The following guest sermon was submitted by ULC minister Timothy Newell. All ULC Ministers are invited to contribute their own sermons for consideration/publication. To submit a sermon, please email it to sermons@ulc.org.
I know that You are with me and I love You knowing You won't leave me, Lord Jesus, I belong to You forever...For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, no angels nor principalities nor power nor things present nor things to come Nor height nor depth nor any other created thing shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord --[Romans 8: 38-39]
Once I received Christ as my Lord and Savior I've never been separated from Him. He promised me that, and He is fulfilling His promise. No person or thing could equal the value of such a relationship with the One who died and paid for my ticket into eternal life..."...teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with You always, even to the end of the age."--Matthew 28:20
Why would it be a surprise to realize that in my 67th year God would point out to me His purpose for my life?
Yesterday I was walking in a parking lot and came across an attractive neon-green golf ball just lying there; if i had been walking on a golf course i would've passed it by. But since it was just lying so out of place, I had to pick it up. Why would I not pick it up? It looked so pretty just lying there. That's what the Bible is, a beautiful attractive Word left by Someone in hopes it would be picked up.
Lord Jesus, You are my incomparable Savior and Lord. My faith is strong. I rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I yield to You any glory, honor, and power that I may obtain, it's through Your own purpose and grace.
It's not about what I say or what you say. Jesus is the way! It's about what God says...start reading the first verses in Hebrews. You can rely on your intellect and your rationalizations, and I can count on the supernatural source of everything. It isn't about you. It isn't about me. It's about the Trinity! I shall dwell in the secret place of the Most High and abide under the shadow of the Almighty. [Psalm 91:1]
At the bus stop the other day on the ground was a perfectly rolled joint that someone had dropped. Two years ago, I would've picked it up and stuck it in an empty cigarette box to smoke when I got home. I had the sword of the Spirit this time, so I cannot say I can't get to God or Jesus because They're up there or out there somewhere. The King of kings told us, promised us He'd send His Helper who shall always be with us...i believe in the supernatural.
I thought for a second about picking that joint up, but then I thought, "yeah, what will I do with it?" I really had no interest in what the answer to that question was. It was looking so pretty lying there on the ground so I left it there.
Praise God and His supernatural healing and help!
97 comments
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Douglas Robert Spindler
This sermon says it all. We are stardust, we are golden. We are billion-year-old carbon These words are just beautiful?
Well, I came upon a child of God He was walking along the road And I asked him, "Tell me, where are you going?" And this he told me Said, "I'm going down to Yasgur's Farm Gonna join in a rock 'n' roll band Got to get back to the land Set my soul free" We are stardust, we are golden We are billion-year-old carbon And we've got to get ourselves Back to the garden Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog And I feel myself a cog In somethin' turning And maybe it's the time of year Yes, and maybe it's the time of man And I don't know who I am But life is for learning We are stardust, we are golden We are billion-year-old carbon And we got to get ourselves Back to the garden We are stardust, we are golden We are billion-year-old carbon And we got to get ourselves Back to the garden By the time we got to Woodstock We were half a million strong And everywhere was a song And a celebration And I dreamed I saw the bomber jet planes Riding shotgun in the sky Turning into butterflies Above our nation We are stardust, we are golden We are caught in the devil's bargain And we've got to get ourselves Back to the garden
Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
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Joe Stutler
Joni Mitchell wrote and performed it first. CSNY covered it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_(song)
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Rev. MichaelRS
Glad you have found the way to such peace through spiritual strength
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Timothy Newell
Praise the Lord! Thank you for your thoughts.
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Lionheart
There are so many Lords, which one are you praising? Would it be Lord Krishna by any chance? Just asking for an Asian friend of mine.
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Teresa de Jesús Cruces
I was referring to Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Lionheart
I’m sorry about your indoctrination.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
The Bible is, a beautiful attractive Word left by Someone? Abandoned maybe. There is more murder, genocide, hate and rape in this book, than in any other. God kills children to test parents faith - but, he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He knows what will happen and when - he's just the most sadistic being in all existence.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Supernatural healing and help? Brings to mind the meme of the ‘Skeptical African Boy’ that starts with ‘So you’re telling me…..”
“……that Jesus fed 5,000 people with 2 loaves of bread and a fish, but he won’t hook me up with a bowl of rice?”
