Texas may soon become the first state to make Bible readings mandatory in public school classrooms.
The Texas Department of Education has signaled early support for a bill that would do just that. The bill would mandate certain texts be read at each grade level, starting with kindergarten and continuing through high school. But mixed in among perennial American classics like ‘The Great Gatsby’ and ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ are Bible verses - verses which, if approved by the education board, would become mandatory reading for public and charter school students in what would be a nationwide first.
Should the bill pass, Texas would radically reshape education for millions of kids - and not everyone is excited about the notion of bringing Sunday school to public school.
From Gatsby to Genesis
The biblical tale of the ‘Golden Rule’ would join ‘Goldilocks’ and ‘The Cat in the Hat’ as mandatory reading for kindergarten students. High schoolers would read the story of David and Goliath alongside the works of George Orwell and Charles Dickens. Should the bill pass, every grade K-12 would receive an infusion of Christian faith. And unlike prior efforts to introduce religious texts into classrooms, participation would not be optional.
Some bill advocates cast Texas’ crusade to bring the Bible to classrooms as the state establishing a literary canon fit for the Lone Star state. “This is really building a scaffolding that culminates in a foundation in Western literature,” said Tom Maynard, who sits on the Board of Education. But others outright stated that the bill was religiously motivated. “This would bring the Word of God back into schools in a meaningful way for the first time in decades,” wrote Board member Brandon Hall on his Facebook page. “We need prayer warriors to intercede for this vote.”
“Classroom Chaos”
“This list represents another step by the state toward turning public schools into Sunday schools that undermine the right of parents to direct the religious education of their own children,” explained Carisa Lopez, deputy director of Texas Freedom Network.
Similar to last year’s Supreme Court ruling allowing religious parents to pull kids out of school during lessons featuring LGBTQ+ books, many observers expect that scores of parents would opt their children out of these Christianity-laden lessons. Even still, it seems likely that these faith-based lessons would be used to create Texas’ standardized tests, meaning students who skip the material could be placed at a significant educational disadvantage.
That’s not to mention the additional burdens that would be placed on districts and instructors to create alternative lessons for any students who do sit them out. It’s “only a matter of time before parents begin to opt their children out of these lessons” stated religious studies professor Mark Chancey. “It’s going to be classroom chaos.”
What Comes Next
The list of books is not finalized. Board members have asked for selections featuring more modern authors, and the current list is widely viewed as far too extensive to be fully mandated. As a result, the list is expected to expand before eventually being narrowed ahead of a final vote later this year.
But as things stand, public comments seem to indicate that the Texas Board of Education will pass the bill - despite the vast majority of public comment from both parents and teachers signaling strong opposition to the infusion of Christianity into education.
Those in favor argue that the proposed mandatory Bible readings are necessary for a well-rounded education both historical and cultural. They say that these stories transcend their religious origins, and are important cultural and historical artifacts regardless.
But critics argue that this represents the most direct challenge yet to the separation of church and state in public education. They warn that if Texas moves forward, it will open the door for other states to adopt similar measures, injecting mandatory Bible readings into lesson plans across the country.
What is your reaction?
82 comments
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Sally Jeanne Altobello
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Religion is a very personal journey and decision. To shove this White Christian Right philosophy down everyone's throat is the easiest way to turn people off to God. This is not evangelism; evangelism is SHOWING how Jesus wants us to live. There's a reason the right to choose how one demonstrates their faith was written by our forefathers.
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Martin S
Oh, yea...sure. They are more than welcome to pass mandatory Bible study in classrooms. I will support it whole heartedly...Just as soon as every single one of them actually adopt LIVING THEIR LIVES ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!!! If they want to push it, they need to be forced to live it!!! None of the "pick and choose" that todays Christians do either...all or none.
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Robert Edward Szekely
The Bible should be taught in public schools only as literature, to place its culture influence in perspective, much as Shakespeare's works are understood and have permeated the thought of the educated.
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Patricia Ann Gross
What can they possibly be thinking? Suppose that the English teacher is Muslim or Jewish. Do they really want that person assigning, lecturing, and quizzing the Sermon on the Mount or the Crucifixion? Bible reading and study should be ldft to Sunday School and Youth groups. That way you know the Bible is being taught in your own tradition. How would a Hindi or Muslim explain to a high school freshman the meaning of "poor in spirit" from the Beatitudes? I'm guessing not the same way a Southern Baptist or Catholic would.
