ICE raids sweeping through cities big and small. Families detained at bare-bones detention centers. Entire groups deported to countries they’ve never even set foot in. And faith leaders struggling with how to confront the chaos in their communities.
Across America, churches are being pulled – some would say called – into the very heart of the nation’s immigration crisis. No matter where they fall on the political spectrum, pastors face a difficult question cutting at the heart of their faith: what does it mean to minister in a moment like this? How should the Church respond to what many view as one of the defining moral battles of our time?
For some faith leaders, this is a moment not just of compassion, but of conscience, of holy disobedience.
These critics of immigration policy see parallels between the plight of Jesus and America’s migrant community. Across the country, they are driving, bussing, and even flying their flock to protest what they say is the inhumane treatment of immigrants.
But supporters of the immigration crackdown see things differently, framing migrants not as neighbors to be loved, but as trespassers to be repelled. Armed with their faith, they believe they are instruments of divine order, an avenging force for Jesus. And Jesus, they say, would meet them with righteous fury.
When it comes to immigration… What would Jesus do?
Faith Leaders Plead Mercy
At raids and detention centers, protesters bearing signs reading “Love thy neighbor” and “Who would Jesus deport?” are not an uncommon sight.
At Alligator Alcatraz, a migrant detention center in Florida so-named because it is surrounded by inhospitable, alligator-infested swampland, local church leaders turned weekly candlelight vigils into an act of public witness. Faith leaders across the Sunshine State brought their flock, and what began as a handful of worshipers soon swelled into a movement hundreds strong.
Last month in Chicago, Rev. David Black hoped to bring some ICE agents to “repentance” for their crimes against immigrants. “I basically offered an altar call,” Black explains. “I invited them to come and receive that salvation, and be part of the kingdom that is coming.”
His pleas were met with pepper balls from ICE, one of which struck Black in the head.
For these and many other church leaders meeting the moment with open arms, this is a moral imperative.
“We’re a faith of immigrants – Jesus was an immigrant,” says Rev. Hannah Kardon who heads United Church of Rogers Park. “But to me, this is basic created-being stuff. When you see what is happening here, your whole body and heart resists it because it’s fundamentally wrong.”
Is ICE "God's Appointed Avenger"?
But not all religious leaders agree. To Joel Webbon, senior pastor of Covenant Bible Church in Georgetown, Texas, migrants are an invading force – and were He alive today, Jesus would be out there with ICE rounding them up.
In a recent video, Webbon encouraged his followers to join ICE and “be God's appointed avenger who seeks to carry out God's vengeance on the evildoer."
To Webbon, these immigrants aren’t just breaking man’s laws – they’re breaking God’s. "It is a breach,” he argues, “a rebellion against the Fifth Commandment to honor your father and mother."
"You can join ICE today and make Jesus smile as you, with a gun, pack foreigners into the back of a van to be kicked out of the country. That is a godly, glorious endeavor,” he proclaimed.
Pope Leo Weighs In
As the debate plays out in the United States, Pope Leo has been voicing support for migrants from the Vatican.
He told a group of Latino Catholics that: “You have in your hands a very great task, which is to accompany the people who truly and profoundly need a sign that God never abandons anyone: not the smallest, not the poorest, not the foreigner, not anyone.”
Leo later met with several bishops from Texas who are concerned about the Trump administration's immigration policy and have been advocating for migrant rights. In this meeting, the pope lent his support to their cause, saying “the church cannot be silent.”
He also appeared to scold U.S. bishops for failing to offer more forceful pushback. “I wish that they were stronger in their own voice,” he said.
Last week, the pope made headlines for his comments about what it means to be pro-life, saying "someone who says that 'I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States,' I don't know if that's pro-life."
A Holy Divide
Clearly, there are different philosophise at play here.
As America’s immigration crisis deepens, churches are becoming battlegrounds, not just of policy, but of theology. Some are transforming their sanctuaries into shelters. Others are turning pulpits into podiums for border enforcement.
And in that tension lies a larger question about the soul of the Church itself.
Are Christians called to protect borders, or to welcome strangers? To enforce the law, or to embody grace?
When it comes to immigration… What would Jesus do?
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Pastor Wm. Dawson
Well you know and never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical people can actually be towards the scriptures neither one of the sides that are fighting this ice and deportation system is correct about Bible supporting their side neither one of them are correct the Bible doesn't say yes or no to deportations of anybody doesn't say when anybody can enter or leave a country or anything else the only thing that you people are doing is trying to turn the scriptures to say what you wanted to say not what it really says that's why you guys are nothing but hypocrites you're blaspheming hypocrites that don't know what the scriptures really say you don't know how to read it you don't know how to interpret it and all you're doing is trying to make it to be on your side to believe what you wanted to believe you have to learn how to read properly not just being able to read won't get you anywhere you cannot read into anything in the scripture to make it on your side that's not the way it works trying to say Jesus would allow immigrants in at any time or Jesus would not allow him in is just a slap in his face for the first thing Jesus was never on a gentile side he was only here for the Jewish people he died for everybody sins and that was it he only briefly spoke to two gentiles in his entire 33 years of life on this Earth he is for Jews the Israelites the Hebrews whatever name you want to put on the Israelis that's his people the age of Grace is upon us and as believers true believers and true saved people are person is God the Father that's who we answer to we don't answer to Jesus there's nothing in the Bible that says that we do only the Hebrews do the Jewish state of Israel they're the only ones those are God's chosen people not us as gentiles learn to read please leave Jesus out of your God blessed squabbles it does not belong in your fights your endeavors or anything else that's not what the scriptures are for the scriptures are here to teach you how to be saved and to get to heaven catch up nothing else quit trying to make it do what you wanted to do and you learn to do what it says to do there's a difference you can like this post or you cannot like this post it does not matter the truth is the truth and if you don't like it then you'll go your separate way because I'm not concerned I know how to read scripture I've been a pastor for quite a while so you learn how to read learn how to study quit using it to support your beliefs your beliefs don't matter it's what the scripture says to believe and to do nothing else it's straightforward you don't have to think just read
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Delight Phillips
God doesn't hate immgrants. Only Trump, American White Suprematists and Trump's Regime hate all people of color! And a few people that are just ignorant of everything!
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Lionheart
If your statement of saying President Trump “hates all people of color” was true he wouldn’t be having working for him: Secretary of State, Marco Rubio (Cuban American), or Kash Patel (Ugandan of Gujarati Indian descent). Is your TDS showing through?
