Bible believing person before rev BH.
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Rev. BH
Correct.. But I believe Jesus did exist, myths notwithstanding.
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Paul Johnson
Who is RACIST read what you just put out and I guess that is LOVE!!
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Paul Johnson
That is a building used for a sanctuary to not honor the laws of the land. And you want to be called christian.
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Angele
Are you referring to the 'law of the land' or the breaking of laws promoted by MAGA, given that dear leader has characterized immigrants seeking refuge in America as eating dogs and cats, effectively dehumanizing them and portraying them as enemies who consume other people's pets. Hence people are to be hunted down, according to the colour of the skin, and denied their constitutional rights?
The “law of the land” isn’t about ICE disappearing brown people without a fair trial Paul.
The right to a fair trial is a fundamental human right, recognized in key international documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).
It is considered essential for the rule of law and protects individuals from abuses of power throughout the legal process, from arrest to punishment. Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Article 10 of the UDHR states that everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal.
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: Article 14 of the ICCPR further details and elaborates on this right, including the presumption of innocence until proven guilty and the right to have a conviction and sentence reviewed by a higher tribunal.
Global Importance: The right to a fair trial is a cornerstone of the international human rights system and is included in many international and regional treaties.
Purpose: It safeguards against the potential for ICE abuse and is crucial for the proper administration of justice.
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Paul Johnson
Let's focus on Trump and MAGA not the issue!!
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Angele
This month of November 2025 Pope Leo said the statement is “very important” and urged Catholics to take heed.
Pope Leo calls for ‘deep reflection’ about treatment of detained migrants in US.
“I think we have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity that they have,” he told reporters as he left the papal residence in Castel Gandolfo, a hilltop town south of Rome, on Tuesday.
“If people are in the United States illegally, there are ways to treat that. There are courts; there’s a system of justice.”
Leo acknowledged that “every country has a right to determine who and how and when people enter”.
“But when people are living good lives, and many of them for 10, 15, 20 years, to treat them in a way that is extremely disrespectful, to say the least – and there’s been some violence, unfortunately – I think that the bishops have been very clear in what they said,” he added.
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Paul Johnson
People need to first understand that there is a right way and then there is a wrong way. Tkhere is no need in complaining after you have broke the law. The gate was open for those who would have liked to come legally. But now that we had an adminstration just prior to this one who could of cared less about right are wrong and you want this president to have compassion when he has people on the street killing people, raping and abusing people for no reason at all other than they want to be in charge and ignore the laws. Where was the out cry when no one could have cared less while our governors and city mayors were encouraging people to stay by giving them a place to live, feeding them, giving them phones, medical etc. That's who should be placed in jail along with these pastors who want to circumvent the law.
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Angele
Those who broke the law you say!
Donald Trump broke the law to become your 1st convicted felon president.
On May 30, 2024, a New York jury found him guilty on 34 felony counts.
A jury verdict in May 2023 found Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming Carroll, and ordered him to pay US$5 million in damages. Then there are the…. Georgia election interference case Federal documents case Federal election interference case
The height of hypocrisy is masked Gestapo agents brutally disappearing scapegoats who have no chance for their day in court, unlike the proven felon Trump.
You talk about law-breaking as if scapegoats are guilty, but Donald Trump’s recent convictions for serious crimes prove he is the real criminal, the first of his kind.
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Lionheart
So by your flawed logic then, we can all break the law and hope to get away with it? Yayyyyy!
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Angele
No Lionheart. Just Donald Trump can get away with it.
America needs to learn from Canada because Canada handles immigration responsibly, maintaining security without compromising human rights.
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Lionheart
That’s so reassuring to know. I love how Canada will refuse to accept any illegal immigrants heading from USA to Canada and will immediately turn them back. I wish Biden had closed our borders and done that. We’ve been left with a huge mess to clean up. I guess Biden didn’t want the responsibility of turning them back, plus he needed more illegal voters with seeing his voter base crumbling. 🤭
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/03/12/for-11-million-undocumented-us-immigrants-canada-will-be-no-refuge/
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Paul Johnson
If you call that and honest trial then I could agree with whoever. However if you have any common sense and decency you and anyone else who has a hate spirit controlling them( most need to have that demonic spirit cast out and start serving the Lord with repentance. As Jesus asked which one you who is without sin cast the first stone. I believe that the majority of people don’t believe that there is a God and a big portion of them that profess to be believers don’t and want honor God. The hate and bitterness that is guiding them they can’t and want forgive. So bold!!
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Angele
If I am a believer you say.
If you claim to be a believer, it's hard to ignore how your beliefs open the door for hatred, as shown by your ignorant response to Jimmy Moon’s petty post celebrating ICE.
