A pastor yelling at serpent mound
Things got heated at the Serpent Mound.

A group of Christian activists sparked controversy when they travelled to a sacred Native American site and held a ceremony to cast away “dark energy” they claimed was present. The incident led to a showdown between the Christians and Native Americans who attempted to interrupt the ceremony. 

The Christian group, led by Dave Daubenmire of Pass the Salt Ministries, arrived at the Great Serpent Mound in Southern Ohio on the winter solstice. It is the largest effigy mound in the world, a National Historic Landmark as designated by the Department of the Interior. The site is thought to be at least 1,000 years old, and is home to numerous ancient burial grounds. 

When Native American activists met the unwelcome visitors in the parking lot, things got heated. 

Dark Energy?

“Serpent Mound is an internationally known National Historic Landmark built by the ancient American Indian cultures of Ohio and is on the U.S. Tentative List for possible World Heritage inscription by UNESCO,” according to Ohiohistory.org.

The effigy mound – shaped like a serpent – is flanked by burial mounds from both the Fort Ancient and Adena cultures. It is a site many in the Ohio Native American community hold sacred, although visitors from all faiths and cultures visit each year.

That willingness to share their culture with all might have bitten the Ohio Native American community in the butt, so to speak. On December 20th, Christian minister Dave Daubenmire led a group of mostly maskless Christian activists to the site, to pray away the dark “Satanic” energy he believes is coming from the Serpent Mound.

As the group began their prayer to rid this site of "dark energy," they were confronted by Philip Yenyo, executive director of the American Indian Movement of Ohio, and other tribal members. 

“You have no right and no business doing this on this sacred site where our ancestors are buried. It’s our birthright.”

But the unwelcome visitors didn't give up without a fight – literally. The incident soon turned into a shoving and shouting match. “This land will be taken in the name of Jesus,” one of the Christians yelled. 

Thankfully, the altercation didn't turn violent. 

Disrespecting a Sacred Site

The group of Christians ultimately did pray at the mound, with at least one member attempting to climb atop the mound itself. However, their prayers were met with chants from the Native Americans who objected to their presence. The Cincinnati Enquirer interviewed both Yenyo and Daubenmire last week.

Yenyo said what Daubenmire and the other Christians did was just blatantly disrespectful. “It would be like me going into a church and doing my ceremonies in [their] church,” he said. "It's a sacred site for us, but other people with other faith beliefs think they have the right to go there and do their ceremonies. In our opinion, they don't."

But Daubenmire believes that he was apparently doing the world a public service. “There's a series of mounds like this all across the midwest. We believe that these are, for lack of a better term, we believe these are dark places… We went there to pray over this area. We believe the dark side holds ceremonies on these days."

With basically the whole altercation recorded by both sides, there is no shortage of video evidence to examine.

What do you think? Do Christians have the right to enter a native site and perform ceremonies? Or did the group overstep its bounds?


  1. Master Wolf KSC's Avatar Master Wolf KSC

    When in Rome, do as the Romans do. It is rude, graceless, and unfriendly to go to someone else’s sacred side and not follow their tradition. It would be one thing if the group of Christians had gone to the site, stood on the path and silently prayed. Climbing up the mound is a lot like climbing on top of a sepulcher in a Christian cemetery and chanting to some other god. Even better manners would be to ask the Native Americans present how to pray. That might be very difficult for these Christians who think that theirs is the only way, and everyone else is just wrong.

    1. Dave J's Avatar Dave J

      I was going to add a comment, but this says it succinctly and without rancor. Something I am not sure I could manage. Well done, Master Wolf.

    2. Devon W MacDuff's Avatar Devon W MacDuff

      So right on that I had to comment on your post. Thanks for posting.

  1. CB Cuff's Avatar CB Cuff

    Although ownership of the land via deed/title, which is of course relevant, government 'owned' land belong to all the people of that country. Just like I can't stop someone fishing in the ocean just because they're fishing in my favourite spot. Sacred sites are another story, and that land should be respected. If that site was shaped like a kangaroo would those crazy people be out there trying to exorcise it out?? The delusion of evil existing there, by the christians speaks for itself. That some of them became physical to support that delusion was disturbing.... the sense of entitlement to do what they damn well wanted reflects the hypocrisy many christians exude throughout their beliefs and proselytising.

