Buffalo Bills players take the field on Sunday with "Pray for Damar" flags following a scary incident during Monday Night Football last week. 

The world of sports was shocked to a standstill last week when NFL player Damar Hamlin went into cardiac arrest on the field during Monday Night Football. It became immediately obvious that his life was in grave danger.

In the aftermath on the frightening incident, many people’s reactions centered around prayer. “Pray for Damar” was soon trending, and players and commentators across the media landscape shared faith-related pleas for his health and recovery.  

Fortunately, Hamlim has now been released from the hospital and it appears that he is on the road to recovery. With his life no longer in doubt, some have turned to reflect on the public reaction to this scary incident.

Is prayer the best way to respond to a medical emergency? Did it (in this case, anyway) make a difference? Who gets the credit for saving Hamlin's life? We asked two ULC ministers to give their takes on these questions.

A Higher Power Watched Over Damar Hamlin’s Life

A guest sermon by Maya Randolph

When Damar Hamlin collapsed on the field, a world of believers sprang into action. As a young man’s life hung in the balance, millions of people who had been relaxing and watching a football game were left sitting on their couches at home feeling frightened and helpless.

On the field, Damar’s teammates and coaches no doubt felt the same way.

At that moment, there was only one thing to do: pray. And pray we did.

From regular people on social media, to talking heads on TV, and even players on the field, believers united behind the power of prayer to give strength to Damar Hamlin, his family, and the medical personnel attending to him.  

It made a difference. Damar’s heart stopped, yes, but not for good.  

Franklin Graham noted the powerful moment when the Bills players gathered in a prayer circle as doctors tried to resuscitate Damar:

The Buffalo Bills know who to call out to for help! The entire team dropped to their knees in a circle of prayer after...

Posted by Franklin Graham on Tuesday, January 3, 2023

Fans in the stands also broke out in prayer:

On TV the next day, as Damar’s status was still very much in doubt, ESPN NFL commentator Dan Orlovsky did something remarkable. Instead of just echoing “thoughts and prayers” like so many others, he stopped the show and actually said a prayer on air during the broadcast:

When Damar awoke in the hospital, the first thing he asked was “did we win?” Doctors responded “yes, you won the game of life.”

And for any doubters out there, think about the divine intervention we saw in the game the Bills played this past weekend, less than a week after almost losing a teammate.

Damar Hamlin wears number 3, and all of his teammates had a #3 patch added to their jerseys.  

Following an emotional pregame ceremony in front of their home fans, many holding #3 signs, the Bills had a kick return for a touchdown to start the game, an extremely rare and remarkable play in and of itself.

But the last time it happened? 3 years and 3 months ago. That’s more than coincidence, it’s something only a higher power could design.  

In an interview describing the reverential experience, Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen said simply, “God is real.”

What more is there to say?

Don’t Give God Credit That Belongs to Medical Professionals

A guest sermon by Andrew Hannigan

There are freak accidents, and then there is what happened to Damar Hamlin. When he went down on the field, doctors immediately suspected commotio cordis – a rare stoppage of the heart caused by a heavy impact to the chest (like a football hit) that occurs right at a critical period during a heartbeat.

A millisecond earlier, or later, and the hit Damar took would have been like any other NFL play. But bad luck can strike at any time.  

And in the face of sudden crisis, the medical professionals on the field reacted immediately to save Damar Hamlin’s life. CPR performed on the field managed to restore his heartbeat, but as he was rushed to the hospital he was still having trouble breathing.

It took a ventilator and supplemental oxygen – marvels of modern medicine that didn’t exist for most of human history – to keep Damar alive. Highly trained doctors monitored him closely to ensure no other complications emerged. And we can all breathe a sigh of relief, as it appears he is going to be okay.

However, to attribute any of these events to God, as many have tried to do, is the height of silliness.

There was a specific medical reason that Damar Hamlin’s heart stopped; it was a freak accident that couldn’t have occurred without perfectly bad timing.

Are we to believe that God, in his infinite wisdom, just let this suffering happen… only to step in and listen to prayers after the fact? What kind of twisted benevolence is that?