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Johnny Mac
Amen.
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Daniel Gray
Right back atcha. Newton has proved the Big Bang theory does not work and you claim it does, ok then PROVE IT. I wont hold my breath waiting as you cant. Heck even science is now starting to refute this big bang theory with a cyclical expand and contract theory. So again, make YOURSELF famous and prove the Big Bang myth. And while you are at it please explain why the new Telescope has just found a galaxy so far out that the light from it is just now reaching us and NASA is saying that the red shift show this galaxy to be over 17 BILLION years old. Ok now how is that supposed to happen when the universe is only supposed to be 14.5 billion years old. Or this one The star HD 140283 is a subgiant star with an estimated age of 14.46 billion years. That might raise an eyebrow or two for those of you who remember that the age of the universe is estimated as 13.77 billion years when the age of the star was calculated. Seems even Science is calling you out.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Scientists aren’t ‘starting to change the theory’. There has always been a question of whether the universe will eventually cease expanding and reverse itself, resulting in The Big Crunch or if it will just expand forever with constantly increasing entropy in The Big Chill. The cyclic proposition is a result of what might happen if the options result in the former possibility ‘Crunch’. But it seems that the amount of dark matter may not be sufficient to cause such. Measurements indicate that the galaxies are not only moving away from each other, they are actually accelerating away.
My theory is that the acceleration is due to a conscious effort for all the galaxies to ‘get away from’ the extreme stupidity and willful ignorance displayed by a large number of religiously delusional earthlings.
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Richard Darwin Richards
There never has been a question about that. God created earth and has told us that earth will expire and God will create a new home for us.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Told ‘us’? The first person plural pronoun is not appropriate here bc your Mr. Magic has told me nothing. You might try to say ‘Well, me and my fellow religiously delusional cohorts’, but again that would be mistaken. Those voices you apparently hear are thought to be normal in pre-humans but these days if you tell too many people about hearing voices you might get put into a hospital for observation.
What you mean to say is that you have a book, composed of stories passed around verbally by some Bronze Age hominids (who may not have even reached the level of full human consciousness) that claim to have heard the voice of god.
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Richard Darwin Richards
This book has been spot on about how stupid humans are yet we prove its accuracy with our stupidity everyday. How about let's prove it wrong for once, before earth expires!
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
How about you give examples of how the bible ‘has been spot on…..with our stupidity’?
Prove it wrong? Do you think that anyone that uses the name of god in vain should be put to death? Or that clothes should not be made from a mixture of fabrics? Or that NO WORK should be done on Sunday? (Or Saturday or Friday depending on your brand of idiocy). How about the penalties for adultery, you up for those? Do you eat BBQ?
Start up the brain before putting the mouth into gear.
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Richard Darwin Richards
All of the above are a good start, but only a start. Fast forward to Revelations for some really scary stuff that we are doing! The apple hasn't fallen far from the tree obviously.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Fast forward to revelations? You mean skip over the really weird, outrageously stupid things and get to the point where a person is babbling about their ‘vision’?
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Daniel Gray
And so far you dont have any evidence that there isnt a God either, its your OPINION
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
the atheistic position isn’t generally that god doesn’t exist but that there is no evidence to warrant belief in your proposal. Plenty of evidence though that lots of peopke are willfully ignorant dolts.
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Daniel Gray
Just like more then half of the worlds population say that you are wrong so there is plenty of evidence to prove that people who believe like you do are as you say "willfully and ignorant dolts"
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
I didn’t say “willfully and ignorant dolts”. Ignorant dolt would work, but not willfully dolt. You demonstrated that by not recognizing my own typo using an extremely common idiomatic phrase. Yours is a typo too. Just frothing at the mouth a bit too much and threw in that ‘and’.bTry copy/paste in the future when you want to quote someone.
I mention this because I commonly use the term ‘willfully ignorant’ in describing the religiously delusional. You see, being ignorant is understandable. It just means ‘lacking knowledge’ on a matter. It’s akin to telling the police officer you didn’t know the speed limit had recently been lowered. (The the police will often say that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.)
I often hear religious people saying they ‘don’t believe man came from apes/monkeys’. Neither do scientists. Came from a common ancestor. Religious people are here may simply be ignorant. A lot of them seem to have never made it to high school and therefore learned about evolution. In fact, if they grew up in some areas, especially the South, their high school bio teacher may have decided to not even teach ‘that gol’ darned eve-loo-shun stuff’. These people are just ignorant, didn’t know.
