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Judges ruled that the teacher had no religious right to refuse using students' preferred pronouns.

A clash between religious conviction and public-school policy has landed in federal court, and the ruling could shape how far schools can go in dictating what teachers say in the classroom.

Should Christian instructors be required to honor students’ preferred pronouns and gender identity? What happens when school policy and religious belief are at odds?

Faith and Policy Collide

Substitute teacher Kimberly Ann Polk’s first year working at Montgomery County Public Schools in Maryland during the 2021-2022 school year came and went without issue. But ahead of the 2022-2023 school year, she was required by the district to complete online training regarding district policies.

One of the policies, under the school board’s official Guidelines for Student Gender Identity, requires instructors to honor students’ gender identities, and call them by their preferred name and pronouns.

Notably, this is the same school district which argued that it would be too large a burden to create an alternative curriculum for parents who want to opt their kids out of LGBTQ+-related lessons for their kids. 

Citing her “sincerely held religious beliefs,” which are “based on her understanding of her Christian religion and the Holy Bible,” Polk refused - and instead asked for a religious accommodation.Polk believed “she would act unethically if she affirmatively assisted children to present as other than their God-given sex… [which] would include lying to children by using pronouns for them that do not match their God-given, biological sex.”  

The dispute ultimately made its way to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, where judges rejected her claim that the district’s actions amounted to religious discrimination.

Pronoun Use “Part of the Job”

In their dismissal, the panel of judges argued that treating kids with respect and honoring their gender identity was simply part of her duties as a public school instructor.

“How a teacher addresses a particular student in a particular classroom—and whether a teacher communicates with a student’s parent—is merely a part of that teacher’s job description,” wrote Circuit Judge Robert Bruce King. “No one forced Polk to become a substitute teacher in Montgomery County,” he argued - and that by accepting the position, she agreed to abide by school policy.

Plus, he said, it couldn’t have been religious discrimination because not all people sharing Polk’s faith even agree in her definition of gender. As he put things:

"Because Polk herself is a Christian who believes that there are only two sexes does not mean that all Christians believe the same thing," King wrote, "and that non-Christians inherently believe otherwise."

Is It Compelled Speech?

Not all of the judges on the panel disagreed with Polk. Circuit Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III dissented, writing that the majority ruling makes clear “there is no limit to the words the state can put in teachers’ mouths.” His dissent argued the ruling could have wide-reaching consequences.

Can the state force an Israeli teacher to wear a pro-Palestine pin? Can the state force a Quaker math teacher to start class with a statement expressing her support for U.S. military strikes abroad? Can the state force an atheist teacher to recite the pledge of allegiance with the words “under God”? 

Polk and her attorneys are currently considering their options. Her attorney, Rick Claybrook, even suggested they may even request that the Supreme Court take up the case.

Yet as debates over gender identity, religious freedom, and free speech continue to collide in classrooms, cases like this raise a fundamental question for teachers across the country: where should the line be drawn between personal beliefs and professional obligations? 

Did the courts get this ruling right?

281 comments

  1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

    Not political reasons, because the findings were counter to their claims of evidence base treatment. The same treatment that would be halted for good medical reasons. Maybe you misspoke or just subconsciously admitted it’s true.

  1. Church of the Eternal Echoflame's Avatar Church of the Eternal Echoflame

    Respecting another person's identity is called basic common decency and respect of other persons. It is NOT an "identity dispute," it is NOT an "emotional confrontation," and it is NOT "political activism." The only people who are making it about them and degrading learning for everyone are the people who think they have the right to disrespectfully shove their religious beliefs down another person's throat. Those people should NOT ever be teachers, because real teachers need to know how to respect the identities of their students, or they cannot possibly provide a safe and fair learning environment for all students -- a teacher's duty. End of discussion. Not all Christians are bigots and bigotry has no place in our classrooms.

  1. Gregory Allan McLeod's Avatar Gregory Allan McLeod

    Believe in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior and not the synagogue of Satan. The book of John is very clear about this religion, they are the children of the devil and we are the children of God. God referred to the Jews as liars and deceivers.... Dead Sea scrolls found in 1946 and you want Christians to believe this lie?

  1. Donald V. Dunham's Avatar Donald V. Dunham
    1. Why these issues end up in K-12 schools at all

    Schools are not just academic institutions.They are also: government institutions workplaces social environments for minors legally responsible for student safety and discrimination policy Because of that, schools are required to handle: bullying identity conflicts religious conflicts behavioral disputes mental health concerns discrimination law Once those responsibilities exist, questions about gender, religion, speech, and rights inevitably enter the building whether administrators want them there or not. So from a legal standpoint, schools cannot simply say: “Only math and reading here. They are legally obligated to manage student interactions and rights.

    1. Where your argument has real weightThere is a strong argument, made by many parents, teachers, and policy experts, that: Younger grades should not be the primary arena for ideological or identity debates. Reasons commonly cited: children lack cognitive maturity for complex ideological framing classroom time is already limited for core skills introducing adult-level social conflicts can create stress or confusion schools risk becoming political battlegrounds instead of learning environments Many education systems worldwide actually try to delay complex social theory discussions until later grades for this reason. So your instinct here is not fringe — it is part of an ongoing national policy debate.

    2. Why colleges are treated differently Colleges are viewed as the appropriate place for deep social debate because: students are adults participation is voluntary intellectual debate is part of the mission exposure to conflicting ideas is expected legal standards for speech are broader K-12 is different because: attendance is compulsory students are minors parents have legal rights over upbringing schools must maintain structured order

    So the threshold for what belongs in curriculum is much more contested. 4. The actual policy divide in society right now The country is split into three main positions: Position A, Keep focus on core academics

    Limit social/identity topics in early grades Focus on literacy, math, science, history Handle personal issues privately when possible Position B — Schools must reflect social realities Students already experience these issues

    Schools must address them to prevent harm Avoiding topics can create exclusion or conflict Position C — Local control Communities decide via school boards and parents No one-size national rule Policies vary by district/state Most current legislation and court cases revolve around which of these positions should dominate.

    1. The blunt structural reality Even if many people want schools to focus confirmed purely on academics: As long as schools function as: state institutions social environments legal guardians during school hours they will continue being pulled into social and cultural disputes. That is not ideology — it is structural.

    2. Where this debate is actually headed The long-term resolution will likely come from: state-level education policy changes clearer parental rights laws eventual Supreme Court rulings on compelled speech and school authority possible separation between curriculum vs. personal accommodation issues Until those lines are defined more clearly, these conflicts will keep appearing in school systems rather than being confined to universities.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      I'd like to know a school now days that handles bullying? Teachers can't help, most of them are scared. If they were allowed to punish kids like we had there wouldn't be all this stupidness going on.

  1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

    Probably send him or her or it to hell.

  1. Donald V. Dunham's Avatar Donald V. Dunham

    Keep the Classroom a Place for Learning

    As people of faith, we believe every student is made in the image of God and deserves dignity and respect. That includes students who are struggling with identity, students who are confused, and students who are confident in who they are.

    But we must also protect the purpose of the classroom.

    Schools exist to teach reading, math, science, history, and the skills necessary for adulthood. They are not designed to function as therapy sessions, social battlegrounds, or ideological training grounds.

    When classrooms become spaces for ongoing identity disputes, emotional confrontations, or political activism, learning suffers. All students, regardless of background, deserve a calm, structured environment where academic focus comes first.

    Students who are navigating serious personal or identity struggles should receive care. But that care belongs in private counseling settings with trained professionals and parental involvement, not in front of a captive audience of peers.

    Protecting classroom order is not hatred. Setting age-appropriate boundaries is not cruelty. Wanting instruction time devoted to academics is not bigotry.

    A healthy school system should:

    • Maintain academic focus. • Provide counseling privately and responsibly. • Respect parental authority. • Ensure no student is mocked or singled out. • Avoid turning teachers into ideological referees.

    Compassion and structure are not opposites. Truth and love are not enemies.

    We can hold firm convictions about human identity while still treating every student with dignity. But we should not confuse compassion with chaos, nor mistake boundaries for harm.

    The classroom must remain a place for learning.

  1. Kaben Starre's Avatar Kaben Starre

    This is pretty simple: Those believing in Trump ideology refuse to go along with the more advanced science. Liberals believe the opposite; less to do with reality and more to do with controlling other's.

  1. Shawn David Spencer's Avatar Shawn David Spencer

    Well first thing I think should be understood is how to interpret the bible by its historical context. Fior example here is a discussion I had that revealed what I'm talking about here, If this is the true history, it explains why the Bible says "God told Onan." In ancient Near Eastern rhetoric, if a king or a bloodline survived a coup, it was attributed to the Will of the Divine. By saying God commanded the union and punished Onan, the Hebrew scribes were essentially saying: "The invaders tried to end us, but the Divine protected the seed of the King."

    It frames the survival of the tribe of Judah not as a lucky break, but as a sanctioned restoration of the "Four Corners" sovereignty.

    So it's not that it's inaccurate, only that the scribes at that time used different expressions for things at that time. "For God commanded" and "The Divine Will of God" was their description used to explain a completely different meaning than we understand it to be. Using this method we can unravel the truth within the biblical scriptures I think.

  1. Jeffery C Richards's Avatar Jeffery C Richards

    Compelled speech, plain and simple. No one is under any obligation to torture language in order to accommodate the delusion of a mentally unhealthy person. XY≠XX. Never has. Never will. When the Obama administration threw open the doors to Medicare-funded sex reassignment surgery, we went from only 2 to 120 medical centers in North America that performed such surgery, and in less than five years! For the love of humanity, the permanent mutilation of gay kids for profit is nothing less than Josef Mengele-like evil.

    1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      Transgender people are not mentally unhealthy people because they are Transgender, nor have they ever tried to claim that XY=XX chromosomes. Also, this isn't "the permanent mutilation of gay kids for profit." Not a single transgender person I know who underwent gender affirming care has expressed an ounce of regret. Instead they express pure joy at finally having a body that they identify with.

  1. Sharon D Childs's Avatar Sharon D Childs

    Church and State should be forever two separate things that's what I believe a religious school has the right to use the I guess pronoun of the person that's sitting in front of them I,meaning if it a boy in front of them then it a boy . Public school go by a whole set of different rules pretty much no rules at all they allow children to come to school with saggy pants pajamas headphones on so you know they have no rules because schools are free public schools are free so if the child wishes to be called or referred to as a fish then you have to do that private schools not the same especially a Catholic School a religious school that's my opinion my thoughts

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      That's where the parents come in as bringing their kids up with no respect to others. It all starts at home.

  1. Cheryl Medlin's Avatar Cheryl Medlin

    Yes, the court got it right. Using a person's pronouns or chosen name in no way infringes on "your" religious freedoms. But arguing to NOT use them or even just doing the opposite of the request definitely dehumanizes that person. For a teacher to do that is truly obscene. I would bet money that the same teacher consistently uses nicknames when a student requests it. In fact, as an ex-teacher, I would go so far as to say that a teacher dehumanizing a student in any way should be grounds for dismissal.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Why is not calling them what they are male or female, dehumanizing? That's what they are. Male or female. No changes should be made to change the sex of a person's body. I say the kids with these problems should seek help and leave this stupid stuff at their home. Get over it. There are enough problems in schools these days without making this a problem.

  1. Patrick M Persinger's Avatar Patrick M Persinger

    There is no Biblical defense of ignorance. If you do not understand science, that is a personal issue. The First Amendment protects the innocent citizens of this country from such ignorance infecting the institution of academia. The WORLD owns Academics, thankfully, making it undefeatable. No zealous groups can inflict harm on the body of human knowledge and wisdom, even in the name of their own inner machinations. You see, it is irrelevant. As always, the intellect of humanity shall ultimately triumph.

    And again, it is an issue of not understanding the data (or science). Saying you disagree is a category error. You cannot "disagree" with data, as data is. So you can not understand the data, or choose to ignore it. But what you cannot do is disagree with it. That is a category error, because data isn't a discussion. Do you see?