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Joe R Day
This is so wrong on so many levels... I believe this 'Law' is absolutely Unconstitutional and as such, should be abolished. The Constitution is clear... "The First Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Education in school, religion in the home. That is how it should be. Mandated religious reading in public schools is obviously against the Foundational Mandate of 'Make no law respecting an establishment of religion'.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
Unconstitutional, and against what the Founding Fathers intended. Unfortunately, something being unconstitutional no longer matters to the SCOTUS or anyone in a position to legislate their own personal fantasy into being. I just hope that having unwilling teachers teach the Bible goes as well as I think it will.
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James Bullard
No. Mandatory bible study is a violation of the Constitution because it establishes Christianity as a state religion. ANy attempt to characterize it otherwise is semantic dishonesty.
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Billy Coley
Another conservative dog whistle law that will, end the end, accomplish nothing and waste taxpayer dollars.
Also just another attempt to instill 'christian' sharia law
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Shelley Fowler
Unless the Bible is part of an academic, overall study of all world religions, it should not be mandatory in public schools. My high school offered classes in Eastern and Western religions - but it was an elective class. We had speakers and visited various houses of worship. It widened my knowledge. If parents want a faith-based education for their children, send them to a private school. Rev. Shelley
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Walter Abington
No religious instruction in a public school. I told my son in the past if they tried to teach Sunday school, he can get up and walk out with my blessings.
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Rev. Kev
This plan opens up a can full of questions and problems. Like, will the Bible be taught in science classes, as well? "Teach the controversy" that only exists in the minds of some religious folks? Will the various teachers be tasked or feel the urge to add to the texts with preaching, or representing the texts in a way that only reflects the dogma of certain denominations?
Even Christian parents are likely to object to having people teach the Bible to their kids and risk being subjected to ideas heretical to their own faiths. Let alone any of the other non-Christian families.
This is why it is way better to leave the religious education to the family at home and the respective religious leaders in their place of worship. That's religious freedom.
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Rev. Kev
P.S. I went to a high school that had an optional Religious Studies class. It taught us about the various world religions from an academic standpoint. I learned about the the various beliefs scriptures of the major religions but there was no mandatory reading of the texts, themselves. It was very educational and opened my mind to other cultures and way of thinking. I'm cool with an academic course that covers many religions while treating none of them as some absolute "truth".
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
The Supreme Court already decided on all of these cases. Abington v. Schempp. "No state law or school board may require that passages from the Bible be read or that the Lord's Prayer be recited in the public schools of a state at the beginning of each school day, even if individual students may be excused from attending or participating in such exercises upon written request from their parents." Then you have Engel v. Vitale that state prayer was unconstitutional, "even if the prayer is denominationally neutral and even if students remain silent or be excused." The Texas Education Agency didn't just approve third-party materials, they created the Bluebonnet curriculum themselves, which is a direct state composition of religious content, which means it would be state-sponsored, which means it is unconstitutional. Seriously, Texas seems to be hell-bent, ironically, on violating the Constitution. They just don't care. We do not have an established religion. You cannot pay more attention to Christianity than you do any other religion. And the state cannot enforce any sort of religious text unless it's being taught in history, but not as history itself. Every single religious scripture out there is not a history book. It is a scripture or book from history, but it is in itself not a history book. It can be used in history classes for teaching religious history, but it cannot be used as a primary reading source for education unless other religions are being represented. History focuses on all history. We even have US history classes specifically for US history. But when it comes to religion, you either focus on all of them or none of them. You wanna bring the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, or any other religious texts in as reading material, then you need to focus on all of them. You can teach religious history without the Bible, without any religious texts, without touching any religious texts. But the Bible is unnecessary. We do not have an established religion, and we have the free practice clause, which allows us the freedom to or not to practice any religion we choose. Texas really needs to stop trying to act like it's independent from the Constitution, because it's not. I swear none of those legislators in Texas read the Constitution or paid any attention to the Supreme Court rulings regarding the Bible and any religious texts and prayer and anything like that. These people just don't care.
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John Robert Peters
So the plan is to make the US into a Theocratic Fascist State favoring Chridtian Nationalism. Joe is this better than the Iranian Muslim Theocracy w Sharia Law?