Thing is, I tell them they are wrong about their ideas and it goes in one ear and put the other. Or they were taught it and deliberately (willfully) ignored the information. Now, these people are WILLFULLY ignorant and that is a travesty. Put simply, they want and desire to be stupid.
Congrats, bud!
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Daniel Gray
Congrats yourself. You screwed yourself in a reply to me and then now you want to try and attack me for calling you out? Ever hear of a new item called "PROOF READING"? really helps you not to make a fool of yourself
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Daniel Gray
And again its you who missed the point. I never said you WERE anything, I said you COULDNT be anything as no matter what you call yourself you have to admit that what you believe in is called FAITH. Just like the religions here do. So you can try and spin it anyway you wish but dissing over 2/3rds of the planet who believe in a deity, is just not cool. Do I believe in Allah? Nope but I am not going to tell a Muslum that their belief is wrong nor am I going to try and argue the point with them. The same goes for Buddha or any other persons religion. If asked I will gladly tell them if I believe or not, but I am not going to dis their religion. Ok then try and explain this, just how do you explain the Piltdown man or the Dino tracks in the same rock as human tracks? Or the machined steel balls that were found in a coal seam that was over 2 million years old? You cant have it both ways to claim you believe in only what you see and then try and change the subject when its proved wrong. But then again if thats what you wish to believe in, feel free. Just dont dis others on what they believe and you wont get called out on what you believe.
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Randy C Hamilton
"Faith is believing what you KNOW ain't so," Mark Twain. You know that people cannot walk on water. You know that people cannot fly up to heaven, beat up an angel, talk to a god, and return. YOu know that the flood never happened because other societies/civilizations did not experience it. You know that the exodus never happened because there is no evidence in any of the possible bodies of water. It is called science, archeology, and reality.
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Daniel Gray
Um people walk on water every winter Randy....its called ICE. As for the flood, sorry child there are many present day scientists that clearly say that a flood DID happen. Strike 2 As for the exodus, sorry again but there is a stone in the Museum of England called The Merneptah Stele which holds an inscription showing that Egypt conquered and took Israel captive in egypt and they did in fact escape Strike 3. As for the crossing of the Red Sea, that happened as well as there was a volcano that exploded around crete and caused the waters to recede like when a tidal wave come in and its documented by Princeton University no less https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691150215/the-parting-of-the-sea strike 4 so you are right that science-reality and archeology have all proved you completely ignorant on this subject.
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Randy C Hamilton
No archeological evidence of an exodus. No archeological evidence of a flood, except local ones.. The water in the middle east does not ice over. Try reality.
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Lionheart
Right on Randy. 👍🏼
As Dr Spock once correctly said “Faith is irrelevant. One could have an infinite amount of faith and it would still be the equivalent of nothing.”🤭
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Nicholas J Page
I agree its too much take,take in life.Consider those less fortunate
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
There’s absolutely nothing “spiritual” in the Universe, that any human mind can comprehend.
Ernest Haeckel “The Riddle of the Universe.”
Until all of humankind discovers that nature and God are the same thing — human societies will continue to slaughter each other in their futile religious wars — which are actually about nothing.
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Richard Darwin Richards
Out of the mouth of babes,God be praised!!! You are forgiven, go and sin no more!!!
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
I'm not a sinner, I've never sinned. I've got a friend named Apollo.
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Colleen McAllister
Everyone has sinned. You just committed the sin of pride.
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Lionheart
Please get well! 🤗
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Joe Stutler
I've never sinned. 🙂
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arawngraalrd
I think he's joking, about never having sinned, and about being my friend.
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Charles Jude Platt
Wow, thanks for all the messages, a lot to think about I say. Glad Booze gave up on me, but after this .........lol.
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The Gray Minister
I liked that. Thanks
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Timothy Newell
You're welcome!
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Richard Darwin Richards
In our opinion, Jesus surely is all about you and me so yes, it is about you and me!!! God be praised!!!
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Timothy Newell
Well, when you put it that way...
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Rev. Dr. G. Waldron
Sorry for this late comment; i just now read this beautiful sermon and the comments. Thanks Daniel Gray for your continuing the debate with unbelievers. You did a great job. The winner of this long debate is: Daniel Gray!
