Was Jesus really a man? Is it possible we've had his gender identity wrong this entire time? During a panel titled "Queer Theology," a reverend made the case that Jesus was actually transgender.
"I think Jesus 'transgenders himself' on a number of occasions," stated Simon Woodman of London's Bloomsbury Central Baptist Church.
"I think if you look at the foot-washing from John's Gospel, foot-washing elsewhere, in both Old and New Testaments, it's consistently done by women, and yet Jesus takes that on," Woodman told the audience.
But that wasn't all.
Jesus Christ, Gender Norm Smasher?
"People often cast [washing feet] as being the servant's role; it was the woman's role. And Jesus does it, and becomes the woman at that point,” said Reverend Woodman. “We’ve observed that he’s unmarried, he’s childless, he defies gender and sexual norms of his day, he’s known for associating with those whose known sexual history or gender identity may be ambiguous,” he continued, calling all of this an antidote to “heteronormative idolatry.”
The clip, recorded last summer, made waves on Twitter last month courtesy of the account Woke Preacher Clips, who uploaded the footage.
The reaction from many Christians was frosty.
“I need to ask God for forgiveness just for clicking & listening to this blasphemy,” one user tweeted in response. “How much radiator fluid does one need to drink before they start spouting this nonsense?” pondered another.
Yet despite the outrage, this is hardly the first time someone’s imagined Jesus as transgender.
Portrayals of Jesus as LGBTQ and critical examinations of the Bible through a gay point of view are increasingly common, challenging conventionally held beliefs about Jesus’ sexuality and gender.
He/Him is Risen
Late last year, a German Bible museum hosted a play mere weeks before Christmas that reimagines Jesus as a trans woman, and hosted exhibits depicting Adam as LGBTQ. That caused such a stir that it even prompted a response from one of the United States’ most well-known religious leaders.
“A profane perversion” is what evangelist Franklin Graham said of the museum’s display, saying that it was a “sick” attempt to bring God down to the human level.
He also pointed to the Bible’s use of masculine pronouns to describe Jesus and God as proof that they couldn’t possibly transgender. “the Bible only refers to Jesus Christ as a male,” he argued. “The Bible has many names for Jesus, including Son of God, Son of Man, Prince of Peace, King of Kings, and the bridegroom of the Church."
Critics insisted that the pronoun argument doesn't hold water. Trans men use male pronouns. Perhaps Jesus was born a biological female, they point out.
What do you think? Is it worth exploring the possibility that Jesus was gay or trans?
122 comments
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John Condron
First, Franklin Graham is NOT "one of the United States’ most well-known religious leaders." His father was just that. He is only the beneficiary of his father's nepotism, desperately seeking relevance.
Second, no, it will not be worth exploring the possibility that Jesus was gay or trans. We should first explore the question of whether he was real; that there ever was a man named "Yeshua of Nazareth."
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Geoffrey C. Olive
“And the Lord said unto this land there shall come a great profit.” That’s all xtianity is about! Making life comfortable for its officials at the expense of the ignorant gullible sheeple who believe the made up nonsense about a sky daddy with a son who at best can only create a face on a piece of toast! Is that evidence of an imaginary being that can create a universe out of nothing? Believe that and you’ll believe anything!
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Janet Marie Moland
anyone read Pope Joan? one of my favorite foods. And the ending says a lot!
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Reverend William Reynolds
Jesus was not Queer or Transgender, he has a daughter named Sara with his companion Mary Magdalene the prostitute. Most people don't believe the DaVinci code but as a religious philosopher I break everything down and unravel the hidden mystery of life.
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Minister William Jackson
Leave the Bible alone 1st it is a great help and support to all who really needs prayers and help. 2nd . There's no proof of that. And the Bible is my favorite book. As well as others. 3rd of course we're titled to our options. So Carrie on. But we'll find the truth soon. I'll die over God's words and his love and blessings and believing in the Bible God's words!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rev. Kev
Simon Woodman's knowledge of the Bible and Church history appear lacking. Foot washing, besides being a ritual for entering the Temple, was a cultural sign of hospitality. Abraham is established in the Jewish tradition as the great model of hospitality. In the Testament of Abraham it says, “Then Abraham went forward and washed the feet of the commander in chief, Michael. Abraham’s heart was moved and he wept over the stranger.” Foot washing might be done by the wife of the host, but it was most often done by a servant. And this is the context in which Jesus is making the point of being a servant. The first shall be last. The mighty shall be laid low. He is the model of being a servant to others.