There were also specific medical treatments (CPR, among other things), that saved Damar’s life. At the helm were medical professionals that had undergone years and years of training to ready themselves for that moment, to know just how to react.

As the Freedom From Religion Foundation points out, for a dangerous sport that relies so deeply on medical science, the NFL has a curious affinity for evangelism:

One can understand how a helpless bystander’s first instinct in the face of tragedy is to pray. And if that’s your thing, cool. It certainly can’t hurt.

However, to look past the contributions of doctors and nurses to the positive outcome of this story, and give the credit instead to God is not only unfair, it’s downright offensive.

So say your prayers, sure, but don’t attribute to God a miracle that belongs to modern medicine.

What is your reaction?


  1. Dr. Zerpersande's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande

    Does prayer help? It might help how a religiously delusional individual feels about a situation but nothing other than that. Studies shown that praying provides the same results as sitting in a closet and thinking about cats.

    You pray for me. I’ll think for both of us.

    1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

      Ok, and, what about homeopathic ? Isn't it the same ?

      Blessings Rev. Jean-Anasthase

      1. Dr. Zerpersande's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande

        Yep, 99.999% water with a distant dream of something else has squat all effect.

  1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

    We must remember it was God who stopped Damar's heart, killing him. Damar and his team mates should be thanking all of the trained medical professionals with their years of medical experience scientific research for bring Damar back for the dead. Had they not been there moments after God stopped his heart we would be watching Damar's funeral.

    Sad people give God the credit when it was science and well trained medical professionals who save people's lives.

    1. Ronaldo's Avatar Ronaldo

      The only way one could say God stopped the heart is by saying it was a design flaw in His Creation. God does not sit up there and control every little thing going on. Scripture makes no mention of a required continuous control by Him. He watches everything, but only steps in when necessary, and when He does take action, it is usually through people. God may well have been listening to the prayers and giving suggestions to the medical professionals. God may have answered prayers and guided one or more of these medical experts into the field years before.

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        @Ronaldo We know God created a lot of design flaws with humans. I can give you many examples. Take the human reproductive system. I hope you agree it was pretty dumb to integrate it with our sewer. Or look at your heart and lungs. As you were developing you had gill slits in your throat and associated blood vessels. And as you developed the slits were filled but the renominates of the blood vessels still remain. Why did God give us gill slits if we were not going to become a fish? Design flaw. And why do. We use the same opening for breathing and intake of food? What a design flaw. Inhale while you are eating and you choke to Do some research on humans development and you will find many other design flaws.

        I was taught God was all powerful and God was all knowing. And that God knows everything.

        I assure you none of those medical professionals were praying, they were too busy trying to save his life. They did have a moment to waste on prayers.

        What did God cause Damar’s heat to stop in the first place? If God know Damar would recover, seems pretty stupid to cause so much pain and suffering. Doesn’t sound like a loving God to me.

  1. Rev. Dr. Father JJ's Avatar Rev. Dr. Father JJ

    There is something extremely sad and off putting to think of the numbers of parents praying at the bedside of their child, dying from cancer, head trauma, gun shot wound or any number of maladies that kill children every year and to think that those prays are all for naught. Yet for a football player, who collapses live on tv, with team mates and audience participation praying for him and everyone just so distraught and asking everyone to pray. And goD decides that the little child dying from cancer, the mom bleeding out during childbirth, the dad crushed and damaged in his care waiting for, literally, the jaws of life to save him, and all dying, despite the prays and pleading and promises people are asking and offering. Those people die but goDs head is turned because enough people think one football player is more valuable than all those other dying people?

    Anyone who honestly believes that goD saved that football player but lets the children, the moms, the dads, lets them all die because he didn't think they were worthy of his blessings but the football player was...there are no words to describe how inhumane, cruel and sadistic that goD must be to let that all happen.

    To publicly pronounce that goD saved the football player, that it was a miracle, divine intervention is just so derailed, so cognitively dissonant as to beggar belief. As Andrew Hannigan said above, it was the intervention of the doctors, a result of years, cumulatively decades of training and experience that save that man's life. All to be tossed to the winds by religious fervor convinced that a non-existent goD did all the heavy lifting. All the while ignoring the lives lost daily regardless of the people praying for their family member or friend. Despite the prayers on their behalf, their life gets snuffed out simply because goD did not find them worthy enough to warrant his attention and subsequent life-saving intervention.