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Timothy Newell
Jesus Christ is the winner of this debate!
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Robert Jene Johnson
Winner Jesus Christ and Daniel Gray! Well done on Christianity side from a Baptist as well :) in terms of the ULC we are Equal and protected but in terms of our faith and beliefs and what we preach ,teach, Etc is also protected by ULC and First Amendment religions teach by their methods Christianity the Bible , Islam :Q'uoran and i may have typod that however talmud etc the whole debate was one that was attacking to begin with when you attacked the sermon was excellent and faith based as well as Christianity Based with Biblical use so if you have these issues why are you looking at these sermons shouldn't you be in your area or do you not have sermons etc.
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Todd D Hanly
I was told by spirit to get Ordained, so I did. Now I'm thinking, what did I just do? Now what? I'm usually an introvert and now it seems as though spirit wants me to be an extrovert. Any comments?
No thank you. I choose not to praise any mythical gods, especially the one that’s detailed in the Old Testament. What a monster!
As for your claim of his supernatural healing, try getting him to empty the children's cancer wards in hospitals. I think we all know that is not going to happen, don’t we? That’s because A: He’s not omnipotent, or B: He doesn’t exist. I’m opting for B. 🤷🏼
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You still have yet to prove that God is mythical. You have no valid proof other then your opinion, just like I have no valid proof other then my opinion that he is real. So instead of insulting over 1.5 Billion people of the Christian faith, and over 1.2 Billion people of the Islamic faith, how about you just state that this is your opinion and leave it at that
Of course it’s my opinion, Daniel. I have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that your god, or any man made god is real. I also cannot prove fairies, gnomes, or elves don’t exist. So far, even gods, fairies, gnomes, and elves seem unable to prove they exist, which says a lot….right?
Your argument ad-populum comment doesn’t wash with me. It’s not my fault that most of the people on earth have become indoctrinated or duped to accept their belief structure is true. A good, and thorough, education could sort that out for most of them. All I’m doing is inviting people to open their minds to logic and reason, to question their their irrational belief structure, even yours.
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Thats all I am saying, you have just as much evidence that he does not exist as I do that he does, its called FAITH. And the only way we will know for sure is after we die. But then there is no way for us to come back and tell anyone now is there?
Actually Daniel, we don’t know for sure we will know anything after we die because there is no evidence to say there is anything after we die.
No amount of faith makes anything fact. I’m sure you know that….right?
Thank you for your comment though. 🤗
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Thats my whole point. Nobody knows for sure until after they meet their God and as all religions say, that only happens after you die. And after you die nobody (except one in my belief system) has ever come back and been able to tell us different. So as it stands your belief that there is no God is just as valid as my belief that there is. Its called faith. Therefor for anyone to come along and try and degrade a religion because they dont believe in it is wrong, they are fighting a battle they cant win. Or to put it in humanistic terms, your belief, no matter if you do or dont believe in a deity; is your OPINION and has as much authority as any other. No more no less.
You are missing the point Daniel. You cannot say “nobody knows for sure until after they meet their God” because so far, we have no evidence there is one.
There is possibly more evidence there isn’t any God, judging from the mayhem and destruction of all the wars, especially World War I, and World War II, and the Holocaust. Any God worth his salt, that has any care for humanity would surely have done something.
In many respects, I hope there is a God, because I would love to meet him and punch him on his nose, and stamp on his sandalled feet, for doing literally nothing to help humanity.
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Not missing any point. I am stating fact. Every religion in the world says that their deity gave them free will. So its a little bit late to be trying to blame the deity if they did indeed give free will now isnt it
But you are indeed missing the point, Daniel, you just refuse to see it, and will try to argue your way through it. By our very nature, we all have free will, with the exception that governments, and warmongers, place upon us.
Every religion on the face of the earth might say that their deity gave them free will, (radical Moslem women excepted) but until those deities can be proven to exist, their statements are just dust in the wind. Much like yours my friend. 🤗
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No I did not, I am saying that you cant prove there isnt a deity anymore then I can prove there is one. So why you insist on degrading the ones who do believe there is a deity is known only to you.
It’s elementary my dear Watson, why should I have any respect for anyone that wants to believe in something with no demonstrable evidence?
