abortion protest outside of US Supreme Court
The news that the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade set off nationwide protests.

In a 6-3 vote, the United States Supreme Court has officially voted to roll back abortion rights and overturn Roe v. Wade.

The Roe reversal has been expected for over a month now. In early May, a draft of a majority opinion penned by Justice Alito was leaked to reporters, setting off nationwide protests in places like church services, and outside of some justice’s homes. The leaked draft, written as a majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, called Roe “egregiously weak from the start,” with “damaging consequences.”

While Chief Justice John Roberts claimed at the time that the leaked draft “does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case,” that ultimately turned out not to be the case, as the conservative majority on the nation’s highest court nonetheless voted to overturn Roe.

The move has already sparked jubilation from anti-abortion activists, and outrage from those who believe abortion rights should not be restricted.

Now, many are wondering what the future of abortion in the United States will look like – and what rights could potentially be overturned next.

Roe Reversed

Roe v. Wade is a landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision that protected by law a woman’s right to an abortion. The case, decided by a 7-2 majority, codified into law a woman’s right to an abortion, overturning many individual state laws that banned abortions completely, except in cases when the mother’s life was in danger.

The Roe decision is one of the most controversial Supreme Court decisions ever handed down, and pro-life activists – a coalition deeply connected to churches and faith groups across the United States – have been working for decades to get it overturned.

Now they can say “mission accomplished.” The reversal of Roe kicks abortion law decisions back to the states, where more than a dozen have "trigger laws" in place to outlaw abortion entirely should the Supreme Court overturn Roe. Combine that with several states that never repealed their pre-Roe abortion bans and another couple of states set to enact abortion bans soon, and abortion is de facto illegal in half or more of the United States.

Faith Groups Rejoice

For millions of pro-life Christians, this was a long time coming. Evangelicals have long been leading the charge in the anti-abortion movement for years, often staging protests outside abortion clinics and at public events.

86% of white evangelicals holding the view that life begins at conception. Many even hold the belief that seeking an abortion should have legal consequences; some two-thirds of white evangelicals believe that women who seek an abortion should have to pay a fine, do community service, or even be jailed.

Now, with abortion rights kicked back to individual states to decide, they may get their wish.

Just the Beginning?

As protests erupt outside the Supreme Court today, many people are looking to America's judicial future with concern that other rights could soon be lost as well.

Indeed, some experts say it’s not out of the question that a conservative-leaning Supreme Court could overturn everything from marriage equality to the right to contraception

Justice Clarence Thomas even indicated in his opinion that this could happen:

Quotes from certain political leaders also tease an appetite for more judicial action. In March, Texas Senator John Cornyn called the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling that made same-sex legal nationwide “judicial policymaking” that “overturned the will of the people,” and in May, Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves refused to say whether he’d try to ban common birth control like Plan B or even IUDs, only saying that he isn’t focused on banning them “at this time.”

The carefully worded message did not go unnoticed.

Indeed, one OBGYN called the abortion decision a “canary in a coal mine,” believing that the Roe reversal is just the beginning.

What is your reaction to the Supreme Court’s decision to reverse Roe? Do you think other rights, like marriage equality, could now be at risk?

181 comments

  1. Robert James Ruhnke's Avatar Robert James Ruhnke

    The Judges need to be kicked out. It’s clear their opinions are corrupted by religious rhetoric instead of impartial views. May the gods give high fives with lightning bolts.

    1. Ryan's Avatar Ryan

      Cheers to your comment Robert! I am ashamed of where this country has gone.... back to the dark ages. Now, while I would never say it's rightfor a woman, to use abortion as a contraceptive; what happens if God forbid they're raped and become pregnant??? Or if the mother will die during childbirth or anything similar to these? I believe it's a woman's right to decide. Now on the matter of same sex marriage, it is my personal belief, that love is love when it's between 2 consenting adults. I would happily perform any ceremony of marriage, as long as the 2 people are happy! I feel it's sickening that this world has gone in this direction. All I can hold onto nowadays is my firm belief that God loves all. It is not my business as a human being to dictate what another human wants, as long as they're happy and not hurting themselves or others. So proud to live in NY where human lives and their decisions are under protection! All the best of love, happiness, and health to all.

      1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

        Your logic is way off not takng into consideration what religious texts say. Anything that goes against natural law that mocks natural law is illogical.

        1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          Natural law/God aborts more fetus every year than man. We need to imprison God for violating man's law.

        2. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

          The Torah, the Mishnah, the Talmud and later rabbinic sources consider the woman's physical and emotional heath before that of the fetus. Until born, Judaism considers the fetus to be part of the woman's body. She is never the villain when difficult choices need to be made. Rabbi Mara Nathan. These are religious texts by which Jesus followed.

          1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

            Why all the big hoopla. Roe v Wade was judicial oversight. Fact. Now it's back to the states. Fact. Is as it should be. Now there are almost enough states to.petition for an amendment to the Constitution. Fact. States will approve. Fact. When you deny the right to life which is an inalienable right the states haveva right to act. Fact. So give it up murderers.

            1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

              When men can get pregnant, then their words will be taken seriously. In the meantime, just get a vasectomy. Problem solved.

              1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

                And you can be just as responsible. Use foam, a diaphragm, or better yet don't sin . Close your legs and abstain. Procreation is for marriage only.

          2. William Lee Hornstein's Avatar William Lee Hornstein

            I learned about Jewish baby murder the other day. Maybe that is why there are so few of them in the world. Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood, revered by Hitler, has been killing Negroes, Gays, Mongoloid, Native American, you know--anyone that is not white.

            If you think all that is in the past, think again. The white liberals/Globalists that want to control the world, want a population reduction, at any costs. Democrats are right there with them.

            Can't wait to see how this plays out!

        3. Randy C Hamilton's Avatar Randy C Hamilton

          The buy-bull says that no one is a person until he/she breathes. Gen 2:7 ALSO Instructions on how to force an abortion are at Numbers 5:27. Too bad the SCOTUS skips over verses they don't like and ignore the Constitution's amendments. They need IMPEACHED!!!!!

        4. Dr. Zerpersande's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande

          Since you feel free to express your opinion and bring in what religious texts have to say, let me chime in and say that I don’t give an airborne rodent’s anal sphincter muscle what those Bronze Age blatherings have to say about anything whatsoever.

          As for natural law, well, although from your previous comments it’s probably not safe to hazard a guess about what you would support, but applying what happens in nature probably wouldn’t fly with you in many cases. Bonobo chimps use sex almost as a handshake, and although this MIGHT manage to get you laid your ‘book’ disapproves of such promiscuity. A new alpha lion (read boyfriend/husband) will attempt to kill any cubs around from the previous alpha.

          As for homosexuality, well, it’s very common in the animal kingdom, so why do you even have your panties in a bunch because humans do it?

          Here’s a link to homosexuality in animals. Scroll down the article just a bit for a non-comprehensive list.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

          1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

            Are you putting yourself on the same level as animals?

    2. Susan Marie LaLonde's Avatar Susan Marie LaLonde

      AMEN TO THAT ROBERT! We are going towards a REAL Handmaid's Tale!

      1. Robert James Ruhnke's Avatar Robert James Ruhnke

        They’re gunna rolling pins and steak knives to their kidneys first. Never underestimate a woman, ever. The right wing men in this country are going to experience blue ball hell and straight up no for a while. It’s pathetic what they’re doing.

      2. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

        They are certainly going to try. I'd say vet candidates better. Vote better. We need people in office who will take this to the next level, issue reviews and quite possibly impeachments of these judges and do away with the silly filibuster to get things done properly for the people instead of power hungry, corporate supporting nut jobs.