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Rickie Lee Sands
This is definitely against the separation of church and state. The only way it could work would be to include education on ALL religions. They would have to add another school year to do that. So, definitely think it a no-go to TEACH any religion in school
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Donald V. Dunham
As an ordained minister, my concern here is not whether the Bible has value, it unquestionably does. The question is whether the state is the proper vessel for something sacred.
Throughout history, faith has been most vibrant when it was chosen, wrestled with, and embraced freely, not when it was administered through institutional requirement.
Jesus invited. He did not compel.
Public schools serve families of many beliefs, and wisdom requires us to distinguish between education and formation of the soul. When government mandates engagement with scripture, we should at least pause and ask whether this protects the faith or unintentionally reduces it to academic material.
The Church exists for discipleship. Families exist for spiritual guidance. The state exists for civic order. These boundaries are not enemies of faith, they are often what preserve its authenticity.
Mature belief does not need coercion to endure. In fact, the Gospel has historically spread most powerfully without the machinery of the state behind it.
For that reason, raising careful questions about this proposal is not opposition to Christianity. It may, in fact, be an effort to safeguard what is holy from becoming procedural.
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Christine A. Moore
This country was founded on Christianity. The Bible is a book of history. I think it should be taught, not only teaching the history, but teaches morals, kindness, respect and discipline. Christianity was born out of Judaism and is not teaching one religion over another. If more people would read the Bible, they would understand.
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Rev. Kev
The U.S. wasn't founded on Christianity. You won't find a single mention of it in the Constitution. There are plenty of writings from the Founding Fathers (who were not all Christian or the same sort of Christian) that made it clear the U.S. was not a Christian nation and that there was a wall of separation between State and Religion.
The Bible may have some history in it, but it also has a lot of stories and characters in it that cannot be found in what scholars know of history. All that apart from the religious claims of the miraculous and God saying or doing this and that.
The Bible certainly does teach morals, but a modern person really needs to cherry pick from the scriptures to find the moral teachings accepted in our society. For examples, the Bible has no problems with things concubines, genocide, chattel slavery, SA, or treating women like property to name but a few. None of which Jesus seemed to have any issues with. In fact, the Bible says that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law that allows such things. He even said that those who did not follow the Law would be the least in the Kingdom.
Being born out of Judaism and all that.
Reading the entire Bible can be a real eye-opener. More people really should read it. All of it.
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Joseph Grieco
It's a direct violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Then again, Texas has never been known for abiding by the Constitution or any of the Amendments when they decide otherwise. Their intent is not "The Bible as Literature". Their intent is "The Bible as Indoctrination into Texas' Version of Christianity" Oklahoma was going to do the same thing before they were advised how many millions they would be expected to spend in defense of their position before losing. For Texas, all Greg Abbott has to do us cut back on the Barbed Wire order for the Rio Grande to afford the legal fees.
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Ronaldo
Offer a class on the Bible both as a known religious document and a history of several important times in Earth's past. Corollate it with other known historical documents. Do not make it mandatory, nor claim that it represents the only religion in the US. The US Constitution does not mention a separation of church and state, and our nation got along just fine without that clause being incorporated into our legal system until 1947. There are those who claim that religion and government must always be completely separate but to do that, people would either be permitted to attend church, or vote, but not both.
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
Everson v. Board of Education of the Township of Ewing back in 1947, ironically, it wasn't even really about education. It was about reimbursing parents for transportation to Catholic parochial schools and how it didn't violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment, that the state acts neutrally by providing transportation for all students regardless of religion and affirmed that the establishment clause applies to state laws via the Fourteenth Amendment. So it actually strengthens the wall of separation. What you said regarding 1947 really doesn't apply here, because Everson v. Board of Education isn't about education, it's about transportation reimbursement. And then you mention, "there are those who claim that religion and government must always be completely separate, but to do that, people would either be permitted to attend church or vote, but not both." And that's simply not true. It's also irrelevant because the Constitution doesn't stop people who are religious from voting because voting is a civic duty. That is a right granted by the Constitution. What can't happen is the state or the federal government cannot impose religion onto people in any way, shape, or form. The government is not your church, your synagogue, your mosque, or any other form of religious place of worship. It is a place of representation and governance, and the Founders made damn sure that that's how it stayed. Also, Thomas Jefferson's 1802 letter referencing a 'wall of separation,' as well as the treaty with Tripoli in 1797, disagree. The Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by the Senate in 1797, explicitly states, "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." This was just six years after the First Amendment was ratified, the Founders themselves affirmed this. Then there's also the fact that even offering a class on the Bible by the state is unconstitutional because it is state-sponsored, so it doesn't matter if it's being offered as a class. The state is still focusing on Christianity and the Bible, not other religions and holy scripture. Unless the state is offering a class that focuses on all religions and uses religious texts of all kinds, such as the Quran, Torah, Bhagavad Gita, and other religious texts, it cannot be offered because it wouldn't be considered neutral. Our government is neutral via the First Amendment, the very first sentence, and other references in the Constitution, as well as what the founders personally have said.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Nope, absolutely not. This is what happens when you give religious dingbats an inch and their deplorable math skills turn it into a mile.