Dogma—is the perfect gateway for hate to enter as evidenced by your reply above to Jimmy Moon’s schadenfreude post of “get em boy, get em. ICE. ICE. BABY. “
Spirituality is determined by the quality of your love and not by the content of your belief. Where the dogma one believes has them responding to “get em boy, get em. ICE. ICE. BABY. “ with your joyous reply of “YES. YES. YES. “ there is no spirituality because spirituality is measured by love, not dogma.
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Angele
Hey Paul Johnson, unlike those ICE goes after your hero Trump got many trials. So you say all of Trump’s trials were not honest while it’s okay to disappear other human beings without a trial? That doesn’t even make sense.
And tell me this, why is it that here in Canada our immigrants don’t commit the crimes MAGA scapegoats are accused of?
The Hitler era created the Jewish problem and its déjà vu thanks to MAGA.
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Lionheart
It’s nice to know Canada has similar requirements to USA when it comes to removing illegal immigrants to Make Canada Great Again (MCGA). 🤭
https://kingwellimmigrationlaw.com/what-is-the-penalty-for-illegal-immigrants-in-canada/
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Angele
My country handles immigration responsibly, maintaining security without compromising human rights.
You did the crime, you pay the fine and are sent home.
Canada does it without skin colour profiling, without the ninja-style masked agents drama or the secret lairs like Terrorism Confinement or Alligator Alcatraz popping up.
CANADA HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT
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Lionheart
Yes it’s nice to know Canada won’t need to look for those of a particular race when they show up attempting to illegally cross the border. 🤭
We have a similar philosophy for those that do the crime, but there’s no fine involved like there is in Canada, but like Canada, they do get sent home, to the disappointment of Democrats.
At least I think we seem to have done away with the Cages that Obama established.
Like Canada, USA was once great, but we’ll get back there eventually……hopefully. 🤗
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The people came here on a hope of refugee status, a process that can take a couple of years to fully vet the individual. While waiting, they were given a status of TPS (Temporary protected Status) until their case was complete. Trump came in and wiped out the status with the swipe of a pen on an Executive Order, making nearly half a million potential refugees trying to escape horrific conditions in their home country, immediately "undocumented" and "illegal." Then ICE started hanging out at the facilities and courts where their refugee cases were scheduled and being heard, and arrested them as they came and left, often while their cases were still pending and there was no removal order. Now they are taking away a sacred sanctuary and traumatizing those there to worship, not just the ones being arrested. What would you think if a group of masked hoodlums came into your sanctuary during services with assault weapons and tear gas (which affects everyone there), just to pick up one or two whose skin was a little too dark and their accent a little too strong? If you are sitting in your pew and cheering them on, you have no soul left to save.
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Paul Johnson
They came but there is a right way and then there is the wrong way. Get a Grip Stop trying to convience people it's okay to break the law.
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Angele
Paul, buddy, there’s a proper and an improper way to handle illegal immigrants. The proper way is drama-free and respects human rights, while the improper way involves treating people worse than pets—dogs get shelters, humans get disappeared into Alligator Alcatraz or worse. And somehow, in the good ol’ U.S. of A., folks are cheering for turning humans into sub-humans. That’s scary wrong because it’s how the Nazi movement started.
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Patricia Ann Gross
When they came here, that WAS the RIGHT way.
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Paul Johnson
The minister who harbors and hides illegals needs to be sent along with the illegals back to their country of orgin
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Michael Hunt
You could replace "illegals" with "Jews" and we'd be right back in the 1940's!
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Rev. BH
Paul, the president who cuts programs for the poor, cuts life-saving medical research, snuggles up to disgusting pal Jeffrey Epstein, tells Zelensky to surrender half his country to Putin, nominates avowed Nazi sympathizer Paul Ingrassia to a government position, and welcomes the murderous Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman into his tacky gold adorned White House (what's left of it) -- where should we send him?
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Lori-Ann Neeb
Non weaponized Christianity is all about caring for and helping others. Those ministers are following a true spiritual path of Love God , Do good deeds, Go Home(heaven - when your time comes) The most ironic part is that as much as you hate, judge and condemn, when you fall on hard times(such as needing food because the ass in the white House had no problem making people go hungry just to win a pissing match with democrats, you'd be first in line at a church food bank knowing they would help you .
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Angele
Thinking of following the next Nazi playbook?
Well, during WWII, assisting Jews was pretty much a ticket to the danger zone—particularly in Eastern Europe, where the death penalty was the ultimate ‘thank you’ for kindness. Does cruelty make Americans great?