    3. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Ryan, Where have you ever seen data which supports your statement about women using abortion as a contraceptive measure? It is false. I completed a one year internship at a Planned Parenthood health clinic in a major city. Not one women was seeking an abortion as birth control measure. To the contrary, the reasons were date rape, failed condoms, incest and failed birth control pills. Some women had to have their IUD's removed due to perforated uteruses. If men were responsible for controlling their sperm through vasectomies, abortion would be reduced significantly. Men have bee allowed free reign for too long to be irresponsible while pointing fingers at women..

    4. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

      It is pretty clear you don't understand the law and the concept of judicial oversight and the fact Roe v Wade should never have even made it to the Supreme Court by passing lower courts first.
      Since it was a matter with the District Attorney it should have been dealt with in the Texas state court and not a case in the U.S. Supreme Court. It bypassed the process of how a case should be pursued.

      1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

        Local politicians are not immune from being sued in federal court for 14th Amendment violations. The US District court for North Texas held that there was a compelling federal interest at stake, and the US Supreme Court agreed when they granted certiorari... which they have full authority to do under Rule 10. The recent USSC ruling didn't use a time machine to go back to 1970 and erase those facts, your 'shoulda-coulda-woulda' fantasy ignores reality.

  1. Ellie_Loves's Avatar Ellie_Loves

    Religion is the root of all evil and this is proof of that. Let's be clear, this has nothing to do with a God, it's about control, control that these so call leaders of faith are losing and feel the need to take away women's choice of bodily autonomy. Control over children who are raped and forced to carry a baby that they are unable to care for. This is about politicians who want to stay in office by making decisions that 80% of the country is not behind and to do so they cater to a small percentage who apparently pays to help them stay in office. This country is turning into a third world nation and abortion is not going anywhere, it just will not be safe now. Though there are blue states and other countries reaching out to help those in need. So take your patriarchal theology that is twisted and contorted to suit your own needs and shove it ************

    1. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

      One of the things the Bible got right was "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." (1 Timothy 6:10).

      Paraphrasing that to read "Religion is the root of all evil" seems appropriate, at least in the US, since religions do seem to be all about money and power.

      Perhaps that has always been true?

    2. William Dusenberry's Avatar William Dusenberry

      There’s only one known demonstrable God — and that’s the God of Einstein, Spinoza, Demonstrates, and millions of Secular Pantheists.

      Everything that ever was, that currently exists, and ever will be — is part of God — because God and nature are the same thing.

      There’s absolutely nothing supernatural in the universe that any human mind can comprehend— and you can find this out for yourself the next time you ask those who believe in a supernatural God to provide you with a physical description of their God.

      Mother Nature follows the “laws of nature” and doesn’t give a cow-dung about any of us — Mother Nature (AKA, God) by default leaves it up to us, to act in our collective self-interest.

      The more one knows about how nature functions — the less one needs supernatural Gods to fill in the blanks.

      The more ignorant one is of how nature works— the greater one accepts supernatural claptrap.

      All reasonable people “need” is an awareness of nature and how nature works — and— an acceptance of the Golden Rule” as the only basic rule we should all try to live by.

    3. Pastor~HP~Sister Beth's Avatar Pastor~HP~Sister Beth

      I don’t believe that religion is the root of all evil - just so we’re clear. But much of what you said, I do agree with.

      1. Robert Lee Cotton's Avatar Robert Lee Cotton

        Organized religion is the root of all evil. Look how much blood has been shed and wars started under the influence of organized religion in the name of various Gods. Individual worship is a great thing and should be expressed freely without mucking it up by organizing. Too many religious leaders use their pulpit to preach hate and intolerance towards other religions. The core of religion should be peace on earth and tolerance toward others of differing beliefs. No one truly knows which God is "the God" It's my belief that which ever God is the "one" will not judge us for our religious beliefs, rather we will be judged on our actions in this life and our character. A truly just God won't care how or if you even worshipped, all that will matter is if you lived your life as a good person and demonstrated goodwill toward your fellow man.

    4. Marius Gabriel Burja's Avatar Marius Gabriel Burja

      Love of money is the root of all evil.

    5. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      It isn't religion. It's people twisting religion to control the masses. It's become too important now for people to spend real time in studying their holy books and really understand them, not just within but also historically. The more people do understand where they all start and when they eventually turn then more people can figure out who is honest about the teachings and who is full of nonsense and lies.

    6. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Religion is a symptom... not the cause, of human evil.

    7. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

      If religion is the root of all evil what are you doing in here in a religious forum. Duh.

      1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

        Keith I believe there are extreme differences between "religion" and spirituality. Religion is big business, spirituality is individualized and accepted as a TRUE faith that supercedes boundaries of religion.

    8. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

      I think the root of all evil was giving women the right to speak and vote and the lesbiand took advantahe of it. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣

  1. Tom Thackrey's Avatar Tom Thackrey

    Another step towards a theocracy.

    1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

      The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is a comedy written in a sci-fi setting. Our government is an oligarchy in a theocratic setting.

  1. Pastor~HP~Sister Beth's Avatar Pastor~HP~Sister Beth

    Until a man experiences the same physical hardships a woman does, they have NO RIGHT to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. THAT is what’s wrong with overturning Roe vs. Wade. And when it comes to forcing a pregnant woman to go through with the birth of a child, taking her right to choose, for what ever reason, here is what’s going to happen next: Our orphanages and children’s homes are going to be filled even more to the brim. There are already SO MANY children right here in the United States (let alone the rest of the World) who need loving families to adopt them. When the “right to life” activists start adopting those babies at all ages, THEN and ONLY THEN should they have the right to have a voice in the matter!

    I get that religious beliefs may play a part in personal views on the matter. But they are just that: personal views and beliefs. Until you step into someone else’s shoes, and truly live their lives, you have no right to judge another - for whatever reason.

    1. James C Riggle's Avatar James C Riggle

      And then they compound the problem by not wanting same-sex couples to adobt one of the unwanted children.

    2. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

      Right. Separation of church and state. Get Christianity out of the government.

    3. Cindi's Avatar Cindi

      Really, then I guess serial killers should NEVER have to pay for their crimes? Wow!

      1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

        Not the issue. If your belief is they are already a living, breathing, contributing person then that is on you. Most people don't consider it so until it's detached from the woman's body. Science says once it is viable which is roughly half way through the second trimester. Most who have them do so well before it even looks human, never mind viable.

      2. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

        When a baby causes the preventable death of a mother in childbirth, should they be held accountable for that crime? Why wouldn't they have full human responsibilities to go with full rights?

    4. Barbara Anne Chase's Avatar Barbara Anne Chase

      Great points !

  1. josh's Avatar josh

    We as a country and a people in this country have just went back 50 years into the past, it is safe to say that on things such as roe vs. wade, and countless other we have lost our logic and common sense to think and make desicion's clearly for the better.

  1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

    So, the same people who chanted "My body, my choice", in regards to masks and vaccines are now screaming "Your body, my choice", about women. Bloody hypocrites. Outlaw the evil Republicans & disband the useless democrats.

  1. Dr. Zerpersande's Avatar Dr. Zerpersande

    The religiously delusional are doing their best to fight against what Thomas Jefferson once wrote:

    “ The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding.

  1. Ryan's Avatar Ryan

    Precisely! There's going to be way too many children left in the system! And who's going to take care of them when they're given up for adoption? As well as continue with their mental health throughout their lives, knowing their mother didn't want them, or couldn't take care of them!?? I am extremely saddened by the news.

