Joe Biden speaking
 Biden's election marks only the second time in history that a Catholic will occupy the White House.

During his victory speech on Saturday, President-elect Joe Biden quoted from the famous hymn “On Eagle’s Wings,” drawing excited reactions from many Catholics (and those of other denominations, too) who are familiar with the words.

Biden explained that this hymn helped him find peace after the tragic death of his son, Beau. "It captures the faith that sustains me, which I believe sustains America. And I hope and I hope I can provide some comfort and solace,” he said. Then he recited the words:

"And he will raise you up on eagle's wings, bear you on the breath of dawn. Make you to shine like the sun and hold you in the palm of his hand."

Here's a clip of the moment:

Positive Reactions

Congressman Ted Lieu acknowledged the hymn’s impact on him, and made note that Biden is only the second Catholic to hold the oval office in the nation’s history.

Others had fun with it, reveling in their favorite hymn being included in such a pivotal speech in American politics.

History of “On Eagle’s Wings”

The devotional hymn "On Eagle's Wings" was written by Michael Joncas and first recorded in 1979. With inspiration from certain biblical verses, Joncas composed the piece after his friend’s father died suddenly of a heart attack.

In the years since it was written, “On Eagle’s Wings” has become massively popular, and is often featured in Catholic masses as well as in Protestant worship services. It is commonly played during funeral services, and this association was further strengthened when it was included in many of the funeral and memorial services for victims of the 9/11 attacks. The song was even sung in Italian at the funeral of opera giant Luciano Pavarotti.

There are hundreds of different versions that can be found on YouTube. Some are recordings, others are live performances:

Religious Tolerance Gets a Boost

The hymn’s recitation was important to many for another reason – it marks only the second time in American history that a Catholic will occupy the White House. Not since President John F. Kennedy has a Catholic held the nation’s highest office.

It’s worth contemplating how much has changed in terms of religious tolerance since 1960. It wasn’t all that long ago that JFK’s political opponents tried to weaponize anti-Catholic sentiment against him, publicly accusing Kennedy of taking orders from the Vatican instead of the American people.

For all the divisiveness of the current political moment, any accusations that Joe Biden's religious beliefs are disqualifying have been few and far between. 

Could that be a sign that despite our many disagreements, some progress has been gained in terms of religious tolerance?


  1. Thom's Avatar Thom

    He is a catholic not in good standing with the church. Wait, he forgot.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      If Trump is your idea of what a good Christian is then it's no wonder why people are leaving the church and Christianity in droves. They are being driven away by the hypocrisy of it all.

      1. Thom's Avatar Thom

        You assumed a statement. I never said anything about our President Donald J. Trump. I mentioned former VP/Senator Joe Biden. Honestly, I only care if a person is an ethical and moral person and Joe Biden will lie to your face and I am sure President Trump will too, if needed. People are leaving churches because it is easier to not live a moral and ethical life and do what you want than it is to have some sort of standards.

        1. Rev. Don's Avatar Rev. Don

          Hahahaha. You only care if people are "moral and ethical" and you defend Trump and voted for him? That's a typical illogical argument of Trump supporters when you look at the facts of Trump's behavior.

          1. Thom's Avatar Thom

            Voted for him in 2016 and in 2020 and proudly each time.

        2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Are you suggesting that people that frequent churches are getting their morals somehow from religion? If so, which morals are you referring to? It wouldn’t by any chance be the moral of keeping slaves and beating them, condoned by the Christian god would it?


    2. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      Really like Trump is any type of Christian.

      1. Thom's Avatar Thom

        I would rather someone be honest about their faith than lie about it.

        Oh, and what gives you the right to think someone is better or worse than anyone else?

        Does it make Biden a better person because he goes to church every Sunday? But yet he is not in good standing with the Catholic Church?

        I did not vote for President Trump because of where he went to Church. I voted for him to fix the problems created by politicians like Joe Biden who have been in office for 40+ years. Trump has done more in 3.5 years than Biden or many other politicians have done in 30+ years.

        1. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

          You are so right. Trump denigrated active duty and vets by calling them suckers and losers, he disrespected Gold Star Families, he disrespected women, he divided our nation because he is a white supremacist, he showed himself to be incompetent in dealing with a pandemic which has killed thousands, he continued to hold super spreader events around the country and made fun of people following science by wearing masks, he raped a number of women, he filed bankruptcy 7 times to screw over his contractors, he stole money from his children's cancer foundation, he set up a fake university and had to pay out thousands of dollars, he gutted the EPA to allow toxic waste dumping in rivers, he pushed a drug which was not proven to be effective for COVID, he dodged paying taxes, lied on his taxes...on and on. He is and always was a con man and liar. Yes, he sure accomplished a lot in 3/12 years.

          1. Mary Ann Baggaley's Avatar Mary Ann Baggaley

            Don't forget he also evaded serving in our military

            1. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

              I will never forget as I come from a multi generation military family. All enlisted, none had bone spurs and none were losers or suckers. That broke my heart to hear that. To me that was one of the worst things he ever said and is no wonder that over 80% of active duty members did not vote for him this time.