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Lloyd Peter Sensenbaugh III
What Would Jesus Do? A Reflection on Immigration and Compassion Considering Faith, Borders, and Collective Responsibility in Today's World Introduction The question "What would Jesus do?" has often served as a moral compass for individuals seeking guidance in difficult times. In the context of current immigration challenges, this question compels us to consider not only practical solutions but also deeper ethical and spiritual dimensions. Jesus’ Approach to Compassion and Intervention The life and teachings of Jesus, as depicted in the Christian faith, emphasize compassion, intervention in times of suffering, and a willingness to cross physical and social boundaries to help others. If faced with the plight of migrants fleeing hardship, it is likely that Jesus would have sought to address the root causes of their suffering early on, advocating for justice, healing, and reconciliation long before conditions escalated to crisis levels. Jesus’ ministry was marked by a refusal to ignore those marginalized or in distress. He regularly reached beyond societal boundaries—geographic, cultural, and legal—demonstrating love and care for all people, regardless of their origin. This suggests that, rather than allowing situations to deteriorate, he would have acted with urgency and compassion, working to resolve underlying issues that force people to leave their homes. Modern Limitations and the Power of Faith Unlike Jesus, who was not constrained by borders or earthly limitations, modern societies and governments are restricted by laws, policies, and national boundaries. These constraints make it challenging to intervene directly in the struggles faced by people in other countries. In such circumstances, faith becomes a crucial source of hope and strength, motivating individuals and communities to seek peaceful resolutions and support systems where possible. While we may feel powerless at times, faith calls us to pray, advocate, and extend kindness within our capacities. It also invites us to imagine a world where compassion overrides fear and division, inspiring collective action for the welfare of all. The Burden and Responsibility of Immigration The influx of immigrants, particularly those entering a country illegally, places significant strain on resources, social systems, and the collective psyche of the receiving nation. Many Americans feel overwhelmed by the perceived burden, questioning how much more they can do and what responsibilities they bear. These concerns are valid, yet the teachings of Jesus challenge us to balance justice and mercy, ensuring that policies are fair while also remembering the human dignity of every individual. A Call for Global Unity and Resolution Ultimately, the resolution of immigration issues requires a global response—nations working together to address the root causes of displacement, such as poverty, violence, and political instability. Jesus’ example encourages us to transcend our borders, collaborating across nations and cultures to create solutions that honor the humanity of all people. As individuals, communities, and nations, we are called to act with compassion, pursue justice, and support peaceful resolutions. By coming together, we can help prevent suffering and build a world where fewer people are forced to flee their homes in search of safety and opportunity. Conclusion While we may not possess the boundless capacity of Jesus to cross borders and heal wounds, we can still strive to embody his spirit of compassion and intervention. By fostering faith, advocating for justice, and urging global unity, we honor the question, "What would Jesus do?"—and work toward a more just and peaceful world for all.
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Shawn David Spencer
What would Jesus do? He would most likely enter the conversation after observing and listening for a moment. He would begin his discussion by quoting a well known story that associated to the topic and he would end his discussion by paralleling the lesson to be learned from one story and suggest that the solution to their problems would lay in the lesson that could be applied to both situations. Like this, "A great man once believed that a nations strength lay in the number of soldiers in his army. Another man believed that strength lies in the amount of treasure you have to pay men to fight for you. I say they are both fools. For my father teaches through the wisdom of his prophets that the strength of a man comes by his belief within. He who believes this would be considered a great warrior. He who believes in my father and the prophets wisdom would be worth a hundred men in the field of battle. But those who believe in me when I say that I am the son of the god of Abraham and listen to my teachings, they shall inherit eternal life. If you put all that into the hands of one soldier, then he would be unstoppable, able to overcome an army of 180,000 soldiers. But a man who held all three of these things in his hands, would never agree to make war against anyone who did not force him to, for verily I saw to you, that man would be walking through the kingdom of heaven while he walked the earth and even I, the most humble of men, would seek his guidance and wisdom. For he walks where noan has walked since Adam, sinless in nature and worthy to stand before my father without shame " That's what I think he would say.
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Martin L Stigleman
If Jesus was here today, he would be face down on the ground in zip ties on his way to a prison in the swamps while you laugh and toast your hateful, orange dictator.
Let me burst your little, white bubble... Jesus was BROWN...in his time, he most likely never saw a white person! Jesus stood up for the oppressed. He didn't advocate or breaking laws...HE BROKE THEM HIMSELF! That's why he was crucified!!! Jesus was POOR...if he were here, he wouldn't have had the money to pay for immigration to the US, so you would have screamed that he be locked up! Jesus did not recognize COUNTRIES, he recognized PEOPLE...especially the people who were fearful and in need! JESUS WOULD NOT HAVE RECOGNIZED YOU, JUST AS YOU REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE HIM!
This is nothing more than another instance of hateful, white supremacists who are bastardizing The Bible to reinforce their bigotry. You should be ashamed of yourselves, because God is ashamed of you!
Note: I am NOT a Christian and I don't claim to be...but I DO recognize Christianity more that most of its followers do these days.
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Wesley Richard Hunt
How come there are no thumb Downs.
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Thomas Robert Joseph Vanko
render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
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Wesley Richard Hunt
AMEN
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Robert Lyle Mitchell
Jesus would follow the laws of the land. Yes he taught acceptance but If you came to America illegally then just go ahead and get out self deport get paid. You did not come here legally and said the laws do not apply to me I will do what I want. Selfish...
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True Face
From a Christian perspective, both Jesus and Moses were whisked away by their parents while the ruler of the area ordered a "sweep" of the babies. The soldiers who killed the babies were following orders. However, their parents broke the law to preserve their children's lives. God's thoughts aren't debatable in this instance. People like to excuse homophobia and slavery by quoting the Old Testament but fail to recognize that God's mercy on the foreigners, fatherless, and widows remained the same in both Old and New Testaments. Old Testament: “You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." Exodus 22:21 "The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:34 And the New Testament (Luke 10:25), Jesus is asked by a lawyer, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?” So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ” And Jesus said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?” And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.” Go. Do. Likewise.
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CB
Many people have no idea of the logistics it takes to run a city, county, state, or nation. One way to totally subvert a country is to engage in what is known as a color revolution. Research it and you will find out very alarming things. The immigrants flooding the United States, Sweden and other countries care little for God. Many are paid to move into a country illegally. Yes, Jesus is about love, however, he never advised anyone to allow themselves to be run over. If someone wishes to come into a country and become a citizen, that is one thing; there are ways to do that lawfully. It is another thing to come into a country to rob and plunder. I have happily assisted people in becoming citizens of this country and have introduced them to the church I attend, and have ministered God's Word to them, and it is a wonderful experience. Granted, there are some poeple who are forced to leave their own country; and a good thing to do would be to streamline the process for them to become lawful citizens. If they commit crimes, however, they should be deported.
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Lajah Mitchell
Here's the thing if you hear immigrant or you hear non american and the first thing you feel is any little bit of hatred in your heart , you have never and I do mean never stood in a glorious god. This is not a political statement.This is a statement on how hate is controlling a lot of religion. If you lead your flock with hate , it would come bitter and toxic
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P. Keith Benefiel
Do you like to eat?
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Kirk England
What Pope Leo should have said was the church should advocate for conditions in illegal (criminal) aliens’ (legal term in the US Constitution) home countries to improve to the point where people wouldn’t be COVETOUS of American money! The vast majority of illegals admit that they aren’t escaping any peril, they just want the money! On top of that, Muslim leaders are telling Muslims, including illegals, to vote in American elections as a form of Jihad (holy war). That’s not cool either! I live on the southern border and most of the ICE and Border Patrol agents I know are people of color, so it is ludicrous to say that agents are racist and want to kill people of color! They are doing the same job that even Obama had them doing. The Biden-Harris years were the only years that they weren’t allowed to do their jobs!
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Michael Ray Lane
Jesus never taught anyone that it’s ok to break the law. When asked about the temple tax what did he say Go catch a fish and pull the coin out of its mouth and pay the tax. If you break a country’s laws you are liable to pay the price that’s what government is supposed to do protect its citizens. There is a legal way to enter the country. On a personal basis I would treat an illegal with respect and compassion need a drink and something to here you go, now go home before you get caught.