Which is why the practise of washing feet is a practise in the very early Church. Tertullian is one of the first writers to acknowledge that footwashing was practiced as part of Christian worship.
Athanasius said, “This bishop shall eat often with the priests in the Church, that he may see their behavior, whether they do eat in quiet and in the fear of God. And he shall stand there and serve them; and if they be weak, he shall wash their feet with his own hands. And if he is not able to do this, he shall cause the archpriest or him that is after him to wash their feet. Suffer not the commandment of the Savior to depart from you, for all this shall ye be answerable, that they likewise may see the lowliness of the Savior in you.” He said, “That they likewise may see the lowliness of the Savior in you.” This is profound in that it gets at the sacramental aspect of footwashing. It is not necessarily the action of washing the feet that makes clean, but rather, the participation in the humble act of the Lord and Teacher.
Chrysostom similarly urges Christians to imitate the actions of Jesus. He said, “Let us wash one another’s feet” He said. “Those of slaves, too?” And what great thing is it, even if we do wash the feet of slaves? For He Himself was LORD by nature, while we were slaves, yet he did not beg off from doing even this… Yet what shall we then say, we who have received the example of such great forbearance, but do no imitate it even slightly, and who, on the contrary, adopt the opposite attitude: both magnifying ourselves unduly and not rendering to others what we ought?"
So the Bible, Jewish and Christian traditions show us that foot washing was not the sole work of women. Washing feet did not "make" one a woman. It is not a gender issue. It's a practise that began as hospitality and became a practise of humility and following Christ.
It's REALLY a reach to try and shoehorn gender activism into this.
On a personal note, I'm not sure why Jesus has to be trans for this modern generation? Isn't he good enough for people to follow as a simple male? I'm sure someone will see my comment as "anti-trans" but that would be kneejerk reactionism and false. I'm not anti-trans. And I can see that people across time have molded Jesus in whatever image they see fit for their lives and beliefs. I've just lived long enough to see that not all change is necessarily positive. And not all things new are necessarily better. Maybe relax a little and let some things just be. Especially if changing something doesn't really change anything at all in the end.
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Rev Mark D
You make too much sense. Bad Reverend bad bad Reverend. No soup for you.
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Minister Raydeen
Washing of the feet, is to show you, i am no better than you. Will we wash feet today? you have to be a servant before becoming a Leader. Right? Look at yourself will you wash the homeless man feet?
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Rev Mark D
No, I guess some of these people and whoever started this off thinks of washing the feet as a gender identification statement. Go figure. Good enough to have been included in Life of Brian.
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Robert Clay Sherrod
I think Simon Woodman needs to read more of the Bible before he makes another statement like that again. In the END we will all know.
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Rev Ned
Reminds me of The Bard of Avon. “Much Ado About Nothing”
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That's pretty much it in a nutshell, Rev Need. Tally ho and away we go!
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Richard Lee Cornell
Was Jesus a creation by Rome as a insult to the Jews who wanted a savor to save them from Rome. Ye got a savor now shut up.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Ehrman, this blog isn't a good place to strive for high ideals, or expect to become a hero. They'll never pin a medal on you around here.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Furthermore Jimmy boy, ULC isn't a religion, but an association of licensed ordained ministers. And you be don't have to belong to a religion to be one of us. I hope that isn't too much, all at once, for a newbie to comprehend. We'll see, if this gets posted. I am a ULC god, so you can take my word for it.
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Jim Graham III
Anyone that plays into this nonsense should not claim to be any kind of religion… point blank ! ! !
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Jemma Kimberly Whyatt
No where in the clip does the speaker say jesus was transgender. I imagine he regrets using such a loaded term.