          2. Thom's Avatar Thom

            Hey guess what, the sky is blue. Argue about this. No matter what I say you will disagree. I am tired of dealing with liberals who only want to argue. I am done with it. And, it is not because I don't have facts on my side, it is because stupid can only be tolerated for so long.

            1. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

              I doubt that you are a minister and wonder why you are here on our minister's blog. So when someone fills in facts which are not in agreement with your thinking, we are stupid liberals? Well I am a proud liberal. I support equality for all Americans, not just a few. I believe in treating others with kindness and love, rather than bullying, tearing others down. I was not in disagreement, just a different point of view. it is sad you cannot handle it. Blessings.

              1. Thom's Avatar Thom

                I do have my ordination from ULC so, I have a right to be on here. It is funny, as a conservative I get labeled with various descriptions - Homophobe, Xenophobe, Racists, Bigot and, the list goes on. So, the bullying and tearing down comes from the liberal side.

              2. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

                You present yourself as a bigot when you resort to name calling. What kind of a minister are you?

              3. Thom's Avatar Thom

                Thank you, you have proven my point.

              4. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

                You have no point other than to denigrate others who do not agree with you and present facts. Toxic masculinity is what you are about as you are unable to tolerate the facts and truth about your cult leader. I will pray for you to awaken from the Cult of Trump. I will now ignore your nasty posts.

              5. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

                See the difference is, that those are not insults, they are not an act of anme calling or bullying like what you do here frequently on these forums when you use slurs and hate speech.

                Let me give a very simple example I am blading, you call me bald.Depending on tone and context this can be a neutral descriptor, or an insult. If an insult, it is a personal attack, and one that shows the insulter to be the negative individual in the encounter who needs to improve their social abilities.

                If you wrote something I consider Bigoted, which you do frequently on these forums by expressing a ego centric view of christianity as the only valid faith, and I call you a bigot, that is not in any context an insult, as it is purely a desriptor, the reason you would find it insulting is becaue it outs your behavior as negative and makes you have to consider your social ability lacking.

                1 makes one feel bad because it is an attack, the other makes the person feel bad because it makes them self reflect and find something in themself lacking.

              6. Thom's Avatar Thom

                What one person calls an insult, I call funny. If you feel you must, go find your fluffy toy, get in your safe place and scream. I live in the real world and have never, ever been called a bigot, racist, homophobe or anything of the such by the wide variety of people I know. As for you, please, find calm in your life and realize, we live in the real world and not the make believe happy land of unicorns and rainbows.


            2. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

              Can I send you some cheese with your wine? Lighten up.

            3. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

              Liberal? How sad of you to resort to name calling me. I am a minister, obviously you are not. It's too bad you are unable to accept the facts of your Mussolini Coward in Chief/Bone spurs. America has spoken. He will go to hell or live in one now. He will spend a lot of time in prison.

    3. Ren's Avatar Ren

      Joe Biden is "in good standing" with the Catholic Church... he attends Mass at least weekly, participating in the Eucharist and receiving the Sacrament.

      1. Thom's Avatar Thom

        Just because he goes to church does not mean he should be there.

        1. John R. Goss, III's Avatar John R. Goss, III

          One bishop's opinion is not a divine decision.

          1. Thom's Avatar Thom

            As a former Catholic, a single Bishop's decision is rather divine. So, Biden is not in good standing because he goes against so many of the teachings of the Catholic church and therefore is not in good standing.

            1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

              Only the Pope may declare Biden's standing within the catholic tradition. As far as I know he has given drumpf a thumbs down if only in the most mild of ways.

              1. Thom's Avatar Thom

                As a former Catholic, I may have a better understanding than you. However, I know you liberals don't like facts but I am going to present some to you:

                III. WHO CAN EXCOMMUNICATE?—Excomminication is an act of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, the rules of which it follows. Hence the general principle: whoever has jurisdiction in the forum externum, properly so called, can excommunicate, but only his own subjects. Therefore, whether excommunications be a lure (by the law) or ab homine (under form of sentence or precept), they may come from the pope alone or a general council for the entire Church; from the provincial council for an ecclesiastical province; from the bishop for his diocese; from the prelate nullius for quasi-diocesan territories; and from regular prelates for religious orders. Moreover, anyone can excommunicate who, by virtue of his office, even when delegated, has contentious jurisdiction in the forum externum; for instance, papal legates, vicars capitular, and vicars-general. But a parish priest cannot inflict this penalty nor even declare that it is incurred, i.e. he cannot do so in an official and judicial manner. The subjects of these various authorities are those who come under their jurisdiction chiefly on account of domicile or quasi-domicile in their territory; then by reason of the offense committed while on such territory; and finally by reason of personal right, as in the case of regulars.

  1. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

    It was a powerful, beautiful and heart filled speech and hymn which brought even the most toughest guys to tears. The American people have spoken out against tyranny, racism, lying and stealing and a rising fascist dictator. We are moving forward to a more inclusive and kind nation to not only benefit the few but to benefit the many. It was awesome to hear that he will be America's president not a particular party. He will not demonize any imagined enemies or name call, denigrate or bully. Thank God we have awoken and taken positive action. For believers, we know that God has answered our prayers, our meditations and our visualizations.