  1. Philip Joseph Ryan's Avatar Philip Joseph Ryan

    They're not Christians, they are angry, uneducated, irreligious bigots who use Christianity as an excuse to be obnoxious to those who have a differing belief system. Their Intolerance and egregious actions are anathema to true Christians, who will be tired of redneck Christians bringing their faith into disrepute. I suspect that they only target those who eschew violence, they wouldn't dare try pulling this stunt in a mosque, because they'd be running for their lives.

    1. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

      "True Christians" have a long history of disrespecting Native American traditions and beliefs, including kidnapping their children and "educating" them in Christian "schools." "True Christians" tried to eradicate their languages, outlawed their religious ceremonies, and actually killed Native Americans. This is yet another example of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. The behavior of Daubenmire and his cult are completely consistent with historical Christian behavior -- except there were no deaths!

  1. Pastor~HP~Sister Beth's Avatar Pastor~HP~Sister Beth

    I am so sad these mounds were disrespected in this manner. You don’t have to share someone else’s faith, but you should at the very least respect them. I have Native American heritage. I am also a Christian. If this was done in a respectful manner - i.e. QUIETLY, it would have been fine. But to say, simply because you don’t understand these Tribes beliefs, that they are Satanic... that’s not only absurd, but makes this particular Church look ignorant and uneducated. It breaks my heart. The Tribal Community there had every right to defend their sacred site.

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


  1. Minister Ivette 's Avatar Minister Ivette

    Unbelievable! I'm sure if anyone went to their church to pray away "negativity" all hell would break loose. Again, some people calling themselves Christians imposing their beliefs and disrespecting others.

    1. CB Cuff's Avatar CB Cuff

      Similar but different is christian - only prayer in government and schools. I'm at a loss why councilors etc. find a need to pray before having a political meeting. Do your praying before you join the meeting, keep the biases out in the hallway. I call a conflict of interest in those cases.

    2. Paul J. Fumero's Avatar Paul J. Fumero

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  1. Minister Mike's Avatar Minister Mike

    Lordy, the entertainment value of religious zealots of any color, size, or shape is astronomical!

  1. Mya-Lia Sharizyn's Avatar Mya-Lia Sharizyn

    First of all, I believe that the darkness should NEVER be referred to as evil. Darkness is where we are conceived, it is the center of our eyes without which we wouldn't have sight. It is where we sleep to restore and replenish ourselves. Without respect for any of these three things, we would be without either life, sight, or health. Evil should be called evil and that's that.

    Secondly, snakes, like trees, connect the Earth to heaven. Do your research to know the reason why if you are curious. They are also in the medical symbol for healing. Google it. They represent the kundalini energy within us. Check that out too.

    And third, praying on the sides of the site, in my opinion, is just as wrong as walking upon it since the spirit aspect is intentionally intervening just as the physical aspect is.

    As one who dedicated my spirit and my body to an ancient site for several years (18 to be exact) in hopes of its restoration, my hopes were manifested. The spiritual beings residing there were well known to me, and every form of degradation to the area was not welcome just as no person would welcome a stranger entering their property and doing whatever they pleased because they thought their way was the right way. Do even those you invite into your home serve themselves to redecorating it and destroying what they dislike? Seriously, these children should grow up and mind their own business or go directly to jail.

    1. Mya-Lia Sharizyn's Avatar Mya-Lia Sharizyn

      Regarding references to light being all good, light blinds, dehydrates, and burns. Rainwater comes from dark clouds and there is no light in the depths of the ocean's waters or in the ground from which springs rise. Calling the darkness evil is, in my opinion and I strongly believe, this is the cause of so many problems in this world today. The light, after all, is not in opposition to darkness but in harmony with it.

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      It's also good, for people my àge and older, to have sex in the dark.

  1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

    If any Christian attempts to pray away any negative energy at any sacred sites I know of, things won't be peaceful. I'm a Norse pagan and I'm very comfortable with violence...

    1. Philip Joseph Ryan's Avatar Philip Joseph Ryan

      Well, you're not really a Norse pagan, now are you? You're an American, and the Norse only settled in neighbouring countries, such as the UK.