    1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      Where ya been? There already is way too many children left in the system. It's going to turn into an epidemic if this is allowed to stand.

    2. Maria Kendall Ahlsen's Avatar Maria Kendall Ahlsen

      The adoption process is so outrageously expensive. The money spent on that process could be better spent on caring for an adopted child. Less money would have to go to foster parents if more children were adopted into homes. Heterosexual couples, homosexual couples and even individuals would be able to adopt. Of course, background checks, employment/financial checks and making sure they have a safe home to go to but the process is extended (wait is often 2-7 years for an infant in USA) and the cost through private adoption is often $50,000-$70,000. (Sickening fact: Black babies cost about $8,000 less to adopt than white or Hispanic babies according to Economist.com)

      Many older children stay in the system until they age out.

  1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

    I guess the next move is to create a DNA data base so every male contributor to pregnancy is made financially responsible. This will start at time of conception. This should be a public listing since privacy is no longer a reason to permit abortion. Males should have the same lack of privacy over such matters. Family tree information should be listed also. That way we can monitor how abstinence by the religious right is the best way to ensure only planned children are born. Wow the evangelists have just solved all of Americas problems with their forced purity. I knew the children of the corn were not evil!

  1. Dan Anderson's Avatar Dan Anderson

    What's next? How about the right to vote for women? Separate drinking fountains and toilets for different races? How about the demanding that the U.S. Constitution be upheld where "the black man" is valued at ⅗ of a person?

    Let's not forget equal marriage rights and relationship rights for all? Let's dump those so we can go back to the Puritanical ways, including having to sew the red letter A on all women who have dared to be disloyal, but the guys can frolic among the daisies as much as they like?

    I thought we were beyond all of this hatred - until Mr. 45 came into office. What a shame.

    1. Timothy Holland Sr's Avatar Timothy Holland Sr

      Yep, but I wonder what God are they serving

  1. Keith Law's Avatar Keith Law

    The repeal of Roe has to do with Christian Nationalism, economic concerns over low birth rates, and racism. Learn more about these here:

    “America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

    https://medium.com/p/f310429123e7

    Repealing Roe v. Wade, Part 2: Abortions Are Bad for the Economy

    https://medium.com/p/f80ff1b20b1f

    1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      Actually forcing birth is far worse. The money that is going to have to go into raising these unwanted children are going to be a huge economic strain no matter how anyone looks at it. Add in the deaths that will be involved and the lawsuits that will kick up... when people have less money to spend on things because they have mouths to feed the economy weakens. This has been proven over and over throughout history.

  1. Amy Minckler's Avatar Amy Minckler

    Ladies, hitch up those skirts and dresses. It's time to be good little breeders.

    Well ladies time to stop "engaging" in procreational activities and go shopping for a bf. If I was at the point that I could still get pregnant and there was no birth control options I would be taking myself right to the dr to get my tubes tied...Well if that stays legal anyway. While I am not into conspiracies, I am beginning to believe this is being done because of low birth rates. Must breed more taxpayers people.

    Next up on the docket the Bare Foot and Pregnant law, the Scarlett Letter initiative, the To Dainty To Work law, and the To Hysterical to Vote law.

    See you all back in the at the beginning of the 20th century.

    1. Rev. MichaelRS's Avatar Rev. MichaelRS

      If it's a conspiracy to breed more taxpayers, then it was probably secretly orchestrated by the Democrats.

      1. Amy Minckler's Avatar Amy Minckler

        I'm talking all sides lol

    2. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Yes, a woman RepubliKKKan congressional representative publically thanked the orange criminal for making SCOTUS rule to "save white babies." As if white women don't have abortions. But this is the racist ideology of the radical right wing nuts.

  1. David Poul Jack's Avatar David Poul Jack

    The Supreme Court is an institution of man, by man, for man, and specifically for the control men have over other men and over women and over children. And it just took its mask off and it’s gloves off and assaulted the Body of Christ, which is to say the bodies of every woman in this country, and the Truth.

    When a nominee and under oath, Justice Barnett said: “Judges can’t just wake up one day and say, ‘I have an agenda, I like guns, I hate guns, I like abortion, I hate abortion,’ and walk in like a royal queen and impose, you know, their will on the world.”

    And yet they did exactly that. She lied under oath, lied to the world, and as Truth is Christ, she and the rest of them have crucified Christ with their lying.

    The Supreme Court is Evil. It serves evil and it serves falsehood and it serves money and it serves political power, and if you think all of that adds up to God and Jesus then you don’t know Jesus and you don’t know God, you actually only know the Empire of Rome, aka Babylon.

    1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

      David, I'm Buddhist. But you were on point with your comment. I believe that the Universal message of LOVE is indicative in ALL faiths and philosophies. And this is NOT it. These are not humans of spiritual existence, rather PEOPLE of control. That is exactly all this is in a nutshell.

  1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

    Well right now my response is simple two words "NOW WHAT" ???

    1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Legislation mandating vasectomies for all males over 3 should be passed. When males are prevented from impregnating women until they are ready to be responsible, they should be prevented from dictating a woman's ability control her own health care decisions. Equal opportunity. When men lose control over their bodies watch what happens.

    2. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

      Clarence Thomas was kind enough to answer that question, Wayne. He wrote, in a concurring opinion, that the Supreme Court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage.

      Only a week ago someone told me in the forum that I was being reactionary by suggesting just that!

    3. James C Riggle's Avatar James C Riggle

      And "What's next"??? Lol!

      1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

        I guess that's all right exactly what I'm saying

    4. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      What's next? Abolishing the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    5. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      We vet candidates in local and midterm elections. We vote for those who will do something about it. We petition. We protest. We don't stop until it's amended into the constitution is amended to clarify that health care is part of life and liberty.

      1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

        The oldest con game in the book is getting the victims to think they really have a choice. We have zero real choice in the voting shell game... merely the illusion, as is made painfully clear by the fact that career politicians swap parties at the drop of a hat. And both parties are driven by selfish greed. That's why George Washington warned us against them early on.

  1. Charles Jude Platt's Avatar Charles Jude Platt

    Sadly, a women suffers because of a man's indulgence. My, my wait until these men face pertaining suits and have to pay child support for unwanted children, ha, ha fools. Now, if only "they" would be held accountable for most abortions. Why not castrate them?

  1. Alexander Clarke's Avatar Alexander Clarke

    The Christian Taliban have won! This is only the beginning. Trumps lasting legacy is the corruption of the the Supreme Court.

    1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      Not yet. We can still vote in people who can can the filibuster and amend the constitution. We just need to vet them better and keep pushing for them to do their job.

  1. Hank Stanco's Avatar Hank Stanco

    The Supreme Court decision simply returns the right of abortion back to the states where it should always been. The emotional responses are utterly ridiculous. If one doesn’t like their state’s abortion law, change it. Vote. The right to vote is the most powerful weapon the individual citizen has.

    1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      The problem is that it takes a protected right away from the people who it would affect most and gives it over to an unthinking and unfeeling government entity. It did just the opposite of less government control. Voting will take time and in the meantime its going to mean a terrible mess for a lot of individuals and eventually an economic nightmare for the states that have banned it.

    2. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      The right to terminate a pregnancy should not be decided by politicians. Abortion is a medical procedure to be decided only by a woman and her medical provider. Politicians in general are ignorant and not licensed to practice medicine. It is laughable to hear male politicians talk about being "pro life" when what they really espouse is controlling women. They should just get vasectomies and be done with it. Then they don't have to worry about women's medical decisions, or her uterus.