If America handled illegals the way Canada does nobody would be sneaking into churches for sanctuary.
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Paul Johnson
YES, YES, YES
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Pamela Kay Waters
About time. They harbor these illegals keep asking for money go to other countries to help the sick while we have this happening right here. They bring over foreigners to this country and pay for their life and get them help.
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Angele
Then Jesus said onto the sick,“ you better have insurance” Then Jesus said unto the stranger, “are you here legally?” Then Jesus said onto the hungry, “my Taxes better not be paying for these loaves and fishes.” Then Jesus said unto the poor, “this is your own fault.”
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Mitch
There's a clear difference between the Jesus of the Bible and the buff white American Jesus that's for sale on hats, T-shirts, and bumper stickers. 😂
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Paul Johnson
Did he really say this are, are you MOCKING GOD'S WORD?
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Angele
Oh sure, your hatred totally outshines God's love, doesn't it?
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Lionheart
Are you referring to that brutal misogynistic, genocidal, and infanticidal god in that old book that likes to pretend he’s a god of love. 🤭
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Angele
Nope, one doesn’t need to be a bible thumper to know God’s love Lionheart.
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Lionheart
Awe…thank you. When I see the real God, if there is one, I’m going to buy him a drink. I’m guessing he has an affinity for a fruity aged red wine, but I’ll see if I can get him interested in an “Old Fashioned” cocktail and toast His good health. 🤗
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart,
Cue the soundtrack of déjà vu—still spinning that broken record, huh?
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Lionheart
Haha, yes, just like those who putting on the old “Gods word” and “God is love” record that I keep having to replying to. 🤭
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart—once upon a time, you were roaring right alongside us!
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Lionheart
Yes, and then I woke up! 🤭
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Or you fell asleep
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Lionheart
Nope! I definitely woke up when I realized that we now have the science that shows genetically where we all came from, and it definitely was not from Adam and Eve.
I am sure that the Adam and Eve type of logic might have sounded extreme plausible hundreds of years ago, and I can see why people became attracted to it, but we now have more intellect and knowledge than we did back then. I’m so sorry if you still believe in those type of fairy tales.
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart,
How do you define the origin of life and the emergence of self-awareness and self-determination? Science has yet to fully explain these phenomena.
Furthermore, if the Earth is spherical (which I do not dispute), why does it appear flat to us? Why can we observe great distances with binoculars without perceiving the curvature? How does the law of gravity account for people not falling into space despite the Earth's rotation?
Additionally, why does water maintain a level surface if the oceans cover the entire globe?
I am not a flat-earther, but I also believe that space and time, as we currently understand them, cannot explain everything. This reflects the fine line between knowledge and wisdom.
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Lionheart
I’m assuming you are having fun with your comments about the Earth not looking spherical through binoculars. The Earth is actually an oblate spheroid.
As an aerospace design engineer, I am also not sure whether you are just being humorous about gravity. Are you aware that everything that has mass has gravity? For instance, if there were two small objects traveling at the same speed in space next to each other, but 12 inches apart from each other, they would slowly be drawn together due to the gravity that each one possesses. All this is basic 101 science. Isaac Newton understood the laws of gravity.
Mankind is always in a state of flux when it comes to learning and understanding the nature of things. We still don’t know everything, and possibly never will, but we certainly know a lot more than those people a few thousand years ago that didn’t know where the sun went at night, or even knew what the sun was. There was even a school of thought by religionists that the Earth was the center of the universe until Galileo came along, and was eventually incarcerated for the rest of his life for going against the thoughts and beliefs of religionists at that time who thought they knew better because of what was written in the Bible. 🤷
Now we have the science of genetics of where DNA has proved how animals and plant life have evolved. This of course goes against the biblical stories of Adam and Eve, which is very similar to how people would not believe Galileo’s mathematics back in the day.
Intelligence, knowledge, and intellect just doesn’t go down well with some people. 🤭
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart, you’ve got the infamous 666 stamp—looks like only a divine hotline and some serious prayer power can clear this cosmic mix-up!
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Lionheart
The last time I looked, talking to an imaginary friend had as much success as crossing ones fingers, but thank you for your well meaning thoughts my friend. 🤗
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Pastor George Day
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Paul Johnson
I'm in line with how many illegal people will get into heaven. You need to do it right and quit asking What Would Jesus Do. He's already done his part it's time for us to do our part. Trust in Him and confess Him believe in Him realize He did it all. Either you understand that you are saved by grace are your as lost as a goose in a snow storm. Quit trying to figure out some other way than the RIGHT WAY to do things.
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Angele
America is heaven?
