A politically charged Nativity scene erected by a Chicago-area church is grabbing headlines and sparking outrage across the country.
Lake Street Church, a progressive congregation about 15 miles outside of Chicago, put up the controversial display in late November, and it didn’t take long for images of the Nativity to explode across social media after they posted photos to their Facebook page.
In the manger lay Jesus, wrists zip-tied together. Mary and Joseph stand behind, their faces in gas masks. Nearby, Roman Centurions dressed in tactical vests, face masks, and ICE patches loom.
Inspired By Real Events
The shocking imagery was inspired by recent events in a nearby Chicago suburb, where 300 federal agents raided an apartment building in the dead of night – a building officials say harbored members of the Tren de Aragua gang.
Among the dozens of arrests were also four American children, who were taken into custody, reportedly zip tied, and held for hours until they could be placed in the care of a guardian.
The Nativity display draws obvious parallels to the event – but as you might imagine, the imagery of baby Jesus bound in zip ties, with the Romans reimagined as modern ICE agents, has evoked fierce debate and even fiercer emotions.
Zip-tied Baby Jesus
If you’re thinking that the symbolism is a bit on the nose, church head the Rev. Michael Woolf would agree with you. “This installation is not subtle because the crisis it addresses is not abstract,” he explained, inviting viewers to engage in conversation about “what sanctuary means when families fleeing violence are met with separation, detention, and dehumanization.”
“Some people might see this scene and call it a ‘sacrilege’ or ‘profaning of a sacred thing,’” he continued. “What we really believe here at Lake Street Church is that what really profanes the sacred is when people are kidnapped and abducted off the streets, when they’re brutalized, when they’re held in torture conditions.”
“We know that Jesus was born into a Roman imperial occupation, and pretty much immediately becomes a refugee in Egypt, has to flee and faces political violence,” Woolf stated. “So we have to ask: what would it be like if Jesus were born here today?”
The Outrage Begins
Commenters online were split on the display, with some commending the church’s bravery and others lambasting it as over the line. “Blaspheme much?” wrote one Facebook commenter. “Non-Christians,” said another. “Real Christians would never do anything to the Baby Jesus or His Sacred Mother Mary. Sorry.”
The display is even garnering primetime attention from mainstream outlets.
“A woke church set up a truly horrifying Nativity scene,” said conservative pundit Sean Hannity in a segment dedicated to the display. “I guess the war on Christmas is back, isn’t it?”
Still, many have come to the defense of the church’s display, and Rev. Woolf says that the local response has been overwhelmingly positive. Pointing to the controversy, one Reddit user observed that “nothing pisses off fake Christians more than people being Christian."
“I love it,” agreed another. “Actual Christ followers in action.”
ICE Nativities Go National
Lake Street Church isn’t the only church using their Nativity display to comment on the immigration crisis.
A display at a Catholic Church at St. Susanna Parish in Dedham, Massachusetts, shows a manger with shepherds, sheep, and three wise men, but no Jesus, Mary, or Joseph. Instead, a sign reading ‘ICE WAS HERE’ sits in their place.
Church leaders have resisted calls from the Catholic Archdiocese of Boston to remove the display, arguing that the display is in line with Catholic principles and is in no way blasphemous. “That some do not agree with our display does not render it sacrilegious,” said the Rev. Stephen Josoma.
Blasphemy or Bravery?
It’s abundantly clear that these churches are utilizing biblical imagery to draw sympathy for immigrants. But is it appropriate to put baby Jesus in zip ties and draw comparisons between ICE and Roman centurions to make a political point? Critics say no.
On the other hand, these church leaders clearly view the immigration crisis as the social justice cause of our time. And given the ICE raids in neighboring communities, the pain clearly hits close to home. For them, the Nativity isn’t just a story, it’s a mirror held up to the present moment. Could it be that inflammatory imagery is needed to open necessary dialogue?
What is your response?
143 comments
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Deborah Jane Vogel
These ICE-themed Nativity scenes are Christians speaking truth to power and a reminder to their communities that THIS is one of the unlawful and immoral threats posed Trump and the Republican regime pose to American democracy. Voices, especially Christian voices, like this are needed across this country and the world.
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Shawn David Spencer
First, I think we should view this as what it is, a byproduct of an oppressed society that is looking for a way to express their suffering. Though bold and maybe a little extreme, I do not see it as sacrilegious, blasphemous or heretical. It is the meek crying out for help.
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Ricky Westbrooks
The meek crying out for help? By showing a "Baby Jesus" with it's hands bound by zip ties in a manger scene in front of a church? What's going to happen next, a statue of Jesus in a rainbow hued robe with Angels that have rainbow colored wings? Somebody has read what they wanted to see in the Bible. Definitely not Gods word thats for sure. If any of this was Gods word it would have come out many years ago. Do some more praying and studying. I never push Christian values on people but I do point out ideals. When you start quoting scripture you show yourself fanatical. Quote scripture only in response to show truth. Jesus spoke truth but never quoted scripture, only that "It is written." The manger scene is too extreme and evokes the wrong message. No child has ever been "zip tied." So quit pushing the agenda.
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Michael Hunt
Here's a 14-year old US citizen being zip tied by ICE. It's not an agenda, it's reality.
https://www.kivitv.com/canyon-county/fbi-modifies-statement-on-reports-of-zip-tied-minors-in-wilder-raid-after-questions-from-idaho-news-6
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Sir Lionheart
Oh good! Serves him right for being a very naughty boy. I bet Santa won’t be bringing him many gifts this festive season.🤭
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Michael Hunt
What did this child do wrong? They are a US citizen and ICE is putting them in zip tie handcuffs As far as I can tell, the government has provided no justification for the detainment of this 14-year old US citizen, but to you he must be "a very naughty boy" apparently.
They're also not the only US citizen who has been assaulted or wrongfully detained by ICE.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article312817097.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/mother-speaks-out-after-teen-with-disabilities-mistakenly-arrested-in-immigration-raid
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/children-zip-tied-wilder-raid-fbi-said-no-maybe/277-a75ad714-29b9-4ff4-98d6-95ba108277c4
It is monstrous to defend the behavior and actions of ICE officers when they are racially profiling US citizens and abusing children.
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Sir Lionheart
Yep, and there will be more troubled youth in zip ties, and jailed, until they come to realize you don’t mess around with federal law-enforcement employed to do their job of enforcing the law.
Tis the season. ICE is the gift that keeps giving. 🎅
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Michael Hunt
So you're not even going to tell me what this child apparently did wrong while still accusing them of being "a very naughty boy?"
These are not criminals or troubled youth being zip-tied, they're US citizens who are being detained due to racial profiling and you're defending it. In fact, you're cheering the racial profiling of US citizens and abuse of children by ICE officers.