    Nope, the goD of morons will listen to thousand, to millions of morons murmuring meaningless words and platitudes, feeling so good about themselves as they do so, publicly so everyone can see how devouted they truly are. But letting babies die, letting cancer take its toll day after day, moms and dads dying from disease, assault, car wrecks, mass shootings...but a stadium of football fans are all it takes to save the life of one football player. And suddenly it's not about excellent medical care, which is missing or unavailable to so many people in this country either because it's not profitable to open a hospital or emergency care or unaffordable to the citizens but rather, the malignant intervention of an at best, disinterested deity who needs to be coaxed and prodded and pleaded with, publicly praised in order for him to deign to save that one person. Yeah, goD is not great.

  1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

    Short answer: No. Longer answer: Hell no.

  1. Pastor Jody S.'s Avatar Pastor Jody S.

    Miracles do happen, with more frequency then they are given credit for, by most of us. BUT - they are typically subtle, and happen in ways that are usually described by those unconvinced of the divine, as "coincidence".

    God works miracles most often through his creation, without drama, or fanfare. The Bible stories, particularly those performed by Jesus, are atypical. Because, well, Jesus IS the Word of God, God's Son. So the miracles are instantaneous, and, well, miraculous.

    The majority of miracles happen in ways that don't necessarily register on our awareness, until we have them pointed out to us, or we reflect on them afterwards.

    Yes, the medical professionals and First Responders used all of their skills and abilities. But - quite often they do, and the patient still passes away. This time, the patient did not. And recovered, quite frankly, unusually, and extremely quick.

    And that, there, is the miraculous. We don't SEE the miracle, until we stop and THINK about it. Reflect on it. Ruminate, as monks describe the process.

    I learned from an old, and very wise, Catholic Sister that prayer has three possible outcomes. Yes, no, and not yet. And the majority of time it's "not yet". Effective prayer for a petition typically takes prayer that is fervant, and persistent. Those qualities require Faith. If you have Faith, everything is possible. And you will find God in all things. And you can move mountains.

    If you do not have Faith, you will not find God anywhere. And will miss the greatest gift of all - Grace.

    It's really that simple. Jesus told his disciples "Be not afraid. Only Believe".

    1. Dean Leslie Forrest's Avatar Dean Leslie Forrest

      Post hoc ergo propter hoc

  1. Angele's Avatar Angele

    People who have come back from near death experiences, those who have really been on the other side, say that prayer manifests.

    1. Rev. Dr. Father JJ's Avatar Rev. Dr. Father JJ

      wishful thinking and cognitive dissonance. non c'e niente dopo morte

      1. Angele's Avatar Angele

        Maybe not for you but please don’t be so fast to judge that which you have never been fortunate enough to experience yourself.

    2. Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson's Avatar Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson

      I had several near death experiences from mid-2007 until I got a pacemaker 16 April 2008.

      I arrested 13 times the night before in the cardiac care ward where they were diagnosing what was going on. First medical opinion in January that year was "Asymptomatic Syncope," aka, blacking out for no known reason.

      What they found is the sinus node (the heart's natural pacemaker) does not fire off from time to time, so my heart goes slack. I came out of them without medical intervention, longest was 28 seconds according to the charge nurse who woke me to let me know a cardiac surgeon was coming to diagnose me. She also said I did not stop breathing.

      The NDE's I remember were all a slow fade to black.

  1. Cindi's Avatar Cindi

    Prayer is a powerful connection between humans. Science has proven that when we even think about God, our brain fires electrical impulses. So, my thoughts on prayer is that when a group of people all pray at the same time, no matter how far apart from each other, we connect. Prayer is power, and I am living proof! I have survived 4 different cancers. Many of my family and friends prayed for me while getting treatments. Many of whom belong to different churches, who also prayed for the will of God. I now am cancer free for the past 4 years.

    1. Dean Leslie Forrest's Avatar Dean Leslie Forrest

      You don't actually understand what the word "proof" means.