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Rev Ned
Texicans (Rooster Cogburn’s word) could use a “Come to Jesus” moment.
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Merlin
Your rights end where mine begin. That is the foundation of a free society. The separation of church and state exists for this reason: religion, more than any other force in history, has been used to persecute, control, and divide humanity. Faith is a personal choice, not a governing authority. Government must stay out of religion—and religion must stay out of government—so that no one’s beliefs are imposed on another by force of law.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
It's all part of Project 2025. It's the Christians bring back segregation in public schools. Expect more of this.
Under Texas law Christians are suing a man for assisting a woman in obtaining an abortion.
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Sir Lionheart
OH NO!!!! Did she and he want to end the life that she was taking care of? How very naughty! 🤷
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Ari Joseph Bertine
In Texas abortions are legally banned unless they threaten the life of the mother. So yeah, she naughtily didn't want a fetus to kill her. Shocking.
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Sir Lionheart
I’m pretty sure everyone agrees that if the childbearing mother’s life is ever in danger, clinical decisions have to be made to preserve the life of the mother.
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Michael Hunt
Tell that to Tierra Walker who died after being denied access to an abortion. She's not the first woman to have died because of anti-abortion laws and she is not the last either, unfortunately, as much as the "pro-life" crowd might like to pretend.
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-abortion-ban-tierra-walker-preeclampsia
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Michael Hunt
There was no life to take care of since the baby (fetus) had not been born. It has zero autonomy and is wholly dependent on the mother's health for it's continued development. No woman should ever be forced to spend 9 physically demanding months if they do not wish to do so. Forcing women to carry every fertilized egg to term strips them of their medical freedom and bodily autonomy and relegates them to having less rights than the unborn fetus. I don't see how it makes sense for the potential for life to have more rights than a living woman.
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Reverend Paula Copp
Well, why not? This regime is destroying the Bill of Rights from the first letter to the last syllable! Why not destroy the founding principle of Separation of Church and State?
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Colleen McAllister
Teaching the Bible needs to be done by those who understand it. The place for that is on Sunday School, at church, or on a religious school. Public school is the wrong place to discuss such things.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, let’s not educate children to use critical thinking skills, otherwise they might want to choose another religion, or none at all. 🤷
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Joe R Day
Sir Lionheart, Is it your belief that the only way to "educate children to use critical thinking skills" is thru the KJV? I must disagree with that assessment. There are many other stories that espouse 'critical thinking' besides the KJV... "Education in school, Religion in the home." There, problem solved.
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Sir Lionheart
No, in my opinion, critical thinking, logic, and reason, should be taught with no preconceived ideologies. Children should be taught how to think, not what to think, and that includes within the topic of religion.
The problem with teaching religion in the home, is not “problem solved” in my opinion. All that does is indoctrinate children about the religion of their parents. That does not create an atmosphere of critical thinking for the child.
Thank you for your enquiry Sir Joseph.
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James Riggle-Johnson
We continue to see attempts to stretch the Constitution beyond its intended limits. Public schools exist to educate students from all backgrounds, not to promote a single religious text.
If religion is going to be taught, then it should be done academically and alongside other belief systems — or perhaps placed next to Greek mythology, where students can examine it as part of humanity’s long tradition of storytelling and cultural influence.
What makes proposals like this frustrating is the contradiction. We often hear appeals about ‘parents’ rights,’ yet those rights seem to apply only when parents share a particular religious viewpoint. Public schools serve families of all beliefs — Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, and everything in between. Elevating one religious text above all others is not neutrality; it is preference.
The Constitution was written precisely to prevent the government from deciding which beliefs deserve official endorsement. It seems likely that this will ultimately be decided in court.