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Kay Halpain
Absolutely. Jesus was for following the laws of the land.
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CB
You are correct!
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CB
Yes! Well said!
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Delight Phillips
ICE agents are as Demonic and Evil as a human being can be. If they were allowed to shoot all immigrants and people of colot, they would do so with glee. What would Jesus do? Jesus would not do any of the horrific things this administration are doing! During one of their raids, someone shouted, "You are not doing God's work." One of the ICE agents yelled back, "F... your God!" That says it all.
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Lionheart
I totally don't agree, but thank you for your opinion. It's so sad isn't it that these millions of illegal aliens have been allowed to enter the US totally unchecked. It's also sad that places like Los Angeles, Portland, Chicago, and New York has so much crime that has been allowed to go unchecked by local left leaning state government. Thankfully, we have Federal Agents that are able to step in and help Law Enforcement Officers that have been tethered by local leaders.
Shopping Malls, and local small businesses are being shut down due to rampant crime in many cities due to weak local government. Do you remember those times when you could go to a park and take your family to a picnic on the grass and feel totally safe? Thankfully, we have an administration that is determined to make America great again, just like times of old, and make criminals accountable for the devastation we are seeing in many cities. If ICE doesn't help to do that, who will? America is/was going to the dogs, and slowly dying, by decisions of past administrations. I'm so sorry TDS prevents you from seeing that.
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Clay Serenbetz
Rampant crime caused by illegals? Please tell me, where?
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Lionheart
You are getting the first paragraph confused with the second one. Perhaps it would have been better if I had referenced Federal Law Enforcement Officers rather than use the term ICE in that paragraph. Thank you for your comment for clarification. 🤗
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Brien
My friend, I too think that crime fueled by drugs has gone out of control in Portland . Part of that blame lays on the back of the former mayor who cut the drug enforcement budget, cut the police budget, then publicly blamed police for all the problems that he created. Portland lost MANY police officers because of that. The current mayor so far has done nothing to correct the situation. Now I agree that federal agents are desperately needed to help reinforce the police, I DO NOT AGREE in using ARMED MILITARY in a civilian population. Doing so is one step away from civil war, or worse, states leaving the union. No military may be used against civilian population. Nothing good will come of this. Federal agents (FBI) yes, military no. Peace ✌️
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Lionheart
Good points, Brien. Thank you?
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Eric
As a minister committed to human dignity, conscience, and the common good, I affirm that every person deserves humane treatment and respect regardless of immigration status, and that our public witness should be guided by moral conviction, constitutional liberty, and spiritual discernment. The Catholic tradition teaches the inviolable dignity of each person and calls the faithful to welcome the stranger while prudently supporting lawful governance and the common good. The United States Constitution protects religious freedom and the right of clergy and laity to speak and act according to conscience in the public square.
I affirm these core moral principles: the Church calls for discernment rooted in human dignity, truth, and justice; when trust is broken, the immediate moral tasks are truth-telling, repentance where appropriate, and care for those harmed. These principles require us to seek both mercy and accountability, to protect the vulnerable, and to prioritize the common good over institutional self‑protection.
Therefore, I urge congregations and faith leaders to:
- Advocate for humane immigration practices that protect families and human life while respecting lawful governance.
Exercise prophetic witness within constitutional protections, speaking truth to power with charity and prudence.
Respond to breaches of trust with careful discernment: investigate facts, ensure protection for the harmed, require genuine repentance where applicable, and apply pastoral and, if needed, disciplinary measures to prevent further harm.
I invite our community to pray for wisdom from the Holy Spirit, who calls us beyond partisan lines toward compassion, reconciliation, and just policies that serve human dignity.
Works Cite Catechism of the Catholic Church. Libreria Editrice Vaticana.
United States Constitution. U.S. Government Publishing Office.
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, pastoral guidance on treatment of migrants, justice, and protection of the vulnerable.
Scripture: Psalms and New Testament teaching on the Holy Spirit and discernment
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JaZe
Inequality and war will not go away without compassion.
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Vincent Nania
Either you have a country, or you don't. The USA is technically broke and printing more money in debt making inflation rise faster for money we don't have. And now you want to bring in millions of welfare cases to sink us faster? It is an invasion by infestation, theft by consent of woke. It is exactly at the pivot point of self-preservation for our communities. Of course it is against the law, Talk to any Brit or Parisian to learn what immigration invasion has done to their community. Filling the streets with homeless and destitute is not generosity. It is a pox upon the land.
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Clay Serenbetz
Illegal aliens are not "welfare cases." They actually work hard and pay taxes. This includes social security taxes for which they will never get a benefit. It is offensive to assume that they are on welfare.
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Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon
After reading the comments I don't think anyone actually read the Scriptures. From the beginning they were immigrants. Adam and Eve immigrated from the Garden. As to Jesus his parents with him immigrated from Israel to Egypt and back to Israel. So, anyone saying Jesus is against immigrants is a liar and a fool. Those that brought up the Legal vs illegal are correct. Obeying the law within the scriptures. Which goes towards the other talk on that preacher with a Ak; Peter preached with a sword at his side so why not a preacher with a Rifle? As long as it's within the law. I'm a Veteran and a Minister and my ancestors are both native American and immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, Romania, Israel, Japan And England. All immigrants Native Americans are through DNA testing found to be actually Israeli proving the Book of Mormon to be true And Jesus did visit the Americas. The Israeli/Hebrews immigranted into the Promise Land killing every man, woman and child; dog cat goat cow if it had life killing it. And Jesus is a Israeli Hebrews Jew.
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Jannetje Eleanore Van Went
Jesus would know this is the divide and conquer strategy...people so divided they fight in their own homes and community, we have been warned not to fall so far or stay too long in the dark under world, we live in it. The only thing to do right now remember you were born with a heart that feels, what feels right...so that's what they are doing. All change comes with destruction of old way...I never expected the old ways to fight this hard to leave, we have to see what is old that is being torn down and start putting faith in the new ways, they are not ours they are in the hands of the future child that will grow to bring the idea to read this right. The future knows what they want and they are growing into chaos so they will have learn what they want with out strong influence from just one source...choice will have to be their's solely for this to make sense. The powers that be do not understand how important choice is for a human sole. Let go and Let the Gods do the job.
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Victoria Maxwell
Jesus is about law and order. Give Caesar what is Caesar’s and God what is Gods’. Immigrants are breaking the law. I believe Jesus would ask these migrants if they lied and broke the law. Both sins against Christs law.
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Gerald Lindsay
This is really quite a simple issue in reality. Many who call themselves leaders lie Pastors, Bishops, and other in leadership simply don't understand their own bibles. Clearly immigrants who don't have papers from immigration stating they came here legally instantly became criminals the the moment they crossed into the United States. They may also be suffering and poor but that doesn't make them the suffering poor by definition anymore once they become criminals. Once they became criminals by US. law thy are trespassing on U.S. soil and must be deported under U.S. law. Clearly the bible says to obey the laws of the land. Being a minister or church leader doesn't give us a free pass to feed them or house them. This is where most religious leaders get mixed up. They say it's our mission to alleviate the suffering of the poor but if we give them even one meal U.S. law says it's a felony to give any material aide to a foreign national. Does our heart go out to them? Of course but giving just one them aide breaks the law and makes a Pastor a fugitive, Whether it's unpleasant or not first we must realize we don't want to become both sinners and criminals breaking the laws of God and man.