    2. Rev. Jim Sutton's Avatar Rev. Jim Sutton

      Ummm . . . When our brains do ANY thinking, electrical impulses are fired. Doesn't matter if it's about God or Donald Trump. Don't give credit where credit isn't due.

  1. William Dusenberry's Avatar William Dusenberry

    As a Secular Humanist Pantheist, all my prayers are answered.

    And, all of my ULC brethren can achieve the same rate of success (having their prayers answered) by only praying that our Earth will turn toward the Sun tomorrow, the next day, and forever — as long as one wants to pray for the same thing.

    Prayers are akin to the opium of the masses — it gives the rabble (AKA, MEGA-deplorables) the notion that they can tell their Christian God what to do — that they know, better than their Christian God, what should take place in the future.

    Prayers are nothing less than a last Hope before one confronts something they consider a lapse in their Christian Gods scheme of things.

  1. Colleen McAllister's Avatar Colleen McAllister

    I feel sorry for those who ignore the connection between faith and science. Which is harder to believe- that things "just happen" or that out there somewhere is a divine presence that oversees and directs all?

    How can you see the intricacies of the universe and see randomness? How can you not see the commonality between the structure of a galaxy and the structure of an atom?

    Far from being a dismissal of medical science this elevates those who practice medicine to a higher level of those who pay attention to God and His designs.

    1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

      What's wrong with believing or having faith in Christ? That has nothing to do with random? Christ just is. There's no science in having faith. A football team doesn't apply science in winning a game. Believing that the substance of truth confirms in them winning as a team. No matter what plays they run. There faith supports the plays. In other words, they walk/play in their belief.

      1. Dean Leslie Forrest's Avatar Dean Leslie Forrest

        🤣 A football team VERY MUCH applies science in winning a game.

    2. Dean Leslie Forrest's Avatar Dean Leslie Forrest

      Your not being able to understand how people can see the universe without invoking gods, does nothing to advance your reason for believing in one.

  1. Minister Carlos Ricardo Walls's Avatar Minister Carlos Ricardo Walls

    Yes.I'm a firm and staunch believer in prayer.In our world as it is today prayer brings about miracles.

    1. Dean Leslie Forrest's Avatar Dean Leslie Forrest

      No one doubts your belief in it, just in its effectiveness.

    2. P. Keith Benefiel's Avatar P. Keith Benefiel

      A miracle is simply something of low probability that happens. The opposite is a freak accident. Prayer makes naive folks feel better about it.

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    The efficacy of prayer has been studied for decades, and has been proved to be just as non-effective as crossing one’s fingers, or touching wood.


    1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

      Isn't it the same for homeopathic ?

      Blessing Rev. Jean-Anasthase.

  1. Nicholas J Page's Avatar Nicholas J Page

    Why not I suffered head aches after a brain op for 4 and a half years everyday which pain killers did not work.I went to a church group where my friends put their hands on my arms The organiser put his hand on my shoulder and said a prayer for me and next day the pain had gone.So yes I believe in the power of prayer

  1. Donald Richard Starns's Avatar Donald Richard Starns

    "I'll pray for you" = "I want some credit for caring, without actually having to do anything that takes any effort or that actually works." (The prophet R. Gervais)

  1. Rev Ned's Avatar Rev Ned

    Anytime tragedy strikes, politicians (mainly Republican'ts) ask for “thoughts and prayers” to help with the situation. So, whenever I receive a begging letter from a pol, I cross off the dollar amount requested and write “thoughts and prayers” on it and mail all the stuff back to them in the return envelope provided.

  1. Lisa Rose Morton's Avatar Lisa Rose Morton

    I don't believe in God .Yet I truly believe that prayer or positive thoughts sent for a person do help especially with healing. It doesn't matter if the person is praying to a religious God or to Nature or sending thought waves. The even remote practicing does help. I have received the benefits of it myself..