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Sir Lionheart
I have absolutely no idea what this little tiny kindergartner (14 year old young adult) did, that warranted being zip tied, but if federal authorities felt it was necessary, then it was, despite any spin by the news media.
Try not to let your hate syndrome for this administration keep kicking in. It is totally preventing you from accepting critical thought. If not, you will always see the glass as half full.
If there are any more 13, 14 or 15 year-old thugs, claiming to be innocent, that think they can get away with breaking the law, let’s hope they are quickly detained and get to learn an adult lesson.
Happy New Year, Michael.🥂
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Michael Hunt
So they're guilty until proven innocent? By no account has the child, who is legally a child and still years away from being a young adult, been accused of any wrong doing. You're positing that if law enforcement has zip-tied someone, they must have committed a crime. You're not interested in holding people accountable, you just want to round up people who don't share your skin color.
What if police showed up at a family member's door and said, "you're under arrest," without charging them with a crime? This family member hasn't done anything wrong or illegal, as far as anyone has said, but still the government is coming to detain them for an undetermined time. That's okay to you, correct?
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Sir Lionheart
Again, skin color has nothing to do with anything. Why are you so fixed on skin color? Skin color is just a genetic pigmentation and has nothing to do with someone being legally detained.
We don’t have all the facts of his detainment, and due process in court will determine his innocence or guilt. If found guilty I doubt most of the media will cover it, but I hope they do.
It seems your judgement of law enforcement is deeply clouded by your TDS. I genuinely am so sorry about that. There’s nothing I can do to change your mind, but hopefully the success of the next 3 years, just like this last year, might help.
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
So you support them strip-searching young kids, and doing worse to them, and having 100% immunity?
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Sir Lionheart
If they have been very naughty boys, absolutely. They are not above the law as this list shows of those who you would possibly like to class as little children. They are just as capable of pulling a trigger and killing people, as these “children” (mass murderers) have done.
Ethan Crumbley 15 Philip Chism 14 Devonn Thompson 15 Jesse Osborne 14 Kosta Kecmanovic 13 Gabriel Ross 15 Kaeden Holland 15
Bottom line: Commit adult crime, serve adult time.
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Rev. BH
Lion, Unless you're an underage "naughty" white boy with a name like Jones or Smith. Then you're not disappeared.
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Sir Lionheart
Trust me, there have been times when I have been a very naughty boy, but never to the point of ending anyone’s life like Ethan Crumbley, who is a white boy, that killed 4 students and injured 7. I’m not sure what skin color has to do with anything though, which is often a very silly mantra the left love to push.
Happy new year to you, and everyone, no matter what your skin color is. May the ground you walk upon always be firm.
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Pastor George Day
"It is written" is indeed a direct quotation of Scripture. As Jesus is the incarnate Word, asserting that he did not quote Scripture is ontologically inconsistent, Ricky Westbrooks.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Here’s the thing: this church isn’t evil, sacrilegious, or “woke” (a word that’s lost all meaning anyway). What they’ve done is symbolic—and intentionally uncomfortable.
That isn’t the baby Jesus. It’s a doll. The outrage seems less about faith and more about refusing to sit with the message being conveyed. Real children are being zip-tied in the middle of the night. I understand why that reality troubles people enough to reflect it back to us.
If Jesus were to return today—born to poor parents, fleeing violence, crossing a border without documentation—he wouldn’t be welcomed. He’d be detained. Many of the same Christians offended by this display would likely call him a fraud, just as they did the first time.
The point of this nativity isn’t politics for politics’ sake. It’s a moral question: do we see the humanity of children, even when their parents broke the law? Christmas, of all seasons, asks us to wrestle with that.
It’s Christmas. We can argue policy all year long. But at least for a moment, let’s tamp down the hatred and remember the dignity we claim faith teaches. Merry Christmas, and happy holidays to y’all.
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Peter James R Webster
Jesus was a revolutionary. He spoke against injustice and hypocrisy. To me, this nativity scene does not misuse Christianity, it represents the true meaning of being Jesus-like; standing up, raising daring questions to the rulers and leaders of his time. The creche depicts the reality for many people in this country. It holds the mirror to our society...a view that some might find upsetting or offensive. Personally, I think this piece is covered by the First Amendment to the US Constitution, re: freedom of speech, which also covers artistic expression, as well as freedom of religion. I also applaud the person(s) who did this. Happy, Bless-ed Holidays to all.
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Donald Sam Vicari
I am totally against using Christianity in any way for politics. Would they do this to Islam?
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Brien
It was the Christian zealots that used their "belief " as a political weapon. And yes, Islam is also used by its own zealots as a political weapon. Trying to control what people think is the very basis for all the mythical beliefs. In all of the largest beliefs there are those who wish power and use their beliefs to obtain it. Human behavior has not advanced very much in the last few hundred years. Fear and ignorance still exists today. I am glad you are against using Christianity as a political tool, unfortunately the rest of Christianity disagrees with you. Peace ✌️
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Pastor George Day
Donald
Some people express concern about the possibility of Muslims influencing Western societies with Sharia law, believing this to be their objective.
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Rev. Donut
Illegals are not "immigrants".
Immigrants come to the USA legally. It costs them a lot of time and sometimes money to come the country they want to live and work in. They come, learn the language, become citizens, work, pay taxes and assimilate into the USA and love America.
Illegal criminal aliens come to other countries to get the freebies, rob, steal, loot and worse and hate America or wherever they land but don't want to go back to "the place they love the 'mostest"
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Sir Lionheart
Totally agree with you. That’s exactly how I immigrated to the USA. It wasn’t easy and it took two years but it was well worth it. During one of my interviews I was asked what skills I would be bringing with me to add value to my application. To me, that’s how it should be done if a country has ambitions to grow and succeed in this world.
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Pastor George Day
Sir Lionheart, wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas filled with peace, joy, and holiness. :-)
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Brian Hand
Illegal is illegal. Regardless of age. Every one of them needs to be removed & follow the law.
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Rev. B.D. Rees
Bigotry and Discrimination are an Ugly thing, and once any socital entity gets it started Freedom is truly at stake. This is the way the present administration is directing this hunt for aliens and who they call illegals, by Hate, Bigotry, and Discrimination!! They justify their Hate by saying those who are not White evangelical Christians are indeed here by illegal means. This of course is absurd and moronic thinking, however, they keep this by saying the lie that they are gang members and have indeed broken our laws.
I will agree those being here illegally and not on a pathway to citizenship should be sent to the back of the line when seeking asylum. I do not agree that those who wish to seek asylum, and are here with the legal right and are complying with our laws should be harrassed and made to feel afraid because the Presidents personal police force called ICE is after them. Our Country was founded on the principal of Freedom for our citizens. Our Statue of Liberty reiterates our values of Freedom when it is written at her feet "Give me your Tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, the homeless, send these the tempest tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the Golden door." This is America to me, not the yearning of a Bigot President and his Gestapo. If Christ had been born today, Mary, Joseph and the child would have been in a detention camp run by ICE or dissapeared all-together!! I say "GO" to those who ICE thinks they are being embarrassed by....-
Rev. BH
Poor armed to the teeth, armored and masked ICE! So easily embarrassed! So easily angered. So easily cruel. What a great job for unemployed thugs. Akin to DOGE jobs for bedroom techies.