    1. Michelle Costa's Avatar Michelle Costa

      I totally agree with Catherine OG. I think Biden will model tolerance and grace under pressure and will return the country to one governed by the ideals of Country before Party. Well said, Catherine .

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


  1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

    The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, commonly known as the crime bill, was sponsored by Joe Biden 26 years ago. It is often blamed for extending tough-on-crime policies that overly criminalized Black Americans.

    According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.”

    In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.”

    It was against this backdrop that the CBC considered its options. The draft bill contained many provisions to which they objected, such as giving states incentives to implement mandatory minimum sentences and preventing currently incarcerated people from obtaining Pell grants for education. At the same time, the bill offered significant funding for crime prevention, including community policing, drug treatment, and programs for young people. It also contained the landmark Violence Against Women Act, which sharply reduced the incidence of domestic violence, and a ban on assault weapons, which helped to reduce the firearm homicide rate.

    It is easy to play Monday-morning quarterback. But did the controversial 1994 crime bill actually reduce violence while increasing mass incarceration and racial disparities in the criminal justice system?

    Let’s begin with the facts. Between the end of the 1960s to the beginning of the 1990s, the overall rate of violent crime more than doubled before peaking in 1991 and beginning a long-term decline that brought the rate back down to the levels of the early 1970s. The homicide rate followed a similar pattern, with less variation between peaks and troughs. Between 1980 and 2006, the incarceration rate more than quadrupled before beginning a long-term decline that has brought it down to roughly where it stood when the 1994 crime bill was enacted. Since 2006, incarceration rates have fallen by 17% for White Americans, 26% for Hispanics, and 34% for African Americans.

    But one thing is clear: the 1994 bill interacted with—and reinforced—an existing and highly problematic piece of legislation: The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, which created huge disparities in sentencing between crack and powder cocaine. Under this bill, a person was sentenced to a five-year minimum sentence for five grams of crack cocaine, but it took 500 grams of powder cocaine to trigger the same sentence. Because crack is a cheaper alternative to powder cocaine, it is more prominent in low-income neighborhoods. These neighborhoods are more likely to be predominately Black and in urban areas that can be overpoliced more easily than suburban or rural areas. While the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, enacted under the Obama-Biden administration, reduced the crack/powder cocaine disparity from 100:1 to 18:1, the damage had been done, and its effects continue to this day.

    In the absence of the 1986 anti-drug bill, the effects of the 1994 on extended incarceration rates would have been less severe. But as James Clyburn’s comments show, getting tough on drugs was a key objective of the 1994 bill, not an unintended byproduct.

  1. Steven Robert Bushnick's Avatar Steven Robert Bushnick

    It's time to set aside all our differences. We have to unite and work to solve the problems that got us here to begin with. We should all be looking for positive ways to help. Whoever becomes President needs our prayers to help him find the righteous path to govern.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      You had better thank god that it was Joe Biden who won. For if it had been Trump who had won then all of your prayers would have fallen on deaf ears.

  1. JT of the plains's Avatar JT of the plains

    On Eagle's Wings is a beautiful hymn and is loved by many, not just those in the Catholic church.

  1. Lather Joseph Wieland's Avatar Lather Joseph Wieland

    He's called creepy Uncle Joe Biden for years There's a reason why. God help America There's a definent malfunction In The beliefs of modern religion

  1. Bryan Christopher Sandlin's Avatar Bryan Christopher Sandlin

    This man is a disgusting person, I cannot support anyone that supports abortion! I'll leave ULC if ULC supports joe biden!

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      All I can say is Bye have a nice life that if you choose to leave ULC Bryan Christopher Sandlin. Besides ULC does not take any stand on anything that is up to each individual ULC member on where they stand on any particular belief. This is the ULC statement: The ULC has also become renowned for its role as a champion of religious freedom, social justice, and spiritual expression. The Universal Life Church was founded on the basic belief that we are all children of the same universe and, derived from that basic belief, has established two core tenets by which it expects its ministers to conduct themselves:

      1. Do only that which is right.

      2. Every individual is free to practice their religion in the manner of their choosing, as mandated by the First Amendment, so long as that expression does not impinge upon the rights or freedoms of others and is in accordance with the government’s laws.

    2. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

      You do not seem to grasp that it is those who are anti abortion who are seen and deemed evil, vile, and loathesome by the sane and rational minded of this age. A fetus has no claim to a womans bodily autonomy over the woman herself. And those like you who seek dominion and enslavement of women as good little breeders will find yourselves the villains of this story from now on until finally those who think in archaic fashion are a thing of the past and we can all shout with joy, good riddance.

      1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        We ought to think of things we can do with those aborted fetuses, to put them to good use, so people would have less to complain about.

  1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

    WOW! you really know how to pick them don't you Thom What next the National Enquirer.