Saying jesus transgenders himself isn’t the same as saying he’s transgender. It’s just a different way of saying that he performed tasks that were a woman’s job back then. It shows his lack of ego his rebellious spirit, his turning everything on its head. It doesn’t show he was transgender. Not that I’d mind it’d be funny if he were.
Note nothing kicked off till Twitter got hold of it. It’s full of reactionaries and dullards, intelligent/academic discussions should be kept private the world of Twitter can not handle them. This happens time and time again, no news turned into worthless news by idiots.
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Rev Mark D
"Saying jesus transgenders himself isn’t the same as saying he’s transgender."
Oh, well that clears it all up then.
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John Condron
Actually, Mark, ""Saying jesus transgenders himself isn’t the same as saying he’s transgender" is pretty straightforward. Just because you didn't understand it doesn't change that.
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Guy Sutherland McLaren
Why are we debating the sexuality of someone that may or may not have existed. First show me some evidence that Baby Jesus actually lived, before we start debating kinks and perversions.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well Guy, we needed something to talk about, and this seemed as good as anything else the ULC gives us. You'll survive best around here by not taking any of this stuff too seriously. So, lighten up, man!
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Rev Mark D
Sic trans Roma.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Could it be that the devil made you do it, Mark? That's what a Christian would say to get out of it, not that I would compare you with one of those vile, dispicable critters.
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Rev Mark D
"I'm just a sweet transvestite from Transsexual, Transylvania, haha...hit it hit it!"
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Rev Mark D
Maybe he was just a hermaphrodite. Half-n-half.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Whatever the case Mark, Jesus did a really good job of screwing himself, and most of the rest of the world ever since.
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Rev David Drudge
If that is what you believe it may have truth, but you should rejoice Judas for making it happen. We share Semite Christianity as victims of united Gods and present Wastelands.
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David Arthur Lewis
Does God have a gender? And if so, is S/HE limited to only one?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
There is God and goddess, David. God is masculine, and Goddess is feminine. Keep questioning it, and you'll be a born again Pagan in no time. Blessed be!
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David Arthur Lewis
OK, so what gender is the Holy Ghost?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
In Wicca David, there is no such thing as s a holy ghost. The Wiccan Trinity consists of Goddess, God, and the Ultimate Unknowable Deity.
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Alice Anderson
Oh my Lord. Please leave well enough alone. He was (is a) man. No one should ever question that.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
How do you know that, Alice? He could have been a man, but if he lived and died more than two thousand years ago he couldn't still be one. He's probably had atleast a few incarnations since then, and there's absolutely no telling what he's become. If you've seen him since, that's really something you ought to mention to your therapist.
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Lionheart
How do you know he ever existed?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The ULC must have misplaced 🦁 ❤️ question. He knows I don't believe in anything that's contained in that worthless, evil book of fairytales! I'm only trying to contribute to the conversation, to help keep me from being bored shitless, while in permanent self-quarantine.
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Lionheart
How do you know he ever existed?
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Geoffrey C. Olive
If, as your religion claims, man was made in the image of god, did god have male sex organs (penis, testicles, etc.), and if so for what purpose? If not, then man is NOT an image of god!
Begs the question whether god was (is) a hermaphrodite or did it have a bit on the side?
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Alan Diamond
If he has a penis, does it have a foreskin?
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Stephanie A Willey
Oh Alice ... Question EVERYTHING. That is the only way we learn
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And which Lord are you referring to Alice? Is he a member of the House of Lord's, Lord Baphomet, Lord Of The Rings, or what?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I heard they found a can of Secret deodorant in Jesus' tomb. And ofcourse we all know it's strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.
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Rev. Elizabeth
I normally don’t respond to negative comments on Jesus or the Christian Bible. Why is everyone humanizing Jesus? He was not a mere human like us. God is His Father, His creator, so this makes Jesus not fully human. He came to Earth for a job to be completed. The only way this job could be done is by God feeling how we feel. The only way this could happen is by creating His Son. The Christian Bible uses the word ‘He’ meaning Jesus, most of the time. (When talking of disciples and other faithful servants of God was referred to he when the wording requires it).’