    Your beliefs belong in your heart. Share with those who care to listen. If it hurts to hear that you are the oaf for trying to preach to those who don't want to hear it, then you definitely need to hear it. Shalom.

  1. Robert Edward Szekely's Avatar Robert Edward Szekely

    I see compassion exhibited here by the mature voices, and ignorant excuses for those who chose to make much ado about something as simple as a form of address. What pronoun (which is in the realm of grammar) you use to address an individual by has not the barest thread of connection to your religion (which is how you worship). The fact that this whole concept has flared up into a polarized, emotionally charged debate proves beyond all doubt what a spurious strawman this dispute is, as it ceased being a debate when the neanderthals in the crowd started flinging poo at their opponents, because they lacked a reasonable foundation from which to present their position. Only those affiliated with The Church of the Incestuous Redneck would be foolish enough to call using pronouns which confused their addled brains as constituting a violation of sincerely held religious beliefs. Maybe its time they actually read their Bibles, instead of using them as doorstops.

  1. Trieste Angel Raisch's Avatar Trieste Angel Raisch

    The teacher is not there to help indoctrination along. The students are there to learn the usual subjects. If the male child thinks it’s a female cat and wants to be called Mrs. Menowge do we entertain the delusion?

    1. Rev. Tim's Avatar Rev. Tim

      Not sure how you meandered your question from human sexuality and gender identity to... cats. You must have scored high in rhetoric at Trump U.

    2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Definitely NO!

  1. Ryan DiBraccio's Avatar Ryan DiBraccio

    As a ordained minster (Former Roman Catholic) in this church and cisgender LGBTQIA+ Ally I think everybody should be accepted because we are all humans created by God.I also believe that god loves everybody no matter what. Am firm believer in separation of church and state.The teacher should have used the student’s preferred pronouns.

    A great resource to learn about this is htttps://pronouns.org

    May have got the website name wrong

    have used it in a while

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      So you don't think that God created a male and a female and no man shall lay with another man. Isn't that what it says in the Bible? Does God say anywhere that hey if you don't like that I made you a girl go to a doctor and change to a boy.

  1. Rev. Tim's Avatar Rev. Tim

    "Sincerely held religious beliefs" is patently transparent code for "sincerely held belief that you must be compelled to abide by my beliefs".

    The bible commands stoning for specific offenses. Why do we not embrace the rights of wacko zealots to stone and/or otherwise kill those who violate their particular interpretation of divine will?

    If my sincerely-held religious belief compels me to slay my neighbor and take his wife as a slave, will this imitation of a teacher support me?

    And where is her "sincerity held belief" in the divine directive of 1 Timothy 2:12?

  1. Lion on the Beach's Avatar Lion on the Beach

    When young people turn of legal age, then they can indulge in their fantasy. Other people should not have to partake or be held accountable in their silly make-believe game if they choose not to. No special privilege or considerations should be given to indulge these sad youngsters other than counseling.

  1. Harvey Jay Friedman's Avatar Harvey Jay Friedman

    Until such time that science finds a way to change chromosomes from X to Y or Y to X people are stuck with their birth sex. Anything else is just a mental preference. You can put a wool coat on a goat, but it’s still a goat. You can call it a sheep if you want to, but that doesn’t make it true. If people want to be addressed by a name that’s their right and it should be respected. If my name is Bob I don’t want to be called Fred. You can solve your personal dilemma by just using last names without pronouns.

  1. George Dolicker's Avatar George Dolicker

    I find the comment that “your faith is meant for at home and at church no where else.” to be extremely troubling. I believe that your faith is to be held and lived everywhere and always. You don’t need to push ion other’s faces, but it is who you are.

  1. Susan Frances Haid's Avatar Susan Frances Haid

    Here's the thing, the child is required to be in school, the teacher is not. Some schools are not large enough to have several classes of one grade. Some classes are divided up by ability and the child might have to go into a class above or below their ability. Additionally, the child's parents might not be able to home school them, so there is no out for them there. The teacher or substitute teacher does not have to be a teacher. For all these reasons i believe it is no contest that the teacher must treat the student with respect using their preferred name and pronouns. This is school, it's mandatory, the child needs to be protected and respected. If you don't like it, don't teach! There are many, many things that could need to be permitted if the child was allowed to be disrespected in this way. Schools have to come down on the side of the student, that should be obvious to anyone who wishes to teach, otherwise, you're not wishing to teach, you're wishing to dictate, and that is beyond the pale.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      But in a lot of schools the students run the schools with disrespect and teachers are afraid of them. Goes 2 ways.

  1. obere mchugh's Avatar obere mchugh

    This is exactly why my children do not attend public school's what so ever, they are home schooled doing networked and structured in an appropriate environment with teachers instructors and those who know there subjects flawlessly. learning in a classical traditional manner. i will never send my children to a public school while these kind of problems persist as well school violence and everything else goes on my children will actually learn, actually have education on our terms and with real education in mind not these political games and stupid religious drama you all seem to love to engage in.

  1. obere mchugh's Avatar obere mchugh

    First off if you are being hired in a public school check your faith at the door your there to do a public school job your personal religious faith has nothing to do with teaching get over your self. if you cant do the job your being hired for dont accept it point blank. this goes for any job if you cant do the job as is required dont accept it point blank. your faith is yours alone keep it were it belongs. this is for any and all secular professions keep your faith out of everyone elses business full stop. i get really sick and tired of christians thinking they have the right to use there faith in every single context your faith is meant for at home and at church no where else. keep your christian views to your self and stay out of everyone else business as this is a secular science based world and much broader than the old world move on and get over your selfs.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      What about the faith of an atheist? Should that be checked at the door?

      The average run of the mill atheist requires a stronger faith than even the most serious Christian.

      Come now, let's not be silly. People can't turn off emotions and beliefs, otherwise no atheist would even attempt to teach evolution.

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        "The average run of the mill atheist requires a stronger faith than even the most serious Christian."

        Absurd comment. The most serious of Christians believe the Earth is merely thousands of years old despite hard evidence to the contrary. How does the absence of belief in a God or gods require more faith than steadfastly believing something which we can prove without a doubt is false?

        Checking your faith at the door does not mean you turn off emotions or beliefs, it means you keep them to yourself.

        Also, evolution isn't a part of the "faith of an atheist", it's documented scientific research. We can repeat experiments with consistent results and compare observations of fossils against those found elsewhere to see that the theory of evolution is sound and our best understanding of how life came to be on Earth. We may have faith that there are no deities, but science doesn't require the same type of faith that Christianity does since the sole supporting text for Christianity is The Bible.

  1. Ari Joseph Bertine's Avatar Ari Joseph Bertine

    If you're a teacher and you refuse to treat your students with basic human decency, and insist upon emotionally abusing them by imposing your personal beliefs onto their life, you should absolutely get fired. Treating children cruelly has no place in school. It doesn't matter what you think of their gender status, it's not your place to hurt them because you disagree.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Teaching proper English is abuse?

      Really?

      Proper English is cruel?

      Really?

      Hmmm...

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        The singlular them/them/theirs is widely accepted as proper English including by the APA and MLA grammatical style guides.

        https://esl.uchicago.edu/2021/06/29/singular-they-a-users-guide/

  1. William Kurt Green's Avatar William Kurt Green

    I respect that your view comes from sincere religious conviction. I’m not trying to challenge anyone’s faith.

    From a biological and medical perspective, however, sex is not strictly binary in all cases. While most people are born clearly male or female, there are well-documented natural variations in chromosomes, hormones, and sexual development—such as XXY, XO, androgen insensitivity, and other intersex conditions—that do not fit neatly into just two categories. These are recognized in genetics and medicine, not ideology.

    Because of this biological complexity, many institutions separate biological sex from gender identity when creating policies, especially in schools, where student mental health and safety are central concerns.

    People can hold strong religious beliefs about God’s design while also acknowledging that biology shows natural variation in human development. The two don’t have to be in conflict.

  1. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

    What exactly is the problem here? That’s a rhetorical question, because the objection is already clear. But let’s look at what is actually being asked. Is this teacher required to commit a sin? No. Is she being asked to commit a crime? No. She is being asked to treat a student with basic respect.

    In practical terms, how often does a teacher even use pronouns when addressing a student directly? Most teachers use names. I never addressed students as ‘Mister’ or ‘Miss.’ I used their names.

    And that brings us to something simple. My name is James, but I ask people to call me Jim. If someone named Theodore prefers to be called Ted, or Dore, or Theo, we don’t turn that into a moral crisis. We recognize it as ordinary courtesy. We call people what they ask to be called because that is how respectful human interaction works.

    One judge’s dissent tried to compare this to forcing a teacher to wear a political pin or endorse military action. That comparison falls apart immediately. No one is being asked to promote a political cause, support a government policy, or affirm a religious ideology. Those examples involve compelled political speech. This situation does not.

    What is being asked here is far simpler: treat a student with dignity. There is nothing sinful about that. There is nothing criminal about that. It is simply respect.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Here's why bub. AI gathering of latest confirmed acceptable pronouns:

      he/him/his/himself she/her/hers/herself they/them/their/theirs/themself e/em/eir/eirs/emself ey/em/eir/eirs/emself xe/xem/xyr/xyrs/xemself ze/hir/hirs/hirself ze/zir/zirs/zirself ae/aer/aers/aerself co/cos/coself fae/faer/faers/faerself ve/ver/vis/verself ce/cir/cirs/cirself ne/nem/nir/nirs/nemself per/pers/perself tey/tem/teir/teirs/temself sie/hir/hirs/hirself

      Absolutely ridiculous folly. Stupit.

      They be Stupit.

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        I fail to see a problem here, SoJ. If someone says, "I prefer these pronouns," I do my best to respect their wishes and use them. You wish to go by a pseudonym here and we all use that to address you. We don't say, "that's not a real name," and start calling you James or John or Sam or whatever name we feel like calling you. It's just respect.

      2. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        SOJ,

        So how many people have you come across who have requested you refer to them by one of these pronouns? Is it really worth all of this emotional upheaval? If there are two or three people who have something a little different about their name or how they want to be addressed is it really that big of a deal? I doubt it is very many since less than one percent of the population identifies as transgender, and depending on when you met them and how far along they were in their transition when it happened, you may not even know it. Most transgender people still go by male or female pronouns, so I am guessing that these other pronouns are generally for the more gender fluid/non-binary types, which make up even less of the population. In all my dealings with the LGBTQIA+ community, which is extensive because I have a lot of friends in, there is only one who had a melt-down over a they/them misgendering. Although I have heard of a few of these others, I've never met anyone who actually uses them, but that is my experience.

  1. Cam Kirmser's Avatar Cam Kirmser

    If a student's "preferred" pronoun is, "Master," is a teacher bound to use it?

    If a white student demanded of a black teacher to use "Master," is the teacher required to use that address?

    For myself, I do not buy into this "trans" foolishness. One is male or one is female, no amount of cosmetic surgery or enabling of mental problems will alter that and the proper pronouns to use are those assigned by the rules of English.

    1. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

      That’s a false comparison. Schools already prohibit forms of address that are disruptive, demeaning, or create a hostile environment. A title like “Master” would clearly fall into that category and would not be allowed.

      What’s being discussed here is the use of ordinary names and pronouns so a student can participate in class without being singled out. That’s a matter of professional conduct, not ideology.

      You may disagree with transgender identities, but teachers aren’t hired to settle philosophical debates or diagnose students. They’re hired to teach and maintain a respectful classroom.

      1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

        Once you let a he be a she you let a he be them. Now you let the xem and xor in the door. Once you let the xem and xey in, the other 65 pronouns get in the door. Check please!

        Let's just cut the crap and call a he he and a she she. Save the fantasy junk for home and let school do the business of proper education with proper English.

        Save the deep philosophical silliness for people who think we're in a hologram.