    The Federalist

    Andrew McCabe

    In May 2018, The Federalist published an article which suggested that former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe had leaked a story to the news channel CNN. The article presented no evidence that this was the case, only that McCabe was aware that CNN would publish a story four days prior to its eventual publication. According to Matt Ford in The New Republic, the more likely explanation was that CNN contacted the FBI Press Office, consistent with journalistic practices, for comment on a forthcoming story. George W. Bush's former press secretary Ari Fleischer agreed that CNN was likely contacting the FBI for comment on a forthcoming story, and said that "Whoever told CNN about the briefing is the problem." The Federalist story was widely disseminated, including a tweet from Donald Trump Jr.

    Coronavirus pandemic misinformation

    During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published numerous pieces that contained false information or information that was contrary to the recommendations of public health experts and authorities. The Federalist published articles denouncing social distancing, as well as articles claiming that fears over the pandemic had been overhyped by the Democratic Party and the media. The Federalist co-founder Sean Davis said that Democrats were intentionally trying to "destroy the economy" as a "last-ditch 2020 play", and that "All they care about is power. And if they have to destroy your life and business to get power back, they will." The Federalist published articles calling on the government to quickly end social distancing directions, and to open businesses again. Co-founder Domenech attacked a prominent analysis from Imperial College London which estimated the loss of life due to the pandemic; Domenech attacked the analysis for revising its figures downward, but the reason that the analysis did so was that the analysis incorporated the social distancing and shutdown strategies that had increasingly been implemented. Tracinski, a former contributor, wrote in Bulwark that The Federalist devolved over time into a "conspiracy-mongering partisan rag that has now become a menace to public health".

    It published a piece by someone identified as a physician in Oregon who recommended that people hold "chickenpox"-style parties for the coronavirus to build herd immunity, but the recommendations were contrary to those of public health experts, and the author in question did not have a medical license and had worked as a businessman for decades. At the time, experts warned that the number of new infections should be kept down so as to not overburden the health care system. The Federalist was subsequently temporarily suspended from Twitter for promoting fringe ideas that contradicted public health experts and were harmful to public health. Reddit also removed links to The Federalist article on its platform.

    Labor law violation

    In 2019, following staff of other American media companies unionizing, co-founder Domenech tweeted "first one of you tries to unionize I swear I'll send you back to the salt mine". In 2020, an NLRB judge ruled that Domenech had threatened staff illegally and required the company to post notices in its offices and email employees to inform them about their legal rights. Domenech argued unsuccessfully that the tweet was a joke. The New Civil Liberties Alliance, a nonprofit dedicated to fighting what it says is an excessive administrative state, and which had been representing The Federalist pro bono, announced that the they would appeal. Reason and National Review published articles questioning the judge's decision.

    Google Ads

    In June 2020, Google Ads warned The Federalist that it was considering demonetizing the website because of racism in its comment section; The Federalist removed the comment section entirely, and Google announced that "no action will be taken". In response, Domenech said: "We are really learning the degree to which Big Tech can be weaponized by woke mobs, or woke journalists in this case, to try to shut down places who disagree with their leftist agenda." Tech journalist Mike Masnick called these accusations baseless, pointing out that many different websites were routinely receiving such notices from Google (quoting nine recent examples from his own news site, Techdirt): "It's not anti-conservative bias, but just yet another example of how difficult it is to do any form of content moderation at scale".

  1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

    but what they are NOT thrilled with is that he still tries, along with nancy and others, to take the eucharist even though every American Bishop has stated that it goes against Catholic Teachings to try and claim you are pro choice and believe in abortion on demand. The Pope is under pressure right now to demand that Catholics either believe in life or they leave the church. This is the belief of Latin America and Asia and either the pope listens or the Catholic Church is cut into thirds when the other parts leave and start their own churches. Just like when England broke away from the Church under Henry the 8th. The catholic church cannot afford this to happen and have already defrocked priests who refuse to change. namely the twit in Chicago...he cannot run a service nor a mass nor can he hear confessions nor can he marry anyone. And more of these so called priests are going to find this out very quickly

  1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

    We are screwed. Let’s impeach.

    1. Thom's Avatar Thom

      I agree, as soon as, and if he is, Joe is inaugurated, he and his family should be put through the same amount of hell, negativity and scrutiny Trump has been through since he announced his candidacy. I think after a very through investigation of Hunter and his financial dealings with his family, Biden should be impeached. But, then we would have a woman in the white house who slept her way to the top. Check with Willie Brown, he will confirm my statement.

      1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

        Well Trump his close family are headed to prison and his associates who all are in very deep legal trouble such as Steve Bannon Trump's former chief strategist, Michael Cohen his former personal lawyer, Paul Manafort who led Trump's 2016 Presidential campaign, Rick Gates Manafort longtime business associate and a former Trump campaign adviser, Roger Stone a longtime ally and confidant of Trump's, Michael Flynn Trump's former national security adviser, George Papadopoulos who served as foreign policy adviser to Trump's 2016 campaign, they all have a lot of dirt on Trump and Trump threw them all under the bus so do you think they are still going to be loyal to Trump now.

        Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son. They say those and other documents show that Hunter Biden used his father’s influence to enrich himself through business deals in Ukraine and China, and that his father not only facilitated that, but may have benefited financially.