Jesus is our God, our Heavenly Father. How can you ever entertain that Jesus was a transgender?
This is disgusting.
Stop putting todays social acceptance/non acceptance standards to our Creator, our Heavenly Father, who came to earth over 2k years ago. They didn’t have transgender then. Yes, there was homosexuality, people confused by their identity, in a time they could not live the way they wanted.
Regarding washing of feet normally done by women? Are you seriously taking the love Jesus is sharing with His 12 disciples as a transgender act? It was Jesus’ love and final act of love he could share with his disciples. He even hugged each one, he shared His food & drink with them. That was done at the last supper. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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Rev Frankie PG
Gay, straight, white, asian, male, female, honestly I don't care. The gospels of Jesus is what matters to me. The Fruits of The Spirit which Jesus exudes is what matters to me. I wasn't there, so these are really frivolous specifications, in my eyes. Once again it comes down to the argument of being neutral, not judging a person based upon the color of their skin, or in this debate sex, but rather the content of their character.
Now, I understand that people are going to try and disprove The Holy Bible, to that I welcome them. The Holy Bible, especially the Old Testament has been the focus of many wars, since wars were recorded. The Holy Bible, like the Koran, is a book. Christianity, just like Satanism, is a religion. Jesus, like the boy who cried wolf, may or may not have been a person, to which I write in total, we'll truly never know. It could be rubbish, it could be truth, it is up to the individual person to define for themself. I believe that God is my Heavenly Father, I believe Jesus Christ is my Savior and Shepherd, I believe that the Holy Spirit is what fills my capsule with the Fruits of the Spirit and I pray faithfully and honestly to all three of them every night. Do I suggest the same of you? It is your choice, not mine. I am a man of the cloth and my Doctorate is in Spiritual Awareness, so I will be more than happy to entertain discussions regarding any religious being.
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Lionheart
Do we truly know what “Holy Spirit” is, in fact what exactly is “spirit”? It appears to be a construct of mankind with no real demonstrable evidence what it really is.
What exactly is “man of the cloth”? Here we have yet another man made construct that people like to use with no real understanding, but it sounds good…..right?
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Man of cloth is closely related to a man of straw!
(man of straw - noun A weak person. A tactic used in debates and arguments where a weaker thesis is substituted for the opponent's real proposition, this thesis then being refuted, thereby creating the illusion of winning the argument against the original proposition. Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License.)
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Earl Leiby
This group is so lost. Hard to believe there are heretic's like this on this site. Good luck to you all. Enjoy explaining all this to the Heavenly Father the moment you pass away. Jesus a transgender. What next. This world has truly gone crazy.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Lionheart, you sound like you've never been to one of my seances. I also know of a lot of truly haunted locations right here in Galveston. If you're serious about not knowing what a spirit is or looks like, I know I can show you, and convince you otherwise. Ofcourse, they don't don't necessarily show up when I tell them to, so we might have to go to the same places a few times. So rent an apartment here in Galveston, and we'll get together, and go looking for them. I can almost swear it won't take long. And I've had much success in seances too. I can't prove the existence of God or goddess, but spirits and ghosts are a bird of a different feather. Ofcourse, I don't know for a fact that anything is real. I could be lost in an eternal daydream; a construct of mind, as if to say the universe is mental. Whatever the case, to me it's pretty darn convincing, especially the things I have experienced, and it would be futile to question my experiences, rather than just accept that what I have experienced is reality.