        1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

          Your "logic" makes zero sense and it just sounds like you're complaining about having to expand your understanding of the world and society.

          Proper education includes understanding that proper English changes over time since it's a living language, not a dead one like Latin.

    2. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

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  1. Billy Coley's Avatar Billy Coley

    It is hard to swallow the number of people who post on here that show no real idea of the teachings of Jesus...

    I guess it is only in the white supremacist 'jesus' cherrypicked bible that talks about loving thy neighbor only if they fit your narrow, bigoted worldview

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      It's not narrow minded or bigotry, it's plain black and white, God made a male and a female. That's it done and overwith. Move on.

  1. Billy Coley's Avatar Billy Coley

    I find it hard to believe a person is educated enough to be a teacher didn't get enough education to know that that is wrong.

    If you were a teacher, it is probably best that ex nor preceded it

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      It's wrong that the kids don't know if they are male or female. Do the ones that want to be a female want to have periods and cramps and everything that goes along with being a female?

  1. Lawyer John's Avatar Lawyer John

    The questions posed at the end of this article don't really apply. The Israeli question raises a political issue so the teacher would not have to comply. The Quaker teacher question also raises a political issue. With respect to atheist question, that has already been addressed in litigation and the answer is no.

  1. Stanley Westbrook's Avatar Stanley Westbrook

    I was a school teacher and I retired early due to the school policy of mandating teachers to accept and address a student by their preferred sex, regardless of their born gender identity. We all know that people are born either with male or female organs and that should determine what gender/sex they are, as far as I am concerned this is God's law. And man's law should be supportive of God's law. The only exception I can see to this is if a person is born with both male and female organs, which I have not known to exist. In this case once that child is of an age to decide what they want to be then they should choose.

    1. Kim W. Lyon's Avatar Kim W. Lyon

      I am a public school special education paraprofessional and I support trans children. End of.

    2. Billy Coley's Avatar Billy Coley

      If you call J.D. Vance J.D Vance, then you can identify anyone by their preferred identity

    3. Billy Coley's Avatar Billy Coley

      I find it hard to believe a person is educated enough to be a teacher didn't get enough education to know that that is wrong.

      If you were a teacher, it is probably best that ex nor preceded it

    4. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Very well said.

  1. Walter Abington's Avatar Walter Abington

    Throw the case out was correct. Public school is public school. Save your opinion for Sunday school.

  1. John Florea Jr's Avatar John Florea Jr

    This is the reason Church and State should NEVER be allowed to co-exist in a public education system. If you want to teach Christianity then go to a private school to teach. No one is FORCING these teachers into the public sector. These belief based issues only create issues by making rules where none need to be. What about beliefs of students, should we start allowing them to dictate what happens because they don't like something?

  1. Christopher Buxton's Avatar Christopher Buxton

    look up the irish preacher teacher who is in prison for refusing at his school to call a boy a girl,in the republic of ialand

  1. Donna J Enneking's Avatar Donna J Enneking

    Treating all others with kindness and respect should rule across the board. Jesus did not discriminate.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Does it say in the Bible anywhere that He ran into this problem? I didn't think so.

      1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        PKBW,

        Jesus ran into may people that were outcast by society, and treated them with kindess. If they were sick he healed them, if they were sinners he forgave them, and if they were hungry he fed them. In one case, when Lazarus was dead, he brought him back to life.

  1. Rachael Evans's Avatar Rachael Evans

    Sex and gender are two different things, and each is mutually exclusive of the other.

    We are told that sex is Male or Female and for the majority of us, that's the truth. However, I'm intersex, hermaphrodite, I have DSD, or whatever term suits you. I was born with elements of both male and female reproductive systems. The Dr's chose male for me, and biologically, they were wrong. I look and sound male, but I am a female. I have monthly moments. I've had a partial hysterectomy, but I resemble what many would call Trans.

    Gender is a social construct; as a society, we assign roles to males and females, including how we dress and behave. Think about it, why must a man wear a shirt and tie, but a female not so? It wasn't that long ago that ties never existed. We made up a social rule. Santa Claus is depicted as a jolly chap in red and white, yet before Coca-Cola, he was in green and white. We changed the rules. In Victorian times, boys wore pink, girls blue. Why must women be nurses and men, Doctors? These are social constructs, nothing more. If society is changing, then we will react to this.

    The Bible and various other montheistic religions represent a binary male and female; other religions do not. The difference in what we believe as our religion is what we are exposed to, what we are taught, and what is normalised. This is why we have the cultural differences between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, and others. Society has its norms, its interpretations. Remember that tie analogy above, there were no ties 0 BC, so how did we decide that a tie was a male item?

    Sex is somewhat immutable, with a few exceptions; gender is fluid, it changes with society, fashion, culture. It's 2026, not 1926; we are, fortunately, still evolving.

  1. Clara Ries's Avatar Clara Ries

    Absolutely. How you treat a customer, student, stakeholder as part of your job is absolutely speech that is controlled by your employer. In my world, we work with political stakeholders on the regular basis, regardless of party. We are not allow to engage in personal political discussion as part of our job. On break, no problem. I always tell new folks, it doesn't matter what you do on your own time, what signs you put in your yard, letter to the editor, whatever, that is yours. What you say as part of your job is controlled.

    It is no different if you work at a support center, you cannot say what you want or feel is "morally correct" in your interaction, you need to read from the script and follow procedures.

    Up here in Minnesota, we have Kwik Trip gas and convenience stores. They are required to say "See you again next time" when you check out no matter what you think.

    I am also very careful not to wear my work logo clothing when I am preaching to in my activist role as that is against policy as well. It would imply I represent my employer in some way during the activity and I cannot do that.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Not a boy that decides oh today I think want to be a girl. Vice a versa. No.

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        Transgender people don't just decide one day to change their gender, they always feel that way and one day realize that the reason they feel that way is because they are transgender.

  1. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

    As a 70 year old ordained minister and a memeber of the LGBTQ community, I am ashamed to hear people who claim to follow any spiritual path show such disdain and outright hatred for those of us who do not fit your restrictive idea of gender or sexual orientation. If someone is asking you to refer to them by pronouns that make them feel included and recognized it is just a simple human act of respect to do so. Your beliefs have nothing to do with it. My name is mine and you call me by that becasue you recognize me by that tag. A pronoun is the same. Nothing more. It is not your choice to decide. Get down off your soap box and let people be who they wish to be. It is not yours to judge, that duty belongs to the higher power.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      You got time to goof around with 68 pronouns Rev Bobbie? Keep track of who's what it get slammed and fired?

      I don't and I won't. He she. They/them are reserved for the possessed.

      1. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

        Actually I would say that I have the time to do my best to address people in the way they wish to be addressed. A hand outstretched, and olive branch, a way of connecting. These are more important then whether I personally feel comfortable with a pronoun. Finding any way to connect with others is paramount to having fruitful conversation. Being a rock in the stream that will not move will eventually turn to sand and be washed away..

  1. Johnny Dale Crawley's Avatar Johnny Dale Crawley

    English teachers need to teach English, not some made up extra gender language.

  1. Andraste's Avatar Andraste

    Wrong.

  1. Roy S. Thorpe's Avatar Roy S. Thorpe

    That pronouns thing is a load! Is everyone turning into gutless wonders these days? Isn't it about time to boot these crybabies to the curb! Are more and more of the inmates running the asylum? These people are cramming their Wackadoodle thinking into stupid laws! And they're teaching that to our young! And kids will believe anything!

    1. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

      Good Christian Values on display. Judge not.....

  1. Bernie James Rocheleau's Avatar Bernie James Rocheleau

    While I am respective of pronoun preferences, I do wish they would have come up with something other than "they/them" as it can be quite grammatically confusing. I work with trans kids a lot and I often have to ask if they are referring to themselves as an individual or do they mean a group of people.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Bernie, that's the exact reason I won't entertain the whole mess. Nope.

      Once you start demanding a plurality for a singularity, I push the red button.

      Nope.

    2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      I can usually tell from context when someone is using the singular they/them or plural they/them with general ease so I don't mind it, personally, though I can understand how it could be confusing for some. The singular they/them/theirs isn't something new though, it's been around since the 14th century.

      https://esl.uchicago.edu/2021/06/29/singular-they-a-users-guide/

    3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

      I get it. In Texas and throughout the Deep South, I've had the same problem with Y'all, even after living there for 30+ years..

  1. Donald V. Dunham's Avatar Donald V. Dunham

    As someone ordained through this church, I approach this issue with pastoral gravity rather than political instinct.

    Public education exists to form minds, not to become the battleground for unresolved cultural and metaphysical debates. When matters of identity, conscience, and compelled speech enter the classroom, we are no longer discussing simple policy, we are discussing the limits of institutional authority over both students and teachers.

    Scripture reminds us in 1 Corinthians 14:40 that “all things should be done decently and in order.” Order requires clarity about the role of a school and the role of the family. It also requires humility from all sides.

    Christ consistently demonstrated two truths that must never be separated: unwavering conviction and radical compassion. “Speak the truth in love,” Paul writes in Ephesians 4:15. Truth without love becomes harshness. Love without truth becomes confusion.

    The question before us is not whether people deserve dignity, they do. The question is whether schools are being asked to carry moral responsibilities that rightly belong first to families and communities.

    Mature faith does not panic, but it also does not surrender discernment. When institutions begin shaping language itself, thoughtful believers are right to ask where the boundaries should be.

    This is not about fear. It is about stewardship, of conscience, of children, and of the integrity of both education and faith.

  1. Michael Dwayne Cooper's Avatar Michael Dwayne Cooper

    Religion has nothing to do with pronouns. The distraction is stupid. He is for a male and she is for a female. I'm told there over fifty of these so call gender types and I don t think someone should be fired over not using them. I don t understand these other gender types myself. I don t think you should be called by what you kink is! Someone who likes someone of the same sex is a homosexual. If its two homosexual guys they are still both male. Duh!

    1. Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox's Avatar Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox

      You are correct that religion has nothing to do with pronouns. The rest of your argument is easily proven false by none other than education and science.

    2. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

      I find it beyond ridiculous that some people complain about how many pronouns there are that you might have to learn or use. That is a false flag. All you need to do is call one person by the pronoun they choose to use. not fifty or sixty-five, just one. If that is too difficult for you then it is your issue not theirs.

  1. Steven Ferrell's Avatar Steven Ferrell

    So we no longer have true freedom of speech in America anymore if it goes against the LBGXYZ alphabet group. You either comply with their sin, or lose your job, your livelihood, your own rights.
    It is sad that if you don’t comply with sin, you are punished.

    1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      If I was your boss and I continued to call you Sally instead of Steven, how would you feel? Would this create a hostile working environment for you?

    2. Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox's Avatar Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox

      So I can call you the same disgusting “names” that I often refer to the orange clown as and you are 100% OK with that. Good to know, looking forward to bullying you, disregarding your “humanity” and others of the same ilk as tRUMP! Thank you for recognizing the flaw in your “thinking!”

      1. Minister Rob's Avatar Minister Rob

        so, you agree with calling people names???

        " So I can call you the same disgusting “names” that I often refer to the orange clown as and you are 100% OK with that. Good to know, looking forward to bullying you, disregarding your “humanity” and others of the same ilk as tRUMP! "

        By spelling OUR President's name that way (if you live in USA) and also admitting that you refer to calling ANYONE with derogatory names / comments that way, it seems that you ARE OK with it.....

  1. Danny Adrian Baker's Avatar Danny Adrian Baker

    It's not up to us to Judge what a person chooses for a pronoun. Only God's Judgement is what matters.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      And what do you think what God thinks of this world today? How screwed up it has become. But he will let us take care of this ourselves.

  1. Ronaldo's Avatar Ronaldo

    In the past, "woman" meant "female" in all common usage, and "man" meant "male". Pronouns followed these definitions. Today, "woman" means "female" or the illusion thereof, and likewise with "man". The dictionaries have been changed to reflect these newer definitions, and pronouns are defined as relating to gender rather than biological sex. By accepting these new definitions, a Christian is neither lying nor going against God's will by using pronouns based on gender.