      1. Steven Michael Hackett's Avatar Steven Michael Hackett

        Not true, the Norse were in North America long before Columbus. They were all over the north-eastern coast, and it's one of the reasons Minnesota has a football team called the Vikings. (Among other evidence, of course)

        1. Philip Joseph Ryan's Avatar Philip Joseph Ryan

          Please provide documented proof that the Norse settled the Americas. Even if there were one small settlement, it would stretch credulity to claim ancestry. For some unfathomable reason, some Americans like to claim they are different because of x, y, or z, when the reality is that they are just American, and that's the heritage that they are stuck with.

          1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

            A second attempt at settlement was made by Leif’s half-sister Freydis who, according to Erik the Red’s Saga, had already been to Vinland as part of Karlsefni’s expedition. She had played her part in repelling the Skræling attack, terrifying them by baring one of her breasts and beating it with a sword. Freydis was an abrasive woman, unsuited to leader ship, and her attempt at settlement ended when half the party were killed in a deadly internecine feud. Only one further voyage to Vinland is recorded. In 1121 Erik Gnupsson, the bishop of Greenland, set out for Vinland but the fate of his expedition is not known.

            What proved beyond doubt that this was a Norse settlement was the large number of metal artefacts discovered at the site, including wrought iron ship rivets and a typically Scandinavian bronze ring pin. Stone loom weights and a spindle whorl provided evidence for weaving at the site. As this was a female activity in Viking Scandinavia, this confirmed the saga accounts of women taking part in the Norse voyages of exploration. Radiocarbon dates from organic matter at the site show that it was occupied briefly, between 980 and 1020, which accords well with the saga traditions.

            The environment around L’Anse aux Meadows bears little resemblance to the saga descriptions of Vinland. Winters there are severe and there are no wild grapes so it is unlikely to be Leifsbuðir. It is more likely that L’Anse aux Meadows was a base for expeditions further south. That such expeditions took place is proved by the presence of butternuts among food remains on the site. An American species of walnut, butternuts grow no further north than New Brunswick, 500 miles to the south

            So, if Vinland was not at L’Anse aux Meadows, where was it? Helluland and Markland can fairly certainly be identified as Baffin Island and Labrador respectively but the saga descriptions of Vinland contain mutually incompatible details. The salmon described in Leif’s account place Vinland north of the Hudson river and the grapes place it south of the St Lawrence. That would be somewhere in the Canadian Maritimes or New England, but there are no frost-free winters north of Chesapeake Bay.

            The length of the shortest day is no help in determining Vinland’s latitude because it is not based on clock times – the Vikings did not have clocks – so, unless there are new archaeological discoveries, we’ll probably never know the location of Vinland.

            The Norse attempt to settle Vinland was fleeting – it was all over in about 20 years and probably involved fewer than 200 people. It was doomed to failure. The distances were too great, the small Greenland colony did not have the population to support a colonizing venture and their iron weapons did not give the Norse a decisive advantage over the far more numerous natives.

            Yet this was not the end of the Norse presence in North America. The Greenland colony survived until the mid-15th century when the impact of the Little Ice Age killed it off. The Greenlanders continued to sail to Markland to cut wood until at least as late as 1347 and they travelled high into the Arctic, hunting polar bears, seals and walrus. There, around 1170, they met with the Thule Inuit, and these contacts continued until the end of the colony. Norse artefacts have been found on many Thule sites in the Canadian Arctic and a probable Norse hunting camp has recently been identified at Tanfield Valley on Baffin Island.

            Judged objectively, the impact of the Norse discovery of America was slight. News of the Norse discoveries soon reached Europe but it did not change Europeans’ world view in the way that Columbus’s later discovery did: no one suspected that Vinland was part of a new continent. There is no evidence that Columbus knew about Vinland when he set out on his fateful voyage in 1492. As far as Native Americans were concerned, the Norse voyages might as well never have happened – they had no influence whatsoever on North America’s cultural development.

            Despite this, Thorvald Eriksson’s fatal encounter with the Skrælings does mark a significant moment in world history: it was the end of humanity’s 70,000-year journey out of Africa. The descendents of peoples who had left Africa and migrated east through Asia to the Americas had finally met the descendents of people who had left Africa and migrated west. The circle of the world was finally closed.