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John Alex Paxson
Jesus love immigrants, but why do they not specify if they are Legal or Illegal?
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Brian Hand
The law is the law. If you an here illegally you deserve to be thrown out. It’s not a religious thing so stop making it one.
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Steven Ferrell
As others mentioned, Jesus would say follow the law. There are LEGAL ways to enter countries, including the US and they should be followed. There is no justification for breaking the law and committing a crime, which them coming ILLEGALLY is a crime.
We have a society now days that want to justify crime. Not just illegals, but all crime. An example is the Mayor of Chicago justifying crime by saying it is because of how they grew up, etc.
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Merle A Clark
To me it is very clear what Jesus would think . Jesus would say obey the Law . Give unto Caesar which is Caesar’s … give unto God which is God’s . Meaning , the immigrants ( illegal ) did not obey the Law . Some never obeyed it for decades . May God heal this land spiritually .
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James H Caldwell
No what Jesus was talking about was taxes not law smh Christian’s don’t even understand there own Bible. Jesus himself was an immigrant and in Jesus’s time borders where there but there where no restrictions on who and when someone could cross Elinor Roosevelt agreed that freedom of travel is an unalienable right to everyone . Jesus traveled freely why should we as mere humans restrict the right to walk anywhere you’re own feet can take you and do it freely?
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Merle A Clark
Jesus said to obey the Laws of the Leaders as long as they do not contradict with the Law of God . Clearly the illegal immigrants have not obeyed this Countries Laws and the phrase give unto Caesar which it Caesar’s extended beyond taxes . Better crack open your dusty Bible
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True Face
Jesus took the tax money out of a fish. Ponder on that for a second. He didn't empty a man's pockets. Why? Because God is the source, not man. Jesus also did not follow the law of the land, but God's law, which is mercy, empathy and compassion. The money changers in the temple, for instance were following the law of the land, for it was not prohibited, but Jesus broke the law of the land when he flipped the tables because they desecrated the temple. In the US, everyone pays taxes to a degree, even the undocumented migrant, but billionaires and churches don't. Furthermore, the Constitution covers all persons, citizens or not, for many of the Founding Fathers knew that many who lived here were not born here. Just a little food for thought.
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ServantOfJudgement
James,
No angel would break the law to test one's faith nor would God.
Superficial meanings of verses in the bible is the only wisdom unbelievers can usually glean from the document. Sometimes not even that. For some reason God encrypted the document and belief is the key needed.
If you live in a home and 10 people sneak in at 1am I expect you'll make them all breakfast and let them stay as long as they want while you go off to work.
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Martin L Stigleman
"No angel would break the law to test one's faith nor would God"
REALLY?!!!
I assume you have heard of Adam and Eve? They were permitted to eat of al the fruit of all he trees, but one, correct? But they DID eat from te one tree, right? Because they were tempted by the serpent, right?
Tell me...was the serpent beyond the power of God to control? ...but I though God was all powerful?
MAYBE....just maybe, GOD allowed the serpent to tempt them TO BREAK HIS LAW. But why would he do that? Either to create a reason to punish them, or to TEST THEIR FAITH.
Ever heard of JOB? God destroyed his entire life to test his faith...on a wager with Satan if I remember correctly...
Oh, and Satan. He rebelled against God...why? Because he was jealous of Man because God gave him FREE WILL. ..but angels didn't have free will, so Satan COULD NOT REBEL...unless God created him to rebel AGAINS HIS LAW in order to test the Faith of Man.
The entire history of the Christian religion is God breaking his own laws in order to test man's faith.
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Rev. Denise Ward
God loves all his children it doesn't matter who we are what color we are what nationality we are but it seems like the government has stacked against us at this moment I believe that if immigrants are legally allowed to stay in the United States that would be good I believe that ice is very disruptive they are treating people like animals I don't agree with that and there's so many crossroads with this cousin reality we all may be immigrants as the world split up into different sections different states and different continents where do any of us really stand there's only two races human and species and I believe that we all should be treated with dignity and respect no matter where we come from
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Lionheart
However, we are a nation of laws, just like all other nations. There is a righteous pathway for those who want to come to the USA legally. Many are taking that legal pathway. Others, (illegal aliens) are ruining it, or have ruined it, for those that are standing in line trying to do it the right way.
You say "I believe that if immigrants are legally allowed to stay in the United States that would be good..." This statement of yours holds true to this day because legal immigrants ARE allowed to stay in this country, illegal immigrants that have bucked the system are not, irrespective of what the left like to say that everyone is being targeted and rounded up, but they will continue to spin that narrative because of their angst for our President.
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Bernard Charles Ash
God is LOVE for all - regardless of color or our personal beliefs. If we abide by and live in god's blessing (love) we should accept and help anyone in need. The lands and borders are divided by man not God, We are loved by God and he expects us to cherish his gift. When we shun any man because of his color or beliefs we are offending our creator. When the feelings of hate and feelings of self greed or discord we are not living in in God's love. We are taught in 'Sunday school to love one another. Hate is the work of Satan.
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Brenda Koehler
Just found out about Joel Webbon the other day. He is spewing dangerous ideology.
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Richard Dean Scott
1st, accept your faith in the Creator creation of many colors skin and not putting one skin colors in charge of the others...remember Moses immigrated to a better way of life...Lastly, Jesus's family immigrated from one location to another for work and his ministering called him to be a immigrant. A minister with a weapon may have a fear that should be addressed.
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Jerry Dean Silverwood
WHY IS THIS EVEN A DEBATE?????
New Testament has all kinds of references about welcoming a "Stranger"...and...why would we need to "avenge evil doers"? Last I checked Holy Lands were in the Middle East, Jesus never came to the Americas (or at least according to the Old Testament and New Testament--other religious works has differing views on this), And, basically, if you have White European lineage, then your family were part of that list of evil-doers.
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's render to God what is God's. This means in reference to Caesar they will enforce the laws in reference to God show mercy and acceptance I don't know why we can't do both.
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
When did you Caesar what is Caesars and rendered to God what is God's.
Caesars is enforcing the law and God is to welcome and show compassion I don't know why we can't do both.
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Frank Leogrande
IF YOU ARE IN THE U.S. ILEGALLY, GO BACK AND APPLY ACCORDING TO THE LAW.DONT MAKE THIS OUR PROBLEM ,YOU ARE THE ONES AT FAULT.
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Pastor George Day
Frank Leogrande
Why all the yelling?
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Rev Morse
I can't afford to sponsor one, to make them legal, so those who can, should. We also have to carry around our drivers license or id, as Americans. I also can't cross into another country without a passport. They need to obey the laws of the land.
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Clay Serenbetz
As an example of the cruelty of ICE policies, recent reporting notes that a 13-year-old boy was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents and transported to a juvenile detention center over 500 miles from his family. No hearing occurred.
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Reverend Paula Copp
ICE is the American Gestapo. They kidnap people off the street , take people away never to be seen again; zip tying children is a Nazi tactic. Hiding their faces is cowardly! Jesus would be disgusted!
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ServantOfJudgement
Nazi didn't have zip ties.
You sure know a lot about Jesus for someone who doesn't believe in him.
What do you think he would tell an illegal immigrant that was legally deported. I mean, after he told the illegals they should not have broken another nation's laws and should have expected deportation?
All illegal aliens should expect deportation one day. If I snuck into Scotland and camped on my ancestral ground I should expect to be rounded up and deported.