    1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

      Ronaldo, you are correct about "woman" and "female," but in the past "man" was often meant to mean ALL people (humanity, for example). PoliceMAN, FireMAN, and in the Constitution, "all 'men' are created equal'" (Bad example, because in the constitution all men actually meant the male of the species), but there are a lot of scriptures that outright said, or were translated to say "men" when it actually meant "humanity."

  1. Walter Stanley Grudzinski's Avatar Walter Stanley Grudzinski

    Sexual preferences do not belong in the classroom. However, teaching the correct subjects to enable students to be successful in their lives does belong in the classroom.

    1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

      Gender is NOT a sexual preference.

  1. Rev Ned's Avatar Rev Ned

    If the teacher is a true “Christian”, the teacher will use the pronouns the person prefers. If the teacher is a “Christofascist” he/she won’t.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      These kids should not get their way when this acti g out is not normal. Good for the teacher. They need to start standing up for themselves like the teachers used to instead of being afraid to say anything.

      1. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

        Pamela, I do not doubt your sincerity. I suspect you have not been exposed to many kids who are NOT presenting themselves as cis-gender, heterosexuals. I also suspect many of them do so out of fear of retaliation in whatever circles you know them from. I have a number of friends who transitioned from one gender to another. They are the exact same person they were before transitioning. However, now they no longer have to feel like they are hiding exactly who they are. This includes my ex-wife, who is now very happy as a man. He is also a good and trusted friend to our family. So hang out with some of these kids, but do so with an open mind. It may surprise you.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Uh, no.

  1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

    Just what we need, MORE protests.

  1. William E Muldrew's Avatar William E Muldrew

    I think if people want you to honor their personal sex preferences they shouldn't indulge in public places that don't. They have the right to be and do what they want but don't put it on the next person's plate to deal with.

    1. Cyndi McReynolds's Avatar Cyndi McReynolds

      Public places like libraries, parks, hospitals, schools and city sidewalks ?

      How about keeping people with downs syndrome out of public view to avoid ignorant people from calling them the r word? Maybe wheelchair bound people should stay at home so as not to be faced with overcoming the hardships of a world that wasn't built for them.

      I'm old enough to remember when people of color had seperate facilities. There were signs all over town reading "Whites Only". Would you like to go back to that practice?

      Bigotry is weapon no matter who it's aimed at.

      Trans kids have the right to attend public schools without insults from small minded people, just like any other child, regardless of race, religion or or sexual orientation. They deserve to be treated with dignity, kindness and respect just as any other child.

      How would you feel if you had to avoid public places because the color of your eyes made people uneasy and inclined to tell you to your face that you deserved to be excluded?

      Trans kids have to overcome enough barriers caused by their medical condition. They shouldn't be shunned as well.

      Why shouldn't the rest of the world need to understand that we are our brother's keepers and must begin learning to exhibit common human decency?

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        God made these people this way, handicapped, these others did this to themselves through freedom of speech which is the wild card they always throw out there. Then they cry discrimination. It's becoming a sick sick world.

      2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        And look how these people of cor you call them act these days. They think everyone is against them and play the discrimination card. If they are stopped by the cops why do they get out of their car and run or pull a weapon on the police.

        1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

          Those are some pretty racist stereotypes you're holding on to. Are you really going to honestly say that people of color do not face discrimination in our society? This presidential administration has told ICE agents that they can racially profile people to try and find people to deport, which has lead to multiple US citizens being arrested and detained because they were assumed to be undocumented due to the color of their skin.

          1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

            The ones that are here illegally. We shouldn't have to take care of them we have our own people that are not getting taken care of. We do not need any more people coming or brought to this country. Look where that has gotten us. And as for the people of color when they are stopped by police they never do what they are asked to do. They always run. WHY?

            1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

              Immigrants who are here legally are also being picked up in these raids. I certainly agree that we don't do enough to take care of Americans who are down on their luck, but undocumented immigrants contributed $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022 while being ineligible for government assistance programs. In other words, we're not taking care of undocumented immigrants despite their crucial contributions to our economy.

              https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

              https://www.epi.org/publication/unauthorized-immigrants/

              "And as for the people of color when they are stopped by police they never do what they are asked to do. They always run."

              This is absolutely false and, again, a racist stereotype. People of color are often following or trying to follow their orders, not universally running away. Additionally, law enforcement kills Black people at a rate 2.5 times higher than White people so I understand why some people might run out of fear.

              Tell me, was this Black man running away from ICE when they forcefully pulled him from his car and detained him despite the fact that he's a legal immigrant going through the legal immigration process?

              https://www.wwnytv.com/2026/01/23/sheriff-calls-out-ice-detaining-corrections-officer-recruit-he-was-squeaky-clean/

              Was this US citizen running from or disobeying orders when ICE broke down his door, held him at gunpoint, and detained him in freezing conditions wearing only his underwear?

              https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-forced-open-the-door-to-his-minnesota-home-and-removed-him-in-his-underwear-after-a-warrantless-search

              This man is a US born citizen and he was wrongfully detained twice by ICE despite showing them his Real ID as proof of citizenship.

              https://abcnews.com/US/us-born-citizen-sues-after-arrested-immigration-agents/story?id=126129734

              Over 170 US citizens have been wrongfully detained by ICE and many of them have recounted physical abuse by agents while in detention.

              https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

          2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

            Plus these people need to stay out of official acts. Stop the protests.

  1. Cyndi McReynolds's Avatar Cyndi McReynolds

    How about we flip the script here and allow everyone to call a cis male bigot Miss, Mrs., or a nice respectful "Ma'am", or maybe even "M' Lady"?

    How do you think they would handle being misidentified on a daily basis?

    Of course we should do the same for cis female bigots. The term M'Lard springs to mind. One would be hard pressed to find a more respectful title.

    I would love to see how they would like it if the shoe was on the other foot.

    Come on. Join me. We can start a movement. It'll be fun.

    Disclaimer: I have a transgender granddaughter, so I see this kind of disrespect a lot and am an advocate for the demystification of gender dismorphia. Gender dismorphia is a medical condition which is treatable by gender affirming medical care.

    Christians would never stand for someone using the r word to describe their child who was born with downs syndrome. Yet they offend Trans children every day without a second thought.

    "Because God made them as a boy or a girl" is an excuse to reject something that they don't understand.

    God created babies with congenital defects as well; heart defects, conjoined twins, neurological disorders, etc.. Using this same logic, should we deny them treatment and watch them suffer when we could improve the quality of their lives through medical intervention?

    God gave us the skills, knowledge and abilities to help these kids to grow into happy, healthy adults who have great things to offer this world. Why some people, not just Christians aren't willing to use those gifts from God to help Trans kids is beyond me.

    WWJD? Think about it.

    1. Barbara Harris's Avatar Barbara Harris

      Thank you Cyndi! My dearest friend, from my high school time, had two wonderful sons. I was visiting when her youngest was about 5. He loved playing with dolls and designing and making clothes for his dolls. He liked long hair and would wear a towel on his head so he could pretend to have long hair. The child psychologist advised her not to worry, that kids go through these phases.

      When he was 15 he set down with the family and told them he was gay. The gave him a huge group hug and told him they knew it since he was little.

      His mom passed away back in 2021 and at that time he explained to me that he felt like a dual person and that the pronoun of "they" made sense to him. Now having been a psychology major I explained that for me the reference of "they" usually went with split personalities. He explained that for him and others they identify both as there biological sex but also as someone of the opposite sex. There are times he will dress as a woman and others he will dress as a male. Just depends on how he feels that day. Through him I have meet so many of his friends and they are all such wonderful people. He has now become an amazing clothing designer. I would never think to disparage a person by not respecting the pronouns they wish to use. Anyone who doesn't honor their decisions is not honoring the spark that links us all. The love that is supposed to be in our hearts.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        But how did he find out that he had a problem? Through public and media. This wasn't heard of years ago and if they were this sick then they didn't flaunt it.

        1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

          Transgender people have been studied since the early 20th century. Scientists in Germany were gaining a better understanding of transgender people until the Nazis took power and burned all their work.

          Transgender persons are not new in our society, they're just able to be more public today than they were in the 1970s. They're not sick, they're misunderstood and discriminated against.

        2. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

          Why are you calling it a problem. It isn't. People have been like this through the centuries. If we can trust Homer, Achilles disguised himself as a woman and hid in a bordello so he wouldn't have to join Agamemnon and Menelaus in recovering Helen from Troy. This tells me he must have been fairly feminine in appearance already, and he was reported as bisexual. Cicero denounced the practice of cross dressing and homosexuality. Suetonius reported it. Lucian parodied it. Louis XIV's brother, Philippe cross dressed his entire life. Chevalière d'Éon was either a man who lived as a woman or a woman who lived as a man (still open for debate) who served as a spy for Louis XVI. Errol Flynn and Tyrone Power, two great womanizers of the mid 20th century cinema, were both bisexual, as were Randolph Scott and Cary Grant. The Hollywood moguls spent decades covering up the various affairs these men had. But, apart from wink, wink, nudge, nudge, no one commented on female stars with female lovers. It's only since the 20th Century that men who identified as women and women who identified as men had the option of transgender surgery to reverse the equipment. This is especially the case when folks are born with both sets of organs. In the past, the hospitals made the decision for the parents before even telling them, most commonly removing the penis and testicles of intersex children, forcing them to be female. So, it's been happening for centuries. It's been documented for centuries That you are only now noticing says more about you than about modern media. These kids are normal. It's just that they don't conform to some folks concept of "normal".

        3. John Robert Peters's Avatar John Robert Peters

          Well 1st they are not sick just because they differ in your world view. 2nd there have been lgbtq+ people since there were people. Some indigenous people recognize at least 6 genders and have for thousans of years. Christian orthodoxy is trying to blame media and schools for causing this although there is good scientific evidence of brain pattern differences in Trans and gay people. There have also been some studies of a genetic component. Basically it really only comes down to people using love, compassion, and tolerance for each other. Judge not and embrace each other regardless of differences.

          1. Joe R Day's Avatar Joe R Day

            Well written and Thank You...

        4. Andraste's Avatar Andraste

          Actually it's been 'a thing' for far longer. Long before television, actually. It was even a 'thing' in most cultures, though in Europe it was hidden due to Christianity's misinterpretation of one passage in the Bible, a book that was translated for King James, a known misogynist.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#:~:text=Accounts%20of%20transgender%20people%20(including,gender%2Dvariant%20people%20and%20identities.

          https://legacyprojectchicago.org/milestone/two-spirit-people

          Maybe educate yourself before you come on here spreading hate, misinformation and intolerance.

          I don't think he should have been fired, but respect is a two way street.

          1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

            So why did they have to bring this out. It's there problem deal with it.

            1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

              What's the problem, though?

              1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

                Because they don't get treated the way they want. If they would just shut up and go about their life the way you should then there wouldn't be any problems, but when you have to bring up that you are different and want to be treated a certain way and you dont, then deal with it. We all have problems and are not perfect but we all don't make a deal out of it, do we?

    2. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

      There’s male and female. There’s no “cis” anything. “They/them is plural for people. We don’t have to play along with other people’s mental illness. Get over yourselves.

      1. William Moses's Avatar William Moses

        “Someone left their umbrella here. I hope they come back before it rains.” Plural?

      2. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

        Brian, agreed. Cis is ridiculously silly.

        The term is the result of an entire group of ill people who refuse to be gendered, gendering people who don't buy into the gender madness.

        Hypocrisy in its most hilarious form.