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ServantOfJudgement
For many Angele, yes. Compared to any other nation , it's the best one I've ever set foot on.
You're not sneaking into Jesus' heaven, yave got to go through the door or you don't go through. That's what Jesus Would Do, it's what he said he will do.
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Lionheart
Agreed, for instance, the blue sanctuary state of California is definitely not heaven, it’s Hell on earth in many areas of the state. Let’s hope Gavin Newsom never gets to become President if his California legacy is anything to go by.
Make California Great Again. 🤭
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Colleen McAllister
Raiding churches sounds like something Hitler would do. And did. This is not the USA that I know.
A president who says that members of Congress should be executed because they disagree with him? Not my USA.
Wake up America and stop the hate.
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Angele
At every turn, Trump and his enablers have defied the odds, outmaneuvered the opposition, and deepened the crisis. The truth is stark: There’s no one coming to put out the fire.
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ServantOfJudgement
You do know Angele, when things happen in the way you describe, it's usually a sign that God's involved.
You're right about how impossible both of Trump's victories were. The near miss with the assassination, immune to the global media smear campaign funded by billionaires. Fake collusion with russia by US politicians with the deep state and yet he was elected after all that.
If God wants it, it will happen and it won't happen without his permission.
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Sally Jeanne Altobello
I don't agree with you at all, Servant of Judgement. It seems you have forgotten that God gave us free will and what Trump and his minions are doing are choices...as are the choices of the rest of the powers that be to bend to his will and forget where they left their backbones. Churches/synagogues/temples/mosques/etc. are sacred places, places where people are to be safe and loved and cared for. God isn't telling people to become assassins, or collude with our country's enemies; it's all about choice.
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Joe R Day
SOJ? Shall we examine that claim? Here is an excellent definition that defines that Noble sobriquet.
"The term "Servant of Justice" refers to a divine figure, often depicted in biblical texts, who is tasked with bringing justice and righteousness to the world. This concept is primarily associated with the Servant of the LORD in the Book of Isaiah, who embodies qualities such as righteousness, humility, and a commitment to God's will. The Servant's mission is characterized by a gentle yet resolute approach to justice, aiming for restorative and redemptive outcomes rather than punitive measures."
I submit that SOJ in this forum, has forgotten 'his mission' and his mandate to be: 'Righteous and Humble" in all replies.
When SOJ posts "If God wants it, it will happen and it won't happen without his permission." That smacks of heresy (opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted). Did your God 'speak to you' about the profound and illegal actions of Trump and his minions? Perhaps it was not a celestial being speaking, rather a personal opinion?
I have read SOJ posts for months and all I ever hear is "This is my opinion, Guided by my Celestial supernatural input. Any who deny my words, are goads against my God."
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Maureen Hebert Heartwood
The answer lies in the truth of SOJ’s pseudonym. He isn’t the Servant of Justice, he’s the Servant of Judgement. As such, he serves Judgement and renders what he can of it at all times. Judging is his raison d’être, especially when he feels he can work in condemnation of all the people he doesn’t like, typically gratuitously.
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K. Justice
The late Charlie Kirk said that school shootings and the resulting massacres of innocent children are a regrettable sacrifice Americans have to make to preserve their Second Amendment right to bear arms. Jesus said, "as much as you have done to the least of these, you have done unto me." You are absolutely right. God will not be mocked.
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Nicholas J Page
We have a massive problem with the immigrants here in the UK.It gets worse with us throwing money etc at them nothing is ever done after all these promises by the government and the French police let it happen so yes I support ICE
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ServantOfJudgement
I spent quite a few months in England installing automation machinery in a new Royal Mail facility. Maybe 2002-2006 off and on.
I was surprised to see the vast majority of workers were illegal immigrants from countries all throughout Europe, western Asia and northern Africa.
That was early 2000s. I can only imagine the burden the English carry 20 years later. Some really heartbreaking stories coming from the natives there.
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Paul Johnson
This has to justify the condoning of illegals as you stated you saw working. Now look at the problem they are facing. They finally are waking up to see how foolish they have been. Does this make it right?
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J. Anderson
...believe many of the UK's immigrant issues stem from their own 'right of return' laws established under the old Empire and Commonwealth. The delayed fruits of creating, maintaining, and inevitably losing, a vast colonial empire...