  1. rebadams7's Avatar rebadams7

    I prayed for healing And thine will be done I prayed for the medical team And thy will be done I prayed for his family and his teammates And thy will be done I have always believed there were only three answers to prayers, yes, not yet, and I have something else in mind for you. If you have faith, you know the Lord will do what the Lord believes his best in any situation and yes, there are tragedies and yes, blind faith in prayer alone, to deny his miraculous gifts in the amazing medicine and surgeries we have at our fingertips. Today would also be a denial of what up, but I believe to be God’s power in the world by giving us those gifts and the practitioners who use them so well in the end, prayer gives comfort and gives us all something to do when there is nothing at all we can immediately do. Perhaps some of those prayers also urged people to go into action, to learn CPR and also to support his good work through his foundation, I also believe in all things work together for the glory of God, we may not be able to see it right away, but sometimes in the end, the truth comes out.

    1. Angele's Avatar Angele

      Yes,rebadams7 agree totally. Thank You!

      Copied and pasted from Wikipedia… The parable of the drowning man, also known as Two Boats and a Helicopter, is a short story, often told as a joke, most often about a devoutly Christian man, frequently a minister, who refuses several rescue attempts in the face of approaching floodwaters, each time telling the would-be rescuers that God will save him. After turning down the last, he drowns in the flood. After his death, the man meets God and asks why he did not intervene. God responds that he sent all the would-be rescuers to the man's aid on the expectation he would accept the help.

  1. Michael Hall's Avatar Michael Hall

    I'm on Rev. Hannigan's side. He put it a lot more gently than I would have. What would have been the response of the nation if Mr. Hamlin had died? What was your response when your prayers failed to keep your grandmother alive after her fall? Either 1) "God has called [him or her] home", or 2) "We mortals cannot understand the will of God". However, the null hypothesis, that there isn't a god or gods to pray to or to care if we do, hasn't yet been disproven.

    1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

      I has been proven, only to believer. God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.

  1. Rev. Dr. Father JJ's Avatar Rev. Dr. Father JJ

    The abrogation of science, of education, of common sense is rife throughout the world as a result of religion. All one has to do is recognize that one needn't go to school, any school, to believe in fantasy. It requires no education, no study, no effort at all; simply announce to world, demand their respect and expect everyone to admire and copy you in your religious fervor

    Why does your goD, who is supposed to be all powerful resort to the most basic of desires, that of being worshiped? Why would your goD of the universe, who controls all, who knows all, who created all...stoop to having to be worshiped by his puny little creations. It makes no sense. It's so stunningly childish and stupefyingly ignorant to actually believe that your might goD needs to be paid attention to, needs to be worshiped, needs to be idolized, needs to be the center of attention at all times by all peoples.

    Deny science, deny logic, demand that your illogical, irrational and dangerously stupid belief is all you or anyone else needs. Your goD is there looking out for you, until he/she/it isn't. And when that happens you give your goD a pass, you claim to suddenly not understand the mind of your goD - whereas before you seemed to know it perfectly - that he/she/it is a mystery and that they have their own reasons. In other words your goD saves when they feel like it and ignores all as their mood dictates. I

    f your goD can be so unpredictable, so random and so indifferent to his creations then one must conclude that people were created as a form of entertainment by your goD for your goD's amusement and all the hoop jumping, all the kneeling and abasement, all the huge churches and monies raised, the thumping, the shouting, the wars...all in their/she/it/he's name, all encouraged by your goD simple because it amuses him/it/her/they/them. your goD let's people die, horribly through cancer, war, starvation, disease, torture...all because it amuses him. And yet, like that whipped dog that keeps coming back to it's master, tail between its legs, all it wants to do is lick the hand the beats it.

    1. Angele's Avatar Angele

      My God does not need to be worshipped because my God isn’t the God of man’s religion. My God isn’t out there looking out for us because my God isn’t separate from us. People created the God you speak of. People who have been on the other side experience a different God with a love which is inconceivable here.

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @John P Maher Not true, John P Maher. If everything is possible can you dig a hole using a shovel with rope for a handle? Can you make yourself younger? Know anyone who hasn't died who is over 150 years old? Can you jump high enough to reach the moon?

      You see there are just somethings which are not possible.

      It's 100% certain the sun will rise tomorrow for the next million years. It's 100% certain you will die as will or did your parents and grandparents. It's 100% you will die if you don't eat food or drink water.

      And there are things which we are 100%... ALWAYS.