        1. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

          Always hateful and biggoted, every post

      3. Pamela S. Angelini's Avatar Pamela S. Angelini

        I'm sorry that I accidentally gave you a vote, Brian. My hand brushed the voting symbol unintentionally. People have been ridiculed and bullied since man appeared in the world--for their coloring, weight, height (or lack thereof) and even for their name. People are disrespectful. I was a pretty blonde when I was young, with the last name Angel. I was often called by my last name along with the very original comment (which I had heard a thousand times) "I bet you're really a little devil." It was said as a joke, but it got old fast and I learned to say (sarcastically) with a raised eyebrow, "I bet you actually think that was original." I defended the victims of name calling by quietly saying something to the bully to shut them down. For kindness's sake, call people what they want and need to be called. How hard is that? We're all different. I would have given that teacher a little whispered comment. My tongue can be a lethal weapon when used for good.

      4. Ari Joseph Bertine's Avatar Ari Joseph Bertine

        "Cisgender" is a scientific term. It literally means someone who senses themselves to be the gender their body reflects. No one made it up to be political or social, it has been a scientific term for many decades because transgender people have been studied by medical science for many decades. "Cis" is Latin for "on the same side" and it is also used in chemistry and geography. Scientists use words with precise meanings so that they can have clear discussions with other scientists and know precisely what is being described.

        1. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

          Normal people don’t use the word cis when addressing someone. All this garbage started over clearly masculine men in dresses wanting to be called miss or ma’am. Sorry, not happening from most of us…and it’s ok that we don’t want to play along.

          1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            Who uses "cis" when addressing someone? Cisgender is used in scientific conversations, not social ones.

    3. James Trenton Smith's Avatar James Trenton Smith

      Why not keep your mental illness to yourself and stop requiring that everyone participate in your "Emperors New Cloths" level charade. My preferred pronouns are to call you a she/her - whether YOU like it or not.

      WWJD - He would not lie either...

      1. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

        James, every major psychological association says it is not a mental illness. I think I’ll believe their opinions because they’ve studied this for decades. Your assertion is an opinion—not based on scientific data available today.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          It's definitely not a mental illness, it's a society illness.

          1. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

            That is your unqualified opinion. I’ll leave this to the professionals on this one.

      2. Pamela S. Angelini's Avatar Pamela S. Angelini

        You spelled clothes wrong.

      3. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        This should never be called a mental illness. It's more of a calling for attention problem.

    4. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

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      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        There's male, female, and intersex when it comes to biological sex. Gender is how we express ourselves to others and while cisgender people's gender aligns with their biological sex, transgender people do not. It is not a mental illness because being transgender does not cause mental distress. The distress they experience is caused by people discriminating against them and calling them mentally ill because they are transgender.

    5. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Cindi,

      WWJD?

      What would Jesus do if a soul he met demanded to be called Jesus The Christ, Creator of the Cosmos, Son of God and Savior of Man, Sinless Before God and son of the Virgin named Mary?

      WWJD?

      1. James Riggle-Johnson's Avatar James Riggle-Johnson

        He would probably say, "You go gurl."

      2. Ari Joseph Bertine's Avatar Ari Joseph Bertine

        False equivalence.

      3. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

        Since Christ never gave himself any of these title he would most likely not care. Only the people who have set themselves up as the gatekeepers of morality make such comments

      4. Pamela S. Angelini's Avatar Pamela S. Angelini

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  1. Christine Noel Kennedy's Avatar Christine Noel Kennedy

    Okay well there is the fact that the word THEY has been taken your not two or more people your one human male, female, one type person now if you want to spesify whom you are then you must say what you are " transgender " as this is one person two genders. It just make sense to call this gender of person trans or transgender , if trangender people are looking to have a title that's what it should be. "They" refers to everybody and not everybody is transgender, so think about the what makes sence?

    1. Elizabeth Kulacz's Avatar Elizabeth Kulacz

      "They", and other forms such as "Their", "Theirs", "Them", has been used to refer to one person of either sex, or an unknown sex at least since Shakespearean times. This is "proper" English and is far from a new thing.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        Yes, if used in the proper sentences and multiple people, not just 1 person.

    2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      It's still wrong and forbidden under God's eyes. He didn't make them they. He made Him or Her. No body change. That shows disrespect to God. But this isn't new they show disrespect to everyone then they use the discrimination card.

      1. Ari Joseph Bertine's Avatar Ari Joseph Bertine

        Pretty arrogant of you to presume you speak for God. People are born blind, deaf, with internal organs on the outside of their skin, conjoined to twins, and no one screams that it's sinful to use modern medical knowledge to treat those people. Jesus himself healed people of conditions they were born with. Was Jesus saying God made a mistake, or was he modeling compassion and care for others like he was constantly talking about?

        Transgender people are born transgender, and modern medicine has figured out that the best way to keep those people alive is to let them be the gender their brain, the physical organ in their skull, says they are. This is no different from someone being born with any other condition that doctors can treat. It is not disrespectful to God to acknowledge a struggle he has given someone and help heal them. It's very disrespectful to ignore Jesus's examples and think that God agrees with your ignorance just because you don't know how something works, though.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          The people you talk about in your 1st paragraph, are people that have a medical problem and some need fixed right away or they will die. Cutting off a man's penis just to change into a female is all social. How many on here commenting are he-shes, or she-hes?

  1. Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan's Avatar Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan

    Grammar is grammar, he, she, and they are all forms of grammar.

    If Andrew prefers to be called Andy, and Francesca prefers to be Frankie.I would call them what they prefer to be called it is called common decency and common respect. Refusal to do this, I feel constitutes disrespect, and abuse.

  1. Reverend Paula Copp's Avatar Reverend Paula Copp

    You’re all entitled to your opinions, as am I. For the moment, we still have freedom of speech. I want people to be comfortable in their own skin, so it’s none of my business what you are… nor is it anyone else’s! For the christians in the room… Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      But they are acting like God made a mistake when they were made.

      1. Reverend Paula Copp's Avatar Reverend Paula Copp

        That’s because the gods don’t always get it right…

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          How many Gods do you have? Not the one and only.

      2. Barbara Harris's Avatar Barbara Harris

        Pamela, I have to agree with Reverend Paula Copp. If the gods always got it right would there be autism, cystic fibrosis, childhood cancer or people like you who just want to hurt and disparage others that you don't like or agree with.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          God gives us what he knows we can handle

        2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Yes God does make illnesses, otherwise the population would be overloaded. But he doesn't want you to change the body he made for you.

          1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            So people born missing a limb shouldn't get prosthetics? That's changing the body God made for you.

            1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

              No that's adding to his perfection.

              1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                So prosthetics are adding to God's perfection, but a male presenting themselves as a woman is an affront to God?

                If someone has to have a mastectomy due to breast cancer, they're changing the body God gave them too. So are people who get breast implants. There's never been outrage against those people, but transgender people are "mentally ill" because they like dressing as a gender that doesn't align with their biological sex.

              2. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

                Michael,

                I agree with you and Pamela. If "fixing" a missing limb is "adding to his perfection, so is gender affirming care.

            2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

              Yes getting prosthetics is something to help you thrive. Cutting off your penis to become a women is changing his perfection. Because you want to, people that loose a limb usually is not by choice

              1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                Gender affirming care, which doesn't always include surgeries, has been shown time-and-time again to significantly increase transgender patients' happiness levels and decrease rates of suicide. I know a number of transgender individuals and every single one is thriving now as their preferred gender compared to previous unhappiness. It was not a transgender person's choice to be born the sex that is opposite of the gender they identify with just as it's generally not a person's choice to lose a limb. The only difference is that you don't believe transgender peoples' existence to be valid.

      3. Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox's Avatar Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox

        Untrue. If they believe in god, they must believe she made no mistakes in creating human beings all along the gender spectrum.

        How does one determine the “gender” of human beings that are born intersex? Are they a “mistake” or an “error?”

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          I think that is something that should be talked about as the child gets older until the child leans more to one side.

    2. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

      It (trans and gender theory) is an ideology not unlike religion. You choose to believe it and follow it's rules and rituals or you don't. If a school choses to demand subjecting yourself to a belief that only 10% of America believes in, that makes it a religion based institution. That school as a Faith based institution should not be federally funded in any way. The same goes for those Texas schools pushing class bible study. Gender identity is an unproven theory like Jewish space lasers. This school as a private faith based entity can enforce such rules on a teacher, not as a public school. Why should every student in the class be affected by unsensible pronouns, when the teacher can simply use their last name or "you" or "that" student in its place? Their school registered name and sex from their birth certificate is their legal identifier, not the nickname they've chosen. Special accommodations should be made for the handicapped, but trans is a normal condition according to their followers. Any doubts refer to "The Trans Manual" it lays it all out in a simplified form.

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        Gender theory has data and scientific studies to support the theory. Religions require faith in the absence of any hard evidence or data to support a belief. Gender theory is not comparable to a religion.

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6677266/

        1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

          Cass report says otherwise, your scientific studies are only referenced when it agrees with your philosophies. When peer reviewed by Johns Hopkins the results were not what what what your believers wanted to hear so you buried it same way the Catholic church burned the Alexandrian library. Never in the history of medicine has a condition been determined to be incurable with no attempt to treat it. Only the symptoms. The reason being the people with the illness want to be assisted in their beliefs.

          1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

            Robert, Do you have a reference to the Journal this Johns Hopkins Peer reviewed report was published in? I would like to see what you're talking about, becase most of what you've said here doesn't make a lot of sense. What "incurable condition" are you talking about and how does it relate to the topic at hand?

            1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

              https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-10-dispute-group-involvement-trans-health.pdf

              1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

                A quote from the report: "WPATH denied prohibiting the team from publishing, but documents reveal there was concern among guideline authors that independent appraisals of the evidence would put them "in an untenable position" to protect affirming interventions from legislative restriction in minors."

                In other words they were trying to block publishing the report for political reasons, because the results of the data did not agree with their political positions.

              2. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

                Not political reasons, because the findings were counter to their claims of evidence base treatment. The same treatment that would be halted for good medical reasons. Maybe you misspoke or just subconsciously admitted it’s true.

          2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            The Cass report has also been criticized in peer review for having methodological flaws and misrepresentation of evidence. Even then, the Cass report only questions the safety of medical transitioning for minors, not the existence of transgender people nor the validity of gender theory.

            https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12065279/

            The problem you keep getting caught up on is this idea that being transgender is a problematic "illness" that needs to be treated like a disease would be. It would be the same as thinking homosexuality needs to be cured.

            1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

              Two different animals that should never be equated. LGB is simple attraction, you like what you like. True transsexualism is severe anxiety that comes with facing the reality of the sexual biology you were born with. One is a dissociative condition, which looked at as such would make it still listed as a mental illness. The word play used by deconstructing the word gender, then elevating identity as a physical force with substance only exists for those that believe it. Making it faith based, especially with all of the questionable evidence WPATH promotes. Who doubts the Cass report, Trans activists and WPATH followers. Adults can make informed decisions though mental stability of of someone displaying abnormal behavior should be suspect. Children don't have that capacity. If it's a fetish just say so, don't say you're born with another sexes brain with no solid proof. You just don't remember when your fetish started, or fantasy took hold. Is it sensible to believe any condition so bazaar is incurable or normal because a lesser segment of the population believe it is? The same segment that refuse to accept any opinion that contradicts theirs?

      2. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        Robert,

        Gender is more fluid than you imagine. Have you ever had feelings or talents more "normal" for the female gender than male? Most men I know have shown compassion, learned how to cook, helped rear their children, and even cried at a sad event (funeral of a loved one, or a scene in a sad movie). If you're too much of a "manly man" to have done any of these, then you are missing out on what it means to be truly human.

        The social construct of gender is being redefined, because technology and the social order has outgrown the "two box" theory. As a society, we are discovering that women are more than "baby making machines," and are required to work in this economy because it is now impossible to survive when only one person is "bringing home the bacon." It's called progress, and it may not be pretty for some, but it is better than the alternative.