          2. Steven Michael Hackett's Avatar Steven Michael Hackett

            Straying a bit from the OP, but just a quick Google search throws up the following articles: http://www.heeve.com/middle-ages-history/norse-discovery-of-america.html#:~:text=The%20evidence%20of%20an%20earlier%20Norse%20discovery%20of,AD%20990%20%2B%2F-%2030.%20Saga%20of%20the%20Greenlanders




            Also, to say someone is "just American" is a bit of a misnomer as well, considering the extreme melting pot that makes someone "American". We have Asian-American, African-Americans, Native Americans, Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans, etc., and every variety in between because of the amount of people who left their native countries for one reason or another to settle in the New World. We have families that were European just a handful of generations ago who fled Europe to escape the Nazis during WW II.

            To try and redirect this back to the original topic, the Ohio Native Americans are the ones who can claim they are "just American". :)

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    Can someone tell me what dark energy is? I understand the science about black holes, but dark energy? Was it dark energy that the mythical god of the Old Testament was possessed with when he killed those little children? Just asking.


    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Maybe that dark energy is something that fool saw during a hallucination, which could mean it's time for a trip to the psyche ward, and a medication change. I think the false assumption of dark or black being something bad was started by prejudiced people, of European descent. Of course, us Wiccans (and former Wiccans) know that the color black, such as in candle magick, is used for clearing the air of negativity. Magick can be used for good or bad purposes, and that does not make it associated with a color, of lighter or darker hue, as a lot of people who are ignorant on the subject mistakenly believe, such as in thinking there is white and black magic, sometimes associating the latter with Satanism. And Satanism, as I understand it, doesn't have anything to do with anything dark, or even serpents, which was only once mentioned in a fable, in the book of Genesis, which was more than enough to be totally misconstrued by the ignorant masses.

      1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Whatever Magick really is, if it exists at all, it would be nice if there was some peer review scientific research to demonstrably prove the existence of such phenomena. If it was ever proved to be real, wouldn’t it be nice if hospitals could use it to help cure people of sickness and illness. Until then, it just exists in the heads of those that would like to imagine it’s real. This mythical philosophy has existed by mankind ever since homo-erectus developed the capacity to think and create illogical fallacies.


        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          And who can prove that many people who have been cured of illnesses weren't cured by magick? Just saying.

          1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

            Faith and belief isn't necessarily provable or even rational. Iether you have it, or you don't, which is niether good or bad, but I'm glad I believe in what I believe in, and have faith in the magick I experience, and don't care what anyone thinks about it, so I have nothing of which I ever care to convince of. And I hope you, Sir Lionheart, are never convinced of the contrary of your beliefs, or lack thereof. I will never seek to prove you wrong, my good man.

            1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

              Have a wonderful, and happy new year Carl. Our goal is to make it through this year and get to 2022. Woohoo!!!


  1. Paul J. Fumero's Avatar Paul J. Fumero

    These stupid people think they have God by the Beard! Seems like the only dark energy was what they brought within themselves. They need to respect other's belief systems. Besides, American Christianity will be gone in about 100 years time and good riddance since they do not follow Jesus Teachings of Love God and Treat others well. All paths lead back to God. Its just that some take longer than others.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      First of all, what is a god? Second, how do you know it’s real and exists?

      As for the Jesus guy.

      Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

      Luke 19:27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

      Matthew 10:35-37 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

      If he ever existed he had one HUGE ego issue. He’s not the sort of person I would ever want to follow, he’s too full of himself.


    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      I'm hoping it's going to be a lot less than a hundred years for the world to be rid of chrstianity, Paul. I bet we can rid the world of it in less than thirty years. I'll keep doing my part, but we all must pitch in. I bet crucifying christian leaders would help immensely.

    3. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      Maybe black energy is produced by drinking black coffee (especially espresso).

  1. tuppennyblue's Avatar tuppennyblue

    The majority of Christians are just decent people who want to praise and worship in their own way. There's a lunatic fringe in every religion; sometimes caused by taking it to its logical extreme, and sometimes by straightforward misunderstanding either of their own, or someone else's religion. Please don't think these people are representative of Christians as a whole. Palestine in the first century AD would have been a hotbed of differing religious beliefs: as well as Judaism, there would have been countless sects imported by the Romans, including cults of Mithras, Isis and Harpocrates, and not to mention beliefs spilling over from nearby Mesopotamia. I don't recall any stories in the New Testament where Jesus got into conflict with anyone because their religious understanding differed from his.