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The Gray Minister
I Minister Gray (ULC they dont back my words but I talk in Light)
I always thought after reading the part where the guards were laughing at Christ when they stripped him I though Christ was a Hermaphrodite. Or Maybe even a women but more on the side of my first choice
If The Higher Power didn’t want us this way then our minds would let us think this way And if its an accident or flaw in our DNA Me being Transgender Women just starting my walk Thinks Ya-i-vae was not perfect then Like Ive seen him claim A jealous and vengeful God I don’t remember seeing that he says he is perfect I could be wrong i am from time to time But Only the Higher Power that links to the people so we can become God/Goddess our selves. We are Gods kids so as kids can be like the Father then we to can become titled as Gods/Goddesses
Like if the great sin of Adam an Eve even though Lilith was the first woman made for Adam. He says eat of this and you will be like God knowing good and bad We all have this handed down and is in out dna. Just like eternal life. We just our told we cant live long What if we were told different Its all in the mind so I have been told
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John D. Partin
Little Willie's Son, next to the end in TN Pastor Purges "Demonic" Books in Bonfire, keeps asking me to prove the existence of God to him over and over again, not because he will ever accept any evidence for it, but just to be annoying me by asking for it continually. He can't figure out for himself that nobody is a Christian just because he says that he is, without doing what Christ says for his followers to do. I won't waste any more time directly on an IDIOT!!! like that!!!
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Rev Mark D
Next: Jesus in drag coming to a screen near you.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Mark, don't forget to say that Ms. Jesus is going to be accompanied by Ru Paul, in that dragshows.
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Mark Hannon
This reminds me of when people started beginning their prayers with, "Father, Mother God", to make the personal connection better for people that have been harmed by their father figures. And then there was the change of all the parts of liturgies and Bible readings to be inclusive rather than all masculine references. It didn't have an easy start. I find this step to be unnecessary because I can't expect the whole life of Jesus to be as written in the New Testament.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Mark,I start some of my prayers with Mother Goddess and Father God, but goddess is the feminine aspect of Divinity and God is the masculine. So, for anyone to call their deities Father Mother God they must be ignorant of that fact. The same thing applies to other God's and goddesses too, unless it's a hermaphrodite god/goddess perhaps. I suppose the hermaphrodite god/goddess might even be the god/goddess be of the hermaphrodites. And if that's true they would be right in addressing deity as Father Mother God, or vice versa, and so forth.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
The only bible that should be used to try to understand if the mythological Jesus was gay, or not, is the only bible which should be use by USA’ns who consider themselves patriots and who support democracy (instead of most GOP’er MAGA’’ers, who now support Tucker Carlson, because he supports Putin)
The Thomas Jefferson Bible (available from ULC ministry’s) makes no mention of the mythological Jesus being gay; nor of the Holy Ghost, or the Virgin Mary for that matter.
A more serious question that deserves consideration — how will gays, who the Christian God allows into the Christian Heaven, be treated for eternity — if they won’t hook-up with a member of the opposite sex?
Just because the Christian God appears to be getting along without a sex partner — does this mean that all of those created by the Christian God will have no other choice than to do likewise if they allowed into the Christian Heaven?
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Angel
I wish people would read history and his culture before trying to compare Jesus to the 21st century...
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I wish people would forget that Christianity ever existed.
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Stacey Owens
It doesn't exist. The word came about because in the time of the apostle people would call believers Christians because they walked in the foot steps of Jesus Christ.
Not like today, anybody is called a christian.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Nothing ever got accomplished by wishing, Angel. Not even for an angel. You'd have to be a Jeanie for that.
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Rev robert wilson
Carl can you just shut —
God bless Carl. Rev wilson
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Reverend Kurt
Angel Yet that is exactly what you are doing . or have you not read your own post?
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Stacey Owens
To say Jesus Christ is transgender is to say he is not the way, the truth, and the life.
Jesus is the Son of God, the inner man as a created Spirit. (And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness). But yet, he was the son of man as a form to house the spirit: (And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul). A physical being second.
As believers we are to walk in the spirit and not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Jesus did not come into this world to to fulfill the lust of the flesh.
The gospel is not a message to condone and fulfill the lust of the flesh. But to worship God in spirit and in truth.
This article and its woke preacher is a messenger of the work of the Antichrist.
As Jesus said in Matthew 24:4,Take heed that no man deceive you.
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Lionheart
So…when your God said “Let us make man in our image” who was he/she talking to? Who was actually listening? Other gods?
It sounds, from the story, he/she didn’t do it on his/her own being as he/she was soliciting help.