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Denise R Harmon
Good for them! ALL churches should be spotlighting the atrocities happening now
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Daniel Todd Kamm
I am Jewbilating ! At once a commentary and a condemnation of our times, the hopes and fears we all share, and a light shining on the choices we are all required to make every day ... towards the "other."
The problem is (thus) proscribed.
Though a cute little non-white baby Jesus would have been very nice too...! tk
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James A. Ridings
The police who are searching for a killer or a robber should go into whatever location the killer or the robber can be found--EVEN IF THAT KILLER OR ROBBER IS HIDING OUT IN A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL OR A PRIVATE HOME. That killer or that robber needs to be apprehended because he/she broke the law. We must enforce the laws of our land in order to be an orderly society. The same logic applies to apprehending a person who broke the law by coming here illegally and/or by staying here illegally. Only when the "law" on illegal immigrants is sufficiently changed to invoke the "woke culture's view of how and when to protect a lawbreaker" should we not search ANYWHERE THE CRIMINALS CAN BE FOUND IN ORDER TO ARREST THOSE WHO BROKE OUR LAWS!
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
So you are equating coming here seeking Asylum to being a Mass-Murderer or a violent home invader? Shows your heart has turned black rather than following the scriptures.
And, btw, over 90% of those being arrested and deported are NOT BREAKING OUR LAWS. Hell, SEVERAL are US citizens who were simply rounded up and deported without due-process, and were brutally murdered in the death camps they're being sent to, only for it LATER to come out they were innocent US citizens who's only "crimes" were being born "not white".
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David Buck
The very fact that they are in the US without passing through the immigration process means that they ARE violating at least one US law.
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The Reverend Father
This response is not only well put, but it is also very concise and grounded in the realities of these days. I ask that you also provide some receipts on this matter so I may use as a source in citations. Thank you for your time in this matter.
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The Reverend Father
As you become subjected to what we have always been subjected to, your views will change. Note: 'you' and 'yours' are also meant metaphorically.
Peace & Blessings from the Reverend Father.
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Tom Herman
No, this church is entitled to exercise their 1st amendment right to free speech like any other person or corporation. If people are offended, then maybe they should search themselves and reflect on why they are offended. Coming to gripes with one's own bigotry is never easy.
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Cam Kirmser
These "nativities" are a vile evil. They must be removed immediately and the "churches" that put them up closed.
These fraudulent displays are lies put out to push a false agenda. Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem in COMPLIANCE with the law. They were by no means in Judea illegally. Even if they were, to use this Event as a tool for a political agenda is beyond the pale.
Evil walks freely in these places and by invitation.
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Shoshana Tso Savyon
I sense some have forgotten the meaning of Christmas! God fathered a son with a human virgin woman. This child had a hard life which he endured totally to open the path for individual salvation. He has had more influence over the World than anyone in the last 2,000 years. The creche is not for advertising political opinions or personal bones to grind. It's to celebrate his birth. It's a place to take children to learn and take time to stand and contemplate. It's a place to celebrate Jesus's birth and God's infinite kindness in creating this wonderful being. Please don't take that away from us.
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Ronaldo
Jesus was born in His mother's country of origin, not to an immigrant. Why would ICE even be involved? Is it that the church has no knowledge of the details of His birth?
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Patricia Ann Gross
They are showing what would happen if Jesus was born here to immigrant parents.
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Brien
I am a bit confused, perhaps one of the neo-nazi right wing zealots can help here. 1. It was the Christian zealots that voted this mess to power. Now churches are complaining? They voted for a CONVICT for president, what were you expecting? You got what you wanted, now live with it. 2. It isn't what they are doing that is disgusting, it is how they are doing it and how they are representing it. It looks like a bad game show. The orange oompaloompa even looks to get rewards for looking like an a$$. As someone who served, my contract is with the constitution, period. No man, nor woman. To protect against all threats, both foreign and domestic. I am sure you've heard this before. Right now, in my view, the republican and democrat parties have failed the constitution and this country. 3. Everything that is happening now is OUR fault. We stopped paying attention years ago and we let the words "By the people for the people " get trampled into the ground. Now you object? Where was your outrage back when this started? The younger people don't know any better, but the older people do. It was YOUR job to teach, but you gave that up to the government. Now that we are where you all wanted to be, why can't you just live with your choices?
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Patricia Ann Gross
The churches that are complaining are NOT the ones who "worship" this behavior, nor is it the message of the churches in question. "The Church" is as divided as the American population. There is the "Right-Wing Evangelical Christians (many aligned with MAGA), and the Progressive Christian movement that is fighting what MAGA stands for. You will have a hard time fining a Progressive Christian who voted for Trump. Obviously, just like politics, you will find Christians that are in the middle somewhere, but The Church is becoming as polarized as the politics.
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Brien
Patricia, I must disagree with you. If you are part of a "belief" that has claimed so much power, that has participated in so much destruction in the name of your belief, then you must own the good and bad of the belief. You don't get to cherry pick and then say it wasn't your church that is responsible. Your entire belief is responsible, and you support it. I am sorry if this response upsets you but that is fact, not belief. Peace ✌️
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Patricia Ann Gross
That is like saying that Republicans and Democrats are all the same because they are all Americans. In many respects they are polar opposites in ideology that love this country and want only the the best for its people, just have different views on how to accomplish it. Same is said for evangelical versus progressive Christianity. There are those that fall in the middle and various areas between the polar ends of both, but they are definitely not the same.
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Brien
Again, no, it is nothing like that. Political system is a form of government, in our case self government. Laws are not a belief. Christianity is 100% belief, with little fact. It is not supposed to be a Political party. If you wish it to be, then it's time to pay taxes. The belief is supported by all of the members, and that makes all the members responsible for it's actions. Peace ✌️
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Patricia Ann Gross
Both are groups of people with specific "beliefs," one in the way the world was created and organized, and the other in the way the government should be run. I stand by what I said. You can agree or not. That's your choice.
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Brien
I am sorry, but your response is a circle of double talk. You can't alleviate the responsibility of YOUR belief simply by denying it, you support a belief that has grown in hate and bigotry. Of course, you have the right to believe as you wish. I am sorry that you cannot see the harm that has been done. The world was NOT created by your belief. It was used as a weapon. Not just Christianity however. All organized beliefs are used in similar fashion. All I am saying is that it's very convenient to cherry pick a belief to avoid the responsibility of its actions. Peace ✌️
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William Patrick Bradish
Righteousness begets outrage. ICE activity is criminal not christian.