    1. Mya-Lia Sharizyn's Avatar Mya-Lia Sharizyn

      Excellent information! And I agree, these people who are part of the Christian belief system are not out to convert everybody and attempt to save the world by changing it through encouraging everybody else to believe what they believe. I'd anybody is going to save the world, it's going to be the environmentalists.

  1. Rev. Howard Slayton's Avatar Rev. Howard Slayton

    No, we should not go to sacred Indian burial mounds and hold Christian prayer services. Those Christians suck in a big way! When in Rome dude! Seriously.

  1. tuppennyblue's Avatar tuppennyblue

    To learn more about Serpent Mound, read Graham Hancock's latest book "America Before", where he demonstrates the astronomical alignments of the monument, and suggests that it is much older than is usually believed.

  1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

    The Norse colonization of North America began in the late 10th century CE when Norsemen explored and settled area of the North Atlantic including the northeastern fringes of North America. Remains of Norse buildings were found at L'Anse aux Meadows near the northern tip of Newfoundland in 1960 They landed 500 years before Christopher Columbus even set sail.

    .The first encounter between Europeans and Native Americans did not go well for either side. Around AD 1000, Leif Eriksson had sailed west from the newly established Norse colony in Greenland and discovered a fair land he named Vinland. Now, three years later, his brother Thorvald was in the second summer of a follow-up expedition. Thorvald and his men were exploring a headland at the mouth of a fjord when they spotted three humps on a sandy beach. On further investigation, the humps turned out to be canoes and under them were cowering nine men. The Norsemen captured and killed eight of them but the ninth escaped and raised the alarm.

    Later the same day, Thorvald and his men saw a swarm of canoes sailing down the fjord towards them. Outnumbered, they took refuge in their ship and, with the advantage of iron weapons, beat off the attack. However, during the fight Thorvald received an arrow wound in the armpit and died shortly afterwards. At his request, Thorvald’s men gave him a Christian burial on the headland, marking his grave with crosses at his head and feet. Leif had been the first European to set foot on the American continent; Thorvald was the first to be buried there.

    Leif had been the first European to set foot on the American continent; Thorvald was the first to be buried there Because of the subsequent history of the Americas, the Norse discovery of America has become one of the most studied aspects of the Viking Age (c800–1100), a period that saw Scandinavian raiders, traders and settlers active across much of Europe and as far south as north Africa’s Mediterranean coast and as far east as Baghdad. Collectively, Viking Age Scandinavians knew more of the world than any previous Europeans. As the only proven pre-Columbian European contact with the Americas, the fascination with the Norse discoveries is understandable. But do they really merit all the attention?

    The Norse route to America is sometimes described as ‘the stepping stone route’ because it proceeded in stages, from one island group to another with relatively short open-sea crossings between them.

  1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

    A brief history of the Vikings Global Vikings: how the impact of the raiders and traders went far beyond Britain The first step on the way came – 200 years before Leif’s discovery of Vinland – with the conquest and of Scotland’s Northern Isles soon after 800. This was followed about 25 years later by the settlement of the Faroe Islands and then Iceland in c870. The next step was the foundation of the Norse Greenland colony by Erik the Red in the 980s. As Greenland is geologically part of the North American continent, this ought to be regarded as the first European settlement in the Americas, though it is rarely recognized as such.

    The first sighting The settlement of Greenland was quickly followed by the first European sighting of the North American continental mainland, a feat achieved by an Icelandic merchant called Bjarni Herjolfsson.

    According to the Greenlanders’ Saga – which, with Erik the Red’s Saga, is our main literary source for the Viking discovery of America – Bjarni had returned home from a trip to Norway in 986 to find that his father had emigrated to Greenland with Erik the Red. Knowing nothing about Greenland, save that it was mountainous, treeless and had good pastures, Bjarni set off after his father and predictably soon got lost.

    After several days of bad weather and poor visibility, Bjarni found himself off the coast of a densely forested, hilly land. This was obviously not Greenland so, without even landing, Bjarni sailed north and after two days sighted a flat, forested land. Once again he didn’t land. After sailing north-east for another three days, Bjarni encountered a rocky, mountainous, glaciated land which he thought too barren to be Greenland. Putting the land astern, Bjarni sailed east and four days later arrived at the Norse settlement in Greenland.