Even more implausible is that billions believe all this, even though their is no rational/logical explanation. I wonder how many dare not believe in it because of the impending doom they have been told they will face if they don’t? Such is the blackmail of religion that people are convinced is love.
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Reverend Kurt
As Jesus said in Matthew 24:4,Take heed that no man deceive you. Yet you are deceived. .
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Are you saying that Jesus was in Matthew Kurt? It must have been a tight fit!
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Reverend Kurt
As Jesus said in Matthew 24:4,Take heed that no man deceive you. And yet you are deceived. How is that ? did you not understand your won quote?
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Lionheart
How does anyone truly know what Jesus said, if he really existed at all. All we read are claims by authors of those that lived decades later who never met him?
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Reverend Kurt
He was a man who lived over 2000 years ago in a totally different society to today, that is if it could be proved he existed at all. So far no records of a Jesus exists outside of the Christian church. He was that important that no other neighboring cultures mentioned him in any of their records. So as an imaginary entity he can be whatever he is painted to be. Assuming he did exist, then again he lived over 2000 years ago. How is his sexual desires, orientation or actions relevant to todays Christians? Remember we live in 2022 and the nuances of our present society are never recorded in any records, but are real to us, the unwritten social norms we take for granted and abide by unconsciously today. As well there are the economic and political nuances of todays society we understand , but what of the society of 2000 plus years ago , what do we really know?? Would the messaging have been any different or made any less impact on Christianity if he were a hermaphrodite?
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Colleen McAllister
Kurt Neuleuf there are records of Jesus outside of the Christian Church. Have you not read the histories of Josephus?
As to His gender, He was a man as evidenced by His reading the Torah, and even being allowed in services with the other men.
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Nicholas J Page
Transgender is a recent thing Jesus is the son of God.Clues like was he transgender is like Rumours.Unless you have definite proof or DNA then that's all it is So stop all this nonsense and talk about the great miracles he has done. Or is this religion bashing or pure hatred of both God and his son Jesus.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Your psychiatrist might have something else to say about those miracles you've witnessed, Nicholas. Like are you still taking your meds?
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Geoffrey C. Olive
NJP, yes to your last sentence.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
NJP, yes to your last sentence.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Nicholas, I've heard of that gay bar in Houston called Rumours. Is that where Jesus, the son of your god, does dragshows?
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Robert Duff
Transgender has been around a long time. Eve was the transgender clone sister of Adam. Jesus was a trans gender clone of Mary since God has no human DNA.
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Thom
In the number of years the Bible has been available has anyone ever thought Jesus was trans or had a gender identity disorder? Fast forward to 2022 and guess what is a major subject, gender disorder, and now Jesus has to be a confused individual.
The Bible can be interpreted in so many ways but, how does someone get the idea Jesus had a gender disorder. It makes no sense.
I am sure my comment will make someone angry but; I can stir things up when I say Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. Yes, he was married to her and she was not liked by the apostles because they were jealous of how much attention he paid to her and not them. This is why she was portrayed as a prostitute.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Thom, Jesus was also married to St. Judas. I think they were Mormons. But since they never mentioned Jesus having children I think Judas was the only stud in the family.
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Rev. Dr. James Jacob Showers Jr
Wow...This is a very interesting article. As well, I find the 'IS Jesus Transgender'?, a very stark reality. With over 1198 translations of the Holy Bible and being that man is fallible, without the proper forensics anthropology....Does it really make a difference!!!..He was an extraordinary teacher, prophet and wise counselor and quite the wayshower. I did need to comment on the 'would Jesus be cancelled'.. When I first joined the United States Department of the Army in 1993, when you take the oath of Enlistment, the last line is So Help me God. GOD IS IN THE FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAPERWORK. The Country was founded on GOD-whether that is Good Orderly Direction or your higher power-God was with us, literally, in the beginning and he or she continues to be with us now. That will not change, but I have been known to be wrong. NOT very often from my visits to the ABSOLUTION section of the ULC website, but needless to say has happened.