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Robert J Giammarco
It should not make a difference as to where you may be. IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME, YOU need to face the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS. EVERYONE who commits a CRIME knows that they could/would, someday be CAUGHT. NO PLACE is sacred. Just because someone attends a religious service SHOULD NOT be grounds to vacate the crime(s) that were committed. This is NOT a JUSTIFIABLE EXCUSE! This article is basically saying, IF YOU COMMIT a MURDER, say of anyone, your here ILLEGALLY, but if you attend a religious activity, YOU receive a PASS? Every nut case on here thinking this is OK, would be the FIRST to lambast the law, for NOT ARRESTING the person(s) responsible for committing the crime against their OWN FAMILY! GET REAL. We ALL know that punishment is needed, NO MATTER where you are. The LORD removed the MONEY changers in the TEMPLE. Now, many are stating that if you are in a church, it's fine. WHAT HYPOCRITES!
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Angele
You talk about law-breaking as if scapegoats are guilty, but Donald Trump’s recent convictions for serious crimes prove he is the real criminal, the first of his kind as a president.
And money changers aren’t the poor. How much did Trump’s (and his billionaire friends like Elon now becoming a trillionaire) finances change since Trump becoming your first racketeering president?
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Paul Johnson
What part of this honors Jesus Christ?? Did Jesus Christ pay his taxes? Go fish Peter take the coin and pay. Who do we get to judge? Jesus Christ himself didn’t even judge but cautioned us on how to judge . Read the word and see how we are to treat our leaders if you are a believer.
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Angele
If I am a believer you say.
If you claim to be a believer, it's hard to ignore how your beliefs open the door for hatred, as shown by your ignorant response to Jimmy Moon’s petty post celebrating ICE.
Dogma—is the perfect gateway for hate to enter as evidenced by your reply above to Jimmy Moon’s schadenfreude post of “get em boy, get em. ICE. ICE. BABY. “
Spirituality is determined by the quality of your love and not by the content of your belief. Where the dogma one believes has them responding to “get em boy, get em. ICE. ICE. BABY. “ with your joyous reply of “YES. YES. YES. “ there is no spirituality because spirituality is measured by love, not dogma.
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Patricia Ann Gross
I agree with you up to a point, and that point is you are found guilty in a court of law. It is the backbone of our judicial system that EVERY person is innoscent untill proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is also part of our judicial process that someone who has been adjudicated and found guilty of 35 felonies, some of which were sexual misconduct, that they go to JAIL, and if they ever get out, spend the rest of their lives on the sex offender registry, instead of going to live as an Oligarch in the White House. And before you say that it only applies to citizens of this country not someone here illegally, I suggest you go back and reread the fourth and fifth amendments where it says every PERSON.
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Paul Johnson
This would be true if you had a trial in a place where there were honest judges, attorney generals are mayors along with the governor but if you have been paying attention there was some discrepancy in the twisting of the law and the handling of the grand jury the conduct of the judge etc. I guess the POTUS was treated as fair as anybody else in NYare the world.
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Patricia Ann Gross
From what I understand, some have not had the benefit of due process, and just loaded on planes without a trial or court order. I hope I'm wrong, but that is basically how people have ended up in Venezuela and some of the African countries (3rd country deportations, i.e. not the country they immigrated from.)
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Angele
I wish I could cast my one vote a hundred times because you're not wrong, and this needs to be heard.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Sorry, but I didn't realize you were still talking about Trump's trial, but do you realize that his appeals in these cases have all failed, and he has been ordered to pay the civil suit.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Do you have to CAPITALIZE so many words? It sounds like you are SCREAMING at us.
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Paul Johnson
Don't you just love it when things don't go the way we want it to.
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Najah P Tamargo
Najah Tamargo-USA
SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!! How dare you defame people in church?
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ServantOfJudgement
Nazario Moreno González was a drug lord/religious leader. Yes, he hung out in church.
Drug lords filet flesh from living people Najah. They dismember living victims.
Lol, you think nice people hide in church?
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J. Anderson
...SOJ-in my experience, have seen ALL types 'hide in church' (...somewhat akin to the '...patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel...' aphorism...).
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Rev. BH
Raiding churches. And during religious services -- this is no longer a country I'm proud of.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Many Americans are very proud of what's going on. This IS the Christian's Project 2025 to make America White Again.
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Jimmy Moon
Get em boy, get em. ICE, ICE, BABY.
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Paul Johnson
YES, YES, YES
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Lionheart
I heard recently there are more than 11 million applications for Green Cards being delayed as a result of those illegal aliens bucking the system. Apparently there’s an effort underway by the current administration to speed up that process to vet those who meet the standards/requirements to qualify for a Green Card.
For those of you interested, “some” of those Green Card requirements are: No Criminal Record; Health Status; Education Level; Work Experience; Ability to speak English; and Financial Health.
Let’s hope we can get back to normal very soon with meeting legal requirements to reside in this wonderful country of ours in good ol’ USA. 🇺🇸
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Michael Hunt
The backlog of applications has nothing to do with illegal immigration and everything to do with there not being enough people to process the applications.