    3. Alexander Walton Gothard's Avatar Alexander Walton Gothard

      Hank, You are absolutely correct and I understand Amber's concern but separation of Church and State are alive and well in the United States. Voting will take time and some part of the population will not agree with the outcome once the votes are counted. It is a State by State decision and we already know abortion, even on demand, will be available somewhere in this country.

      The decision to get one is between you and your God. It is up to Him to judge, not us.

      The Supreme Court made a decision based on the Constitution, not the Bible.

      1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

        The Supreme Court made that decision based (according to the exact words of the majority opinions) on the 'traditional' popular moral values of the 17th and 18th century Europe... specifically citing 'eminent' precedent setting jurist.... witch burning monarchist Matthew Hale.

  1. Takaya Kovani Sweeney's Avatar Takaya Kovani Sweeney

    Inquisitions are coming.

    Better take some acting classes if you’re not good at lying.

  1. Barbara Anne Chase's Avatar Barbara Anne Chase

    This is not a black and white issue! This most certainly should Never be decided by politicians (nor should vaccination status)! This is a medical procedure that should be decided by the medical professional and the woman! A pregnancy that is the result of rape, incest, or one that is not viable with life, or to a mother unable to nurture and care for , should not be forced to bear an unwanted child (thinking of the child here) and only first trimester abortion! I do not agree with abortion, I would never have one, that’s me! I don’t speak for all… and neither should a money hungry politician !! Politics has crossed to many lines here as they have every where!

  1. Freddy's Avatar Freddy

    Amen and thank God murder is murder

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Which your God (if it’s the Old Testament one) has always been good at doing. 🤷🏼

      🦁❤️

      1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

        Yeah ,,, the flood, the murder of every first born, the destruction of sodom & gomora, the list goes on.

    2. Nathaniel Robert Hunt's Avatar Nathaniel Robert Hunt

      Freddy And how many unwanted kids are you taking in or supporting?

    3. James C Riggle's Avatar James C Riggle

      And what about after the child is born? What about when the child is abused because the parent didn't want them? What about when the child is feeling helpless and alone? What are you going to do when that happens? Let me guess... thoughts and prayers?

    4. Dan Anderson's Avatar Dan Anderson

      Abortion, however, is not murder. Even KJV1611 states that a fetus is not a living being until it takes its first breath.

      If you are so against abortion, write to congressmen/women of any states who will represent you and give them a bill proposal that YOU write to ban ALL abortions because you don't like it!

      1. Freddy's Avatar Freddy

        Okay so what does it mean for the semen is semen not alive is semen not life explain it to me

        1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

          If it is then I'd suggest vasectomies be made mandatory until the man in question is capable of supporting a child himself. It would remove the concern of unwanted pregnancies and it's much easier to reverse than a woman having tubes tied. A hysterotomy isn't reversible at all yet. Men need to be held responsible if a woman is forced to carry to term... and if it kills her they should be held responsible for that too.

        2. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

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        3. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

          Semen can be frozen for years, and thawed out in 100% working condition. A baby cannot. Clear??

    5. NLilly's Avatar NLilly

      AMEN Freddy! I Fully Concur!

      HALLELUYAH JESUS! For YOUR AMAZING GRACE, LOVE, EXTENDED MERCIES, & WONDROUS WORKS APLENTY! Today's Decision, By The SCOTUS, has been a Loooooong Time Coming! XOXO ♥ ♥

      May every unborn child become fully protected in his/her mother's womb and live to see a very loving, healthy birth! In JESUS CHRIST Blessed Name I Pray. GOD IS GREAT! And GOD IS GOOD! ♥ ♥

      AMEN JESUS! ♥XO♥

      1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

        Oh yes, the same Jesus and God who slept through: the holocaust, the Crusades, slavery, the witch trials, and the Spanish Inquisition. Such a good God, who protects lives. Not.

      2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Matthew is quite right NLilly, your God is possibly the most monstrous deity that ever mythically existed. Thank goodness there is no demonstrable evidence to show that your God is real.

        🦁❤️

        1. NLilly's Avatar NLilly

          Hello Lionheart:

          For starters, I'm not here to entertain unbelievers such as yourself.

          Also, may I advise you to be careful of the words you spew / speak from your ignorance / folly without repentance because you/we all will stand before the ALMIGHTY GOD to give an account for every idle word spoken by us, as well as our deeds committed.

          As A Friendly Reminder: 5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.// Selah! Amen!

          And by your comments, We Already Know Your Stance! NOW, Moving Right Along..

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            All you are doing is spewing forth diatribe from your book with no demonstrable evidence whatsoever that it is true.

            If your god ever proves to be real, and I meet him, the first thing I will do is punch him on his nose and poke him in the eye for being such an a**hole to humanity and little children. No doubt you will worship that evil monster.

            🦁♥️

  1. Cindi's Avatar Cindi

    Really? Is that YOUR body inside of you?NOPE! NOT your body, NOT your choice. Murder is Murder! Inside or outside of the womb. If a child is conceived through rape, still not ok. The child has a right to come into this world of their own will and choose the gateway to come through. I thought you all were open to past lives and the importance of this life?! Maybe I am wrong. But then again, Wow, what if my niece had been aborted? How many lives would be gone if she hadn't chosen to be here in this plane and save lives by being a nurse? Taking care of people? She was conceived through rape. So what are your thoughts on that one? Had she been aborted, (murdered) how many other lives would be lost?

    1. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

      Is that a tumor inside you? It is a growth that deserves to live. Why cut out what could destroy you by completing it's purpose to exist? Maybe it will be the rare case with a positive outcome. Every broken, genetically unstable and hideously deformed creature with no viability should be brought to term. These screaming malformed creatures will benefit mankind with their meaningful short tortured lives. Some will starve to death in a crack house or end up in a dumpster. I see nothing but good from forced incubation!

      1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

        Here's another good question when is murder murder? When somebody kills an animal from meat is that murder? No it is not does that animal is not sanctioned what does it mean by being sanctioned we all know that but for the sake of brevity one example of being sanction is self-aware do we know for sure that an unborn the self aware does it know of God even exists in my opinion is when you're sanctioned that in my opinion is when if you are murdered or killed then you're murdered. Where am I going with this one idea is that when one takes her first breath of air that's the time when you take any soul then you become sanctioned I know it sounds cold and cruel that's something worthwhile thinking about

        1. Freddy's Avatar Freddy

          I believe murder is murder when you kill in innocent person whether it's in the room or whether fully grown murder is murder killing an animal for meat is not murder

          1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

            Okay you're right when a human being is in the room with you and you kill him that's murder! Question what makes a human a human? It's not a human being also animal? He's not a plant or he's not a rock! Therefore he must be animal. Before you become crazed my point is that an animal becomes human when it becomes sanctioned therefore self aware (realize that he does exist) also when he knows that a God(a higher being) exists .

          2. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

            What is the death of a 12 year old rape victim in forced childbirth?

    2. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      As long as it is attached by the umbilical cord then yes, it's attached and part of. It draws nutrients from the host as well. A woman should have a right to decide if they want that or not. Nobody, not even a zygote or fetus, should have the right to use a woman's body without her permission, period. To force this just made the unborn have more rights than the living, breathing, already contributing human being that is forced to carry it.