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Daniel Gray
What a moron! The apostles ALWAYS stated he was a man and even gave him the title "SON OF MAN" they didnt say daughter of man. And at that time no woman or any man acting like a woman would have been allowed to be a Rabbi. The ONLY reason that Simon Woodman is saying this is because he is gay himself and is trying to project his sexuality on Christ.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You're right, Robert. Everyone knows that Jesus was both genders. Otherwise, how could he have done such a good job of screwing himself.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Who cares what gender Jesus was if you believe the teachings? S/H/IT gender doesn’t matter in a 2000 year old book of myths, stories and other nonsense peddled by illiterate shepherds.
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Maria
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Geoffrey, it's just something to talk about, to keep us from being bored shitless, while we're in permanent quarantine. We don't get to pick and choose. They just give us what they think we should discuss, today help us become better ministers. So just grin and bear it man, along with the rest of us.
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Lionheart
We all know God is trans…..right? I wonder if God has nipples, or genitals? Has he ever watched porn to decide it’s sinful? How do fairies procreate? Is Sasquatch lonely? What does the Loch Ness monster eat to survive?
So many unanswered mythical questions 🤪
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Maria
Hahahaha…great answer. No one knows anything or the truth. That’s why it’s called faith. At the end of the day, it’s what ever gets you through life.
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Reverend Kurt
faith noun
The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence; belief in general.Specifically Firm belief based upon confidence in the authority and veracity of another, rather than upon one's own knowledge, reason, or judgment; earnest and trustful confidence: as, to have faith in the testimony of a witness; to have faith in a friend.
So you say you need bull dust to get through life??
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Stacey Owens
You mean being blind.
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Lionheart
What determines truth?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Lionheart, the answers to those questions and many more can be found in The Twilight Zone, and The X-Files. Beyond that, just keep saying (like Moulder) "I want to believe"!!!
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Rev Mark D
A lion, as to what Jesus looks like... Well we are all supposed to be in God's image, so I imagine that includes Jesus... Then I guess any handy mirror will tell us what we need to know about that. I'm sure though that some of us may vary more or less from the pattern... For instance, I have yet to have somebody look at me and say "Oh God!" (in a good way that is).
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robert
And just when I thought people couldn’t get any more idiotic I am shown yet again how STUPID people can be
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Robert, it sounds like you haven't read The National Enquirer.
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John D. Partin
It is useless giving evidence over and over again to someone who won't accept any evidence, but keeps asking for it just to be annoying, and I won't waste any more time on that person. Goodbye and Good Riddance, once and for all!!!
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Rev. Howard Slayton
This line of reasoning is flawed in a big way. And the stupid “new pronouns” for gender is ridiculous. Use reason. And the word is AMEN. Awoman is not a word, and the spell checker even puts a red underline under it.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
New words are created every year, and other words take on different meaning. I wonder if Jesus ever had a fag>
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Ryan
I believe he would morph into whatever he needed to, just to get through to whatever person, he felt he needed to get through to at the time. He could probably morph into an animal if he felt he could better comfort someone as an animal form. As far as what gender he was originally born in..... that really doesn't concern me, he/she/whatever can turn into whatever form they choose, to better serve humans on this horribly destructive, hateful, bigoted, self-entitled planet of ingrates! Sadly I've started to see alot of people turning away from any sort of religion. That's when the wrath will come. Everyone needs a moral compassion, I feel. Unfortunately most of the people I'm seeing don't have one.
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Rev Mark D
This I gotta hear. Maybe Noah was Chinese or a Pacific Islander too.
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Rev. Dr. G. Waldron
STUPID!!!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Look everybody, Waldron learned a new word!
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Robert Wilson
Rev Robert wilson
Carl Carl Rev wilson god bless you carl
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Maria
This is absolutely ridiculous. We have so many issues in todays world, do we really need to stir up things that may or may have not happened centuries ago? And honestly, if he was trans I could care less! Jesus to me, was just a man anyway. I do not believe he was the son of God or God in human form. And by the way, I don’t care what anyone says…there are only two genders. Anything else is either a birth defect or a choice. And I’m ok with that because they are Gods children too.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Science doesn’t care about your opinion. Biology, anthropology, sociology, and psychology point out that there’s more than two genders, and gender is a spectrum. Gender and sex are two different things. A lot of people confuse them.