        1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

          I've done all of the above and more. Always treated women with respect and supported them in any way reasonable. But you are referring to real women. The word gender was once interchangable with sex, since the word sex was considered vulgar by some. This gender movement or progressive if you wish, denies that reproduction is binary. Suddenly men and women are not descriptive words with any value, only a suggestion. This is intentional so they can create their own boxes and change the label at any time to their benefit. This creates avatars in their game that they expect everyone else to play. But, homey don't play that.

          1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

            Robert,

            It's too bad you think that way. My identity goes way beyond my fertility and the role I play in the procreation process. You admit to having traits that are often associated with the female of the species, yet you refuse to accept the fluidity of gender. Things have changed significantly since I was born in the mid 20th Century, and I can't think of a time or era I want to return to. Can you? The world, this country included, has progressed signficantly. There have been challenges, but I'd rather live with the conveniences we have today, that I couldn't even imagine as a child. While the current challenges in this country have me dismayed, I cling to the hope that this too, shall pass. Things can't get better if things don't change. Think about that one.

            1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

              Gender in its traditional form is not fluid, it reflects the different attributes each sex exhibits most prominently. There is no line in the sand. Does a man expressing love or empathy make him feminine? I think not. Now peoples fickle minds can be fluid on the linier field of gender between the two extremes. I just find it curious that some find the necessity of imitating the opposite sexes traditional gender association while claiming their title (man or woman). It's scientifically impossible to change your sex so it must be fantasy, disillusionment, or mental illness. But it is not normal, even at 1.2 percent, which way over half are self identified not clinically confirmed.

              1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

                Robert,

                You nailed one thing, and that was using the phrase "most prominently." The problem is, that when anyone does not have one of those prominent traits, but instead one of the other, they are ridiculed and treated as something that is diseased. Don't believe me, just go back and read all the comments on this topic. Men wearing dresses and women wearing jeans or coats and ties. Men crying are considered "weak" and women having leadership skills are marked as the "B" word.

                There are lines in the sand, and if you don't believe that, walk out of the house in stilletos one day and see how far you get without someone calling you something derogatory. Hug your best [male] friend and watch the eyeborws raise. Wear a dress to work one day, and see what people say. Women faced that every day until the 1970s after the feminist movement conviced fashion to include womein in pants. To this day, however, a man can wear the same suit to work every day, but if a woman wears the same thing as the day before (uniforms excluded), someone is going to say something, and heaven forbid if someone else comes in wearing the same thing.

                Gender and sex, however are two different things. I've explained it several times already, so I won't do it again. If you're curious, just search for my name and it is fairly colse to the top of this thread.

              2. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

                Just published a book on the subject, yeah I know the difference with a different depth than yourself. The clothing thing you mentioned is more a female judgement. Women judge by clothes, shoes, style etc, it’s their competitive and judgmental instinct. I dress how I like (comical tee shirts) and screw what anyone likes or thinks. I would never demand anyone respect my style or cowtow to my view of myself.

              3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

                I presume this is the book called "The Trans Manual" with a picture of a man in a lab coat with a stethoscope around his neck and a clipboard clutched to his chest with SOC on the front.

                I also presume this is the same book that looks like a scientific report, at first glance, but one peek inside the cover there is a huge disclaimer that there is no scientific or professional endorsement It goes on to say that it is only written based on "simple observation," not scientifc study. So how many non-binary or transgender people did you interview for this book, since it was simple observations and not a scientific study, my guess was your "observatios" were from a distance or taken from other people's opinionated observations?

                It also states that "perception is often an opinionated observation tained with bias." Considering your views on homosexuality in other books (written by the same author in Amazon's list), I think I know where the bias in your case lies. By the way, you can thank Amazon's free peek at the first couple of pages for convincing me that I will pass on both books.

                I did some considerable research (of the peer-reviewed scientific kind) on the subject for classes in my Doctorate of Human Services program, so don't disparage what I know on this topic. I also have lived experience within the community and know what it is like to look different than what you are, (even though I identify with my genetic makeup and genetalia I am often mis-gendered).

                If there is someone publishing on Amazon masquerading with your same name, please let me know, or better yet, go there yourself ad report them.

  1. Colleen McAllister's Avatar Colleen McAllister

    It is respectful to call someone by their preferred name or pronoun. Referring to a biological he as a she does not change who they are but will make them more comfortable. Nor does it show your approval of their lifestyle. It simply is acknowledging that they have the right to be respected as a person.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Name yes. Pronoun that skirts instinctual thinking, no.

      You have to rewrite the natural to fulfill the delusional. A pause in speech occurs. If a room of 20 has 7 that want opposite pronouns or custom pronouns, one is required to track everybody's name plus pronoun. Some pronouns change from day to day. No. Now it's a game. No.

      If we worked together how would you like to call me Servant Of Judgement all day or else get fired? No.

  1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

    NO!! This kind of stuff needs to stay away from our kids schools, churches and in the public. Since all this crap has started it has done nothing but confuse kids. Some even consider themselves as cats and want litter boxes in the bathrooms. This crap is messing these kids up and who knows what this world will be like when they hit age 20. Hate to even think. MALE/FEMALE. That's it.

    1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      "Some even consider themselves as cats and want litter boxes in the bathrooms."

      This is not at all true. This is a conservative hoax meant to turn people against the transgender community by painting them as so unreasonable that they want litter boxes.

      Kids are not confused by gender, in fact they have a much better understanding of it than we do in many cases, and it is not messing them up. Social media and unlimited access to screens and the internet are doing so much more damage to children than transgender people.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        No this is not a hoax this really was happening at a middle school for the last 2 years. It also happened from a cat want ta be at a local Walmart when some smaller kid was looking at this idiot when it suddenly hissed and lunged like a mad cat does. IT'S NO HOAX. Get caught up. Some of these kids are really screwed up.

        1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

          What middle school did this occur at then? If it's not a hoax, the school this occurred at would be documented.

          As far as a person hissing and lunging at someone like a cat might, that's by no means an indication that someone is a furry or even wanting to be a cat. Regardless, this too I can find zero evidence that it actually occurred.

          I have, however, found numerous articles from local news outlets across the country that thoroughly debunk this litter box hoax.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439

          https://www.edweek.org/leadership/litter-boxes-in-schools-how-a-disruptive-and-demeaning-hoax-frustrated-school-leaders/2022/11

          https://dailymontanan.com/2023/08/24/montana-education-chief-claims-evidence-of-litterboxes-in-schools-department-provides-none/

          https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/no-evidence-of-schools-accommodating-furries-with-litter-boxes-idUSL1N31J1KT/

          https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/litter-box-cat-students-quebec-hoax-1.6832710

          Again, this is a conservative hoax meant to turn people against the transgender community by painting them as so unreasonable that they want litter boxes.

      2. Sir Lionheart's Avatar Sir Lionheart

        Of course you see it as a conservative hoax.

        🦁❤️

        1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

          It's a lie being perpetuated by conservative media and politicians, therefore it's a conservative hoax. I don't know how else you could describe it.

          1. Sir Lionheart's Avatar Sir Lionheart

            That’s totally okay Michael. You are welcome to believe whatever you want to believe, as am I. As the old adage says: The proof of the pudding……”

            The next three years will determine how successful this administration really has been. I think the reality is, it couldn’t be any worse than the previous one, whoever was really running the country back then. You will more than likely disagree with that statement so we will just have to see in three years time. 🤭

            Notice how the Dow Jones closed at 50,000 last Friday. That was the highest ever recorded in the United States history, and we still have 3 years to go. DJT is predicting it could reach 100,000 by the end of his stewardship. Let’s hope he is right, it’s what our economy needs to add one more data point towards making America great again.

            🦁❤️

            🦁❤️

            1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

              "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" is an English proverb meaning the quality, value, or truth of something can only be judged by testing or experiencing it firsthand, rather than relying on appearances or promises. What this has to do about you believing something proven to be untrue I have no idea.

              Also, what does this have to do with the current or previous presidential administration? Are you trying to say that because the stock market closed at a record high, they can spread lies about litter boxes in schools without criticism?

              I understand you're not an economist but the stock market is not the sole indicator of a successful economy. Currently we're in a K-shaped economy where the wealthiest are getting wealthier and the poor are getting poorer while the middle class shrinks. In such an economy, it makes sense for the stock market to be doing well because the vast majority of those invested in the stock market are those with the most money. The wealthiest 1% of Americans account for more than half of the stocks owned by individuals and the top 10% account for 87%. Additionally, the Dow Jones is currently being propped up by tech and AI companies and much like the .com bubble bursting in the 1990s and 2000s, the AI bubble is going to burst soon too which would cause serious problems in the stock exchange.

  1. Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon's Avatar Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon

    To force people to say the fascist party line is first goose step towards the concentration camps. However, on the genders issue; my scripture faith aside, there are only three genders in nature; 1) Male has X chromosomes. 2) Female has Y chromosomes. 3) Hermaphrodite has both X&Y chromosomes. These is scientific fact that can't be changed. You can change the package but not the chromosomes. "in nature there are only two genders for one purpose, reproduction. The pleasure is a side effect." - Dr. Carl Jung

    1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      Gender is not biological sex. They are two different things.

      Also, I cannot find anything that attributes the quote you provided to Dr. Jung.

    2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon we know there are far more than just 3 types of genders if you would like to use Chromosomes. Currently there are 27 different genders. We also know the Y sex chromosome isn't what determines if one has a penis or not.

      Why do you quote Dr. Carl Jung? He's been dead for over 65 years. Don't you thing in the 65 years since his death we have learned so much more?

    3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

      Sorry, but the sex chromosomes line up as XX=female, XY=male. There are also those that carry multiple extra sex chromosomes which may or may not cause intersex. Sometimes the genitals just do not align with the chromosomes, which is where you get other anomalies.

  1. Dr. Zerpersande, NSC's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande, NSC

    People have nicknames. Robert gets called Rob, Robbie, Bob and even Dick. But those are ‘standard’ nicknames. A guy at my high school was on the football team and had the nickname Flash. Would it be wrong if he insisted that a teacher called him Flash?

    Pronoun nicknames, who cares? Except for me I’d probably make mistakes and that would be a litmus test for the situation as far as I’m concerned. If I forgot you used the wrong pronoun, and the kid flipped out, well sorry but I’d probably start to ‘forget’ more often. But if the kid accepted the fact that I’ve been using those pronouns all my life and simply couldn’t just change 100%, then I’d probably do the opposite and make more of an effort.

    But in general, I agree with the court. The teacher needs to suck it up and stop living in La La Land?

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Isn't a pronoun of Xor and Xem lalla land?

      The trouble with people who teach is they place themselves in a position of superiority with life as they are with their students. However, that doesn't carry over with day to day logic or living.

      There's no room for obscure unstandard pronouns in electrical theory. We don't allot memory space for customized identity syndrome in programmable logic controller courses. The very foundation of logic denies the existence of anything that isn't a 1 or a 0 at base.

      There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

      1. Dr. Zerpersande, NSC's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande, NSC

        Additionally…. “ The trouble with people who teach is..”

        The trouble with religiously delusional individuals is that they don’t understand that they aren’t qualified to speak about ‘day to day logic’ and when they attempt to do so they are speaking from the alternate orifice.

        1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

          I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this Z but someone has to.

          You don't have the education required to fully comprehend a self creating universe that spawned better than flawless self creating life.

          Nobody does.

          Friend, you're forced to believe something you can't comprehend and can't prove. I wish it weren't true, I wish you didn't have to believe what your science preacher told you because you're too scientifically illiterate to understand yourself. I wish you could show me your magic space dust and Big bang in a bottle.

          You have to do the same thing I have to do. Boil all the things we don't know and don't understand to a couple simpleton words. Big bang, evolution and creation.

          You are a True Believer in the purest form. Indeed, a street preacher shouting from whatever orifice you can to insult the infidels the most.