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Seronica Linte' Cartwright
This land belongs to NO MAN, as we ALL pass away and leave it behind! "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us". The answer is right there, and anything else is uncivilized. Judge not, OR YOU WILL BE JUDGED! All of the answers are right in our face, therefore there IS no debate. We were already informed of the false prophets to come, we must remain steadfast in faith as we fight false principalities from self-serving modern day Pharisees and ideologies from blasphemous mouths looking to steal souls from the Lord's people!!
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Lionheart
I don’t know whether you've ever noticed but that’s what happens when people break the law. If you are ever caught with a DUI for instance, and there are children in the car, you will be separated from them and taken into custody. Obviously you will see law enforcement as Gestapo because that’s how liberals obviously think. I’m sorry you don’t understand what a nation of law and order means.
As for children, I’ve seen what you are referring to. They are basically tyrannical law breaking yobs that do not understand what peaceful assembly is. They are typical FAFO militants that deserve zip tying and taken away.
The reason agents hide their face is because the militant left want to dox them and cause havoc with their families, just for doing their jobs as law enforcement agents. This is what I, and most of the electorate, voted for. Long may it continue until we have complete law and order, which obviously the liberal left are not interested in.
Do you live in Colorado, New York, Portland, or California by any chance? 🤭
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Clay Serenbetz
Again, illegal immigration is a civil offense, not criminal.
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Lionheart
Irrespective of what offence it is, they have still broken the law and they are still illegal aliens. As such, they are subject to being removed. They knew that when they illegally entered the US.
Biden’s administration led them into giving them a false sense of security. This administration is left mopping up finding them, and also trying to find 300,000 children that have gone missing, possibly trafficked, that the very incompetent Alejandro Mayorkas let in and had no idea where they all went. 🤷
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Clay Serenbetz
Reports state that ICE shot a preacher in his head with a pepper ball while he was praying. ICE is tear gassing journalists reporting on ICE'S actions which is protected by the 1st Amendment. No wonder ICE agents are hiding behind masks, as they are an uncontrolled gestapo-like force who violates civil rights of.peaceful citizens. What planet are you living on where you state that those in.the country legally have nothing to worry about. You are apparently blind to reality?
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Lionheart
I see you are still reading reports from CNN and MSNBC.
That preacher might find it best next time to pray in a safer environment than with anarchists from ANTIFA. If he really was praying in that mob, that was very poor judgement on his part. Presumably he wasn’t praying for his safety.🤭
I’ve seen those videos and they don’t look like peaceful citizens to me. They all look like typical FAFO anarchists.
Let’s hope President Trump enables the Insurrection Act, and starts cleaning up those streets in left leaning Portland and elsewhere so that we can start living in peace once again. MAGA.
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Clay Serenbetz
Again, we need aliens to maintain economic growth, to keep our population from declining due to low birth rates. Crops are being plowed under because they are rotting in the fields for want of workers to do the backbreaking task of harvesting them. Farmers are suffering from these losses. Food prices are rising in turn. We need workers willing to do jobs that white billionaire are not willing to dirty their hands. When ICE raided the Hyudai factory, those workers were legally residing in the U.S. on temporary visas. Yet ICE deported them anyway, thereby damaging GDP output unnecessarily. Congress needs to solve these problems because the current President is failing to adequately address these issues. A civil offense has historically been treated differently from a criminal offense. So, your deport them no matter what argument falls flat iny view, especially given the cruelty and inhumane methods currently in play..
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Lionheart
Not true, Mr Serenbetz. Here is a very recent report showing some crop harvests went up between 3% and 6%.
https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2025-10-01-who-picked-the-crops/
“Well, it’s now October. And by all accounts, this was a pretty normal harvest. Wine grape production, heavily dependent on migrant pickers, is up 3 percent over 2024. Apples, also reliant on immigrants, had a bountiful year, with a 6 percent increase, according to the USDA.”
The left will say the same as you just did to support their narrative. However, if it was true, what a wonderful opportunity for all those standing in line doing the right thing by attempting to enter this country legally. I feel really sorry for those doing the right thing knowing they are possibly being impeded with their applications due to all these millions of illegals, don’t you?
Hopefully, those standing in line waiting to do the right thing to come here legally, just like I did, will be seeing a ray of hope now that illegal aliens are being removed. In fact, it might actually help to push along their applications to legally immigrate here. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? If it does, I doubt CNN or MSNBC will report it.
Thank you for you for your comment though. 🤗
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James Godfrey
My Grandfather was a farmer long before modern equipment that now "picks" the crops. His seasonal workers were mainly Puerto Ricans. They are in this country Legally. Nuff said.
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Clay Serenbetz
Actually, the statistics that you cite are misleading. While output grew by $52 billion from 2024 to 2025, much of this increase comes from livestock sales and disaster AID, not crops. Consequently, many farms, especially crop farmers, face financial strain. We lost overseas soybean markets and soybean farmers will have to declare bankruptcy absent a hand-out from the Trump Administration. Furthermore, Trump just gave $20 billion of our hard-earned money to Argentina for no reason and that gift will not help Americans. China is now buying soybeans from Argentina, not the U.S. Is that what you consider spending money in the U.S. to help Americans? Tax dollars are helping U.S. billionaires, not the average American.
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Lionheart
OH NO! You mean to say that some farmers "illegally" employed illegal aliens instead of American citizens? Let's hope they also get heavily fined for doing so.
Hopefully, we can now get back to reducing the backlog of people trying to enter this country legally to help those very naughty farmers get back on their feet.
I'm so glad you are concerned about government spending waist. I'm trying to locate any comments of yours about ridiculous spending habits by the previous administration. Strangely, I don't see you commenting on those, yet you seem concerned about only the $20 billion lifeline to Argentina:
$22,600,000,000 (HHS) – Aiding illegal migrants through resettlement programs, home and car purchases, and loans
$7,500,000,000 (DOT) – Funding a few dozen electric vehicle stations across the nation
$382,000,000 (DOL) – Issuing fraudulent unemployment payments to tens of thousands of individuals,
$312,000,000 (SBA) – Providing business loans for children 11 years old and under.
$59,000,000 (FEMA) – Supplying services and housing for illegal immigrants in New York City
$46,500,000 (DOS) – Funding projects to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Brazil
$43,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting programs to build an inclusive and capable workforce, with a special emphasis on public health and climate change sectors in Egypt
$35,900,000 (USAID) – Funding positive youth experience in Gaza
$26,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting higher education in Egypt
$17,500,000 (USAID) - Supporting male circumcision and condom programs
$17,300,000 (USAID) – Providing the Diversity and Inclusion Scholarship Program to students in Burma
I can provide you with more silly spending by Biden if you'd like the full list.
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Clay Serenbetz
I never said anything about farmers hiring illegal aliens. You are putting words in my mouth. I said that the Trump Administration just gave Argentina $20 billion, which belies your contention that the current government is spending money on Americans. They are also giving tax breaks to billionaires, while the rest of us face a 100% increase in healthcare costs. I also said that farmers are losing their Chinese markets permanently to Argentina, to whom we all just paid $20 billion which could have gone to financially stressed U.S. farmers who are losing their foreign markets.