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Lionheart
Let’s hope that improves if that’s truly the case.
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Patricia Ann Gross
LH,
It's only getting worse. Now green card holders from 19 countries are going to all be re-evaluated, and some naturalized citizens could see their citizenship revoked (that is if a late-night rant from our "fearless" leader can get past the law of the land). This is all because of one bad actor against a person doing his job, even if it was following an "illegal" order. Not that I wish any harm against our military, but they don't belong patrolling our streets unless there is an imminent threat, which has yet to be proven.
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Lionheart
Yes, that is indeed very good news. We obviously have no idea what this country has freely let walk in, or fly in, or wade in. It seems we have an ever growing culture of people who do not pledge allegiance to this country. Many obviously hate America judging by their ranting in the streets and would rather fly the flags of the country of their origin. We also have people who have pledged allegiance to the flag during their naturalization process who obviously hate America. They need to be de-naturalized and flown back to the country they idolize. Ilhan Omar needs to be one of them.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Then quit complaining about how long it's taking for green card applications to be processed. Either speed it up and miss a few, or do a thorough job and get it right. You can't have it both ways.
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Lionheart
Trust me, I’m not complaining, I already made the grade and I’m in. I just feel sorry for those who are waiting to be accepted. Let’s hope the qualifying process can be improved. Banning those applications from 3rd world countries might be a step in the right direction to improve the process, we’ll just have to see.
Whoever was in charge of the last administration, Biden, or the Auto-pen, tried speeding up the process by just letting anyone in with two legs that could make it here. Clearly, that wasn’t a good idea, but then again he never seemed to have any good ideas, starting with suggesting Kamala Harris as VP, or did I miss one? 🤭
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Michael Hunt
The propaganda you consume is wild. The Biden administration fully vetted green card applicants according to the evidence I have seen. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to know about it.
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Lionheart
Oh joy! Did you find one? 🤭
But actually, we are fully aware his administration vetted green card applicants, as did ALL administrations since that process began, so its hardly an achievement, but its nice to look at it that way, right?
Is there anything you can find that was really impressive during his Presidency. Please don’t mention the Afghanistan withdrawal. We all know what a failure that was, so there must be something. I’ll try and scratch my head to help you out. 🤔
Was it the Abraham accords? 🤔 No…..I think that was the previous administration to him, whoever that was.
I’ll keep thinking.
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Michael Hunt
"Whoever was in charge of the last administration, Biden, or the Auto-pen, tried speeding up the process by just letting anyone in with two legs that could make it here."
Your comment indicated the Biden administration was not fully vetting green card applicants. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
I've never said Biden was a good president or that he did anything really impressive so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at there. However, he did have some accomplishments, along with failures, during his presidency, particularly economically, although inflation still was a problem.
https://theconversation.com/joe-bidens-legacy-four-successes-and-four-failures-246454
I also wouldn't view the Abraham accords as that impressive either, at least not yet, as there's still so much work needed by those involved still to have the accords be successful. They could lead to historic peace in the Middle East, but so far that has not been accomplished.
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2025/04/the-abraham-accords-after-gaza-a-change-of-context?lang=en
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Angele
Lion-heart, your post about Canada also having an immigration problem disappeared. We do -but we handle it without drama.
My country handles immigration responsibly, maintaining security without compromising human rights.
You did the crime, you pay the fine and are sent home.
Canada does it without skin colour profiling, without the terror of ninja-style masked agents or the secret lairs like Terrorism Confinement or Alligator Alcatraz popping up.
CANADA HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT
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Paul Johnson
Canada has always been great even while freezing the truckers bank accounts because they didn't want to aagree with the truckers.
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Angele
Like totally, Paul. Trudeau should have just summoned ICE and watched the truckers vanish—problem solved.
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Paul Johnson
I love it someone who sees it for what is happening and is willing to stand for right rather than wrong.
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Richard David Atwood
Illegals in the country need to be removed from ALL social services FREE MONEY and removed from the country. They broke the law coming here illegally and deserve nothing from the American peoples tax dollars.There are illegals all over the country and ALL of them need to be deported or held accountable for the crimes they have committed since they came. If they are hiding in a church, school, apartment building or anywhere else, including government offices, they need to be removed.
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Brien
Wow, hate much? Here is a clue for you Sherlock, everybody here, with the exception of the north american indians are immigrants. Once the founders were done stealing land and importing slaves they encouraged even more "immigrants" to come and populate this country. The people that you are so quick to dismiss have been helping to shape this country since the beginning. Churches have always been places of sanctuary and it is offensive to see the disgusting lack of morals and lack of protocols put forth by the current administration. All of the bitter, toxic people have now come out of hiding, you seem to be a good example of that.