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Keith Graham Ainsworth
Absolutely, if one philosophy is to be taught, so should others. Perhaps they could include Nitsche, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, and from the 20th century, Camus and Sartre.
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rebadams7
There is a huge difference between teaching the Bible as a religious text and teaching the Bible for its literary and cultural foundational contributions to western thought and civilization. Knowing the story and believing the story are two different things there is a great deal of thought and literature that make no sense if you do not understand the source or inspiring documents. Returning these ideas to the classroom can only enforce the teaching of western civilization. You can certainly show the other ideas and as a public school student, I was exposed to them, but I also learned the basic Bible stories and how those allegories were seen often in western literature and thoughts about governance and freedom. These foundational items belong in every well educated person’s education. One could question how well educated our public schools want our students to be.
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
If you're using the Bible, then you use other holy scripture, period. You cannot just use the Bible because that is not showing neutrality. The Bible is literature, but if you're only using the Bible and only teaching about biblical study due to Western thought and civilization, then you are focusing on Christianity, and that is a violation, because that is the state sponsoring that, and that can't happen. That is technically Bible study, what you are suggesting. That is mandatory Bible reading. It doesn't matter if you believe the story or you know the story, what matters is it's being taught solely by the state and it's state-sponsored. Let me also add this, just to ensure consistency and accuracy. Keep the Bible out of public schools, unless you are bringing in holy scripture from across the board. But, you see, that makes it complicated, which is why college and university offers theology courses, which is precisely where what you are suggesting belongs. That is where people have the choice, outside of church, outside of mosque, outside of synagogue, outside of any religious place of worship where they can go to learn the theology. That is by choice. They are not being forced in public education. They are not being forced by family. They are making the conscious choice to go and take a theology course.
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Nicholas J Page
As I have said before and I will say it again No religion is to forced onto any child or adult 🤔
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Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon
By the way last time I shot someone in Texas the judge ordered me "if you want someone shot mr. Dixon next time call the police and let them shot them." I paid $500 fine and that warning. So, the politicians are safe I want to shot them but I must ask the police to do it for me.
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Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon
As a minister for Yeshua the Messiah I'm apauled, it's not politicians place to shove God's word down people's throats that's our job at Church Service and Sunday school. The 1st amendment as a veteran who shed blood to protect it wants to shoot the politicians that come up with this abomination of a law.
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, sadly I guess thats your job to shove religion down peoples throats. You guys have a lot to answer for. Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS) is a recognized psychological condition. 😢
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ServantOfJudgement
I wouldn't think a minister of Jesus would want to publicly say he wants to plink a politician. You sure you got the right Yeshua?
It's an abomination to teach the word of God? You sure about that?
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Robert James Ruhnke
It’s an abomination to force the word of god onto others, SOJ. Something you do daily.
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Joe R Day
I have watched/read SOJ posts for several months/years.
A recent quote: "It's an abomination to teach the word of God?"
The definition of 'abomination' is a clue to SOJ's misguided efforts to sideline the base issue...
"Abomination: a thing that is hated and considered extremely offensive." I consider any mandated effort to require students to read a religious text as an effort to subvert (to challenge somebody’s ideas or expectations and make them consider the opposite) the Constitutional Protections as rote (the process of learning something by repeating it until you remember it rather than by understanding the meaning of it).
SOJ always seems to be on the Good Side, trumpeting the Religious Side, even when it is problematic in nature...
It is my Opinion that SOJ enjoys the debate, feeling as tho he has the Lord's favor in the exchange...
As someone who abhors the TX efforts to indoctrinate students to the KJV text, I ask "Have you do decency, sir?"
"The quote "Have you no sense of decency, sir?" is famously delivered by Joseph N. Welch during the Army-McCarthy hearings in 1954. Welch, representing the U.S. Army, confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy about his accusations of communism, challenging his moral authority and the legitimacy of his actions."
I see no difference between SOJ and Senator Joe McCarty.
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ServantOfJudgement
I'd normally be opposed to the Bible taught in public schools but if we don't push the line back, the woke hive mind will keep pushing our way. Start cutting breasts from kids again, sex pills to kids, rainbow cults in every library and super freaky dudes in dresses dry humping during story time. Creepy stuff.
We have to push far beyond what's acceptable to the left just to keep their total depravity at bay. Let them try to move the line when they get another psychopath in office.
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James Riggle-Johnson
What fantasy world are you living in, SOJ? Can you say, Drama Queen?