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Lionheart
Are you aware that $20 billion bailout comes with strings attached — namely, that President Javier Milei of Argentina, must prevail in the country’s legislative elections this month. He hasn't given them $20 billion yet. There will of course be a political advantage to benefit USA if Javier Milei wins the election. President Trump rarely, if ever, gives away money for nothing, unlike Biden did.
Do we have the money to give Argentina? Of course we do, we can use much of the money that was intended to be squandered by the previous administration that was unearthed by DOGE as listed above.
Our Healthcare system was broken a long time ago and needs fixing. Let's hope our President can do something about it during his term of office. At least he's worked on bringing prescription drug prices down that no one else did. TrumpRx.org for your prescriptions is coming soon. 🤗
Obamacare was doomed from it's very beginning. You can read more about that here:
https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408166
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Clay Serenbetz
You say that those legally in the U.S. "shouldn't have anything to worry about." Yet in the cases of the Hyundai workers, Mr. Guevara, Mr. Öztürk and various U.S. citizens, such as the person referred to in the AP article referenced above, they deport or illegally seize persons anyway. So, you premise is belied by the facts of the cruel, arbitrary and illegal seizure and removals of citizens and legal residents. The U.S. Constitution demands that everyone is entitled to the right of Habeas Corpus and a speedy hearing. ICE is ignoring these Constitutional safeguards to the detriment of our Country's values and laws.
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Clay Serenbetz
"The Hill" reports that when George Bush came into office, illegal immigration total doubled from 6 million to 12 million by the time he left office." Biden was mo worse than GOP Presidents who preceded him.
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Lionheart
Yes, you are right, previous administrations have a lot to answer for that this administration is trying to clean up. It’s a huge mess, isn’t it which is going to take some time. Thankfully, we have at least another three years to try and clean up some of this mess, and hopefully many more years to come.
It’s nice to see that over 1 million illegal aliens have seen the light and have taken the option to self deport back home to their country safely. Those that are not taking up that option will no doubt cry foul, and send their pleas to Liberals for support when they are caught and sent back home.
This is what the electorate have voted for, knowing that the previous Border Tzar, Kamala Harris, totally failed. Like I have said before, we definitely dodged a huge bullet there with her losing the election.
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James M Sam
Actually the immigration law as it is states that anyone asking asylum is welcome to the U S. BEEN THAT WAyfor 40 years or more. Biden was only following the law as it is and why toward the end we had a new bipartisan bill on the table. But Trump wanted to run on this topic so told his syncopats to vote against it. We still do not have a new immigration law, only a president who is breaking the current law
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Lionheart
Yes we have "legal immigration laws" that also cover for asylum seekers. I went through that immigration process "legally". Biden was definitely not following the law by opening the floodgates letting millions in totally unchecked, and losing 300,000 children.
Among many checks, Immigration vetting check everyone for:
Criminal History Physical/Mental Health Education English Language Abilities Work Experience Financial Status
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Rev. BH
Lionheart, the key word is children. Not under 25, not teenagers, "not tyrannical law breaking yobs". Kids. Got any? Love and protect them?
And how did you "vote" for ICE? Wasn't in Trump's 2020 platform, as I recall.
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Lionheart
Don’t believe everything you read from CNN, or MSNBC. I read recently, and even saw video, of what looked like a 7 year old female being detained, she was small enough to have looked 7 years old, but as real details unfolded the female turned out to be actually 27 years old. CNN later retracted their attention grabbing left wing story, but the damage had been done and DEM’s still want to believe the original story because it suits their narrative. Some real children were on a flight to return to their families in a country of their origin a few weeks ago, but was stopped by a left wing judge, so those parents don’t get to see their children yet. 🤷
I voted for illegal aliens to be removed and for our tax dollars to be used to help our own citizens, which was part of the 2024 platform. ICE is involved with that effort. The 2020 platform was to build a wall in an attempt to keep aliens out, which Biden and Harris later stopped and tried selling the unused steel for scrap. Do you remember her….the Border Tzar? What a joke! 🤭. This nation dodged a HUGE bullet there at the last election. 😜
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Clay Serenbetz
Don't believe everything you see on Fox either. They paid hundreds of millions of dollars for lies in their reporting.
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Lionheart
Yes, it appears all news outlets are a problem nowadays…right? It’s best that we don’t lean heavily on any of them and try to keep an open mind.
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Rev. BH
Lionheart, OMG! A small 27 year old female! In our country! The terror!
Since you claim not to watch liberal lefty CNN or MSNBC, how do you know what "propaganda" they post? And the related question you've still never answered - What are your preferred news sources? We're all still waiting for a legitimate answer.
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Lionheart
I don’t lean on any particular news organisation. I tend to go by results and so far it’s looking as though the results of this administration are at least making headway from some of the catastrophes of previous administrations.
Let’s give credit to this administration for shutting the border down, sending many illegal aliens home, putting a curb on Biden’s inflation, and securing the release of hostages from Hamas, and we haven’t even completed one year of this administration.
Will there be some negative aspects of this administration? Yes, I’m sure there will be. Let’s see how the next three years goes. I guess the question is, could it be as ineffective as the last administration?
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Clay Serenbetz
Here is a recent news report from the AP concerning the illegal actions of unidentified ICE officers: A U.S. citizen in Portland, Oregon, was detained by plainclothes officers and held at the city's U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building for hours before being released, according to his attorney.
Frank Miranda was outside his place of work early on Oct. 2 when multiple agents wearing masks, who did not identify themselves, approached him and told him he was “on an overstay,” his attorney Michael Fuller said. In a video that Miranda took of his detention, he can be heard saying, “What do you mean, overstay? I don't know what that is."
He told the officers that he was born in California. After objecting to being taken into custody and saying he hadn’t done anything wrong, an officer can be heard on the video saying, “We’re gonna put you in cuffs or you’re gonna get the dog.” These agents are unchecked and unaccountable and, thus, evildoers. They are not in any way noble. They should be ashamed of themselves and turn themselves in to police for unlawful imprisonment, a felony. Tjis man's detention was undoubtedly based on illegal racist stereotypes.
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Clay Serenbetz
According to the ICE agency’s own Sept. 25 custody report, the largest group of immigrants arrested in the interior and currently detained by ICE (16,523) are people with no criminal record at all. (To be clear, being present in the U.S. unlawfully is a civil immigration law violation punishable by deportation — not a federal crime punishable by jail.)
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Lionheart
That’s wonderful they didn’t have a criminal record. Hopefully they can find some gainful employment back in their home country. Thankfully, many have seen the light (1 million +) and have removed themselves, which now will give them a better chance of returning legally if they meet all the requirements for legal immigration.
Thank you for that update, Clay.
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Clay Serenbetz
By the way, illegal entry is not a criminal offense, but a civil offense.
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Clay Serenbetz
Neither of these men were in the U.S. illegally, but they were deported for exercising their right of free speech: Mario Guevara is safely home in El Salvador after being deported because the administration thinks journalism is a national security threat. Meanwhile, Rümeysa Öztürk is still facing deportation proceedings 200 days after being arrested for writing an op-ed the government didn't like.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
God DID love the first wave of illegal immigrants from Europe who stole land from the Native Americans. That's what Manifest Destiny is all about. The Untied States stole what was to become California Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Texas from Mexico fair and square in the Mexican War.