        But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

        U.S. intelligence agencies have informed the White House that Giuliani has been in contact with alleged Russian intelligence agents. The FBI has been looking into whether the Russians played any role, and no official has ruled that out.

        At the same time, dozens of former intelligence officials have said the story has the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. After the election interference of 2016, the news media is especially wary of doing anything to further an effort by a foreign government to intervene in a presidential campaign.

        All of Harris’ electoral victories occurred years after her relationship with Brown ended. Harris didn’t run for political office until well after her relationship with Brown ended. In 2003, she made a successful bid for the office of San Francisco district attorney, a position she held until she was elected to serve as the attorney general of California, taking office in 2011. She held that post until she was elected in 2016 to serve in the United States Senate representing the state of California.

        1. Thom's Avatar Thom

          You lost me at your first statement. They tried and tried to have Trump impeached and guess what, it did not work. As for Harris, she would not have made it to where she is now unless she slept her way to the next position. As for all the hearsay, it is just that. Seems it did not work with the impeachment hearings or the supreme court justice proceedings. So, get the facts and stop with the hearsay.

          1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

            Yeah well that doesn't surprise me that you would get lost after the first few words We're very familiar with Trump's supporters having a low IQ and a short attention span and how you still have struggle to read the 1st grade book "Dick and Jane" and need help reading Archie comic books. Yeah you're good at hearing what you want to hear if it fit into your itty bitty tiny little mind set, but you know what, all this really doesn't matter because whether you like it or not Trump lost and Joe Biden is the next President and Kamala Harris will be the next Vice President Who know Kamala Harris may become President after Joe Biden.

          2. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

            Typical drumpf cultist babble. Drumpf was impeached no try about it. The fact your ilk cant grasp that does not do credit to your faction. The fact you try to attack a woman by saying she slept her way to the top, while spouting how all there is is here say about a man you call moral, who is in fact on record having a sexual affair while his wife was pregnant again does not do credit to your faction, it only paints it with a pretty broad, thick, filthy, oily coat of scum.

            And the fact you try to defend those 2 very corrupt SC judge picks of Drumpfs again speaks volumes about the actual kind of person you are. One that would be just fine with an end to elections all together methinks.

            1. Thom's Avatar Thom

              You two just hate Trump so much you are willing to follow the lies. The lies which went through the impeachment fiasco, the Russia lies, the election lies and so much more. The Trump family is quite clean and so much cleaner than the Biden family. You guys are so will to get rid of Trump, a great leader and someone who done so much for this country, and to put in a puppet of the democrat party with his progressive liberal sidekick. The democrat party had to cheat and fool the people of the US to rig the votes of several states. I can't wait for people to go to jail for this but, we all know it will be found after Biden dies in office or is removed to his dementia.

              You lost me because you started off your comment telling me how Trump and his family should go to jail. I in no way have insulted you unless you see facts as being insulting. Give me facts, give me the information to say why Biden is a good Catholic after he has been told he is not. Honestly, I don't care but if a person is going to shout they are one thing but are actually hypocrites then, I have a problem. Biden does no remember what office he was running for and he will not be in office long. I figure within 8 to 9 months Harris will be taking his place, as planned.

              1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

                You know Thom that doesn't surprise me at all that you really believe all the BS you just wrote: that "The Trump family is quite clean and so much cleaner than the Biden family". and this "a great leader and someone who done so much for this country," and also this The democrat party had to cheat and fool the people of the US to rig the votes of several states. and you say "Give me facts, give me the information" We could have given you hundred if not thousand of reason, but you and other like you just refuse accept or believe them and you wonder why this country is in such a mess, it's because people like you who vote for people like Trump. If anyone is suffering from dementia and living in total denial that would be you and all other like you. You can continue to live in your delusional world and believe whatever you want, but as I wrote before, you know what, all this really doesn't matter because whether you like it or not Trump lost and Joe Biden is the next President and Kamala Harris will be the next Vice President That just drive you all crazy doesn't it. So much so that you're all starting to go off the deep end.

              2. Thom's Avatar Thom

                Hey guess what, the sky is blue. Argue about this. No matter what I say you will disagree. I am tired of dealing with liberals who only want to argue. I am done with it. And, it is not because I don't have facts on my side, it is because stupid can only be tolerated for so long.

              3. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

                Okay whatever, have a nice life Thom. However I hope you're not planning on making a living at writing poetry because you really suck at it.

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              5. Thom's Avatar Thom

                What in the world does anything I say have to do with poetry? And yes, I agree, I do suck at poetry.

    2. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

      It's only kinky the first time, Douglas. You'll enjoy it after that.

  1. Paul J. Fumero's Avatar Paul J. Fumero

    Well he is a catholic AND no one has the right to doubt if he is in good standing. THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD! he is way better than the Demon who is in the White House now.

    1. Alicia Szot's Avatar Alicia Szot

      I'd just like you to give specific examples of why you think Trump is a "demon". Many people say they hate him, yet can't give reasons why without either misquoting him or calling him "racist", "misogynist", or "xenophobic". They just never give examples of this.