If someone wants to believe the earth is flat, or pixies and fairies exist, they are more than welcome to, but they don’t gain my respect at all, and I hope they never have to be on jury duty where factual evidence is critical. Why should I have to have any respect of a juror that is totally relying on a belief structure because it “feels good to them”?
If you can’t see your illogical argument Daniel I hope you never have to be tried in a court of law with 12 people like you on the jury. And if you do, I hope you don’t respect them and ask for a change of jury.
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So what you are saying is that you cant believe in religion because there is no proof and you cant be an atheist either as they also have no proof that there isnt a deity. That also means you cant believe in evolution as there has been more then enough evidence to prove that is fake. You cant believe in the Big Bang theory as there is no evidence that proves that ever happened. I mean there is a host of things that people claim exist but since there is no proof of same, you cant believe in them either. I'm sorry my friend but that seems to be a pretty sad existence.
I have never said I’m an atheist. I consider myself to be a secular humanist.
The Big Bang is currently a very good theory, and that’s all it is.
There appears to be more evidence for evolution than creation, but I’m not an expert, and never have claimed to be.
My existence is not sad at all, and I’m sure yours isn’t either.
I continue to only believe wherever there is demonstrable evidence. That’s possibly the only difference between the two of us, Daniel.
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Try some education. Science does not "prove a negative." YOU make the claim of a god and YOU must provide proof. That is how it works. I can claim that I have an invisible unicorn (or a god) and it is up to me to prove it. It is not up to you to prove that I don't have one. Logical fallacies abound in all "arguments" by believers. You need to read "How to Become a Really Good Pain in the Ass, A Critical Thinker's Guide to Asking the Right Questions" It includes 24 fallacies that you need to learn about.
How about you take your own advice? You can no more prove that there isnt a deity then I can that there is. Now do I insult and degrade you because of your beliefs? Nope. All I am doing is saying that you can believe what you wish, if you want to believe you came from apes then feel free. If I choose to believe something different that that me and not you. How had is that for you to understand?
is global warming one of the included fallacies?
You believed and still subtly and warily believe in something with no demonstrable evidence, and that is our former "President's" ability to be a President and his actually doing his job, when everyone who wasn't and still isn't hypnotized and brainwashed by him sees clearly that he was the worst excuse for a "President" that we have had in our history!! You believe in something else with no demonstrable evidence and that is a mindless universe's being able to control and maintain itself or create itself in the first place (a logical impossibility, since it wasn't here before it was here to be able to create itself). So, since you believe in things with no demonstrable evidence, why should you ridicule or condemn or dismiss other people who, according to you, are doing the same thing and "believing things without any demonstrable evidence"?!! That just makes you a hypocrite!! Why should anyone respect you, by your own standard, who has a belief system because it "feels good to you"?!! If you can't see your illogical argument, I hope that you never have to be tried in a court of law with 12 people like you on the jury. And if you do, I hope that you don't respect them and ask for a change of jury (some good sensible Catholics or Christians!!). With what judgment you judge, you shall be judged, and the measure that you mete shall be measured to you again. How do you like it?!!
That's not how it works. One doesn't prove a negative. If you assert there is a god (or anything else for that matter), the onus is on you to prove it.
No sorry wrong yet AGAIN. If I say there is a god and you then say there isnt, its up to YOU to prove your statement. You cant even seem to argue a point correctly
I’m not saying that ‘god doesn’t exist’. I’m saying that I don’t accept YOUR CLAIM that a god exists. I don’t accept it because, AT BEST, your evidence is childish and silly.
IF you wish to provide valid evidence for the existence of your god, then I am open to changing my position on the matter. Otherwise I will continue to not accept your claim for the existence of a god.
Daniel the burden of proof is on the individual that make the claim. Atheists are simply not accepting that your claim that god exists, that god made the universe, that Jesus is the result of god spiritually raping a teenage and giving birth to himself or that god performs miracles. YOU and your ilk make such claims, YOU and your ilk are responsible for providing rational evidence of such.
For instance, I believe, along with Bertrand Russell, that a teapot is orbiting the sun within the orbit of Mercury. If you doubt such, prove me wrong. That’s your argument with god.
You, and this sermon, are chock full of s….s….silky childish superstitions.
And this is YOUR opinion, nothing more.