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Robert James Ruhnke
None of those things happened, SOJ. Stop your lying and making stuff up.
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ServantOfJudgement
Fox Varian wins 2 million suit against doctors for cutting her breasts of. No lie there.
Robert, are you saying kids don't get puberty blockers? Why did California schools keep gender transitioning secret from parents if the kids weren't eating sex pills? They made the pills for full grown adults? No lie there.
Schools and libraries across the country didn't host drag queens for storytime? No lie there.
Schools didn't get into trouble by parents and politicians for sporting lgbtqia++map sexual literature? No lie there.
Robert, with all these things being true, it unfortunately makes you the liar. I'm very sorry about that.
This is why Christians must push so far beyond reasonable that people are left in shock. The leftists will say they're not eating a cookie as they eat a cookie while calling you a liar for saying they're eating a cookie.
And James, I'm living in your fantasy world.
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Michael Hunt
Puberty blockers are not sex pills and they're safe for children to use.
California allows schools to keep gender transitioning secret from parents because some parents would abuse their child, physically or verbally, if they learned their child was transgender. It's the child's right to come out to their family when they're ready, not the school's duty to out them to their parents who might not be supportive.
Yes, drag queen story time is a thing. However, they are not "super freaky dudes in dresses dry humping during story time," they're just reading a children's book like anyone else would. You're the one sexualizing drag queens.
Schools were not "sporting lgbtqia++map sexual literature" since, first of all, minor attracted persons are not at all accepted by the LGBTQ+ community and no such literature supporting MAPs could be found in schools, and secondly, these books being challenged by parents are accused of being sexually explicit simply for acknowledging the existence of queer people. Any books that have sexual content, such as discussing sexual attraction and sexual experiences are not found in grade schools but high schools where students are going through puberty and experiencing these sexual feelings. None of the books being challenged are pornography despite the countless claims from conservative bigots.
Lastly, one person being manipulated by immoral doctors does not invalidate the existence of transgender people, nor does it mean that all doctors have a nefarious agenda to wantonly cut children's breasts off. These doctors committed malpractice and that's why they lost the suit. They didn't take the steps they should have taken, and steps that the majority of doctors do take, before providing surgery. Additionally, this study here has found the rate of regret amongst those receiving gender affirming care to be about 1% which is less than the rate of regret parents have about having children.
https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract
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ServantOfJudgement
Michael,
Robert said "None of those things happened, SOJ. Stop your lying and making stuff up."
It's not nice to call people liars. I merely stated a single point of truth for everything Robert said I lied about. I made nothing up.
Nothing was made up, everything is true. If I think a drag queen is super freaky then he is. I'm not alone there either. Lgbtqia++ people are desensitized to this. Nothing is freaky. Nothing.
Sex pills is my simple country boy word for voodoo meds that change the natural body's natural process of naturally becoming an adult male or female.
I did not lie. Robert did though.
All your justifications for the things Christians are oppressed to is the reason why christians must push far beyond the reasonable limit in schools.
To think the state has more rights over my children is beyond the line of reason from the left. Y'all went too far.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Too bad your Projections don’t work on what I say, SOJ. You’ll run your lying mouth though. Being called a liar isn’t about being nice, it’s about confronting someone who has no idea what they’re talking about especially when it comes to a community you love to berate and use made up allegations against. You’re rude without being profane, which just makes you seemingly nice jerk.
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Michael Hunt
You did lie. "Start cutting breasts from kids again, sex pills to kids, rainbow cults in every library and super freaky dudes in dresses dry humping during story time."
There are no drag queen story hours where they are dry humping in front of children. Children are not being sold sex pills because puberty blockers are not sex pills; that would be things like Viagra. Puberty blockers have been used safely for decades by children and adults. Just because you claim these are points of truth doesn't mean that they actually are factual.
I'm not sure what you mean about nothing being "freaky" to the LGBTQ+ community. I suppose it depends on what you mean exactly by "freaky" but I can tell you that there are a lot of things the LGBTQ+ community considers "freaky" to some degree.
I'm sorry that you feel being respectful of a person's identity is going to far but if that's the case, I'd much rather being going too far that way than the conservative wish to discriminate against queer people and force a theocracy upon the country.
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Patrick M Persinger
Reaction formation. There are support networks.