          1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            That's quite the assumption to make, first of all, for someone who I'm fairly certain you don't know. Secondly, just because you lack the education and intelligence to comprehend the Big Bang Theory doesn't mean everyone is that lacking that education and intelligence. There's thankfully a number of scientists who have been studying the creation of the universe for decades and they've been able to observe and document the changes happening over time in our universe to lead to the theory of the Big Bang. It's not a theory based wholly one 1 ancient text supposedly written under divine inspiration, it's decades of observations and testing that point to the theory being correct, or at least our best understanding as to how it may have happened.

          2. Dr. Zerpersande, NSC's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande, NSC

            You know how sometimes you see a meme, a portion of a video clip or a comment that makes you have a true gut laugh? You truly, and enthusiastically, laugh out loud?

            Your post above did that. Thanks very much for the laugh. It was a good way to start my morning. You should figure out a way to take this show on the road, bud.

      2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        Electrical theory isn't biology or gender expression...

      3. Dr. Zerpersande, NSC's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande, NSC

        Honestly don’t really grok your point. Pronouns rarely came up in my class. Partly because of something similar to what you rambled about. I’d address a student by name at times. But it would be rare for me to talk to a student about another person other than Boyle, Newton, Avagadro, or other scientist. I guess that I might refer to a student when talking to another teacher or administrator and if either of those insisted I use the preferred pronoun out of that person’s present I would tell them that they need to step out of the silly zone.

      4. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        SOJ,

        Isn't it unfortuate then, that very little in this world is truly binary. Think hair and skin colors, for example. The world is made up a a wonderful spectrum of color. Even those who are fully color blind can see shades of gray. Trust me, I have a degree in computer science, and I can count up to 1,111,111,111 in binary, or 1777 in hexadecimal on my fingers. That's a lot of shades of gray.

        1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

          Sorry - I'm a little rusty. 10 1s is 3FF in Hex. That's still a lot of shades of gray. 1,777 is septadecimal

  1. Sir Lionheart's Avatar Sir Lionheart

    We’ll be seeing next as “Educational Policies” that we need to provide doggie drinking bowls in the classrooms for children who want to identify as a “Pup”, and some children and adults do, believe me. We have the woke liberal left to thank (blame) for this. If we don’t comply they will jump up and down and scream like the spoiled children they are, making their facial jewelry and other facial hardware jingle. Are the liberal schools still supplying tampons in men’s bathrooms? 🤪

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    1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Exactly. Very well put. There are kids that think they are cats and want litter boxes in the bathrooms and sit and clean themselves during class and claws at another student who looks. They just want the hype and attention.

      1. Reverend Paula Copp's Avatar Reverend Paula Copp

        Nobody wants your attention; they want to be left to live in peace. Most people in the LGBT+ community don’t want anything to do with your bigoted beliefs… I know I don’t.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Then they should keep things to themselves. This has never been a problem until they started flaunting themselves.

          1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            Yes, it was a problem before the LGBTQ+ community was able to be public about who they love. They were discriminated against and even killed in some places just for being homosexual. It was even illegal to have the same legal rights to marriage as a heterosexual couple up until 2015.

            The problem now is that people with bigoted views want to force the LGBTQ+ community back into the closet and require them to hide their romantic relationships all to make bigots feel better.

            1. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

              There’s only male or female. Most of us don’t care what you do behind closed doors as long as it’s not with a minor or against someone’s will. Other than that, keep it to yourself.

              1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                But you do seem to care about what they are doing behind closed doors if you're fine with a heterosexual couple giving each other a kiss or holding hands in public but not okay with homosexual couples doing the same.

              2. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

                No I don’t. Small public displays of affection (kissing, holding hands etc) are ok whether it’s straight or gay. Full on making out, groping etc is not acceptable from anyone.

              3. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                Agreed. The problem is that there are many people who do believe that small displays of affection by homosexual couples are unacceptable for public display.

        2. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

          That's why lgbtqia++map have month long parades? Because they don't want any attention? That's why they all line up in front of everyone? Because they don't want the attention?

          Do you go to lgbtqia parades Paula?

          If yes, then you want attention. If no then you don't.

          Sometimes=want attention

          1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            I guess the annual 4th of July parade in my hometown is just for people who want attention then? It's not about celebrating the community, it's about personal fulfillment?

            Pride parades are not for attention, they're for celebrating a community's ability to live as themselves without discrimination or fear in public.

            1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

              Yes that's right Michael. Today business and politicians enter parades for advertisement. Everyone in the parade wants attention for what ever it is they're doing or selling. Churches join parades for the attention too. They want partitioners. Not anything necessarily wrong with that, it's a free country. Lgbtqia++ parades do not differ. All parades have people in them that want the attention of the onlookers.

              1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                You're speaking as though LGBTQ+ people have the same interests as businesses and politicians. Is the guy dressed up as Santa at Christmas parades looking for attention or is he doing it to celebrate the holiday with his community?

                How is someone who goes to watch a parade looking for attention? They can't want to celebrate with their community?

                Yes, there are those that have financial incentives to seek the attention a parade might give them, but saying the entire community is throwing parades for the sole purpose of attention seeking is an over-broad generalization and you're using it to demonize them.

                It's clear that you've never experienced the fear of being attacked physically or verbally or discriminated against for being public about who you love. Could you imagine seeing your spouse/partner and having to keep your feelings about them secret to the rest of the world out of fear you'll become a second-class citizen? If I ever went through that painful experience, I'd want to take a day to celebrate the fact that I no longer need to worry about being so afraid. That doesn't mean I want attention at all.

        3. Sir Lionheart's Avatar Sir Lionheart

          It doesn’t matter if you don’t want other members beliefs on here, everyone is entitled to their points of view, even if it differs from your own. Saying “nobody wants your attention” is not only very belittling, but not true, and typical of many on the left, which is really sad.

          I’m grateful for your comments, and also others like Pamela. It’s good to get an all round perspective on these topics to see how we all think.

          🦁❤️

        4. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          You call me a bigot? Ha. How many holy people do you know that is truly holy say this is ok. The word of God says in his book, no man shall lay with another man. Same for females. So you are saying His word is wrong? That's what you all are saying.

          1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

            The Bible also says don't eat pork or shellfish, wear clothes of two different fibres, and to stone a child to death for talking back. It also says you can't touch any woman during her menstrual period. So, I'll ask you, when was the last time you ate ham or shrimp, wore a polyester/cotton sweater, grounded your child for talking back instead of killing them, or handed a woman a tampon (being nice) when she didn't have one in a public restroom? Those laws are all in the same book (Leviticus) a the phrase you quoted, and the proper tranlation is not about man with man, it is man with boy (pedophelia, not homosexuality). King James got it wrong.

            1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

              Patricia,

              It's still a health risk to eat shelled fish, pork and the other foods the bible warned against. That hasn't changed.

              Clothes of different materials still wear and wash differently, that hasn't changed.

              Today our children stone parents when they don't get their way. That has changed.

              Finally, the Hebrew word used by the King James translators is indeed the word for an adult male, not a boy or child male. KJV got it right. You've bought into the wishful delusions of woke preachers and antichrist lgbtqia++ folks.

              1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

                SOJ,

                Leviticus outlines 900+ "laws," many of which are considered "abominations" that Chritians don't follow. They focus on the 10 commandments given to Moses and the two (love of God and neighbor) given by Jesus. It's only when things come up that they don't understand or want to disagree with that they start digging into areas that are no longer relevant in church doctrine or societal norms. The closest thing to a transgender person in the Bible is a Eunich (castrated male) as the technology for gender-affirming care wasn't developed until centuries later.

                So I take it you follow the Kosher laws, wear only 100 percent cotton, wool or silk, and duck or hide when your children get angry, and only because the Bible says so (by the way you got the part about the kids stoning the parents backwards from what the Bible demands you do).

          2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            Well the Bible isn't the word of God, it's writings of men who claimed to be divinely inspired. How do you know for certain that these men did not corrupt God's message for their own benefit?

            1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

              And how do you know that God didn't speak to them?

              1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

                I don't know for certain that he didn't, but I also don't know for certain if he did nor do I know if those he spoke to accurately transcribed his message. I don't know if Joseph Smith was truly divinely inspired as well. Maybe none of the Abrahamic faiths are true and Buddhism is.

        5. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

          Aaaand…we don’t care about your delusions. You are either biologically male or female. End of discussion.

    2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      Sir Lionheart in American schools there are times when students are forced to drink water out of bowls and use litter boxes. This occurs every time there is a school shooting and the school is in lockdown. Students are forced to shelter in the classroom can not leave for at our local school for 4 hours. Since every classroom does not have a drinking fountain or toilet student have the option of peeing or pooping in their pants or going in a garbage can full of cat litter.

      Unfortunately your a repeating the conspiracy lie an American Christian politician was spreading saying were choosing to use a litter box when they needed to go to the bathroom instead of a toilet. The truth is these student were forced to choose between going to the bathroom in the clothes or in a litter box in a classroom filled with students. The students teachers all had to do the same. And the young menstruating women were even in a more embarrassing situation.

      Sir Lionheart which one would you choose if you were in lockdown situation? Would you pee/poop in your pants? Or use a litter box?

  1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

    Customized pronouns is self worship with the expectation that others confirm the self worship of the delusional. No.

    To the whems, bems, thems, kems, zems, pems, hems, mems and flems, I respect you way too much to call you anything other than he or she. Come back, as quickly as you can.

    1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

      No, you don't respect them enough to accept their wishes, you only respect them if they adhere to your worldview.

  1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

    To me, this is an issue of respecting the child's identity. She doesn't need to agree with the child, but if she's intentionally using pronouns the child has asked them not to use, they're creating a hostile learning environment for that child. This isn't a religious morality issue, it's an issue of respecting someone else's beliefs. If she can't do that, she shouldn't be a teacher.

    1. Reverend Paula Copp's Avatar Reverend Paula Copp

      As a retired professor, I appreciate your point of view!

      1. Rev. Donut's Avatar Rev. Donut

        Oops, I did not mean to give you a Thumbs Up.

        "Professor" of what? Where?

    2. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

      There’s 2 genders assigned at birth. That’s what I’m using and I don’t care if anyone disagrees.

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        The 2 genders were determined by politicians not God. As we know when God created you and everyone else you we all began life as a female.

        1. Brian Hand's Avatar Brian Hand

          What part of “assigned at birth” is confusing? This has nothing to do with if/if not there is a god. There are 2 genders/sexes. That’s it. Him or her. There are rare cases of hermaphroditism, but that is a scientific anomaly. Surgery can help once a choice is made if chosen, but internal genitalia takes precedence.

          1. Joe R Day's Avatar Joe R Day

            A quick search for: 'Questionable sex babies' provides this result.

            "Questionable Sex Babies Babies born with atypical genitalia, also known as ambiguous genitalia, may have external genitals that do not clearly fit into the male or female categories.

            "This condition can be caused by hormonal irregularities during pregnancy and may require treatment such as hormone therapy or surgery.

            "The prevalence of atypical genitalia is estimated to be about 1 in 4,500 births, and it is important to note that these babies are typically physically healthy.

            "The percentage of the population affected by atypical genitalia is approximately 1.7%, and over 90% of intersex children are assigned to the female gender."

            This info provides the rebuttal for "There are only 2 genders/sexes."

            Also, using the math it would seem that 1.7% of all US births (There were 3,622,673 births in the United States in 2024.) 61,585.42 babies who are BORN nongender specific!

            Douglas also states, "There are rare cases of hermaphroditism, but that is a scientific anomaly." No, it is NOT!

            "Hermaphroditism at birth refers to the condition where an individual is born with both male and female reproductive organs. This condition, also known as true hermaphroditism, is extremely rare in humans, affecting approximately 1 in 100,000 newborns. "It is characterized by the presence of both ovarian and testicular tissue within the same individual, which can manifest as a combined ovotestis or separate ovarian and testicular tissues."

            One in 100,000 means out of the 3.622 million babies, 1% of 3622673 = 36226.

            36.226 is the number of non-gender specific genitalia babies, in 2024 alone...

            Please adjust your thinking on this divisive subject. Hope this helps to understand...