    3. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

      Well that's very true on that statement however on the other hand somebody else probably would have saved these people as well so all you're really doing is covering up one thing with one truth to another one which goes back the same statement whose body is it I know you say fetus but then your body is another body but whether or not it is sanctioned at that point nobody's really sure or are you anyway we could sit and argue about these things until everything comes to an end nobody's going to win it's always going to lose it just goes on and on. Okay Lionheart after I make the statement I hear you screaming my ear but let's just say there is a God be it nature or whatever he is controlling the whole thing anyway don't he or nature create the situations that's just something else for you to think about so who is really doing the aborting if we believe in God he also believe that he's actually directing things I don't know it's just something to think about may God bless us all

    4. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

      Very well said. One life lost causes many more lives never to be born. Nobody thinks beyond long term or invites philosophical and theological thinking into the equation. One must think in the next realm of time. As the Jewish Talmud teaches "one life saved is the salvation of the whole human race". Abortion being treated as a health issue is a cover up of what it really is: birth control and that is totally racist especially towards the blacks and poor, but generally towards the future of humanity.

    5. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      So when a fetus causes the death of the mother (as happened millions of times in the past), they should be locked up for homicide? That's fantastic.

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  1. Timothy Newell's Avatar Timothy Newell

    Hopefully only the beginning of evidence showing the continuation of a Spiritual Awakening! The Trinity is proud and so am i

  1. Rev. MichaelRS's Avatar Rev. MichaelRS

    Why did this article only point out 86% of WHITE evangelicals favor this without mentioning the racial and percentage breakdown of other persons of faith?

    It sounds like the same old saw of, "White man bad, conservative Christian bad."

    You don't think there's a significant percentage of black people of Faith or Hispanics, or any other Catholics, that think this is good?

    And if you think that is not a factor; large numbers of Black and Hispanic voters going to the polls in California in 2008, during Obama's first election, is pretty much why the proposition to legalize gay marriage in the state failed that year. Because you had large amounts of morally conservative minorities voting.

    None of which is meant to express my personal opinion on either subject. That's all just the facts of the matter.

    Particularly in light of overturning Roe v. Wade, some on the left are characterizing the conservative members of the Supreme Court as "activist judges", the clear implication being that that is a bad thing. But It's funny how they don't seem to have a problem with "activist judges" when they make rulings in their favor.

    In fact, in speech after speech from various liberal politicians, they have made it clear that they wish to install activist judges, at all levels, who are activists for THEIR point of view.

    Personally I am not a fan of activist judges on either side. I want judges to follow the law, particularly as it relates to the Constitution, and the intent of the legislature when those laws were made.

    But as to this aboration issue, the left has nobody to blame but themselves . THEY have put a very sour taste in the mouth of the American people over the issue by their actions over the last 10 years.

    No matter how one feels about this issue personally, you have to recognize the fact that most people are not far-left or far-right on it. Most people were able to live with "safe, legal and rare".

    But in recent years the radical leftist shouting that abortion should be legal, as a matter of choice up through the late third trimester or just because the baby is a girl or a boy and you wanted the other, really soured a lot of people to their cause overall.

    Come November I don't think that this decision by the Supreme Court is going to be the political bump many on the left think, or hope, that it will be.
    Being able to have an abortion on demand is not what the vast majority of Americans are concerned with on a daily basis.

  1. William Reese Chapman's Avatar William Reese Chapman

    Here is the bottom line. The construction does not or does it speak to the wrights or wrongs of abortion. We must remember that the Supreme Court's purpose is to rule on what the constitution states and not make up new laws. The creation of new laws is up to Congress. Until that is done it is up to the States Rights. People need to go home and vote for the appropriate State rep's

  1. Michael Barton's Avatar Michael Barton

    These comments are sick, how are any of you religious in any way shape or form? Protect the unborn, and protect the born.

    1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

      Michael . . . Protect the born but we have problems with UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, SNAP, TANF, FREE COLLEGE TUITION, HOUSING . . . 🤣🤣🤣You're so funny! Are you a Dem? You'd have to be to want to approve of ALL those social WELFARE services.

    2. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Control your sperm and protect women's lives. Get a vasectomy then you won't have to worry.

  1. Brian Edward Colgan's Avatar Brian Edward Colgan

    The Supremes were correct in overturning R v W. let the people's elected state representatives decide, as mandated by the Constitution.

    1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      So privileged nobility and venal priests should decide for the commoners? As if the American revolurion never happened?

  1. Rev Ned's Avatar Rev Ned

    SCOTUS needs to also take another look at 1967’s Loving v. Virginia.

    1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

      Mister YOU ARE RACIST!

    2. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Thomas wouldn't dare nor should he.

  1. Freddy's Avatar Freddy

    Yes it was the right ruling I stand by it I agree with it and I support it

  1. Karla K Thomas's Avatar Karla K Thomas

    I am pro-life. The Supreme Court did the right thing. People need to realize abortion was NEVER meant to be a birth control method because there are several other methods available and there is also saying, No. It is for medical emergencies only - and we all know, it hasn't be used properly for a couple of centuries. It's time to stop killing babies. I am slightly concerned that some of you who claim to be spiritual or religious, are even upset about something that was finally returned to the states to decide, as it started out to be in the very beginning. God probably isn't too happy with the way some of you are so rebellious against the Supreme Court's decision - which is the FINAL word of the law of the land.

  1. Richard Lee Cornell's Avatar Richard Lee Cornell

    Judges in South American countries live in fear of being killed. They live behind close off compounds. Have triple deck roofs, bullet glass windows, food brought in from other countries, many also have family members living in America to protect them from harm. It stands to reason the judges on this court might also decided that their rulings will have similar violent views from women who might want to do harm to them. Not only these judges, but many a Republican lawmaker will be at risk from women who are over 18 and want to control their bodies willing to risk jail time to make their views know. One does not have to physically kill off a person to ruin their lives these days, many Republicans have double or triple lives if expose to the world can see their time in public office gone. Take the person Ted Cruz who have had a fondest for young flesh his fatherhood stated when he was a mere 14 years old, those are seal records, but those offspring are not.

  1. Donald Michael Woodward's Avatar Donald Michael Woodward

    The u.s. defends using AR rifles to kill others at home and in other countries and christians are alright with this. Until a christian can defend the end of killing, talking about abortions seems absurd. Women have a right to a life of their choosing. Allowing the poorest and most unfortunate no choice in having a baby is condemning that child and possibly the mother to a life of misery. I guess that is better than death, right? There are a lot of people who prefer misery to death. My God does not interfere in the individual choices of mankind, only other men interfere.

  1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

    So privileged nobility and venal priests should decide for the commoners? As if the American revolution never happened?

  1. Cindi's Avatar Cindi

    It's not their body! It is a human being with their own body. Therefore, NOT your body NOT your choice. Think about if you had an abortion (murdered a baby in a womb) how many lives would be effected. A rape was the cause of a child being born to go on and become an A.P.R.N. who works in a hospital, saving lives. How many lives would be lost had she not been born? What is your mother or father had been murdered before, or better still you had been murdered?!?!?!?!? If you don't want children, it's simple,take birth control.

    1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

      There are states where the rapist has rights and get visitation and say over the child. Meaning the victim would have to deal with the rapist for her entire life.

      1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

        Matthew all I've got to say about that is 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

    2. Krystina S.'s Avatar Krystina S.

      Well, Cindi, an 11 year old child who is raped by her father and becomes pregnant may not have the CHOICE of birth control. And now they want to BAN BIRTH CONTROL TOO. I am enraged that people who are obsessed about foetuses and imagine they would become great people or my parent don't also realize that forced birth could also create incredible suffering of the child forced into the world UNWANTED, and an adult who is A BAD PERSON (because there are good AND bad people). And then not wanting gay or single people to foster or adopt. And not wanting nutrition help for babies and children, not wanting health care for all forced to be born, I could go on. I am disgusted by the political/religious insanity that forgets MANY religious people DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. In the Bible, after the first breath we have a person. Not before that. In the Bible, if a man isn't sure his wife is pregnant with his child, he takes her to take the bitter herbs and get rid of it (not referred to as a person.) In the Bible, pregnant women and babies are ALSO murdered at the command of G*D. Jewish people do NOT "believe" as evangelical Xristians. Their religious rights are trampled upon by a rabid MINORITY. If you don't want to get an abortion, then don't.