      I'm not saying Trump is a saint...he's rude and crude and very "UNpolitical", which is why he was voted in. I'm just asking for examples of why all the hate. To date, no one has been able to be specific on this.

      1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

        We have given you hundred if not thousand of reason, but you and other like you just refuse accept or believe them and those three alone are good reasons not to vote for him, yet you say that why he was voted in and you wonder why this country is in such a mess, it's because people like you who vote for people like Trump.

  1. James M Slack's Avatar James M Slack

    I do agree with no one has the right to doubt Biden’s standing. God does and will determine that. It’s to bad some dont want to give Trump credit for what he has done and would still do for the good of the people and country. Wait till and if Biden is sworn in and our great USA is turned into a socialist country. I’m afraid a revolution is brewing and it will be turmoil. I do agree about a demon. Yes the devil is working on us and I hope some don’t fall for his leadership. I’m also sure that Russia, China. North Korea, Iran and others are thrilled with Biden as president I don’t believe that Biden and his thinking will stop these countries and our borders from stopping the devil at work. This is food for thought. I hope some who voted to save our country and make it great instead of turning it over to the devil.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    There is far less of a chance of there ever being a revolution in this nation than there being more overcrowded prisons, and psyche wards.too many people (many of whom which are schizophrenics and other nut jobs) are living out the fantasy delusions created by fictional T.V., and movies.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      WOW! That sound a lot like Trump and his merry band idiots, psychotic and a whole bag of assorted nut jobs that he has in the White House. Who say we don't give Trump credit for what he done the good he still does for the richest 1% HelI I've have been giving him credit for all the crap he pull so far. Nah we don't have to worry about Trump turning this country into a socialist country, he been too busy turning it into a authoritarian dictatorship.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    I won't go near an eagle, but only fly on 737s. That's almost as bad as an Arab flying on a carpet, piloted by a Jen named Alibaba, goodness gracious!

  1. Reverend Lisa Smith's Avatar Reverend Lisa Smith

    I did not vote for Joe Biden because of his infamous crime bill, a terrible bill that paved the way for African American males to be unjustly incarcerated. Not only were African American males unjustly incarcerated, but they were given lengthy sentences for non-violent crimes. As far as I am concerned, this was a modern day Holocaust for African American males and their families. Young black boys were placed in adult prisons where they were exposed to the worst elements of life. Hispanic males were also terrible affected by Joe Biden's crime bill as a result, of this terrible bill many families suffered and were broken apart. You may say to me this was thirty years ago, why hang on to the past? Well many black and Hispanic males are still suffering today in 2020 because of this horrible crime bill. Many are still incarcerated because of the three strikes you're out law that guaranteed a long sentence of imprisonment a law that encompasses this crime bill. So when he talks about mounting up on wings..."And he will raise you up on eagle's wings, bear you on the breath of dawn. Make you to shine like the sun and hold you in the palm of his hand."

    What wings is he really talking about when people of color are still suffering because of his crime bill. THINK ABOUT IT.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      What do you really think trump was a better choice for African American or anyone one else, Tell me what has Trump done to help anyone but himself , his family and the top 1%?

      1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Well, prior to Covid-19 he reduced unemployment, that helped the lower 99%. He brought back jobs from China the Democrats set up with that country, that helped the lower 99%. He’s establishing lowering prescription drugs, if Biden doesn’t stop it, that helps the lower 99%. He’s kept oil/gas prices low, which definitely won’t happen under Biden, that’s helped the lower 99%. Will four examples do for the time being or would you like more? Just answering your last sentence.


        1. Robert A Stiff's Avatar Robert A Stiff

          False answers, Lionheart, and you know it. Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama, caused a 60% bankruptcy rate among American farmers because of his fake tariff war with China. You seem to forget that the high prices for drugs is because the GOP won't allow Medicare to bargain for lower drug price controls, hence affecting drugs for the non-Medicare factor. You pick and choose so-called Trump "accomplishments", and even they are fake. You're a typical Trumpet..blasting lies and deception to hide the fact that Trump was the most incompetent and corrupt President in American History. You can rant and scream and wave your silly flags, but nothing can change facts.

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            What Democrat president worked on lowering prescription drug prices for the working class? Bear in mind Obama had 8 years to try and do it. The worst president in US history, Obama, came nowhere near it. I’ll wait for your answer.

            1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

              You're right Lionheart when you wrote: The worst president in US history, Obama, came nowhere near it. That would be Trump who will go down as the "worst president in US history"

      2. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

        While the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, enacted under the Obama-Biden administration, reduced the crack/powder cocaine disparity from 100:1 to 18:1,

        Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 - Amends the Controlled Substances Act and the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act to: (1) increase the amount of a controlled substance or mixture containing a cocaine base (i.e., crack cocaine) required for the imposition of mandatory minimum prison terms for trafficking; and (2) increase monetary penalties for drug trafficking and for the importation and exportation of controlled substances.

        Eliminates the five-year mandatory minimum prison term for first-time possession of crack cocaine.