        2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          God created a male then a female. No in betweens.

      2. Lady Mutt Cat's Avatar Lady Mutt Cat

        And sometimes they’re wrong. Ever hear of intersex?

        1. Joe R Day's Avatar Joe R Day

          Yes, I have heard of this term... "Intersex is an umbrella term for individuals born with biological sex characteristics, such as chromosomes, genitals, or hormones, that do not fit typical definitions of male or female. This includes variations in reproductive or sex anatomy that may be identified at birth or later in life. Importantly, being intersex is a naturally occurring variation in humans and is not considered a disease or condition." From Interactadvocates comes this definition.

      3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        Brian,

        Yes, Ma'am, you can call them whatever you want, but don't get offended when someone misgenders you. I identify with my sex assigned at birth, and get called bro and sir at least once a week, because I have short hair and a small chest. I simply politely correct them, until they want to call the genital police on me. Then I get a little bit testy.

      4. Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk's Avatar Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk

        Gender is not assigned at birth, sex is. While God did make Adam male and Eve female, it doesn't say that there are no other genders.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          He made man then made a female. What other gender is there besides the 2 he made?

    3. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      There should be no choice. You are born a MALE OR A FEMALE. That's how God made you so what people are really saying is God made a mistake. God made me a male but I want to be a female and vice-versa. Why do people think it's ok to mess with perfection. God doesn't make mistakes.

      1. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

        You need to close your KJV and dig deeper into more accurate translations of the Hebrew/Aramaic books that are NOT based on the Septuagint. Take a look at Judaism here, if you are going to use the Bible as your reference. Right in the beginning of Genesis, it has G_D making them "male-and-female in our image". That implies that G_D identifies as both - not uncommon among fertile crescent religions of the 2nd millennium BCE. The Talmud bases its teachings on deeper interpretations of the original Hebrew, and allows recognition of the following genders: 1. Cis-gender Male 2. Cis-gender Female 3. Male who identifies as Female 4. Female who identifies as Male 5. Male who identifies as Male and Female 6. Female who identifies as Female and Male 7. Individuals who do NOT identify as either gender.

        Prior to the 20th Century, folks in the third and fourth categories had no way to properly be recognized as what they ARE.

        THAT is based on physiology/psychology, and has nothing to do with sexual persuasions of the individuals. That opens up a whole different can of worms.

      2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        You can be born male, female, or intersex but that's only biological sex, not gender expression. Transgender people feel more comfortable expressing themselves as a gender that doesn't necessarily align with their biological sex. How do you know that God hasn't made them transgender and that's why they wish to appear in society that way? When intersex people are born, are they mistakes made by God? How about people born with cleft pallets or other physical deformities?

      3. Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk's Avatar Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk

        But people do make mistakes. Just because a man says something doesn't mean it's what God intended.

        Nothing in the Bible says there can only be two genders, just that God made Adam male and Eve female.

        1. Joe R Day's Avatar Joe R Day

          ~sigh~ 'God' has created humans, correct? If that is your belief, how do you figure that there are tens of thousands of babies born, in the US alone who have 'nonspecific genitalia'? How can you explain this fact?

          "Intersex is an umbrella term for individuals born with biological sex characteristics, such as chromosomes, genitals, or hormones, that do not fit typical definitions of male or female. This includes variations in reproductive or sex anatomy that may be identified at birth or later in life. Importantly, being intersex is a naturally occurring variation in humans and is not considered a disease or condition." "The Bible Says" and yet your supreme being allows humans to be born who have neither male nor female genitalia, or both? It would seem Cyril is not correct in the assessment of 'Only Two Sexes' created by god.

    4. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      Home school if these kids feel bad

      1. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

        This has nothing to do with the kids, and everything to do with a prospective teacher refusing to comply with the rules, regulations and code of conduct expected of all teachers in the district. No "Whataboutism" can say otherwise. You want the job, you follow the rules. You don't think the rules should apply to you. get a different job. What if this "Christian" teacher decided she could not teach Black children because of the Sin of Ham? What if this "Christian" teacher decided she could not teach Jewish or Muslim children because they couldn't be "saved"? What if this "Christian" teacher decided she could not teach children of Immigrants (legal or otherwise) because they aren't "real Americans"? Would you defend her then?

    5. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      Teachers above all should use proper textbook pronouns. Never saf foolishness to fulfill the whimsical delusional and fantasies of a child, let alone an adult.

      I was asked how I feel about having a furry in my classroom by my boss at to college. I told them I don't let animals in my classroom. Some other professor took on the poor soul.

      1. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

        Ahh, yes those furries who like dressing up in costumes are animals undeserving of your knowledge. Very on brand for you, ServantOfJudgement.

        1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

          Michael, there's no place in the professional world for an adult acting like an animal. College is a professional setting and public school is prep for the professional world.

          The mentally deranged can fulfill their fantasy at home.

          1. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

            Except in this specific case we are talking about elementary school children. When my wife's godchild was in grade school, everyone but the parents recognized the kid was gay. It took a bit before we all recognized the kid was a male who identified as female. Corrective surgery was done. HE was miserable as a boy. SHE is now an awesome young woman, living with the trans-woman she plans on marrying. Both enjoy professional careers and have healthy lives with their families and friends..

          2. Michael Hunt's Avatar Michael Hunt

            Was this person coming to classes in their costume? Were they walking around on all fours, eating out of a dish, and barking at the mail carrier? If not, they're not acting like an animal and you're discriminating against them because you dislike their hobby. If they are doing these things, then the student would be a reasonable distraction from the learning environment but I get the feeling they aren't.

            The fact of the matter is that furries typically do not identify as animals or pretend to be one. They just enjoy dressing up in anthropomorphic animal costumes.

            1. Joe R Day's Avatar Joe R Day

              Spot-on reply...

      2. Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk's Avatar Cyril R. VanKeirsbelk

        Excellent Strawman argument! Comparing a child who identifies differently than you see them to a furry. It's like the difference between a need and a want.

        I wouldn't let a furry in my class either, dress professionally or don't come to class.

      3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        If it was a service animal, you were likely going against ADA regulations, as they have to be allowed. There are a few exceptions, but a classroom isn't one of them.

  1. Nicholas J Page's Avatar Nicholas J Page

    No body should be forced to say or do anything against their will.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      If a teacher can't be respectful of their students they should be fired. They have no business teaching.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        Students are kids, they learned this crap from the public. They want attention.

    2. tuppennyblue's Avatar tuppennyblue

      Does that include picking up their own litter? Paying taxes? Stopping at a red light?

    3. Dr. Zerpersande, NSC's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande, NSC

      Broad brush there.

    4. Joseph Grieco's Avatar Joseph Grieco

      If you refuse to comply with the requirements of the job, you shouldn't apply for it.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        It's morally wrong.

    5. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

      You seem to forget, that when you accept a job, you go by the rules of the organization you work for. This country is [supposed to be, anyway] a democracy. A job, however, is a dictatorship. Do what the boss says, or take a hike. I've done both when I didn't like what the boss was asking me to do.

      1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        In this case it is morally wrong to let the kids have their way.

        1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

          Whose morality? The school system doesn't have a problem with it, and as far as I can see it, it is a simple case of being respectful.

  1. Bill Thompson's Avatar Bill Thompson

    I believe that to refer to a male as a she or a female as a he or the use of any other disorientation is a lie! It’s a break from truth and our Bible does not advocate a lie in order to make another feel aligned with God. Leave your sex alone and work with what God created you to be!

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      What do you call someone who has a uterus and a penis? God has created many.

      Can you tell me what characteristics makes someone male or female?

      I hope you know when God created you and everyone else you began life as a female.

      1. John Robert Peters's Avatar John Robert Peters

        It is really an androgyn that you mean. Phenotypically appearing more female until differentiation at a latter stage. Sex is genetic. Gender is part of the persona and is determined by both genetic influences and psychological motivators. It is a choice not a legal mandate and not a mental illness.

    2. Dave J's Avatar Dave J

      So you never wear clothing of two different materials?

      1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

        Dave, clothing has nothing to do with your pronouns. A dude in a dress is still a dude.

        Did you know that when you use two different materials in clothing they wear, wash and age differently? Today we just throw them away when our clothes get a little smudge and have our slaves in China make us some new junky clothes. Back in old times they weren't as wasteful as you and I are today.

      2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

        What do you mean 2 different materials? Female and male clothing can have the same material but 1 is made for a female and 1 is made for a male. Dress what sex you were born as.

  1. Susan Colmenares's Avatar Susan Colmenares

    Why is this a problem? “They” is merely a word, a collection of monemes. This is a tempest in a teapot.

    1. ServantOfJudgement's Avatar ServantOfJudgement

      I was trained with 68 pronoun sets by my corporate overlords. I never could figure out why the lgbtqia++map crowd stopped at 68. They were right there and blew it. Should have been 69 right? That would have made sense for the kinky sex crowd. Now they've jumped to about 78 pronouns. That's why it's a problem Susan. Some of us aren't idiots. Some of us don't like to deal with stupid junk. I don't mean to be rude but I think it's rude to make me call a dude a chick. I'm smarter than that.

      1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        SOJ,

        I think it's rude to call a man a dude and a woman a chick, but you don't hear me obsessing over it. How do you get 68 OR 78 pronoun sets out of one set of female (she/her/hers), male (he/him/his), multiple/nonbinary (they/their/theirs), non-human (it/its)? I really think you need to have this obsession of yours with how other people have sex looked into. Perhaps you can find peace in understanding that not everyone responds the same way you do to similar stimuli. One person's kinky is another person's pleasure, and as long as they are both/all consenting adults, it's nobody else's business.

    2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

      They don't even know if they are a male or female. There should be no choice.

      1. Reverend Paula Copp's Avatar Reverend Paula Copp

        Wow! Your christianity is really generous…

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Aren't you supposed to take care of the body God gave you and not change it?

          1. Reverend Bobbie's Avatar Reverend Bobbie

            Great, so no lasic or liposuction or Botox or braces, or glasses, or , or , or your argument holds as much water as a sieve

            1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

              Please explain to a puppy that neutering is an improvement.

        2. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Really. If you are a Christian and follow the Bible does it say anywhere in it, oh and if you don't like the body I gave you, go ahead and change that's fine. I did only make a male and a female.Do you people not see how STUPID this sounds and is?

      2. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        Pamela Kay Waters you do know that sex is not one or the other, but a spectrum.

        Can you tell us what characteristics you use to determines one's sex? I hope you know every human being begins life as a female.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          If you are born with a penis a male, if you are born with a uterus and ovaries you are a female. Easy.

      3. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        Pamela,

        Once again, for those in the back of the room, sex is a biological structure (and not binary, as both genetic and physical intermixing and anomolies occur), gender is a social construct. Gender describes the "box" society assigns to people with certain genetalia. Certain men have more of the features in the "female" box than they do from the "female" box, and vice versa for some women. The same holds true for physical features (outside of the genetalia. For example, I have a wide, broad-shouldered body frame and a small chest, and because I wear my hair short (due to alopecia) I am often mistaken for a man. I was also given an intellect that favored the STEM disciplines and leadership skills (both typical of the "male" box, as well). While I am a female, and have always identified that way, I certainly understand that there aren't two gender "boxes." Gender is more like two lakes with a river connecting them. A person can be anywhere in that river, or in one of the two lakes, and some navigate up and down the river.

        1. PKBW's Avatar PKBW

          Well that's your fault if you don't correct people and say I am a female.

          1. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

            I'm talking about calling me "sir, or bro" BEFORE I have been introduced, for example, in a crowd, "excuse me sir", or in a bathroom, "what you doing in here, bro." I DO correct them, and they are usually very embarrassed. That's why I am sensitive to this topic.

      4. Patricia Ann Gross's Avatar Patricia Ann Gross

        Sorry, but the line should have read, "Certain men have more of the features in the "female" box than they do from the "male" box, and vice versa for some women."

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