    Bjarni’s discoveries excited a lot of interest and, when he decided to give up trading, Erik the Red’s son Leif Eriksson bought his ship and set off on a follow-up expedition. This was around the time that Iceland converted to Christianity, that is c1000. Leif began by reversing Bjarni’s course. Sailing north-west, Leif came to a land of bare rock and glaciers which he called Helluland (‘Slab Land’). Turning south, Leif next came to a low forested land with white sand beaches which he decided to call Markland (‘Forest Land’).

    Sailing south-west for two days Leif discovered a land where the rivers teemed with salmon and grapes grew wild. This Leif called Vinland (‘Wine Land’). The party built houses at a place afterwards called Leifsbuðir (‘Leif’s booths’), where they spent a comfortable winter. “The country seemed to them so kind that no winter fodder would be needed for livestock: there was never any frost all winter and the grass hardly withered at all.”

    The winter days were much longer than they were in Greenland and “on the shortest day of the year, the sun was visible in the middle of the afternoon as well as at breakfast time”. Come the spring, Leif and his men cut a full load of timber – wood was always in short supply in Greenland – and set off home.

    Leif made no contact with native peoples, that fatal first encounter took place during his brother Thorvald’s follow-up expedition. Thorvald’s death at the hands of Native Americans was not enough to deter at least two attempts by the Norse to settle in Vinland. The first, about two years after Thorvald’s death, was led by Thorfinn Karlsefni, an Icelandic merchant, who took with him his wife Gudrid, 65 men, five women, and a variety of livestock.

    The party spent an uneventful winter at Leifsbuðir, during which time Gudrid gave birth to a son, Snorri, the first European to be born in America. In the spring, the party had its first encounter with Native Americans, who turned up at Leifsbuðir to trade furs. The Norse called them ‘Skrælings’, perhaps meaning ‘screamers’. Coming from a Stone Age culture, the Skrælings were fascinated by the Norsemen’s iron weapons and tools but Karlsefni forbade his men to trade them.

    Gudrid gave birth to a son, Snorri, the first European to be born in America During a second encounter later in the summer, one of Karlesefni’s men killed a Skræling who was trying to steal some weapons. The Norse defeated an attempt by the Skrælings to take revenge but after spending another winter at Leifsbuðir, Karlsefni returned to Greenland.

  1. Jeremey Joe Ellis's Avatar Jeremey Joe Ellis

    They should have never gone there. That is sacred ground and the thought of evil being there to me sounds preposterous. We as Christians are better than this. Disrespecting another culture is not the church. This video only makes them look like uneducated thugs. The Ohio Tribal director had every right to throw these people out.

    1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

      Um sorry but no. That is NOT tribal land and never was so he had no authority to do anything

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


  1. Yanel Jay Laroche Jr.'s Avatar Yanel Jay Laroche Jr.

    Oh children of Adam and Eve,the Holy Bible called the law is made for sinners. And not for righteous ones says I,Archbishop Yanel Jay Laroche Jr.,so holy. I am a Catholic minister ordained through Universal Life Church.

    1 Timothy 1:8-11 New International Version 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

    NOTES 1 Timothy 1:12-15 New International Version The Lord’s Grace to Paul 12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.

    15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.

  1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

    yet again click bait. It is not a "sacred site" and its NOT listed on UNESCO's site...its listed in the Ohio Historical Society as a STATE PARK and thats it. Too bad you didnt bother to actually ASK the Ohio Historical Society BEFORE you started this idiotic and error filled thread.

    1. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

      Who are you to declare that this is not a sacred site? The fact that many ancestors are buried there makes the site "sacred" to the Native American tribes. The article does not say the site is listed on UNESCO's site; it says it is "on the U.S. Tentative List for possible World Heritage inscription by UNESCO."

      1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

        Try the State of Ohio who ruled it wasnt child. And you do know what TENTATIVE means right? And sorry again this CANNOT be placed on any list or world heritage site UNLESS it is requested to be done so BY the State or country it is located in. And this has never been done according to the US Library of Congress. And there are NO Native American graves there as Native Americans used SKY GRAVES which means that they placed the bodies on a platform and allowed nature to take its course. It is also NOT on any tribal land nor near any reservation. Even the Ohio History Connection and the State of Ohio confirms this so your claim of graves being buried there is a myth. The closest you can come to for a grave site (if you want to call it that) is the so called Adena burial mounds and they died out in 1 BC over 2000 years ago and the closest "burial mound" to the Snake one is well over 22 miles away a three day march for the Adena people

        So you can complain all you want. The fact remains the same...the whole story is a click bait and you fell for it.