        Directs the United States Sentencing Commission to: (1) review and amend its sentencing guidelines to increase sentences for defendants convicted of using violence during a drug trafficking offense; (2) incorporate aggravating and mitigating factors in its guidelines for drug trafficking offenses; (3) promulgate guidelines, policy statements, or amendments required by this Act as soon as practicable, but not later than 90 days after the enactment of this Act; and (4) study and report to Congress on the impact of changes in sentencing law under this Act.

        Directs the Comptroller General, within one year after the enactment of this Act, to report to Congress analyzing the effectiveness of drug court programs under the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

      3. Thom's Avatar Thom

        I hope this may give you something to reference when you nothing has been done:

        Make sure you have some time to read the full article, it may take a while:

        1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

          Yeah I've read it and it all a load of crap. They NO proof of anything they wrote, there are NO cited sources anywhere to back up anything they wrote and this is a wordpress site Really you're going have to do better then that.

          1. Thom's Avatar Thom





            Would you like for me to continue?

            1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

     Is coming from a Trump White House so do you expect me or anyone with any intelligence to really believe they're going to say anything negative or tell what is really truthful about Trump administration accomplishments

              The Federalist is an American conservative online magazine and podcast that covers politics, policy, culture, and religion

              Falsehoods during the 2020 election While ballots were being counted in the 2020 election, The Federalist made false claims of large-scale fraud. One of The Federalist's tweets said, "Yes, Democrats Are Trying To Steal The Election In Michigan, Wisconsin, And Pennsylvania." The website falsely insinuated that fraud was occurring in Michigan. Other news outlets quickly showed that the purported fraud was a clerical error that was quickly corrected; The Federalist did not delete the story, which had gone viral. Sean Davis shared the misleading story, leading Twitter to tag his post as containing disputed information

              Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart or is an American far-right syndicated news, opinion and commentary website founded in mid-2007 by American conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, who conceived it as "the Huffington Post of the right". Its journalists are widely considered to be ideologically driven, and some of its content has been called misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by liberals and many traditional conservatives alike. The site has published a number of conspiracy theories and intentionally misleading stories

              The New York Times does not back up any of your claims The Towering Lies of President Trump

            2. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

              This is only part of all the BS articles that Breitbart has published


              Climate change denial

              In November 2016, Breitbart News published an article summarizing a Daily Mail piece that falsely claimed that record-high global temperatures were unrelated to global warming. The Breitbart article, by James Delingpole, was cited by the United States House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, for which the latter itself was criticized. condemned the Breitbart story in an article titled "Note to Breitbart: Earth Is Not Cooling, Climate Change Is Real and Please Stop Using Our Video to Mislead Americans".

              In June 2017, Breitbart News published an article by Dellingpole that claimed that 58 scientific papers disproved anthropogenic climate change. A number of scientists criticized the article, describing it as cherry-picking, derogatory, inaccurate, misleading, and employing flawed reasoning. In April 2019, Breibart News published an article that claimed that a scientific study on past climate proved that man-made climate change was a hoax. Climate scientists sharply criticized the article, variously describing it as ignorant, misleading, and misrepresentative of the study’s actual findings. In 2020, Breitbart News falsely claimed that the sea level has remained stable throughout the 20th century.

              Wrongly picturing Lukas Podolski as a refugee

              In August 2017, Breitbart News featured a picture of professional German soccer player Lukas Podolski in an article entitled "Spanish Police Crack Gang Moving Migrants on Jet-Skis". Podolski is neither a migrant gang member nor a victim of human trafficking. The picture was of Podolski riding a jet-ski in the summer of 2014 in Brazil. Breitbart News apologized to Podolski after the picture drew attention.

              False story about Northern California wildfires

              In October 2017, Breitbart News published a false story claiming that an illegal immigrant was arrested in connection with the October 2017 Northern California wildfires. Sonoma County's sheriff department responded to Breitbart's reporting, "This is completely false, bad, wrong information that Breitbart started and is being put out into the public."

              COVID-19 Scandal

              Breitbart News livestreamed a widely viewed video on July 27, 2020, featuring a group called America's Frontline Doctors, that made dubious claims related to the COVID-19 pandemic and touted hydroxychloroquine as a cure. The group was led by Dr. Simone Gold, reportedly a Trump supporter who has advocated the use of hydroxychloroquine on conservative talk radio and podcasts. President Donald Trump shared several versions of the video with his 84 million Twitter followers before they were taken down. The video was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube for violating policies against COVID-19 misinformation. The president's son Donald Trump Jr. was restricted from Twitter for 12 hours for sharing it. The video event was funded by the right-wing group Tea Party Patriots. The video had 14 million views and was shared 600,000 times on Facebook before it was taken down. Breitbart did not immediately respond to CNBC when asked about the video being removed by Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

              Voter fraud

              In August 2020, a Breitbart article reported on a press release by Michigan's Secretary of State about more than 800 dead people voting in Michigan. The Breitbart article was framed to suggest that the ballots were not legitimately cast and thus evidence of extensive voter fraud. However, the voters in question died after submitting the ballots, and the ballots were rejected by Michigan authorities who knew the voters had died before the election date.