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
i hope so
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Sir Lionheart
Education is a good thing, especially teaching children about religions. Let them have readings from the Bible, the Qu’ran, the Book of Mormon, the Bhagavad Gita, the Vedas, etc, to let them know how wildly different man-religions are, and teach them how to think and not what to think. Critical thinking should be a requirement in all schools.
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Rev. BH
Lion, for once you and I seem to be together in opposition to many here. Teach all Holy Books or teach none.
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Edward D Torres
Awesome the missing ingredient to the Education of a Citizen in a Nation under God Indivisible
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Stewart
" Nation under God Indivisible" was added many years after the original was written . Jefferson said what harms me if a man worships 1 god or many . takes neither food from my table nor money from my pocket ..
Yet this takes public funds for no educational purpose .
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Bill Thompson
The state of Texas already has Sharia Law courts setup and operating. The only way to defeat this reconstruction of our nation is with a truth greater than that which has made its way into our system of education. Our children will be students of Sharia if we don’t setup roadblocks of truth now! Our constitution will be used to defeat us!
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Stewart
Sharia Law is not in any state it's just a scare tactic used by fools like you trying force Christian crap down others throats . Its the same sh$$ show with a new wrapping ...
Every time you turn another poor poor pitiful me squeal everyone's out to get xithans yet the only ones attacking freedoms are the selfsame chrit faker's pushing forcing others to attend their classes .
Wana read bibles do it at home want a education read a maths book.
The bible teaches no salable skill to earn a honest living .
preachers are con artist selling snake oil .
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ServantOfJudgement
Steward,
It happens inside the Mosque where you can't see. I'm sorry that you don't believe it even though every single Muslim on the planet prefers Sharia law over constitution law, especially illegals that came from sharia law. They all know their law is above the constitution and behave that way.
Friend, the Bible teaches how to earn an honest living regardless of your skill.
Ps, there are many examples but here's one to let you know Bill Thompson is not the fool in this conversation: Betemariam v. Said, 48 So. 3d 121 (2010)
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Michael Hunt
Muslims practicing Sharia Law are not codifying Sharia into American law. Christians, however, are. Lots of Christians also believe Biblical law supersedes the US Constitution and will use the Bible as justification for skirting discrimination laws or, during the Jim Crow era, justifying the unequal treatment of people of color because they believed their darker skin was due to being the "Mark of Cain" and therefore a lesser race. Right now you're the pot calling the kettle black.
That said, there are no Sharia Law courts operating in Texas. That's just completely false Islamophobia being spewed by Governor Abbot.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/no-sharia-law-coming-texas#
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ServantOfJudgement
Look at the UK. It's getting bad for the natives, real bad. London is a crap hole nowadays.
Remember when Trump called Haiti a crap hole and the leftists slammed him for it? Then the same leftists said the Haitians that stormed ohio can't be sent back because the place is a crap hole?
We've got a little sawed of runt for a governor that's worried more about the illegal Haitians than he is us natives. Just like England. Won't be long now.....
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Sir Lionheart
Yes, as an ex Anglophile I feel so sad the way the UK has become. 😢 Religion and stupid politics has a lot to answer for. Thank goodness we have someone here in the US that is attempting to get us all back to how it used to be here before the unemployed woke piercing brigade tried ruining everything.
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ServantOfJudgement
I see the valuable immigrants are now recommending to not fly the St George Cross. The non English islamist in England says it's ok to fly a white flag with England on it. He says that's not going to conflict with islam law.
I thought, white flag with England. England surrenders to islam. It's a powerful sad thing.
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Sir Lionheart
So sad!
I keep April 23rd alive here in the US by flying my St George flag. 🏴, along with the Stars and Stripes 🇺🇸 as well of course.
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Robert James Ruhnke
It’s nice to see two transphobic islamaphobes getting along. Neither of you haven’t a clue what’s going on. Nothing new there.
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Sir Lionheart
Hey! You left out fascists and racists.🤭
One can always tell who is a Democrat, they jump up and down crying Racist, Transphobic, Islamophobic, Fascist, etc as their facial piercings start jingling without offering anything in the way of critical thought, or intellect.