  1. Kathleen Dobie's Avatar Kathleen Dobie

    The answer to the prayer is found in the coming together of people showing goodness and kindness and love to Damar Hamlin. It is the very best of humanity on display for all the world to see. I'm so happy that Damar is recovering, but I wonder had things gone the other way and he had not survived would people then say all the prayers were useless, and that God did not answer or hear them? As wonderful as his survival story is, the bigger story here, and the true miracle in all of it, is in seeing how people responded and that at the core, people are good. God must be smiling. That's good enough for me!

  1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

    The question is "is prayer the BEST medicine".

    I'll answer this: "is Homeopathic a medicine" ? What about placebo medicines ? And what about "energizing water with a spin drawn on the bottle" ???

    Prayer is certainly the best medicine for the soul, and that's good. But lying about false medicine that normally should heal the body is incomprehensible to me...

    Blessing Rev Jean-Anasthase

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Rev. Jean-Anasthase Sadly you are wrong. I have seen prayer KILL more people than it has saved. I worked in pre-hospital emergency care and watched as parents of young children but their faith in God prayed for a cure as their child died in their arms. Had they trusted modern medicine cures and science their child would made a full recovery and be alive today.

      We are seeing this right now with COVID. People who are placing their trust in modern medicine and getting vaccinated are far less likely to get sick and die from COVID than the people who put their trust in God and prayers.

      I have yet to meet one Christian who was having a heart attack who trusted in prayers to save their life. They always give up on prayers and want modern medical care from trained professionals.

      1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

        You did not read my comment, did you ?

        OK then. You "trust". That's the point. Trust is a belief. Not a science. And medicine is all but a science. Medicine is an art.

        Why did you replied ? please remind me.

        Blessings, Rev. Jean-Anasthase

        1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          @Rev. Jean-Anasthase I read your comment. I agree with you trust is based on belief.

          Depends what type of medicine you are referring to. I should have stated I was referring to modern medicine and not faith healing or non-science based or unproven/fringe medicine.

          Modern medicine is a practice that's based on science, scientific research, scientific method and studies. The doctor ultimately makes a decision on how to best treat the patient. I have never been called an artist and I don't know of any other medical other medical professional referred to as an artist. But I do get your point. There is an art to practicing medicine, but if one is truly practicing the art it's based on science and critical thinking skills.

          1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

            So you don't believe in a too much humanized god whom talk to people through other people not doing injury at all... But you trust labs, false scientist and scam trials... industry that make thousands of injury and billions of dollars of thievery... They are good, for sure.

            OK, That's great. Continue to trust them.

            Did you one day hear about "First do no harm" ?

            Blessing, Rev. Jean-Anasthase

            1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

              @Rev. Jean-Anasthase As a heath care professional who has treated thousands of patients I do not believe in lying to my patients or families in telling them praying to a mythical God will cure there loved one. Does telling loved ones prayer will or might help? Absolutely. If prayer and modern medicine cures their loved one prayer gets all of the credit. They then tell others the power of prayer cured their loved one, and that they should but their trust in God and prayers instead of modern medicine. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a young mother holding a dying infant which could have been easily cured with modern medicine just a day or two before. The mother being told to believe in the power of God and prayers will cure their baby give it a try as perosseous time passes and their baby gets sicker. The reason they come to me for modern medical care is because God and prayers isn't working. And sadly the delay seeking modern medical care is what results in their baby's death. Every had to tell the mother that the baby they are holding in their arms going to die? When you know they caused their child's death?

              Do I trust all labs and all labs results? No. But if it's a reputable lab which has proven to be trustworthy I will give the results a lot of credibility. I should also say I have worked in a lab and tend to trust my results. But there's always the possibility I might make a mistake and my results should not be tested.

              False medicine and scam trails is why we have modern medicine to expose false medicine as being false and scams as being scams.

              Rev. Jean-Anasthase if you or a loved one were having a heart attack would you want doctors to pray to God to be saved? Or would you put your faith in modern medicine. well trained doctors and the lab results they rely on to save your life? I have yet to have just one patient ask me to save them with prayers.