Now that we stolen all of this land and forced the Christian religion on everyone we need to be selfish and not let the people who we stole the land from illegally enter the country and covertly take what we stole back. That's not fair and we need to do something about it.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
In the Secular Humanist Pantheist congregation of the universal Life Church, in which I’m the titular honcho in Oklahoma, it’s advocated that the entire USA human pollution, that’s legally entitled to be in the USA, be required to possess a National Identity Card (NIC) — which would be required for any financial transactions in excess of $100. Once it’s extremely difficult to try to live in the USA (especially when everyone employed by anyone else, is required to show their card, even to vote and/or be possession of a firearm) illegals will become a thing of the past. Thanks to Nature, and the brains Nature prepared us with, to ameliorate the human problems, we brought upon ourselves.
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Keoni Ronald May
Why have any US Immigration Laws, if people do not want them enforced. Illegal Aliens should not be vetted. We should permit dangerous criminals, from all around the world, to enter all of the sanctuary cities, and more. We could use more serial killers, serial rapist & sodomizers, cannibals, arsonists, domestic terrorists, serial bombers, Muslim Terrorists, Sharia Laws, and open the floodgates for all other dangerous crimes. We should end all law enforcement departments and condone vigilantism. Why have any Court System ? End the Judiciary Branch, end the Executive Branch, end the Legislative Branch, and end the Bureaucracy Branch. While we are at it, end all branches of the US Military.
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Lionheart
We are a country of law and order. All countries have borders for a reason and they all have a legal process to enter those countries.
Just as I did, many are currently going through that legal process to enter and reside in this country. Having passed the requirements to naturalize, I went through the naturalization process and pledged my allegiance to the United States. I now proudly fly the American flag.
Those who illegally entered this country did so knowing they broke the law and that one day the law could/would catch up with them. It’s as simple as that.
Even God, if you believe in him, has requirements to enter his kingdom. If you don’t make the grade you won’t be able to enter, and you will be banished into a fiery furnace for eternity. Thats if you believe that story. 🤭 We are not as cruel as that god. All we will do is send them back to where they came from as best we can.
Life is full of choices, and those that entered illegally made their choices, knowing it could come back and bite them in the butt.
It’s really weird how enforcing the laws of this country are seen as fascism. If some sanctuary states Police Forces are banned from upholding the law then Federal agents will. At least illegal aliens are being given the choice to self deport and I understand over a million+ have already done that. Those that don’t are playing a waiting game.
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Patricia Ann Gross
But, the bulk of those being rounded up entered legally, were given a protected status, until all of a sudden the rules changed and that status was dismantled? That is a far cry from someone sneaking over the border, stowing away in a shipping crate on a ship, outright lying through false documents, or swimming the Rio Grande to get here. With the flick of an EO, your own naturalization can become void and you would be sent to God only knows where. So please, dear LH, obey the traffic laws. This blog would sure miss you.
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Lionheart
Thank you, Patricia. I question your statement of saying “the bulk of those being rounded up entered legally”. It’s estimated that at least 6 million flooded across the border under Biden’s weak border policies, and that doesn’t include the millions before his administration.
Those with up-to-date Green Cards, and definitely those that pass the Naturalisation process shouldn’t have anything to worry about. It’s a fallacy to suggest otherwise of which many liberals like to believe is true to push the negative narrative about this illegal alien problem we now have that has been created by other administrations poor immigration policies.
I personally found the legal immigration policies and procedures that are in place, along with the interviews at the American Embassy in London to be quite fascinating, which took me and my family approximately two years to ensure we met all the requirements to immigrate here to the United States.
Some of those requirements that needed to be satisfied by the immigration authorities were our financial status, criminal background checks, education and employment status, and a check up on all of our health to ensure we wouldn’t be bringing any diseases into the country.
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Patricia Ann Gross
The important word in your post is "shouldn't" (have anything to worry about). But if you believe everyhting that comes out of our fearless leader's mouth, even naturalized citizens could be "de-naturalized" and deported if they fall out of favor of him. Just because you are a fan now, doesn't mean you won't say something he disagrees with at some point. Don't believe me? Look how fast he has turned on former "best buds." He doesn't even acknowledge knowing who Epstien was, or Giaselle Maxwell, who he would have to "look into" before deciding on whether or not to grant her a pardon. This is not to mention most of his first term appointees who are now mortal enemies. That's why I suggest you stay safe. I was born here, and unfortunately I don't feel safe anymore.
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Lionheart
I do realize that TDS can cause panic in many people, and the left leaning media love to spin as much negativity as they can about our President, which in turn fuels the fires of peoples fears and anxieties.
My suggestion would be to stay above the law, stop reading negative press, love your country, think positively, and proudly fly the American flag. 🇺🇸
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Patricia Ann Gross
The "fact" is that TDS is caused by the "creation" of over 500,000 illegal immigrants by recinding TPS all across the board, making anyone waiting on a refugee assessment immediately eligible for deportation and then having ICE camp out at the ICE processing facilities to pick up people showing up for their appointments. Any infraction, was met with an immediate trip to a detention facility. These immigrants came hre on a promise and good faith, and now have been lied to by our country by the swish of an auto-pen on an EO.
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Clay Serenbetz
Our country's immigration laws are out-of-date and inadequate. For years, Congress hasn't been unable to address this problem due to political polarization. In the meantime, crops are being plowed under because they are rotting in the fields for want of workers to do the backbreaking task of harvesting them. Farmers are suffering from these losses. Food prices are rising in turn. We need workers willing to do jobs that white billionaire are not willing to dirty their hands.
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Lionheart
Irrespective of whether immigration laws are to be considered out of date and/or inadequate the situation is that they still exist and need to be adhered to until there are changes to those laws.
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Rev. BH
Lionheart, please name another few US laws you are so adamant about upholding? You come across as a one-trump pony.
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Lionheart
As Liberals love to say, no one is above the law. All laws need to be honoured, not just immigration laws.
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Rev. BH
"As Liberals love to say, no one is above the law..." Of course, Lionheart, only liberals say that...
A challenge: occasionally make your point without diminishing those who do not agree with you.
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Lionheart
I do, of course, realize that others make the same point that no one is above the law, it’s just that for some reason I have in my head seeing many video images of many liberal leaders saying it. I’m sure others do as well, so thank you. 🤗
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Jesus was NOT teaching peoples to break laws and creep like rats into other countries. Jesus never taught that. Jesus was NOT teaching peoples to smuggle drugs guns and kidnapped people. Jesus was NOT teaching peoples to lie.
Instead, Jesus taught peoples to be humble and nice to others. As above so before. Laws are Laws.
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Patricia Ann Gross
But.... Mary and Joseph snuck Jesus out to Egypt to hide when King Herod put a bounty on his head. Were they sneaking around likes rats? Or were they seeking sanctuary while their child was in mortal danger. Not everyone seeking assylum is a gun-smuggling terrorist.
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ServantOfJudgement
Patricia, Egypt had no immigration law during the time of Jesus. If they did, Joseph and Mary would have chosen elsewhere to flee to or followed the laws of Egypt to enter.
Try walking from Israel to Egypt today or visa versa and see what happens.
Our country has had about 100k annual overdose deaths for the last 5 years. We Trump voters aren't worried about gun smuggling aliens. We're worried about drug smuggling terrorists. 100k dead IS a direct attack on our civilian population that destroys families forever.