This is also the way our court system works. If the State charges someone with a crime the burden of proof is on the State to prove its claim. If some files a lawsuit against someone, once again the person filing the suit must prove their claim.
I will most certainly change my if evidence is provided that your belief system is valid. But you’re living in LaLa Land. Your god is no different that the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa EXCEPT that you will likely agree that those three characters don’t exist. You believe that your god is the only god. You do not believe in any of the other thousands upon thousands of gods that man has, and still does, worshipped over our history. I just lack belief in one more god than you do.
And you have just proved yourself untrustworthy and clearly....sad to say...quite ignorant. You have just said in your own words "I will most certainly change my if evidence is provided that your belief system is valid. But you’re living in LaLa Land." meaning that even IF someone was to prove you wrong you would still refuse to believe them. So why should anyone believe you or what you say when you are refusing to believe others.
Sorry, that’s a typo and this site apparently doesn’t allow edits. The mistake is obvious as is word I left out. My original sentence was “ I will most certainly change my if evidence is provided that your belief system is valid.” The phrase “I will change my if evidence is provided…” is OBVIOUSLY a mistake because the verb ‘change’ is transitive and needs an object. That missing word is ‘mind’. Maybe you though it was my plan to change my insurance carrier if evidence was presented to proof your ridiculous claim? Or perhaps change my socks?
Furthermore, the phrase I quoted above is in the real conditional tense, meaning that in the presence of true evidence proving your claim I would cease my disbelief and accept the existence of your Bronze Age deity. My beliefs are based upon evidence and facts, not the superstitions of pre-humans that couldn’t explain where the sun went at night.
If you like I will give you the first of my tests. I will write down a 50 character alpha-numeric string including upper/lower case and all special characters. We’ll agree on a specific time for me to do this so that you can pray to Mr. Magic to watch me do it. You then provide me with his/her/its/their answer and you pass the first test.
So you are now claiming that what you wrote is a typo because it destroys your whole point? Thought so
I might be able to prove the Truth of God, but only to those willing to look.
You'd be the first one on earth to prove it, if you could. Not even your god seems to be able to physically show up and prove its real. That's why all you have is something called faith, because there are no demonstrable facts to prove to anyone. Every faith on earth, even yours, are all saying the same thing that they have proof their god/religion is the right one.
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Offer evidence for anything supernatural, and then we can have a conversation.
Offer me proof that he does not exist and then we can talk. I am not the one that is trying so hard to prove my point and then demanding that the other person prove your point for them.
We are just like you Daniel, we cannot prove any God does, or doesn’t exist. Neither of us has any demonstrable proof.
We also have no idea whether fairies exist, even though it would be nice if we could 🤭
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Thats my whole point, nobody has concrete proof of or against a Deity, so why go through all the fuss and ill will by claiming that one does not exist as again you have no proof that he/she/they dont exist any more then I can provide proof that they do. thats why its called faith. And it does not help anyone in dissing over 2/3rds of the population of this world by claiming they are wrong because of your beliefs. I personally think that atheism and humanism are both wrong, but I am not going to sit here and insult them. I may debate the point but I wont and cant say they are wrong because its my belief they are.
I’m not dissing that 2/3rds of the planet are wrong with their beliefs. It’s not my fault that 2/3rds of the earth are uneducated idiots that don’t understand logic and reason. You don’t have to be one of them Daniel 🤭
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D G, Education and critical thinking are NOT allowed by xians therefore you don't understand that the burden of proof is on you. No proof = no belief = imaginary and mystical until proven otherwise.
No the burden of proof is on the people who claim he does not exist. You are saying I am wrong so its up to you to prove me wrong.
Science does not prove the negative. YOU make the claim and YOU must show that it is valid. Never been done, not for your guy, Zeus, or even Santa. Read some science!!! Ditch the cult. No proof = no belief. Simple enough for you????
science is always trying to prove a negative. I mean good christmas, does anyone believe in the big bang anymore? I mean with common sense. Stop and think they (science) claims that everything in our universe was condensed to an infinitely small object. So are you saying that this was all condensed to something the size of a pinhead? Science is trying to prove that it was, the size alone of the stars and other such items prove this is a myth, but science still keeps trying. And then you run into the other problem of you cannot destroy matter, that would sorta destroy the claim that comets shrink. And yet Science still tries to make this claim. Finally the big bang runs afoul of newtons 1st law of thermodynamics. As it clearly states that something stationary will stay stationary and something in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside source. Yet science is still trying to claim this happened when the laws of science clearly say it cant have happened. So my point right back at you is where is your proof that God does not exist? You have none. Nice try
Everyone I know believes the Big Bang is the best theory we have. Science NEVER proves the negative, but it can falsify theories. BUT it needs empirical data to work with, not idiotic claims by people with zero evidence. SHOW SOME PROOF AND BECOME FAMOUS!!!!