      1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

        Birth control in general should be banned. When one has sex it is a means to bring life into the world. The act of making love is about procreation. Remove that love becomes lust. To procreate is to share in that possibility of bringing forth another life. Birth control is a selfish motive not to share in the possibility of making a life. I really wish people would think these issues out with the common sense, logic, and brains that God gave us in instead of their fricken emotions and sexual body parts.

        1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

          Keith, there is a huge difference between sex, and intimacy for the act of procreation. We should all get the sticks out of our asses, and teach the difference between the two, there are other methods for us to enjoy each other's bodies. That is completely natural. People do not have to have intercourse to enjoy sex, and it also allows them to learn more about their selves, and their sexual desires. I guarantee, if we embraced this type of belief, there would be way happier marriages, and divorce rates would go down. Abstinence is a croc now a days, for the most part. That's a fact. Sex is going to happen, so let's do something different and stop the insanity. Embrace diversity instead of hindering it as we've been doing.

    3. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      Sorry but no. It is attached to the woman's body via umbilical cord and draws nutrients from that woman's body. Nobody and nothing should have the right to do that without the woman's permission. Ever. Period. It isn't it's own until it's separate and drawing breath on it's own.

    4. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      False. It is attached to its carrier and it draws it's nutrients from that host. Until it is out and unattached and drawing breath on it's own, no, it is NOT its own body. If the womb or the the zygote/fetus is not viable it can literally kill the woman. It literally behaves as a parasite while within. Nobody should ever have that kind of power over any other person, not even the zygote/fetus. It should be the choice of the person who's body it's surviving off of.

    5. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

      Cindi, how many alive are effected by hunger, abuse, poverty? Where is your concern for them, they are already here ALIVE. A lot of these children are sold and traffiked, there were many elite people associated/linked to Epstein and Maxwell, Presidents Clinton AND Trump, Prince Andrew, etc. . . Elite, powerful, God fearing leaders. Where is our concern for their life? How about the school shootings? How about their lives? Have you heard a child cry for food? How about the women who hate children, but have to have one anyway because the doctor says they can't get their tubes cut, tied and burned so they don't have a child they don't like or want? Instead she is forced to listen to it's crying, changing it's diapers, feeding, burping, all the demands a child will make of her when she NEVER wanted it. How hateful she'll become to this little precious life she NEVER wanted to begin with . . . She can give it up for adoption, you say? But there are so many waiting already. We'll spay and neuter animals to control pet population but have no care for all the stray humans already abandoned by the good PEOPLE who HATE taking care of them.

  1. Robert Alexander Owens's Avatar Robert Alexander Owens

    Wow, I guess America has really fallen away from the truth of God. Most on this thread are Aetheist truly no Belief in God...

    1. Matthew Mastrogiovanni's Avatar Matthew Mastrogiovanni

      I believe in many Gods.

    2. Robert Gagnon's Avatar Robert Gagnon

      The real shame is how a third of our country believes the great pumpkin is a holy symbol to rally behind and make golden idols of him. When any organized religion can exhibit random cruelty and hatred of people who don't adopt their beliefs. God never interferes in the affairs of men, we are so unimportant and short lived in this world.

    3. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

      Belief in God. Truth has actual evidence. Aside from a holy book full of hearsay that spans centuries of additions, omittances, and bad translations... thee really isn't anything proving such a god existed. And if anyone could actually prove such a god was responsible for the travesties and tragedies in that book then he isn't a god I'd want to be any part of worshipping.

      1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

        Why do you think the bible is full of heresy, contradictions and omittances? What is omitted from the bible? Where is the Heresy? Where did you get findings. How many times have your read the bible, even once? The bible for the most part isn't written for unbelievers. It is to the extent of believing and accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior. Read the Gospels. But I don't expect you to understand the bible since you aren't a believer and do not have the Holy Spirit helping you to understand. And remember, with God, there is also the Devil. A person really cant blame God when he/she doesn't believe in one.

        1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

          You're completely right. If I don't have a belief in "God" this bull doesn’t pertain to me. I believe in a Universal Law of Cause & Effect. So basically, each individual is the creator of their own heaven or he'll in their daily existence. It involves no one else, especially some "deity" that exists outside of themselves. Christian Evangicals claim only "God" can judge, but isn't that exactly what they do constantly? How about we start taking responsibility for OUR actions instead of BLAMING the devil and saying you are blessed by "God" when you receive benefit because you were "worthy" of "His" blessing. This is the Universal Life Church, we are a part of the Universal law of cause and effect. It is the effect of the actions they choose to take they will have to deal with when they make this choice, NOT mine. And I have NO RIGHT to sit and judge, neither does any one else. It's not our business why they are there making that choice, and we will not have to deal with the aftermath.

    4. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Robert, everyone is an atheist non-believer to some other religion.

    5. Krystina S.'s Avatar Krystina S.

      Robert, you assume much. I am NOT an atheist. How dare you!

  1. Maximillian Martin's Avatar Maximillian Martin

    You're completely delusional!!! Your pathetic god and jewsus are nothing but murdering psychotic creations!!

  1. Marius Gabriel Burja's Avatar Marius Gabriel Burja

    06/24/2022 6/6/6👈🏻🤓Truth steanger then fiction?

    1. Marius Gabriel Burja's Avatar Marius Gabriel Burja

      *stranger

  1. Jimmy Moon's Avatar Jimmy Moon

    Praise the LORD!!!!!!!!

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Which one? Would that be Lord Krishna? Just asking for an Indian friend of mine? 🤭

      🦁❤️

      1. Jimmy Moon's Avatar Jimmy Moon

        There is only one GOD. And not some krishna dude. That's a laugh.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          The reality is, Jimmy, every other religion on the face of the earth are all saying exactly same thing as yourself. All of them believing that their God is the real one, just like you believe yours is the real one. The reason all religions on the face of the earth rely on faith is because that is all they have. There is no demonstrable evidence that any of the worlds gods are real. So far, none of the worlds gods have actually shown up to prove that they exist. All we have is anecdotal written records, claiming their god has shown up at some time, by people who never met most of the people they were writing about it.

          So, the real laugh is, that every religionist on the face of the earth has no demonstrable evidence to back up their claims. Just like you, all they have are words written down in their books.

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          1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

            If one studies theology one comes into contact with Catholic theology. VATICAN II made it clear that there is truth in all religions but it is partial. Absolute truth lies in the Judeo-Christian tradition aka Catholic Faith. All other denominations hold partial truth but closer to the Absolute then the pagan faiths are. Think about that for awhile and study Aquinas or Augustine or Anselm on the matter.

            1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

              Thank you Keith.

              Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), Aurelius Augustinus (354-430), Anselm (1033-1109), were, as you can see, all born way after the times of the said Jesus, and would only have open to them stories handed down to them.

              Anselm, as you possibly know, is acclaimed to be the creator of the ontological argument. This is purely a philosophical argument that still has no demonstrable credibility, unless you subscribe to that aspect of philosophy.

              Augustine is yet another philosopher who was famous for his filioqe which became extremely controversial with all other churches.

              Aquinas had no sympathy for heretics (Thomas specifically says that heretics "deserve ... death" is related to his theology, according to which all sinners have no intrinsic right to life). These are fellow human being he is referring to.