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Ken Martin
ICCE is jut doing their job. It was Biden that allowed the inflow of Illegal immigrants. Trump now has to clean up Bidens mess. Don't blame ICE for enforcing the law that Biden refused to. This stuff is nothing more than WOKE propaganda.
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Steven Ferrell
Amazing how people just say immigrants and leave out the main point….ILLEGAL is the main thing.
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John Robert Peters
That is of course if you can afford it and can survive until all the roadblocks...as well as threats in the nation you are trying to flee. Recall the US refused to give refuge to Jews fleeing Nazi murderers. They too were expected to apply, wait, and be sent to a concentration camp during the delay.
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LORD RICHARD WELCH
I am SO SURPRISED that a church (Universal Life) would be ok with this politically hateful display, BUT, seem to put down anything that would make HALF of your Ministers feel hated for their conservative religious doctrines?!!!!! I guess Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion ONLY MEANS if you are a conservative leaning Church then we don't include you!! ONLY those who agree with the WOKE ideology. Can you see the hypocrisy????? DEI only means them!! We are NOT allowed OUR Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion!!
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Michael Hunt
Where does this article say the ULC is okay with or in support of this? These articles are intended to create discussion amongst differing viewpoints. Instead of engaging in the discussion, you seem to be throwing a fit that the ULC would even bring attention to this display and immediately playing the victim.
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Pastor George Day
Michael Hunt, precisely.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
"Did they go too far?" Let's see. Did a church protesting the inhumane treatment of human beings go too far by creating a diorama that expresses their feelings on the subject and offended some people? I think the phrase "too far" doesn't even begin to belong in the same subject as people being attacked and disappeared by Trump's masked brownshirts. What the church displayed was not a threat. ICE's very existence is a threat to everyone.
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Patricia Sydney Solis
Real Christians would never create something like ICE or Alligator Alcatraz. Only Satan does that. ICE invades the sanctity of the Church. Zip-tying children in the middle of the night? Soulless, inhumans do that, led by a mad dictator/Caesar. ICE = Nazis and anyone who defends this is complicit. Also, art is the way to express what is unconscious. Carl Jung says: Therein lies the social significance of art: It is constantly at work educating the spirit of the age, conjuring up the forms in which the age is more lacking. The unsatisfied yearning of the artist reaches back to the primordial image in the unconscious, which is best fitted to compensate the inadequacy and one-sidedness of the present. The artist seizes on this image and, in raising it from deepest unconsciousness, he brings it into relation with conscious values, thereby transforming it until it can be accepted by the minds of his contemporaries according to their powers.
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Ronaldo
Jesus told His followers to render unto Caesar what is his, meaning obey the laws of the land. Some non-Christian churches are trying to replace those laws with their own these days, and it is not working out well for them or their neighbors. ICE has a job to do, based on US laws, and anyone who thinks they should just abandon their responsibilities should take steps to change the laws they think are wrong. That is how a representative democracy is supposed to work.
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Michael Lynn Scott
Yes they do have the right but churches should be fo religious and spiritual activities not political anger
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Mrknowitall
Deport. Deport, Deport !!!
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Robin Anne Hannon
If you don't like it, don't look. People need to stop being such self-centered whiners. I understand what they are trying to convey. Things have taken a very ugly turn since Ice. Everyday people are being whisked off the streets never to be seen again. Conditions in these places are subhuman. I am horrified and saddened. This is not the America I grew up in.
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Cam Kirmser
These are displays of Evil. They are vile works made by followers of Satan. Joseph and Mary were OBEYING the law when they went to Bethlehem.
I don't know what America you grew up in, but I thank God it wasn't mine.
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Robin Anne Hannon
That's absurd. It is not evil nor Satan. When the law is unjust there is nothing in scripture that says obey it. Even Jesus overturned the money changer's tables. I guess he was Satanic by your definition.
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Robin Anne Hannon
I grew up in an American that was inclusive. One in which we had Martin Luther King, we had Winston Churchill and great orators to push forward an America that held the principles for which it stood, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Where religion was personal not political. Where young hippies gathered en mass to protest the War in Vietnam. It was a time of learning, of suddenly opening up eyes to the difference between freedom and license. THAT is the America I grew up in before it received a fatal heart blow by the current administration.
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Scott Smith
Beloved,
How do you know they are followers of Satan? What led you to this conclusion?
I'd really like to know. Maybe I missed something.
Thank you...
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Robin Anne Hannon
Scott you missed nothing, this scripture taken out of context to suit this person's agenda and bigotry nothing more.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
This is too funny.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
And yet there is no mention or outrage by the Christians for the nativity scene where Jesus is in a hangman's noose hanging from a tree.
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Rev. BH
And where do we find that, Douglas?
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Dr. Darryl G Dykes
The display is a statement against oppression and cruelty from racist. Just remember who push to get him elected after he warned everyone that was what he would but the "religious" groups pushed to have him.elected and now are weeping what they sewed. This is why I think we need to get back to making church and politics illegal. The ministry has no business in elections.
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Robert Gagnon
Raiding church property definitely opened a door. You attack one church and many will respond. You don't like the message, don't give them one to use.
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Keoni Ronald May
This escalation of political protest, has gone too far. If it continues to go forward, there will no longer be any boundries.
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Rev. BH
Keoni, I'm not afraid of protest. I'm afraid of what's being protested. If you're more concerned about a Jesus doll in zip ties than ICE thugs beating down men and women in the streets, ripping apart families and zip tying actual human beings, you have nothing more to say to me.
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Sir Lionheart
I’m sorry you see federal law enforcement as thugs. If people would peacefully allow for the detainment of those that have broken our laws there wouldn’t be any need for what you like to think is “beating down men and women”. Federal law enforcement, or even local law enforcement, shouldn’t have to be in a position to physically defend themselves when they are conducting the right to track down and detain illegal aliens.
If families are “ripped apart” as you say, by the decisions undertaken by those adults who took the risk of entering the USA illegally, knowing full well that they could be detained at any time, that responsibility rests on the heads of those adults, not those trying to enforce the law.
Am I correct that if someone illegally breaks into your home you would call law enforcement to get them out if you couldn’t do it yourself…..right? Even if it meant that person would temporarily be split from their family while in jail. Or are you one of those that don’t have locks on their doors and will allow as many people as possible to just walk in and do what they want in your own home?
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Patricia Sydney Solis
Trump pardoned a former Honduran president convicted of smuggling cocaine and weapons while committing extra-judicial mass murder in the Caribbean! He's pardoned other convicted fraudsters, felons. It's a mobster presidency of epic hypocritical, thieving proportions along with the blind followers who hide in his shadow.
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Rev. BH
Patricia Sydney Solis, amen, sister! You notice Lionheart, the Inartful Dodger, has had no reply for this.