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Patricia Ann Gross
They didn't have guns and illegal drugs either. This is the problem with taking the Bible literally. The people who wrote scripture, first and foremost were not writing scripture, they were documenting stories or writing poetry or letters. They also had no concept that hundreds and thousands of years later the technologies would be so deadly. Culture, technology and society has evolved, but scripture has remained stagnant in the first century. The theological dilemma is to make it relavent in a 21st century world, and considering the weapons of mass distruction a gospel of peace and love of neighbors makes much more sense than one of war.
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Clay Serenbetz
They are not seizing drug smugglers. Just normal god fearing people who aren't white and their children and deporting them wherever ICE thinks is a dumpy country.
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Reverend Paula Copp
Somehow, I don’t think Jesus would want millions of people to be deported…especially if they’re in dire need…
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ServantOfJudgement
Like babies in the womb? They get deported to the landfill and they're definitely in need. Globally one every 0.5 seconds. Do you think Jesus wants that?
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Steven P Ruch
This is my OPINION. not from the Bible.. As someone said that ICE is arresting Legal immigrants.. if they are Legal then they should have documents showing they are Legal.. now from the Bible... God said that we should obey the laws of the land. (Sometimes this is a hard pill to swallow) but if a person is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.. then i think they should be treated with respect and sent back to what ever county they came from and given a fair chance to come back to the United States the LEGAL Way. Just because no one was able to stop them from crossing the border (for what ever reason) doesn’t give them the freedom to stay Illegally. No I'm not prejudice even though some people probably will think I am. I have always lived by what's Right is Right and what's wrong is wrong..
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Rev. BH
Steven P Ruch: "if they are Legal then they should have documents showing they are Legal".
Papers please! says the ICE Oberstleutnant. "I'm a U.S. citizen - I don't have any "papers".
"Too bad. Off to Rwanda!" (Look up ICE Third Country Agreements. You can be sent anywhere that wants US money.
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Clay Serenbetz
They don't give them the right of Habeas Corpus to prove in Court that they're legal. Instead they just seize them and deport them to countries from which they didn't come. Your premise is wrong. They take them right out of court where they are following up procedurally on their right to be in the U.S. and deport them anyway. Get your facts straight.
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Rev. BH
Correct, Clay. ICE in my town hang around our local immigration court to nab those who attempt to legally follow the law to procure a green card, asylum or relief from deportation. Walk in to do the right thing, walk out to be disappeared.
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Patricia Ann Gross
Where do you keep the documents that say you are in this country legally? If you were born here, I'm talking about your birth certificate and passport. My guess is that these are not documents you carry around with you at all times, and neither do immigrants, legally here or otherwise.
The people being detained, sometimes for days, are denied access to an attorney and family, including anyone who could produce the documents for them. Even people showing valid unexpired green cards and ID cards are being denied the basics required to gather the documents and it slows down the process to the point that the person ends up losing their job and missing any pay for the time they were detained, and with no recourse.
I am getting to the point where I carry my purse when I walk the dog, just in case I need to show an ID, and I'm not sure that would be of any help. When I rounded a corner and saw a caravan of large black SUV's (like Tahoes) in front of a construction site with a city police cruiser with flashing lights off to the side on a side-street, I really hated where my head went, as that is not the America I want to live in, like I have been for nearly 70 years.
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ServantOfJudgement
That's why evil wins Steven.
Evil wanting and willingly breaks the law then demands good follow the law when dealing with them once caught.
I wish the 20 some million invaders didn't break the law to get here just as much as I wish ICE would follow the law as they deport them.
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Clay Serenbetz
Many of those people that ICE is rounding up and deporting are in the country legally and also they have never engaged in crime. To put them in a basket as evildoers is evil. The Bible frequently commands followers to welcome and show love and hospitality to strangers, such as in Leviticus 19:34, which states, "The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself," and Hebrews 13:2, which says, "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have welcomed angels without knowing it". ICE's work violates the teachings of Christ and the Bible and it is therefore Satanic.
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ServantOfJudgement
No Clay. Those laws were written for a nation that did not have immigration laws.
ICE is not a Christian or Jewish organization. It's a federal organization that exists to do exactly what its doing.
Your example of welcoming strangers definitely applies to Legal Immigrants. I'll get behind that one for sure.
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Donald G Magel
Several of those deported were legal citizens. Their crime was only being brown.
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ServantOfJudgement
No legal citizen can be deported.
Quasi legal immigrants can be and are.
Come to this s beautiful nation on a work visa or whatever and trash talk the country, expect deportation.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Michael Hunt
They're not supposed to be able to deport legal citizens, but they have.
https://lailluminator.com/2025/08/21/children-deport/
ICE has also detained US citizens for days.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/george-retes-ice-detained-us-citizen/684152/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/woman-wrongfully-detained-in-immigration-raid-describes-what-she-endured
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/video-ice-detains-threatens-oregon-man-despite-u-s-citizenship/
"Come to this s beautiful nation on a work visa or whatever and trash talk the country, expect deportation." This means you don't believe immigrants have the same free speech rights that natural born citizens do, which goes against the constitution. The right to be critical of those in power is essential to democracy.
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ServantOfJudgement
I know legal citizens have equal protection under the law Michael.
If I sneak into a country, crank out kids, get busted and deported, id take my kids with me.
You got a green card and trash the nation, instigate violence or cough on a kitten, get out. Here illegally? Get out.
Shame on President Biden and the space cadet for bringing so many here illegally. Had he not done that none of this would be happening. And shame on all the voters of Biden who brought such suffering on these people.
Let's hope Trump gets them all out quickly so we can go back to fighting over what bathroom to use.
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Michael Hunt
"I know legal citizens have equal protection under the law Michael." Then why are they not receiving equal protection from being detained by ICE? How are you completely unable to acknowledge the truth?
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will
Are all of these legal citizens being detained and abused by ICE for days receiving equal protection under the law?
Kicking a green card holder out for "cough[ing] on a kitten" is absolutely wild to me. That's an abuse of power seen by authoritarians.
The lack of empathy for fellow human beings you have is astonishing and disgusting, but sadly all too common on the conservative side of the aisle these days.
Your level of indoctrination into the modern conservative media universe is incredibly sad and serves only to further divide America for the benefit of the uber-wealthy. You continuously repeat things that are proven to be false time-and-time again yet you still cling on to whatever propaganda outlets you're getting your lies from.
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Robin Anne Hannon
This is not God's vengeance, this is man's evil, his arrogance, and cruelty. God has given us all free will, and sadly this is what America has decided to do with it. We reap what we sow. In terms of being God's avengers, Jesus spoke of love, healing, and remittance of sin through belief in him. How would attacking people, destroying our constitution, sending troops in to every blue state, kidnapping people and disappearing them align with this love? In throwing all these people out has anyone noticed the damage to the economy? Farmers had to leave things rotting in the field because there was no one to work. Construction came to a halt with many unfinished residential and business places half done. Do NOT cherry pick the bible to make it look like it's Godly. Even the devil can quote scripture (usually out of context) for his purposes.
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Merle A Clark
Jesus also said obey the law
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If the gospel means anything, it means standing with the immigrant. Jesus was a refugee. Israel’s story begins with exile. Paul told us we’re all strangers and pilgrims here. When clergy bless ICE vans instead of broken families, they aren’t protecting the faith they’re betraying it.
The Church has a choice: sanctuary or stronghold. History won’t be fooled, and neither will God. To be pro-immigrant isn’t to be political, it’s to be faithful. Anything less is just Caesar in a clerical collar.
Darrell McClain