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Maria
Gender means sex. Look it up in the dictionary. There are two. Male and female.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Gender is in reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female. That being said, there are cultures outside western civilization that have more than 2 genders. There are pre Christian cultures that understood there are more than 2 genders. Sex and gender are not the same thing. Western Civilization has been basing gender on sex. Gender roles are not genetic features, but are socially taught. An even those have changed and been changed over time.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
There are only two main genders, but there are also variations, as with practically everything else in this world, both natural, and sometimes not, when it comes to the so-called science of humans (which only creates freak shows(to create employment opportunities at carnivals and circuses).
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Marcella J Schieffelin
Carl Bernard Elfstrom There are only two main Ministers, good and bad, but there but there are also variations, as with practically everything else in this world, both natural, and sometimes not, when it comes to the so-called science of humans (which only creates freak shows(to create employment opportunities at carnivals and circuses).
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Paul Steven Lyke
Exactly this, ministers! SPIRIT contains both genders, operating on a varying spectrum according to the law of free will. Some babies are born with both sets of genitals, and parents must "guess" what they think that new life will grow into.
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Maria
I believe that to be a birth defect.
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Lionheart
It’s very nice to see that you have some very firm fixed beliefs Maria. For you to imply we are all Gods children, and for that to be be a true statement, you first of all have to back it up with evidence that your god, or any god is real and exists.
At first glance you might think that is a very silly statement of mine, but it is no different than me telling you that we are all children of fairies, or children of leprechauns, or children of aliens. Can you see how silly that statement is, because if I am genuinely convinced that we are children of leprechauns, or fairies, or aliens, you would expect me to provide evidence, correct?
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Val Jester
Her statement about being children of God needs no more support than your belief if the Big Bang theory. Both require faith.
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Maria
Thank you Val!
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Lionheart
Actually that’s not true. The Big Bang theory is exactly that…..a theory. There is though, more evidence to support that “theory” than there is to support a belief in a God. No one believes the Big Bang to be true, it’s just a good theory. Whereas people believe that Gods are real with no evidence at all.
Beliefs tend to convince people it’s true, and people will die, and even kill, to support that belief. No one will die if the Big Bang “theory” is proved to be true or false.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Also Lionheart, we can not be God's children, or anyone elses, for we are not children, but adults, and have been for many years. Would a god label us as something we're not? I think not.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Lionheart, don't forget that Valhalla is a jester, plain and simple.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The court jester is at it again.
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Maria
When I say God I mean our creator whomever he or she may be. I believe in a higher being. Could be fairies or aliens idk.
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Lionheart
That’s okay Maria, you really can believe whatever you wish. Some people still believe the earth is flat, and that’s okay too. Indoctrinating those beliefs on little children with no demonstrable evidence is the problem, and is in fact mental abuse, especially when children are told they will burn in Hell if they don’t believe in the same thing as their parents.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
More then ridiculous. Total blasphemy.
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Lionheart
What exactly IS blasphemy Keith?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Well if you don't know what blasphemy is look it up. Learn how to use a dictionary. Or be lazy and Google it. Not gonna explain it to you. Educate yourself.
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Lionheart
It was a rhetorical question that clearly went over your head, wondering if you knew.
Blasphemy: The act, or offense, of speaking sacrilegiously about a mythical God.
It’s something we all do Keith if you speak ill of someone else’s mythical god, which I’m sure you’ve done from time-to-time when referring to other gods than the one you believe in….right?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Like I am only going to say this once. I don't waste my time with dumb topics and this group always creates the most dumbest topics you can imagine. And no, I denounce all other gods because there is only one. So I can't commit blasphemy. Another dumb statement on your part. Argument closed get lost.
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You know now that I've studied on the matter, it's very possible that Tim Curry was Jesus. Look into it and see if you don't agree. I thought it was a Revelation.