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Martin L Stigleman
"Federal law enforcement"? Tell me...what "Law" were they enforcing when they deported a Naturalized, Purple Heart military veteran to Vietnam? What about when they threw a tear gas canister into the moving car of 2 American Born Citizens and their one-year-old baby girl? What about the woman they grabbed from standing on the street one night recording their raid on her neighborhood? What "Law" were they enforcing when they cut her wedding ring off her finger?
The comment was made that "We need strong borders, but we need compassion, as well.". Do you disagree with that?
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, of course we need compassion, and hopefully if anyone broke the law performing their duties of peacefully detaining illegal immigrants they should be investigated and held accountable. Let’s hope that sanctuary cities, and sanctuary states, peacefully allow homeland security to detain those who have entered this country illegally.
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Rev. BH
Lionheart, Patricia and Martin's comments go blindly ignored in your seemingly considerate but unrelated, repetitive, responses. This has been your mode throughout all the blogs here. You do not believe in God, but your worshipful support of Trump takes it place.
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Sir Lionheart
I’m sorry you see it that way. Do I think President Trump is the best thing since sliced bread? As a person, absolutely not.
In 3 years time he will be replaced, hopefully with someone that can follow in his footsteps making America great again. I don’t see that person being anyone from the left. They have absolutely no business sense whatsoever. Obamacare was a disaster, and Biden took this country into the highest inflation this country has ever seen.
In January Democrats will be able to sign on to TrumpRx.org to get the lowest prescription prices on record. What a brilliant strategy that is. 🤣 How many of them will do it? TDS is a terrible illness to overcome. 🤭
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Rev. BH
Obama, Biden, Obama, Biden always your mantra, as if bringing up the past negates the present.
Did you watch Trump's address last night? Shouting, babbling, off into incoherencies. Or the day before when Sleepy Don dozed off again at his desk. Do you actually watch him or just listen to the praise of others?
I want you to come back here and rejoice when TrumpRx goes into effect with a mathematically impossible 600% reduction in prescription prices! Wow!
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Joyful Kwanzaa, Blessed Yule, to all the kind hearted.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, President Trump is really very different isn’t he, bless him. At least he isn’t asleep on the beach like Sleepy Joe Biden was most of the time.🤭
I’m so excited about TrumpRx.org, aren’t you? I’m fairly sure that butt hurt cream will be one of those prescriptions that you can get from there, so just thank President Trump when you get it.
Have a wonderful festive season. 🤗
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Michael Hunt
"Different" is a strange way to spell "unhinged" or "unwell." Saying Biden was always asleep on a beach somewhere (weird lie but okay) isn't a great way to defend Trump falling asleep in cabinet meetings either. If your defense of Trump is that he's not Biden or Harris, you really don't have much of a defense.
If TrumpRx actually lowers prescription drug prices for all Americans I'll be very excited. Curious how they're going to lower prices by 600% but I'm all for it. From what it seems like though, my insurance copay for my prescriptions is already cheaper than the prices predicted to be seen from TrumpRx. I'm happy to be wrong here.
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Sir Lionheart
It’s totally okay for you to think that President Trump is unhinged. I think you’re going to find over the next three years, if this year is anything to go by, you are going to see a continued improvement here in the United States. Inflation has been arrested and is no longer increasing at Biden‘s rate of 9%. No taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security. Considerable lower prices for prescription drugs “up to” 600% less than current prices. Those on Medicare and Medicaid, will see the greatest benefits. NO illegal immigrants have been let into the country over the last seven months. Not bad for someone who feels tired after that effort, and that is only in the last 12 months. I am really excited and looking forward to the next three years. He could prove to be one of the greatest presidents ever if he continues at the same rate as the last 12 months. Let’s all hope he does for the benefit of all of us American citizens. So far he is putting sleepy Joe Biden’s efforts, or whoever was controlling the auto pen, to shame.
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Rev. BH
Butt cream - classier and classier.
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Patricia Ann Gross
But Sir LH,
A corporation is NOT a democracy, it is a dictatorship. Do what the boss says, or get fired, even if that boss tells you to do something you know is illegal. Trust me with this, I've lived it. When I refused, I was demoted, and then laid off after working there 22 years. Karma kicked in and the CEO eventually spent 10 years in jail for the very thing I refused to do, which was an SEC violation. That's what you get when you put a business person in charge of a country, an oligarch who's used to having every whim attended to like a monarch. There is a reason why most polititians are attorneys: Like them or not, at least they understand the rule of law.
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Sir Lionheart
I do understand your point of view, however, look at how a President such as Obama, who never ran a business in his life, created a mess of the unaffordable healthcare, (Obamacare), which was supposed to be affordable.
Notice how New York, a Democrat run sanctuary state who have overspent feeding and housing illegal immigrants, are refusing to honor no tax on tips, and no tax on overtime, because they need the money from its underpaid citizens. 🤷
Let’s see if you have the same opinion of Donald Trump and the countries finances at the end of his presidency. Don’t forget that Biden gave us the worst rate of inflation ever seen by a President, of 9%. What a legacy that was that President Trump inherited. He has at least managed to bring that down to below 3% (2.7%), Making America Financially Healthy Again. 🤭
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Patricia Ann Gross
Sir LH,
What's with the "whataboutism?"
Was Obamacare perfect? No, but it was a better than what we had before it. Remember not being able to change jobs if you (or God forbid, a child) had a chronic preexisting condition because you would not be covered for and your new job wouldn't pay you enough to weather the medical expenses? I knew several people with kids who had diabetes, and I had a kid with asthma, and we were stuck in a dead-end or toxic job because we couldn't risk not having coverage for any period of time.
Remember the time when your children fell off your health insurance before they were out of college and had jobs that would provide insurance for them and having to pray they wouldn't get sick or hurt?
Let's talk about what the Republicans are doing to the ACA subsidies right now. I have friends whose insurance for their family jumped from $350 to over $2,000 per month through the healthcare marketplace. This example is a pastor friend of mine with three kids who makes too much to qualify for Medicaid.
Remember the time when an employer was not required to provide group health insurance for wage earners? Many full-time workers who were paid hourly had to buy their own unless they qualified for Medicaid.
I guess you're not old enough to remember the double-digit inflation rates under Carter and Reagan. If you really want to know a disaster of an economic policy, Reaganomics (trickle down economics) was laughable, and the reason why all of our domestic jobs suddenly went overseas. Rather than raising the wages for workers who spoke the language and lived in the time zones of the customers, they hired thousands of people in India and China and paid them less than what minimum wage is here in the US. That's how you make America great, but it only works for those very few that are at the top of the income brackets.
BTW, the inflation rate when Biden left office was three percent not nine, and even at nine, wasn't the worst of any president.