              "First do no harm" is something you practice? I certainly hope so. If someone is sick and dying seeing modern medical care should be the first thing that should be done. If you are saying prayers first, you are causing harm. (I hope you stop it.)

              1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

                OK. You DO NOT read what I wrote. This is obviously because you have the same activist veil you reproach to believer as you believe in a god named "medicine", and I would not feel secure to be close to you as I am a "Big Satan" to tell another speech than you.

                If once you truly read what I wrote, you will see I DO NOT SPEAK about biological health...

                But That's certainly the "open mind" the medicine school give to students. Maybe (and I say maybe) you've never kill someone with your medicine, but it makes no doubt that will append. I hope for your mental health that it will be a stranger and not one of your beloved.

                Tell me : why do you argue in a house of Satan's of F***G believers like this forum. Do you mind converting any ? Are you appointed by someone to troll ?

    2. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

      The question of this article WAS "is prayer the BEST medicine". The title changed to "does prayer save lives". This is no more a good answer...

      Blessings Rev. Jean-Anasthase

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        @Rev. Jean-Anasthase Hard to answer the question when the questions keeps changing.

        To answer the questions one has to understand what is meant by "best medicine". Best for who?

        1. Rev. Jean-Anasthase's Avatar Rev. Jean-Anasthase

          Not for labs I guess...

  1. Terry W.Waddell's Avatar Terry W.Waddell

    We all are tools of the Divine. Good or Bad depends on the practitioner.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Terry W.Waddell Maybe you are a tool for the divine, but can't tell if you are good or bad. I'm not. And I think you'll find most young people would laugh at that statement which is why they don't want be Christians... Which I guess is a good if you look at what Christians are doing to our country.

  1. Guy E. Sanders Jr's Avatar Guy E. Sanders Jr

    I have been an EMS professional for a quarter of a century in the New York City area. In addition to the hundreds of calls I've responded to daily, I also responded to the terror attacks of 9/11 at the World Trade Center and to the rescue and recovery efforts in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

    I must say that faith can be helpful when dealing with illness and difficulty. Confidence is an aid in recovery. But there have been many times when it seems to me that it is medical intervention, not prayer, that helps and it is the medical professionals doing their jobs who deserve the credit. A case in point, I once responded to a call of an unconscious child. Apparently she had choked on food at a family gathering, went unconscious and stopped breathing. Upon my arrival there were no fewer than 15 people standing around, some of whom were praying audibly. This little girl had no pulse. We did all we could, including getting a police escort to the hospital but the child expired. CPR before we arrived would have helped her much more than our prayers.

    I know of many 9/11 first responders, myself included, who contracted cancer and other serious illnesses for our response to that horrific event. I know that prayers went up as soon as many heard about the tragedy. Yet, I lost colleagues that day, including a 24-year-old single mother, a 25-year-old father of two who had just gotten off work but returned to assist and who died wit a child in his arms and many more years later from those cancers. Prayer did not help those who sacrificed themselves on that day and it is medical intervention that is continuing to keep many of us alive.

    I do not discount the power of faith, but even the apostle James said, "Faith without works is dead." People continue to pray for cures to cancer and other chronic diseases but it is the hard work of many in the medical profession that helps these individuals and brings about breakthroughs. If it was through prayer alone, I am sure that with all the prayers that we put forth for our loved ones, these things would have been eradicated fully by now.

    Let's not diminish the contributions and dedicated work performed by our medical professionals on every level by ascribing everything they do to "the power of prayer".

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      @Guy E. Sanders Jr I too worked in pre-hospital emergency care. I have seem parents holding their dying young child in their arms while praying to God to make their child well. Those prayers have always resulted in the death of a child. Yet I am standing their begging them to treat their child with modern medicine, science and the years of training I received and would have been able to save their child's life.

      Not sure about you, but have you ever had one patient who was having a heart attack request you to pray to God to save their life? Or do they always choose modern medicine, science and the expert medical training you received.

      I have yet to have just one patient who requested prayers, but have thousands who always want modern medical care to save their life. Do you find the same?