        1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

          You must want to be everyone's mother, Danielle, considering the way you keep calling them child, my boy.

          1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

            How typical. When you are shown the facts Carl the best you can do is a 3rd grader whine to try and use it for an insult. Now lets see Carl, exactly WHAT authority you seem to think you have to call the Ohio History Connection and the Ohio Historical Society as well, wrong because YOU say so?

            Oh and even UNESCO is calling you a liar as here it is directly from their website And Scientific America as well

            "In order to be deemed a World Heritage site, the location must be of Outstanding Universal Value, demonstrating international significance; it must “transcend national boundaries and be of common importance for present and future generations of all humanity” (Operational Guidelines 2012).Jun 10, 2013. Now I can see the Grand Canyon being named this or Glacier National Park or even the Redwood National Forest, but the Serpent Mound? Not even in the close. The Temple of Kukulcán in Mexico stands a better chance of being named a UNESCO site and it isnt nor has it been.

            Go play with your playdough child, thats about all you are good for.

            1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

              You certainly àre defensive, child. You'll find better ways of dealing with constructive criticism after you grow up, my boy.

              1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                So stating fact and proving you ignorant and wrong is defensive according to you?. Typical response from you when you have been destroyed and have nothing left to say or a leg to stand on

    2. Ernest Clarence Mason Jr's Avatar Ernest Clarence Mason Jr

      Curious. So no site can be considered sacred until it has been confirmed and blessed by some government agency?

      1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

        Not saying that, just saying that everything John Condron said was utter bull. The facts show he does not know what he is talking about. And if we allowed every site that someone claimed was "sacred" to be put off guard, then you would still be living in caves and eating raw animals.

  1. Thom's Avatar Thom

    The President of the United States has ignited the religious wars from centuries ago filled with hatred and prejudice of individuals who practice other theologies. It is time that Christians realize The world is not just a Christian environment. We have a multitude of theologies and each works for the population it serves. These multitudes of theologies serve the same purpose of teaching peace and generosity to others. To instill that in each other and our offspring. To take care of all who are of less fortunate than others. These are the teachings of great theologians. Wise teachers of peace and harmony. Believers of the chi and powers of positive energy and what we can do as individuals with our own minds. We can like Jesus Christ stated, who studied with all of the great theologians on his travels not discussed in the Christian teachings, that we like him are capable of all the same things he also did. We are healers, we are providers of great miracles, we are Angels if we so choose to use our energy the way he and others he learned from also did. It is time that we respect each other and all our teachings from every theology and come together to form a great Global Nation! Unity is the Key! Fanaticism and negative theologies must be taught out of our nations.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      So far, nobody in the Trump family has lived to be very old. Don't expect Donald fuc-wad Trumpelstiltskin to live very many more years. He probably won't even make it to the next presidential election. And it takes atleast a few hundred years after death to be recognized as a saint, so don't get your hopes up to the contrary. It's the same old song: "All we are is dust in the wind".

  1. James M Slack's Avatar James M Slack

    I believe that these Pass the Salt Ministries were totally in the wrong. I don’t believe anyone would like Native American People going into their cemetery’s and preforming their ceremonies. It would be disrespectful and I don’t believe they would stoop that low. I hope this doesn’t ever happen again. Indian burial grounds are very sacred and should be left tvst way and not disturbed by thoughtless people

    1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

      Really? The Native Americans have done it before. IN fact the last Pow-Wow I went to in Ohio was done on a field....which was well known that there was a Christian Graveyard there. And not one of the people around the area said "boo" about it and allowed them to do their "rites".

      You really should know what you are talking about BEFORE you start talking as I bet you can find the same thing happening in other states as well

  1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

    Manifest Destiny continues to this day. Where dependents of white European Christians still believe God gave this land to steal from the Native people and exterminate them.

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


  1. Amy Minckler's Avatar Amy Minckler

    How in the world could someone say they were part of the "pass the salt" ministires with a straight face? It sounds like a group of foodies at best and a group of wannabe cannibiles at the worst.

    1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      The way Daubenmire's mouth was open in the above picture I assumed they were cocksuckers. Was he also down on his knees, waiting for that serpent to slither down his throat, and inject him with pudding from Jesus. You can't have your pudding before you eat your meat!