Now you want the Federal Government infringing on States rights? New York is free to set their own state taxes and the Feds aren't allowed to interfere. Just because Trump is removing it from the W2 and through the IRS Federal withholding doesn't mean states have to follow suit. Some states don't have income taxes and every state apportions and taxes property differently, so what's your issue with NY? Are you waiting tables there now?
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Michael Hunt
Whataboutism is the only card LH has to play.
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Sir Lionheart
Oh yes, how silly of me, Biden took inflation up to 9.1%, during his leadership, “the highest in 40 year's”, not the highest of all time. Phew! He dodged a bullet there. Great job Joe Biden. Only 9.1%. 😂
Can you imagine what the outcry would have been from the left if Biden had removed tax from tips and overtime to help low paid workers and some red states insisted they pay taxes? CNN and their ilk would have had a field day slamming the right and you know it. Would you have come up with the same lame excuses supporting red states for taxing tips and overtime? I think not!
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Michael Hunt
More whataboutism... yawn.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Wrong. 3 percent when he left office. Trump just makes things up, and people like you believe it. I'll stick with the scientists, economists, and doctors when I need correct and technical information.
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Sir Lionheart
Correct, it was lower by the time he left office, thank goodness, but that was “after” the damage had been done earlier in his presidency at 9.1%, or did you forget those increased prices at that time? They were embarrassing times for you I’m sure.
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Michael Hunt
Damage caused by a global pandemic that saw inflation for everyone. Most countries experienced higher inflation rates when global trade routes slowed. It's disingenuous to claim that the high inflation rate was the direct fault of Biden. Inflation was also falling faster than the rest of the world by the end of his term. We both agree that Biden sucks, funny enough. You think he sucks for reasons contrary to reality, though.
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Martin L Stigleman
"if anyone broke the law performing their duties of peacefully detaining illegal immigrants they should be investigated and held accountable"
AGAIN, you are ignoring FACTS!!
ICE agents don't wear any type of identification. This is so they can't be held accountable for what they do. This ensures that no one can point them out as the person who illegally assaulted someone. Their records don't show the person who detained an individual or who delivered them to the facility.
"If anyone broke the law"? SERIOUSLY?! These agents are breaking laws on a daily basis. You want them to do anything they can to catch "illegal aliens"...do you include permitting them to "Illegally" enter a home? How about "illegally" assaulting a human being? NO!...Not "assaulting an Illegal immigrant"...a HUMAN BEING. Because the US Constitution states that until that person is judged IN COURT, they CAN NOT be determined as "illegal". Nearly all detainees aren't getting to go to court. If they did, it would be shown that most of those currently being deported are here legally. Most of them are her under what was normally a protected refugee status...they trusted our Nation to protect them, and they are now seeing that we are just as hateful as what they were running from.
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Sir Lionheart
Bless your heart, it sounds as though you are really upset that we now have an administration that truly understands border security. It’s a shame, isn’t it, that we have so many illegal immigrants willing to buck the system of legal immigration? The best thing they can do is follow suit like 1.6 million have already done and volunteer to return home, then they wouldn’t be in fear of being found.
I noticed you made reference to “most of those currently being deported are here legally. Most of them are here under what was normally a protected refugee status...”. This of course is totally false. If you honestly think most of those 20+ million people who came across the border under Joe Biden‘s administration were legal, you are grossly mistaken. I bet you think those illegal aliens flying the Mexican flag and not the American flag are here legally….right?
ICE agents don't display names primarily due to risks of doxing, threats, and assaults against themselves and families, especially targeting dangerous criminals like MS-13; ICE states they identify their agency but conceal personal details for safety. I’m sorry you don’t agree with that, but that’s the way it is while ever we have illegal aliens hiding away, and while we have illegal riots from sanctuary city/state citizens trying to prevent ICE from doing their job. I’m sorry you disagree but try and have a nice festive season under this wonderfully elected administration.
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Michael Hunt
As I've proven to you in the past, LH, 20 million people did not come across the border during the Biden administration.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/
The Trump administration has revoked TPS and refugee status for more than 675,000 people, and they are now eligible for deportation.
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/24/trump-immigration-temporary-protected-status-myanmar-burma-somalia
ICE has detained more than 170 US citizens in their raids and objectively abused many of them without cause that would justify use of force.
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will
Personally, I know many legal immigrants, as well as American citizens with Mexican heritage, who fly the Mexican flag. I also know many US citizens who proudly fly the English flag, would you accuse them of being illegal immigrants because they were flying that flag?
I also happen to live in a sanctuary city and I'd love for you to tell me where these "illegal riots" are occurring, because I have not seen or heard of them. I've seen some legal protests here, and many others throughout the country, and they've all been peaceful until ICE and CBP start shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at protestors. I'm sorry you disagree with reality but have a happy holiday!
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Sir Lionheart
ICE cannot fire rubber bullets and spray tear gas if no one is there pushing and shoving, and trying to block ICE vehicles. I’m sorry if you haven’t seen or heard about that on the news channels. I’m not sure what you are looking at if you think they are peaceful protesters.
You’re right. It’s possibly not 20 million illegals under Bidens administration, President Trump says it’s at least 25 million. 🤭
I’m amazed if ICE has only detained 170 US citizens. I would have thought it should be much more from what I have seen by protesters behavior.
I have no problem with people flying flags of their original country, but if they love America, which of course many of them don’t, it is obviously not the best thing to take to a protest. I suspect that many of them are American citizens flying foreign flags. I also fly the English flag outside my home at times, but it is always in the correct place under, or lower than the American flag.
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Michael Hunt
I've seen these protests; there are thousands of videos! Not a single one I've seen shows protesters being violent enough to justify the force used against them. I will concede that there's probably some protesters who have gotten out of hand, but I have watched countless videos of completely peaceful protesters being fired upon and having tear gas canisters thrown at them. People literally standing out of the way are being tackled from behind by ICE agents for any cause officers can drum up to try and justify the unjustifiable.
You're literally advocating for fascism: the state using violent force to quell dissenting voices and opposition.
Many people today love America but are ashamed of the country we have become. A country that protects the uber-rich and demonizes the very minorities the rich are exploiting. A country that does not take care of it's fellow citizen. A country that refuses to recon with its history of racism and slavery. A country being run by an administration that is attacking the checks and balances set up for our government in the constitution. A country run by an administration who targets perceived enemies and dissenters with lawsuits or the revocation of their student visas.
I love America, but I want it to be better than it is today while conservatives want to go back to a time when it was only a great place for wealthy white people.
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Sir Lionheart
It’s totally okay for you to disagree. Fortunately, the electorate at the last election disagrees with you. This is what we voted for. I do realize it must be very difficult for you knowing that your candidate did not win, but not to worry, only another three years left before another election.