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ServantOfJudgement
Except the north American indians migrated here too.
Everyone here ultimately migrated here.
Some did it before there were laws concerning it, some did it legally when there were laws and some have done it illegally when there were laws. Some of were sold to the colonies and states, I assume that's legal entry.
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Angele
So, by your reasoning ServentofJudgment, the Earth and Sun migrated too, but they’re as lost about their origins as North American Indians. Meanwhile, you, being from Europe, get to wear the immigrant badge with pride!
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ServantOfJudgement
Angele, my ancestors were sold as slaves to the colonies around 1746-1748. I'm a white devil with a slave badge. My ancestral land in Scotland is now a fancy pristine 17000 acre tract of land the UK hoity-toity use as hunting grounds. The king of England was pretty serious about wanting my land. He got it.
Plainly put, my ancestors were here before the country was. I consider myself native. I identify as native and I feel native.
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Angele
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ServantOfJudgement
Angele, there's overwhelming proof including undeniable DNA samples that leave zero doubt where the continent's first immigrants came from. They're all Asian.
No human being on either of the American continents evolved here nor were they created here. None are truly native to the land. I fit the exact criteria any north American tribe member fits today. We both migrated to this continent before any law prevented it.
The water gets muddy the more we play in it.
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Michael Hunt
No, you do not "fit the exact criteria any north American tribe member fits today." The indigenous peoples of the Americas did come from what is now Asia and Siberia, but they migrated there at least 15,000-20,000 years ago, if not earlier. Your ancestors came here less than 300 years ago while Native Americans' ancestors were here 50 times longer at least. By claiming that you're just as native to America, you're diminishing the harms done to the indigenous population in America and ignoring tens of thousands of years of history.
They migrated to what we know as America when there wasn't anyone else living on the land. Your ancestors came here with colonizers who stole the land the indigenous peoples had been living on.
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Lori-Ann Neeb
There is one slimy narcissist, Nazi wanna be perv hiding right in plain sight in the white House. If they really wanted a target, go there first. Send him to a cozy terrorist prison in Antarctica or something. Better do it before he gets his escape tunnels under the white House finished.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
This IS exactly what the Christian's want if you have read Project 2025. Their stated goal is to make America white again and this is how they are doing it.
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Peter A. Shedd
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Michael Hunt
Pure evil
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Douglas Robert Spindler
How is this pure evil? The Christians are the ones behind this with Project 2025. Their stated goal is to make American white again and segregated. This IS what Made America Great.
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Sally Jeanne Altobello
That is not Christianity. If you think it is, please read the Bible. White Christian Nationalists have hijacked the name of Christianity. With it has come ugliness, hatred, exclusion...all in the name of Jesus Christ. Not OK.
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
The Pure Evil are the ones who are coming here illegally stealing my paycheck deductions for Medicare Medicaid taxes all of that that I've worked my butt off for and they get it for nothing and then they have the unmitigated gall to say "oh no we're being targeted... the United States are so mean and unfair" yeah you're being targeted you're a criminal good Lord...
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Michael Hunt
You do realize that undocumented immigrants still pay millions of dollars in taxes each year, but they are not eligible for any government services like medicare or medicaid or SNAP, right? They're not stealing anything from you, they're contributing to our communities.
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Lionheart
You mean to tell me that illegal aliens are being illegally hired by American businesses? I hope their employers are taken to court and heavily fined for breaking the law.
You’ll be telling me next that illegal aliens who cannot read English road signs, have been given commercial truck driving licenses.
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J. Anderson
Friend Lion-'murican business (including the current CE) has been shirking/ignoring/deflecting/opposing any serious form/application of 'card check', preferring that cheap/pliable/much-less likely to unionize immigrant labor for 100+ years. If there was no work on offer for them, many fewer would be making the journey. You 'hope' violating employers are taken to court and appropriately punished? When presumably a 'good corporate citizen' would always be working to keep that door closed, themselves? Don't make me laugh! Best to you.
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Lionheart
Thank you for your well meaning words, I’m pleased if anything I pen raises a smile with anyone. I do my best to support the Constitution, and I do believe in Law and Order. From what I understand, even that mythological god fellow has requirements to keep people that don’t match up to His expectations out of His Kingdom. From what I understand He’s prepared to burn them for eternity, while all we do in our Constitutional Kingdom is send them back to where they came from. 🤭
Please excuse me if anyone is ever affected, or gets upset, with logical thought. 🤗
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart,
Hell was not created by God; rather, it is a state of the soul that has willingly chosen eternal separation from him. God does not compel anyone, as he respects free will.