If some men want to wear dresses, make-up, jewelry, and high heels I’m totally okay with it, it’s nothing new, transvestites have been around for centuries. Let’s all hope they get well. 🤗
As for Islamophobia, I would say I am more of a religionaphobic, if there is such a word. There are some very crazy religious people pushing some very weird stuff nowadays…..and they actually believe what they are saying. 🤷
Thanks for your comment though, Mr. Ruhnke. My apologies if I just used the wrong pronoun? I know how upset some get who class themselves as “woke” if the wrong pronoun is used. Nothing new there. 🤭
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Michael Hunt
Lets be very clear here, I am not a Democrat, even if I vote for Democrats. I do not support either party and I'm highly critical of the Democrat party as well as Republicans. I often vote for Democrats as they are usually one of the 2 options I'm given in elections and they are more closely aligned to my values.
You are saying those who accuse you of racism, transphobia, Islamophobia, or holding fascist beliefs are not "offering anything in the way of critical thought, or intellect" and yet you continue to say things that are racist, transphobic, Islamophobic, and fascist. I have on numerous occasions outlined how the stance you were taking was racist, transphobic, Islamophobic, or fascist thanks to my critical-thinking skills. I have posited numerous questions to you in hopes of getting a reply displaying some critical thought but very rarely do I. Usually it's just radio silence on the actual tough questions but the easier ones you like to deflect with logical fallacies and factual inaccuracies.
When I am critical of your stances, I back up my critiques with sourcing. When you are critical of someone else's stance, you lob ad hominem attacks and make broad generalizations of a diverse group of thinkers.
You cannot seem to discuss these topics or debate/defend your beliefs in good faith. Instead you quip and "joke" to continue mocking those with different viewpoints, even when presented hard evidence that your viewpoint is rooted in falsehoods. It's as though I could spit in my hand while you watch, shake your hand, and afterwards you'd deny with ferocity that you have spit on your hand.
You're exhausting Mrs. Lionheart, but I assume since you aren't "woke" I can use a female pronoun or title towards you if I'd like without you caring at all. I mean, that seems to be the logic your "critical-thinking skills" are suggesting.
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Robert James Ruhnke
And a pompous projecting clown to boot. Nice try at pushing buttons. I’m no democrat. I quit them years ago. Im an independent. I get you don’t like religion, I don’t either. I also don’t trust Islam, i don’t trust any of the abrahamic faiths. I just don’t make not trusting Islam a chunk of my personality as you’ve done.
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Robert Hauck, MD, FAAP
The correct title of Fugelsang's book: "Separation of Church and Hate."
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Robert Hauck, MD, FAAP
Outrageous! Another giant step in the radical Christian-in-name-only movement to a theocracy. For a complete expose please read John Fugelsang's "Separation of Church and State."
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John P Maher
PUBLIC SCHOOLs ARE NOT MEANT to TEACH RELIGION in ANY WAY or MANNER...................................................100%
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Rev. Dr. Dennis Chevalier, Ph.D.
but they should. they teach morales, the life given to us from our creator. how to treat each other...and so much more!
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Sir Lionheart
Morals can be taught without involving religion.
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Druid Brandon O'Malley
Then teach it to your child at home or send them to a religious school. Otherwise, keep it out of public school unless you are teaching all religions and holy scripture. Got it? Because I can guarantee you, many of us who have not been exposed to religion in such a way are perfectly fine morally. I never read the Bible, and I'm perfectly fine. The Bible didn't teach me my morals. I learned it through my mistakes and through lessons that my parents taught me outside of religion. Not everybody believes in your creator.
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Joe R Day
Perfect response! Well written...
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Michael Hunt
This would be the very definition of the government passing a law that favors another religion over others. This is clearly unconstitutional and I surely hope the courts shoot this down.
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Richard William Mc Peake
here we go again. I'm a Christian Mystic and my prayer practices are different than many. Who will determine which BIBLE? And who's doing the teaching? This action of God and Christ is a private matter and should be a freedom of choice on how it is received. In my opinion most of the public have no idea original bible origin/contents -- what the original scrolls STATE OR/ARE include or not include. The teachings of Christ should remain to theologians and not BIBLE READERS.
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Former Texan here, they're always up to this nonsense; separation of church and state, y'all. That means no Bible studies, no 10 Commandments on the walls, no Bible verses, and class prayer before a test... How many times does the Freedom From Religion Foundation have to take y'all to court? I know they sued my former school district at least three times because they kept putting the same quotes on the wall after they had been advised it was unconstitutional.
Christian Nationalism has nothing to do with Christ and everything to do with not loving your neighbour, not treating foreigners as you would Christ himself, not feeding the hungry, and the very thing that should have tax exempt status removed from churches: political affiliation.