ICE is the gift that keeps giving at this festive time by returning home those that shouldn’t be here. I’m sure the parents of Laken Ripley, a 22 year old that was attacked and brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant, must be pleased this administration is doing so well in closing the borders and removing those who should not be here. Laken Riley, like many others that have been killed by illegal immigrants, should be alive and enjoying her life, falling in love, getting married, and ultimately raising a family. My heart cries for her family, and so should yours.
Your love for America is very frail. I’m so sorry that you don’t support the law and order of this nation, and don’t support returning home those who have violated American sovereignty, no matter who they are.
As a legal immigrant to this great country I’m sorry you don’t love this country as much as I do 🇺🇸. If you had been born and raised elsewhere you might have done.
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Michael Hunt
This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing, it's about you not accepting reality and instead drinking the conservative propaganda Kool-Aid that constantly lies about what happens at these protests.
If you voted for brutal deportations, murdering fishermen in the Caribbean, tariffs on everything, tax breaks for the uber-rich, higher health insurance costs, the demonization of legal immigrants, stripping legal asylum seekers of their legal immigration status, only allowing the uber-wealthy and white to immigrate here, and the destruction of American democracy, you're certainly getting what you wished for.
My love for America is quite strong, but it's not blind. I support law and order in this nation, though it doesn't seem to apply to the rich and powerful these days, but the current administration is pardoning violent rioters who attacked our capital, criminal fraudsters, and drug traffickers who are friendly with the president. I support providing legal means of immigration for these people who contribute so much to our communities but are regularly denied the ability to do so.
The death of Laken Riley is a horrible tragedy. You're using her death to demonize a group of people who commit less crime than citizens, though. You don't actually care about her, you care about using her death to attack immigrants.
You do not love this country as much as I do. You love the power and privilege this country gives you as a white man. You care only about consolidating more power for yourself at the expense of others. You do not want to make America great for everyone, only you and yours.
Go ahead and keep dodging criticism levied at you and move the goal posts all you want. You can live in your conservative bubble and believe whatever lies you want. You are a fascist, and there's nothing more un-American than that.
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Sir Lionheart
Bless your heart. I can tell you are really hurting. Try as best you can to think positively. If you really work on that you will start to see things differently, and hopefully you’ll find this next three years to be not as bad as you might be expecting.
CNN are really struggling right now due to their very myopic journalism so you might have to change your viewing soon, but with a bit of luck it could be bought out by people who can see things clearly and hopefully they’ll clear out the dead wood if that happens.
Oh, and by the way, Laken Riley wasn’t the only one killed by illegal immigrants, just in case you think she was. It’s still going on, and not just in this country, Biden has a lot to answer for, and so does Gavin Newsom issuing truck licenses to illegals that cannot even read English, our national language, that have killed American citizens on our roads.
Anyway, hang in there as best you can. 🤗
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Michael Hunt
Bless your heart. I can tell you're really struggling to address any criticism directed at you. Blind positivity is delusional; it ignores problems as long as things appear to still be working for you.
Who said I watch CNN? Who even watches CNN these days, or any major news television network for that matter? The vast majority of it is meant to sensationalize events to draw more views to their channels and it's, frankly, quite exhausting.
I'm well aware that undocumented immigrants commit crimes, including murder, unfortunately. Again, though, you are using their deaths to demonize an entire group of people who are overwhelmingly less likely to commit crimes than US citizens.
Lastly, I don't care if the reality TV show host decreed English to now the national language of America, this country was not meant to have a national language because it is a country of immigrants with a wide range of spoken languages.
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Sir Lionheart
我完全不同意你的觀點，尤其是如果你要成為司機，就應該能夠閱讀和理解道路標誌，並且理解執法部門的指示，以防你因違反法律而被攔下。
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Michael Hunt
Being able to read road signs is a requirement to passing a drivers exam... You have proof people are being given driver's licenses without passing an exam?
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Sir Lionheart
You very clearly haven’t been following the news have you?
You really are quite deeply infected more than you realise. Your healing is totally in your own hands. I genuinely hope you can get through the next 3 years, and the way things are looking for the Democrat party, it could be much much longer.
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Michael Hunt
Oh I follow the news, I just haven't heard of or found any accounts of people receiving their driver's license in CA without having first passed a written and driving exam. In fact, the requirements to receive a license as an undocumented immigrant explicitly states that you must be able to pass a knowledge test and a behind-the-wheel test.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/assembly-bill-ab-60-driver-licenses/
Since you appear to have seen this in the news though, could you let me know where I could read about this happening. I would gladly change my position and denounce those in CA who are breaking the law.
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Sir Lionheart
Here are just 700 that Washington’s licensing agency says they didn’t qualify, and they say it was their mistake issuing them licences.
https://www.facebook.com/ClarkCountyToday/posts/washingtons-licensing-agency-says-it-mistakenly-issued-nearly-700-commercial-dri/1339833071494646/
I’ve heard that some couldn’t even speak English, so how they could pass a written test is beyond me, unless someone who could speak English stood in for them. 🤷
Investigations are underway in California with an intent of trying to understand why 17,000 truck driving license licenses were issued to undocumented illegal immigrants.
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Michael Hunt
That's very interesting and disappointing to hear that Washington licensing agencies issued 700 licenses to those who didn't qualify. However, nowhere in the article does it claim that the immigrants didn't take an exam as part of their application. It's not in question that undocumented immigrants legally receive driver's licenses in some states. You're saying they didn't have to take an exam as part of receiving the license, and that's just patently false.
It also doesn't matter if the applicants speak English or not because, as you could see from the CA DMV link I proved to you, they issue the written exam in multiple different languages.
Also in the article you provided, California is "revoking 17,000 commercial driver’s licenses issued to immigrants because the licenses had expiration dates later than the drivers were allowed to remain in the country," so any investigation isn't looking at why these licenses were issued to undocumented immigrants, they're looking at why they expire on a date after they were supposed to have left the country. These 17,000 licenses are not, from everything that I've found, being revoked due to competence, but clerical errors.
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Sir Lionheart
Are you seriously under the impression that potential CDL license holders don’t need the ability to read English, knowing many traffic signs have directions written in English?
I’m not saying they didn’t have to take an exam. What I’m questioning is how they were able to take an exam if they were not conversant with being able to read, and speak, the English language, which is a requirement.
“Federal regulations have long required that commercial motor vehicle drivers must be able to read and speak the English language well enough to:
Converse with the general public and law enforcement.
Understand highway traffic signs and signals.
Understand official inquiries and respond.
Make entries on reports and records.”
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Michael Hunt
Well the vast majority of road signs are unique symbols that don't require reading comprehension to understand, so you wouldn't necessarily need to read English proficiently to drive in America, or pass a driver's exam.
As I've already shown, the applications and exams are available in multiple languages, not just English. If the exams weren't adequately testing their required knowledge of the English language or at least not enforcing that requirement, that's been happening for decades under administrations from both sides of the aisle, but only now has it been made into an issue for political points.