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Lionheart
“Cue the soundtrack of déjà vu—still spinning that broken record, huh?”
Is there any demonstrable evidence yet as to what a soul is?
Is there any demonstrable evidence yet regarding the reality of any God, let alone what it’s pronouns are?
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Rev. BH
I can foresee ICE thugs smashing in stained glass church windows as they do car windows... anybody recall the Kristallnacht pogrom?
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart—pretty sure that’s Thou, noble one!
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Rev. BH
Lionheart, do we need God to instill decency and kindness in our hearts?
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Lionheart
I don’t see why we need any god to frighten people into being good, kind, and decent. What does it say for a person that needs a threat of going to a place of purgatory if they are not good boys and girls?
I do my best to be decent, kind, and loving, with no gods involved, to formulate my moral behavior. If people need an imaginary friend to help them be good, and act with love, I really feel sorry for them and wish them well.
Having said all that, I still lock my front door every night, and never let anyone into my home before I vet them. If I ever find anyone has secretly found their way into my home without me knowing about it, I will have them removed. How about you? Do you have any locks on your house doors, and if so, do you use them?
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Rev. BH
Locks on my doors ... uh, sure. Great retort!
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Ahmed Abduljabar Al-Hujazi
Where is your evidence of this? Can you point to one accredited source that isn't some conspiracy theory whack job? Michael Hunt has debunked your government angle, so where do you go from here?
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Pastor George Day
Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D., that statement is xenophobic and utterly shameful!
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
For those who are trying to get something for nothing they will make any comment any statement and claim there are volumes of proof for their side.
It reminds me of a line from a Shakespearean play, and where the ending comment was something like this "...it is a tale told by an idiot full of Sound and Fury signifying nothing..."
Only a fool would think that they aren't stealing because of very simple English to understand which is they came here breaking the law they make application and receive the benefits from breaking the law and someone pays the bill and that someone in this case is me and others who are obeying the law who are paying the taxes and who don't want anything from others except to just get along but it can't be that simple there must be a pound of Flesh for no other reason that is what I am talking about it is not xenophobic or anything else it just simply is fact!.
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Pastor George Day
Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
I understand your perspective, but have you ever considered placing yourself in their position? Have you ever been forced to flee your homeland for safety, sacrificing your heritage and identity while adapting to life as a foreigner in an entirely unfamiliar environment?
I have, as did Jesus. It is not an easy place to be. In time, I ascended the ranks of society, but the journey was anything but simple.
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
Just because something is not easy doesn't mean they get a free pass the bottom line is really simple and the more you guys try to justify it the more you show the holes there are in it he's committed a crime and then they commit another crime and another and another plain and simple do it the right way make application and wait your turn.
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Michael Hunt
So spend years waiting in a country where your safety is at risk? Many undocumented immigrants came here legally and then overstayed their visas. Many of them have tried to apply for citizenship or asylum only to wait year after year for their application to be processed. Your understanding of the immigration process and the difficulties navigating it is clearly lacking.
Now even those who are trying to go through the right pathways to legal US residency are being picked up by ICE at their immigration hearings and deported, often without notifying family members or legal representatives.
Undocumented immigrants do not receive medicare/medicaid, SNAP, EBT, or any other government benefits because they do not have the documents required to apply for these services. Anyone telling you otherwise is misinformed or lying.
Being in the US illegally is only a misdemeanor, not a felony, such as public intoxication or vandalism. Immigrants, legal or not, commit less crime than US born citizens. Calling all undocumented immigrants criminals is simply a way to demonize and "other" a minority group while they're being targeted by our government.
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Lionheart
Please explain why you feel that way, Sir George.
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart
I was not British by birth; there was a time when I was an immigrant.
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Lionheart
I was not American by birth. I too was an immigrant that went through due process to enter the USA legally. It was a wonderful time that culminated in me pledging allegiance to the United States of America, worked hard, and became a naturalized citizen.
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Pastor George Day
Lionheart,
Interestingly, while holding settled status in the UK, I became a Sealander.
I do not support Palestine, but I affirm the legality of the Principality of Sealand, of which I am a Founder Citizen—akin to a political figure.
Are we now entering another conflict, you and I?
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Lionheart
Absolutely no conflict at all. Please see it as intellectual dialogue.
It’s nice that you have a border of water around your Principality. I hope you take care of it from any illegal visitors. 🤭
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i would believe that the churches would be a spot in other countries the religion purchases and even hides people and secures them as well as united states does prayers to the clergy and great at helping and securing others