Creation is the best theory that we have!
Evolution, read up. Creation is a fable and in no way contains any science or reality.
Prove that inaccurate statement!
Prove that evolution is valid? He told you to read up on the topic. You’ve never read a single book about evolution and you know it. I’ve read your Bronze Age book of goat herder superstitions. You believe in something with no proof, just ramblings of scientifically ignorant cavemen who needed written instructions not to kill each other and not to have sex with their goats. And if you aren’t willing to take the time to read a book giving you excerpts here will accomplish nothing.
There is ZERO evidence that man came from apes! That is man wrongly theorizing whereas the Bible has been around for 7000 years and is eerily accurate about man's downfall.
Creation is not a theory, it is a fictional story, rather two fictional stories. Go back to high school and stay awake this time.
Public ed. that teaches man came from apes and also taught not long ago that we were headed into an ice age?
Just saying that your claim lacks any evidence to prove that it is true. View my position not as ‘disbelief’ but as a lack of belief in what you propose. And that lack of belief is due to a lack of evidence. And ‘Mommy and Daddy told me so.’ isn’t evidence, it’s gullibility.
And I am saying that your belief has no more authority then mine does. If I choose to believe there is a God, then exactly how is it harming you? I have done nothing to you in any way. Just like your belief that there isnt a God is not harming me in any way. When we both die if I have done good works and helped people and there is no God or after life, then who have I harmed? I will be remembered for quite a long time for my good works and that is sort of an after life. Now on the other hand after you die if you come face to face with the Deity that you denied all this time, I dont think "opppps my bad" is going to cut it.
So as long as the people who do believe have not harmed you then whats the big deal? You have a problem with the persons who harmed you, you DONT have a problem with their religion or race. And all I see you doing here is trying to pain everyone you dont agree with, with the same brush. Not what this site is representing now is it?
I’m not saying that people don’t have a right to their beliefs. If I had my way churches would immediately lose all special tax exemptions and be taxed like any other business. And I would also remove every last shred of religion from the govt. This means removing ‘under God’ from the pledge (it wasn’t in there originally), no more swearing to god/on a bible in courts or taking office, removing ‘In Mr. Magic We Trust’ from money. But your beliefs? Have them. Your right to express them? Knock yourself out. But remember that when you voice such childish, delusional, non-evidence based superstitions from the Bronze Age that rational individuals are going to point out your ignorance. You spouting off your nonsense is the equivalent of farting in a crowded elevator, Hold the fart/your opinions in and let them out when you’re by yourself or around people that like to smell your farts (church).
And your belief system harms people. Teaching, actually indoctrinating, children in these beliefs is child abuse. And your religion wants to force their ridiculous beliefs on others through govt activities and schools. You want to ‘teach’ creationism’ in schools. You make efforts to pass laws that limit human freedom, such as gay marriage, interracial marriage and the right for a woman to control her own body. There are States right now that have laws to prevent me from holding public office because I am an atheist, lacking belief in the Bronze Age superstitious deities your religion would force upon everyone else. The Crusades, the Inquisition and the witch trials ‘did no harm’?
Want to avoid conflict? Keep your antiquated, childish, irrational, delusional beliefs to yourself. Problem solved. Or not. Just stop you (expletive deleted)ing whining when you get dragged over the coals for believing in something just as silly as the Easter Bunny.
Thank you Dr. Zerpersande. You are indeed quite right, but Daniel Gray’s indoctrination is way too deep for him to use logic and reason. He’s been blinded by it so much that he cannot find his way out. 🤷🏼
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This will eventually be yet another windmill (site) at which I cease to tilt.
Getting ordained was a lark. A free lark. A lark some celebrities have engaged in. Just opinion here, but there seem to be a large number of poorly educated, perhaps totally uneducated, individuals who take their ordination as more than a free piece of paper declaring them to be a man/woman of god.
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