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      What's salt without pepper? Why don't they pass both? And, what do they put it on, serpents? That sounds kind of kinky. Wouldn't it be better to use flavored sex oils?

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    Happy New Year!!! Regardless of our vast differences in religious and spiritual beliefs, before the end of this 1st day of January, make sure you eat some black eyed peas and cabbage (I'll be adding a lot of bacon to mine), for good luck in the coming year (which will atleast have a folk magic effect).

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    Judging by the look of Daubendoo-doo in that picture, I bet he thought he could scare away the Native Americans with his awful breath.

  1. Amber Pangborn's Avatar Amber Pangborn

    I think both sides could have been more diplomatic and just had thanksgiving together (just kiddfing). Fighting would be the lastg thing either Jesus or Father or Mother Earth would have wanted. Religion and Faith are supposed to be about love and forgiveness and history has shown this in all cultures and their differn't ways of practicing in each one. I don't think anyone owns any land. It belongs to everyone and if people are doing something positive than why try to stop them except to try to have a cause to fight. I believe in Native American tradition and I believe in Christianity....I believe all religions are true and its just time to forgive and love and quit trying to fight for something that Mother Earth is probably needing and that is healing. I don't see Native Americans going to Church and doing a sweat bur they were living off the land and prefer simple and natural compared to expensive buildings with statues and tons of money and government poured into it. However both pray so be humble chant pray celebrate together instead of getting angry and defensive. This could have been a beautiful thing if people had remained humble.

  1. Brien's Avatar Brien

    This seems to be more about the age old "freedom of and freedom from religion" than anything else. I try to break it down this way. You have your personal rights as described in the constitution. However, your rights may not be used to curtail someone else's rights. Now, if you are on public shared land, person A has every right to pray as they wish, as does person B. If this were private land, say on a reservation, then the story would be different. But as public land, open to the public, it is open to all cultures and beliefs. While I truly feel for the inians that are offended by this activity, there is simply nothing illegal about it. Peace.

  1. Brien's Avatar Brien

    This seems to be more about the age old "freedom of and freedom from religion" than anything else. I try to break it down this way. You have your personal rights as described in the constitution. However, your rights may not be used to curtail someone else's rights. Now, if you are on public shared land, person A has every right to pray as they wish, as does person B. If this were private land, say on a reservation, then the story would be different. But as public land, open to the public, it is open to all cultures and beliefs. While I truly feel for the inians that are offended by this activity, there is simply nothing illegal about it. Peace.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    His legal rights won't matter when he finds his head head on top of a totem pole.

    1. Brien's Avatar Brien

      ROFLMAO......you made me choke on my ☕. 🤣🤣🤣

  1. Waya's Avatar Waya

    Native Americans fought for their religious freedom for 400 years. I've watched these rights be trampled on by people like this myself. They have no rights to our ceremonies or our land since the 1978 American Indian Religious Freedom Act. Dave is disrespectful.

  1. Nikki Tate- Coates's Avatar Nikki Tate- Coates

    I am very upset by what these Christians did. That sight was built by a culture that was ancient when their Lord walked the earth. It is like I said in my last comment. Every religion & the beliefs & teachings of every religion should be respected. Those Christian activists were trampling in another religion & culture's beliefs & sacred space. What they did against those Native Americans is textbook blasphemy! My son's father is Blackfoot & although I'm of Egyptian decent, I feel a spiritual connection to the Native American culture & enjoy attending powwows. I'm so upset about this situation that I am going to need to cool down. What's next, the Baptists going to Egypt & dousing the Pyramids with holy water to get rid of "dark energy"! When will this stop?!!

  1. Shannon Long's Avatar Shannon Long

    This act of exorcism was a blatant disregard for the Spirituality of Native Americans

  1. Ben Winters's Avatar Ben Winters

    Why would a Christian Minister under his own idea that dark energy would exist on Native ground, literally a graveyard, take it upon himself to hold a meeting to excise something. It would be the same if a group of Native Americans decided to go to a graveyard in any town or city and decide to do a ceremony of their own to excise evil. What kind of a Christian would hold judgement on a place or a person and take it upon themselves to publicly claim evil exists without any kind of evidence to the fact? It was a blatant disrespect to the community and the Native Americans who hold the place to be sacred.

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