              Such is the world of theologians of those times.

              For me, absolute truth lies with logic and reason, and not with those who just professed to know the truth because they felt their god was speaking to them. It doesn’t matter what the VATICAN II says, it’s just as corrupt, if not more so, than most of the earths religions. Thank you for your comment though Keith.

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        2. Nathaniel Robert Hunt's Avatar Nathaniel Robert Hunt

          Odd my Gods (nature) respond to me, unlike the so called "one god" who has never done so So to me there are many Gods and the "one god" is a lie to keep certian people in power

        3. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

          The God of Abraham, right? Otherwise known as Jehovah, Allah, and Mon Dieu?

  1. Freddy's Avatar Freddy

    Okay so what does it mean for the semen is semen not alive is semen not life explain it to me

    1. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Semen (and ova) can be frozen for years, and still be viable... a baby cannot. How is that unclear?

  1. Marius Gabriel Burja's Avatar Marius Gabriel Burja

    I wonder if there's a fear of more naturalized citizens versus natural born citizens with the curent immigration status?

    1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

      How dare you to really even bring that up. That issue is about political power when dealing with illegal aliens and open borders. Abortion is about murder, pure and simple.

      1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

        Keith, no one is illegal on stolen land. Your ancestors were invaders to this land. Our borders are just fine. You can choose to return to your country if immigrants and asylum seekers are a problem for you. Remember Jesus was an immigrant.

  1. Johnny Mac 's Avatar Johnny Mac

    GOD haters all! Do you not know that JESUS himself watched children playing and asked one to come sit beside him then taught that if you harm a child you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. I spent years on my knees in prison praying my life out to JESUS, and received his blessings. I also found by grace that it was illegal to be rebound in Marriage GOD, HE instructed me to honor the wife who divorced me and she herself sinned by marrying the man she did for more money than I. My life has been blessed and I will never go back on GOD’S teaching.

    1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      Jesus said nothing about abortion and honored Mary Magdalene.

      1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

        BTW, Mary Magdalene was not a Prostitute. Read the bible

        1. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

          Mary Magdalene was definitely a woman of I'll repute. What Bible are you reading?

          1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

            Prove it. List the bible verse. The Catholic Church hundreds of years ago called her a prostitute and the reputation stuck.

            The idea that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute comes from the account given in Luke 7:36-50 of a woman who anointed the feet of Jesus with her tears and ointment. She is described as ‘a woman of the city who was a sinner’, this verse doesn't mention why they referred to her as a sinner, though this woman may have been a prostitute. Jesus told her to ‘Go in peace’.

            This woman is not named.

            Therefore, I want to learn and I'm asking you to direct me to the verse or verses that state her name and state she is a prostitue.

      2. Keith Allen Steele Eash's Avatar Keith Allen Steele Eash

        And how do you know whether Mary Mahdzlene ever committed an abortion. Scripture doesn't mention it. Don't assume.

    2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      We are not God haters, Johnny, and in fact most of us would possibly be very delighted if someone could actually demonstrably show that any of the worlds gods, that people profess to exist, is real.

      In reality, and if Jesus ever really existed, no one knows what this Jesus fellow ever really said, because the stories and tales written about him, were written by people who never knew him. Contemporary historians of that time never wrote about him. Don’t you find that kind of weird?

      So, all you are really doing when you are saying things like: “This is what Jesus said, or did…..”, is carrying on handing down anecdotal stories and tales just like everyone else has over the centuries, with no real demonstrable evidence that the stories and tales are true. All every religion has is faith to rely on, because none of them have any true facts. That is why religions can only rely on faith, and nothing else. No amount of faith makes anything factually true.

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      1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

        Stories and tales?

        In 2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture inspired of God is also profitable for all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable

        I proved to you the bible isn't just stories and tales, you prove to me that they are.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Well for starters, we still have no demonstrable evidence Moses, Abraham, or even the God that is mentioned in your book were/are real. Until there is evidence they really existed, or that your god exists, they remain folk lore.

          There is no evidence whatsoever that anyone ever performed miracles as mentioned in your book.

          Do you remember that far fetched story of a man called Jesus who went into the Garden of Gethsemane ALL ON HIS OWN to pray to his god, while all his disciples slept, and where he was supposed to have sweat drops of blood, and all the fine details of that even were recorded and written about, by someone WHO WASN’T THERE.

          These are just a very few things off the top of my head why I say that your book is full of anecdotal stories and tales.

          In your defense, perhaps you can tell me who it was, that wasn’t there, in the Garden of Gethsemane that recorded that event?

          Perhaps you might be the first person on earth to claim the Nobel prize by proving your god, or any god, is real. Even your omnipotent god doesn’t seem able to show up in person to show he’s real. Next time you pray to him, ask him to show up at a children's cancer hospital and get him to heal them all, just as a test to prove he’s real.

          So….no, you haven’t proved your book isn’t just stories and tales, it’s actually full of them.

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          1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

            I thought this blog was for members of the ULC. From your comments you seem to be not a member or at least not an ordained member.

            you mentioned 'my' book. It's the Word of God. That's fine if you don't believe in the bible. The bible has verses to help lead people to salvation, but overall, a person needs the Holy Spirit to understand the bible and a non-believer such as yourself does not have this.

            I recommend that you continue to read the bible, and ask, if God is real to have him direct you to Him.

            1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

              Thank you for your heartfelt comment. As an ex-Minister, I have in fact read the Bible, preached to congregations in both England, and the USA, and I have baptized families.

              In fact, it was my reading and studying the Bible that caused me to de-convert from religion. If one studies it, religiously, with an open mind, using logic and reason, it becomes apparent there are many illogical stories, and errors, which is hardly surprising being as it was written by men, many with little education. I highlighted just one of those in my previous post.

              Many theologians/Ministers use that same statement as yours “needing the Holy Spirit to understand” I used to say the same thing, in a vain attempt to skirt around not having any real logical answers, and now deeply regret that I conned so many. It also served to imply if one doesn’t understand it, from a Minister, they don’t have the Holy Spirit. I knew I could use that blackmailing type of statement, and get away with it. ALL religions do the same thing, not just Christianity. It’s used in a way to make members feel guilty for not understanding, and they could go to Hell. I can now see that it’s mental abuse.

              Kindest regards

              🦁❤️

              1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

                Hello Lionheart,

                I of course do not know your story, I agree with you about de-converting from religion. As you know religion is man trying to find God and Christianity is God reaching out to us.

                I'd like to encourage you, that though you understandably have issues with 'religion', please still remain close to the Lord. Through prayer and conversation with God, you'll get your answers, And I know I'm preaching to the choir (wink)

                Thank you for opening up to me with a kind heart. God bless you

              2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Thank you TZTX. I know you mean we’ll, but I cannot stay close to something, or talk to something, that has no demonstrable evidence exists, or ever existed.

                May fairies 🧚‍♀️ Always bless you. Stay close to them (wink) 🤗

                🦁❤️

    3. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Johnny Mac... Is that what God calls 'bearing false witness' in the 10 Commandments? What Jesus said was that anyone who failed to treat 'the least of these' as they would treat Him, would spend eternity in the lake of fire. Nowhere does it say anything about Jesus ever being a pregnant woman, so 'least of these' was clearly not limited to fetuses.

  1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

    Is this blog really from members and ministers ordained by ULC? I certainly hope not.

    Pro-Abortion? You do realize that over 94% of abortions are just for convenience, the other 6% is due to health and rape. America has taught its people for almost 50 years that the life of a baby isn't valued. Therefore, if babies lives aren't valued, don't get upset when then are mass shootings and bombings because people who do that also don't value life. They been taught life isn't anything to value for the past 50 years.