Once again, you're targeting a vulnerable group of people because of the actions made by one person in that group. I'm fairly confident there are plenty of US citizens with CDLs who also cause terrible accidents or drive dangerously, yet you're not questioning the qualifications of US citizens who are truck drivers.
If companies or agencies are intentionally taking shortcuts or skirting the rules to hire drivers who aren't properly qualified, shame on that company or agency. If their records aren't being monitored well enough and that's leading to people being licensed longer than they should be, they need to fix that. What you have been positing is that immigrants who lack the qualifications to be a competent commercial driver are being given CDL's but you haven't shown that to be the case. You've only shown that errors were made in the length of time a license was issued for in CA and WA issuing standard CDLs instead of non-citizen CDLs to less than 700 drivers.
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Sir Lionheart
My text-to-speech acts like he’s in witness protection—won’t even say his name. LOL
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Michael Hunt
Well, it seems we’ve entered the magical land of woke political correctness, where common sense takes a long vacation. The truth is as plain as a traffic sign: if you’re an illegal immigrant, it’s time to pack your bags and call it a travel adventure. Period!
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Michael Hunt
You're showing your ignorance of the immigration issue in America if you think that the solution of packing your bags and leaving is that simple or even possible for some undocumented immigrants. Some have been here for decades, having been brought as a young child, and they have no other country to call home. Some simply can't afford to leave the country and go somewhere else without being homeless. All this would do is create bigger problems elsewhere.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes , it’s a huge problem that the parents created for themselves and their children isn’t it when they decided to enter the country illegally, or overstayed their visas? They very clearly didn’t think it through. 🤷
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Brien
My friend Lionheart, It's not what they are doing that is the problem. It is the bad game show performance that is the problem. This country is so much better than what is on display by the current administration. I agree that immigration is an issue. I also agree that the flow of drugs that are killing people must be stopped. All things being equal, alcohol should also be a scheduled narcotic as it has also killed thousands. There are processes and procedures and protocols that MUST be maintained. That is what separates us from ALL other countries on this planet. If we lose who and what we are as a nation, then what is the purpose for being United? Peace ✌️
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Sir Lionheart
You raise some good points, but please can we not schedule alcohol as a narcotic……until at least after this festive season. 🤭
Cheers 🥂 and have a wonderful holiday and have a happy new year.🤗
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Pastor George Day
Sir Lionheart, remember Noah after the flood—just a touch of tipsiness from the wine, and things got a bit awkward. You definitely don’t want to end up like that! LOL
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Brien
What about? Shouldn’t it be banned as well? It claims far more lives than alcohol, and let’s not forget—nicotine is a drug!
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Pastor George Day
Brien
What about smoking? Shouldn’t it be banned as well? It claims far more lives than alcohol, and let’s not forget—nicotine is a drug!
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Brien
I agree. But remember, tobacco and alcohol equal TAX money. It always comes down to that.
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Rev. BH
"Or are you one of those that don’t have locks on their doors and will allow as many people as possible to just walk in and do what they want in your own home?"
Who are "one of those"? Do you know any? Very silly.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, we have many who are quite happy to let as many people as possible into our own home country of the United States. They are mostly left leaning citizens who would definitely not want them in their own home, but are quite happy to have them roam free within our home of the US.
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Rev. BH
"Or are you one of those that don’t have locks on their doors and will allow as many people as possible to just walk in and do what they want in your own home?" Your words, Lionheart.
Ah, home country. Nice equivocation!. I suppose "no locks on your door" is a metaphor for the incomplete, falling down border wall we're waiting for Mexico to pay for?
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Sir Lionheart
I doubt Mexico will pay for it. Biden was willing to sell much of the incomplete infrastructure rather than help to install it. What a totally inept president he was.
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obere mchugh
its there right to do that which they wish, all other opinions and comments are just that opinions and comments that are personal. they are doing a statement piece here and its working. i applaud them for it and id do the same thing.
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Shirley Jean Davis
I see no reason for these churches to remove their politically charged manger scenes. Jesus agrees that all men are created equal and did you know that Jesus wasn't white? He lived in Israel and was a full-blooded Jew.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Lets not let the truth get in the way of what people are told to believe.
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Robin Anne Hannon
Shirley Jews come in all colors. I'm guessing he was probably the same color as his Arabic brothers, but hard to know we weren't there.
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Cam Kirmser
"He lived in Israel and was a full-blooded Jew."
Gee, really?
Here I thought he lived in downtown Miami and was full-blooded Viking. Wow, the things one can learn here.
That aside, Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem to obey the law. These vile displays are fraudulent lies to push a political agenda. Churches shouldn't be involved in politics at all and any that do must have their status ripped from them and be forced to pay taxes.
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Scott Smith
The Church has always been involved in politics...
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Rev Ned
If the truth offends you…It ought to.
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Nicholas J Page
Wtf sacrilege leave it out .
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Pamela Kay Waters
Churches don't like ICE because churches are the ones that bring a lot of these immigrants here through the church. They set them up in homes sometimes brand new, new cars and take care of them. Why don't they stay out of other countries and look at what is happening to our own elderly and veterans right here.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I don’t see anything christian about your fallacious claims. “That which you do for the least of my bothers, that you do unto me.” That’s what JESUS SAID! We need strong borders, but we need compassion, as well. We don’t need any American Gestapo units roaming around. Churches should reflect the values of their savior. This church did. Bravo!
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Robin Anne Hannon
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Because that's not what Christians do. They need new recruits.
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Najah P Tamargo
Najah Tamargo-USA
If the shoe fits......GO FOR IT!!!!!
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Colleen McAllister
Totally agree with this church. If the nativity upsets people and gets them thinking then it is performing its duty.
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Cam Kirmser
It is false propaganda. It is simply some political activists spitting on the Bible. This "church" must be closed and all of its leaders censored, their credentials ripped away.
Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem in compliance with the law. Only ignorance, perhaps willful ignorance, would claim otherwise.
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Scott Smith
Didn't the White House spit on the Bible by bombing and double bombing in the Caribbean? ...Thou Shall Not Kill
According to you, this government's leaders "must" be censored and their credentials ripped away.
It just the nature of political activists everywhere...
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Rob
Matthew 25:35-40:
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’
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Donald G Magel
Just more of that leftist WOKE stuff to the christian right!
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John Robert Peters
Well Jesus was woke in the eyes of the Pharisees and Saducies. Of course even w the rise of Hitler churches were mostly silent. Then there were the pogroms, inquisition, and Crusades all strongly supported by Christians who opposed leftist empathy and compassion for others.
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Jesus WAS zip tied arrested, and EXECUTED by Roman Soldiers, after He freed a bunch of animals from a slaughterhouse. So it's not sacrilegious. It is comparable to the Pieta.