  1. Rev. Jim Sutton's Avatar Rev. Jim Sutton

    It's a shame that he was injured in such a way; however, I find that prayers are more for the people saying them than for whatever the prayers are directed at. On a slightly unrelated subject, I can't help but think that if Damar Hamlin had been White, the game would NOT have been stopped. I firmly think that once he was removed from the field, and a few moments pass for everyone to get their heads back in the game, the game would've continued. It's happened before with the near on-field deaths of other pro players --- Chris Hughes (NFL) and Chris Prongel (NHL). So what made this time any different?

  1. William Langen Burgoyne's Avatar William Langen Burgoyne

    I certainly believe in the power of prayer in behalf of anyone's need whether it be for healing or anything else. Consequently I believe that God definitely answered their prayers for Damar and god acted in accordance with His Word which says: "And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:11) (New International Version).

  1. Deidre M White's Avatar Deidre M White

    Prayer is definitely a must, but God works through doctors and medications, too. I don't understand why this has to be an either/or situation. It was very powerful to see all of those people come together and pray to whomever they believed in on Damar's behalf, and I believe that had an immediate impact. After that, not only did people everywhere continue to pray, but doctors and their medical teams worked hard to held him in his recovery. Why can't this be a situation where faith and medical science worked hand in hand?

  1. Gregory B Crowder's Avatar Gregory B Crowder

    It is just an observation that everyone "prays" in some way to one degree or another regardless of faith and/or beliefs. Although most don't realize they are.

    The seed of thought I like to plant in general, but especially in debates such as this is....

    Stop and think about how The Powers That Be are perceived in general. This is a vast spectrum so I leave this to you individually.

    Consider this, when you pray, wish for, think of, etc. Is what follows that which you may or may not have asked for? In this case, Damar Hamlin had a heart attack. Countless people prayed, wished, thought about etc. He wound up with medical personnel that brought him back to health. Starting with the first responder on the field.

    This is just an outlook and can definitely be delved into much deeper.

  1. Daniel Todd Kamm's Avatar Daniel Todd Kamm

    All of that said, the University of Cincinnati is a top state of the art teaching hospital , one of the best in the nation. There's nothing wrong with hopes and prayers, good tidings or the rest of it. Feel free to stick a positive pin in a doll, let loose a leach, handle a snake or light a candle, whatever. But if I have a cardiac episode, as they say at UC "There's Hope in Science." And it's less than a mile away and it's UC 4 Me! Reb tk

  1. Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson's Avatar Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson

    I deeply believe that the gods and goddesses to whom I give worship are real. I also believe that they have bigger concerns than the health of any individual being, animal, plant, fungus or other.

    As I have told folks since I survived pancreatic cancer (active disease, treatment and healing over the course of much of 2015): While prayer can be a salve for your soul, Medicine IS the balm for your body.

    A lot of folks prayed for me, which buoyed my spirits. BUT, it was the knowledge, skill and expertise of the doctors, nurses and other medical personnel who effected the cure.

  1. Angele's Avatar Angele

    The parable of the drowning man, also known as Two Boats and a Helicopter, is a short story, often told as a joke, most often about a devoutly Christian man, frequently a minister, who refuses several rescue attempts in the face of approaching floodwaters, each time telling the would-be rescuers that God will save him. After turning down the last, he drowns in the flood. After his death, the man meets God and asks why he did not intervene. God responds that he sent all the would-be rescuers to the man's aid on the expectation he would accept the help.

  1. Barbara J Crable's Avatar Barbara J Crable

    Praying contributes to healing. Immediate CPR contributes to healing. So, the answer is yes. This has been proven time and again. CPR training saves lives; as a Registered Nurse I have seen this multiple times. As a born again Christian I have seen this happen multiple times. I am five years free of cancer because of the surgical team at City of Hope and the prayers from my family and friends across the country. It’s not any different.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      No it hasn't, Barbara. There is little, to no, evidence that anything is attributed to prayer. The efficacy of prayer has been shown, by numerous studies since 1872, to be ineffective. You are more than likely to be free of cancer due to the science and care given my medical professionals. There is no way of knowing if prayer works, by any religion, even yours. You can have thoughts of believing it does work, but that doesn't mean to say it does.


      Congratulations on your healing, and please give credit to science...and yourself.🤗


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