    We need to value life and we need to truly take heart in 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

    God isn't talking to the people of the world but to the True Christians, not those who call themselves Christians because they believe there is a god or they go to church. But true children of God who confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

    My body, my choice is not a Christian belief 1 Corinthians 6:19 states Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own. You are not your own, you have been bought with the price of Jesus' blood/life.

    America and the world needs their hearts healed to follow the one true God and value life.

    Stop killing babies and bring prayer back into the schools and most of all, turn humbly to God.

    1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      I would truly like to know where you get your data and how many women you have actually interviewed who have had to have an abortion. Zero right? Over 64% of abortions are done because of medical problems with the fetus. Shame on you for lying. Men have been allowed for too long to not be responsible for controlling their sperm and blame women for unwanted pregnancies. The answer is vasectomy. Plus, the God of the Bible was a murdering maniac. Read and study how God slaughtered babies, pregnant women and children. God supported cutting open the bellies of pregnant women and smashing the babies against rocks. Remember those passages? Life begins at First Breath, remember Genesis? Whose prayer should be in schools? Native American, Muslim? Hindu? Buddhist? Pagan? Sikh? Christianity has caused horrible damage to populations across the globe. Hypocritical, misogynistic and racist pastors run mega churches and there is no evidence that Christianity has improved the lives of humans on this planet. We are not all Christian ministers here either.

      1. Robert Michael Dodge's Avatar Robert Michael Dodge

        Catherine, you exemplify the problem with people now adays. You blast off "Facts" that have no basis and are completely untrue. Four out of 10 women (40%) seeking an abortion cited that they were not prepared to financially bear the burden and long-term commitment of having a child. A similar number, 36% were making this choice because they felt that it was not the right stage in their life to have a baby. 3 out of 10 women or 31% reported some kind of issues with their partners as their main reason for seeking an abortion. Most commonly they were in a bad relationship or unsupportive relationship. Only 12% mentioned health-related issues that impacted their pregnancies. Another 12% said that they wanted a better life for the baby than they were able to provide at that stage of their life.

        As for your comments of Christianity, all you have to do to see that Christianity has improved life on this planet is to look at the countries where Christianity is the primary religion vs. anywhere else in the world. Christian based countries while they aren't perfect in any way Life for all involved are better.

        While I understand that not everyone at the ULC are Christians, you have to respect the christians as much as you should be respected for your faith. No one here or anywhere else in the world know for a fact that their religion is the right one. a true leader of faith would never diss another's faith.

        1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

          And you are exactly what is wrong with misogynistic Christo Fascists who believe your theology is superior to anyone else's. Life begins at First Breath according to Genesis. Christianity is responsible for the slaughter of millions of people world wide yet you pretend to have a superior theology. Tribal people experienced genocide from those "good Christians" you refer. Yet we have survived all the horrors of systematic killing while Christians held up a cross our people while claiming my ancestors were savages. Indian boarding schools were torture chambers run by Christians who beat, starved and even killed Native American children. What Christian countries are better? I do not respect those who profess to be "pro life:" yet have no problem committing atrocities against women, especially men who are irresponsible for controlling their sperm. They don't care about babies only care about holding power over women because they believe they are superior. The stats you mention are not valid either. So take your silly, misogynistic, and uninformed lecture elsewhere.

  1. Daniel Robert Jacobs's Avatar Daniel Robert Jacobs

    I guess you have never heard of Josephus.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Perhaps you can explain what Josephus, has to do with anything. Please enlighten us

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  1. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

    Ellie, I hope you don't mind I copied your statement and sharing over to my FB. It is all about control everything since Reagan has been systematically played by BOTH evil sides. I vote Libertarian, because I don't believe in approving evil of any sort.

  1. Shane Michael Westerbur's Avatar Shane Michael Westerbur

    I believe that this is a step in the right direction. I don't think the federal government should be able to impose its idea of morality on an individual state. If a state wants to ban abortion it should have the right to and same for the other way around. If you don't agree with the laws in your state you have the ability to move to a state with like minded peers.

  1. Kevin Hoskins's Avatar Kevin Hoskins

    This seems to be a moral issue more than a political or legal issue. Being incest or rape or health related issues are a mere 2-5 % of abortions. There has been 63 million abortions since 1973. Woman are worried about their bodies and argue they have lost this control on reversal of Roe v. Wade. Does this same control not apply to doing doing the thing that causes pregnancy??!! It appears to be a bigger degradation to the woman’s body having random intercourse without a care of a potential pregnancy!

    1. Robert James Ruhnke's Avatar Robert James Ruhnke

      A majority of abortions occur when the pregnancy is at its zygote stage. A majority of the 63 million were during a stage of pregnancy were done when there wasn’t even a heartbeat. 10-15% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Random intercourse is nowhere near as detrimental as a medically failed pregnancy. An from the numbers I looked at with the CDC, 42% of ablutions were declared medically necessary. That’s a huge number. Your forget that few women come forward when raped because of idiots like yourself who blame them for actions of their rapist.

    2. Paul Edward Nunis's Avatar Paul Edward Nunis

      Hand waving away raped 12 year olds dying in child birth because it's only a small number, isn't pro-life. It's pro dead 12 year olds.

    3. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

      If men like you were willing to be accountable and responsible by controlling their sperm, that would be the solution. If you ca';t get pregnant, you have no right in women's health care decisions.

      1. TZTX's Avatar TZTX

        you are correct. it takes two to get pregnant. The woman holds most of the responsibility since she is the one that can conceive.

        If you don't believe the stats I gave you on the percentage of abortion for convenience, research it.

        and don't recite the 'my body my choice' because a majority of those people who chant that , we appalled with the people who reciting that phrase when they refused to get the covid vaccine.

        Besides, I should apologize to you. You are not a Christian and therefore you live on your values and that not of a higher being. however, check the stats.

        1. Catherine Ohrin-Greipp's Avatar Catherine Ohrin-Greipp

          "The woman holds most of the responsibility since she is the one that can conceive." Spoken as a true misogynist and lazy male. Vasectomy if the safest and most effective contraception in existence and men with that ridiculous belief have been irresponsible and arrogant regarding controlling their sperm. If you can't get pregnant or haven't been pregnant, stop being concerned about a woman's uterus and her right to choose her healthcare. You don't know what my religion is and you arrogantly assume you know. I am a much more a higher being than you as I believe in the words of God, that Life begins at First Breath. go study the holy book. Jesus Never said anything about abortion and the God of the OT was a jealous, murdering God who slaughtered countless babies, pregnant women and children.

          1. Rev Wayne Steven's Avatar Rev Wayne Steven

            Let's hope vasectomies don't become illegal. That could become the next issue

    4. Deborah Jo Bennett's Avatar Deborah Jo Bennett

      Kevin. WOW! REALLY . . .

  1. Barry Havard's Avatar Barry Havard

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  1. Barry Havard's Avatar Barry Havard

    I'm in the United Kingdom and I harassed Tony Blair no end when I was studying law demanding to know when he was going to bring in same-sex marriages everybody has rights and it's not fair that certain sections of society or discriminated against because some bureaucrats are still living in a cave and writing on walls with burnt charcoal running around in animal skins leave the lbtq community alone they have just as much right as anybody else and it's people would that stupid caveman mentality that caused the problems and insight right the guy is a moron perhaps being a minister I shouldn't take such a strong view but I do I've always been a supporter of the lgbtq community even before I was ordained and I'm not stopping now

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