              1. Thom's Avatar Thom

                Hey guess what, the sky is blue. Argue about this. No matter what I say you will disagree. I am tired of dealing with liberals who only want to argue. I am done with it. And, it is not because I don't have facts on my side, it is because stupid can only be tolerated for so long.

              2. Stanley Alan Marchand's Avatar Stanley Alan Marchand

                Thom stupid cant' be fixed even with duct tape !

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    2. John Daly's Avatar John Daly

      Really?! Is that the only reason u did not vote for an old corrupt anti American leftist?

    3. Reverend Lisa Smith's Avatar Reverend Lisa Smith

      "What do you really think trump was a better choice for African American or anyone one else, Tell me what has Trump done to help anyone but himself , his family and the top 1%?" I believe Trump would have been a better President for African American businesses, education, and ending the racial disparities in the legal system so far Trump has granted pardons to some African Americans that were grossly treated unfair in our Judicial system. There were many problems with Trump, I will admit such as his handling of the Covid-19 virus and his down playing it. His mouth often got him in trouble. However, Trump never in acted or pass any bills and laws the detrimentally affected African Americans and people of color as Joe Biden's crime bill.

      1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

        Really and what about Trumps attorney general, you know the one that Love black people and any other minority that is of the color spectrum and isn't white like him. You know that attorney general Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III

        As the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, the attorney general is responsible for ensuring equal justice under the law for all Americans. But Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, the recently forced out U.S. attorney general, used his office and position to undermine the rights and freedoms of people of color. From civil rights and criminal justice, to immigration policy, Sessions, also a former Republican U.S. senator from Alabama, did not miss an opportunity to criminalize and terrorize people of color.

        The American public was long aware of Sessions’ dangerous record and potential to inflict harm on communities of color. In 1986, Sessions was denied a federal judgeship due to alarming laudatory statements he made about the Ku Klux Klan and racist remarks aimed at his black colleagues. Coretta Scott King, the widow of Martin Luther King Jr., even submitted a letter warning the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee of Sessions’ record of using his power as a former U.S. attorney to “intimidate and chill the free exercise of the ballot.”

        As a U.S. senator, Sessions routinely fought against protections for historically marginalized communities. He vehemently opposed efforts to strengthen federal hate crimes statutes, failed to protect against gender discrimination, and blocked actions to enact comprehensive bi-partisan immigration reform. These and other actions led civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus; Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA); and Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ), one of just three sitting African American senators, to break with tradition and testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in opposition to his appointment.

        An individual’s past and present actions are a testament to how they will execute the duties of their office. Grave concerns about Sessions’ record, noted during his confirmation, unsurprisingly became reality. After taking control of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), he pursued an aggressive and virulent policy agenda that sought to strip away every protection for people of color and other marginalized communities within the agency’s purview.

        President Donald Trump’s next attorney general cannot be allowed to continue Sessions’ ruthless campaign against communities of color. It is past time for Congress to hold the U.S. attorney general and the DOJ accountable. As the nation looks toward the 116th Congress, here are 25 issues congressional members should examine as part of their oversight and “advice and consent” duties.

        There is more to this story here the link

        As for how trump really has helped African American businesses check out these links

        Trump’s insistence that he "saved" HBCUs goes too far. His debate-night claim also ignored that HBCUs received money via the Title III program every year under Obama, according to the U.S. Education Department.

        "President Trump did no more for HBCUs than any other U.S. president,

  1. Robert P Hardy's Avatar Robert P Hardy

    I don't see how he can call himself a Christian and support abortion and killing them innocence

    1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

      Because abortion isnt murder for starters. and the unborn do not have a greater claim to a womans bodily autonomy then the woman herself. But your ilk that seeks to enslave and enforce dominion over women as good little breeders are genuinely evil. Understand that if you never have before. In the eyes of those who support women's rights, the anti abortion faction is among the worlds most evil, vile, and loathed faction of people by those who are of sane and sound mind, and use reason and logic over blind faith.

  1. John Daly's Avatar John Daly

    How can u give this illegitimate old commie fool any coverage. In a matter of weeks Trump will be named president #46.

  1. Laurel Lee Newman-Curry's Avatar Laurel Lee Newman-Curry

    Let's back up here. Biden is not president elect as only the faux news is saying it and no state has ran the gauntlet of official declaration of vote verifications. to declare winner. So anything said is HOT AIR and hype. Also remember the old saying: Actions speak louder than words----and having been raised Catholic, I can judge.

    Rev. Laurel

    p.s. Honors to all the Veterans!!!!!!

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      Sorry to have burst your delusional world view bubble but whether you like it or not Trump lost and Joe Biden is the next President and Kamala Harris will be the next Vice President

      So you think that Trump is an ethical and moral person. And if you're not saying Trump is more (by wildest stretch of anyone imagination) morally superior then Joe Biden is then who are you comparing Joe Biden to? Do you think that as your statement implies: "and having been raised Catholic, I can judge." Rev. Laurel that you are more morally and ethically superior to them.

      p.s. Honors to all the Veterans!!!!!! And as being a Vet myself I Thank You as well for my all the Vets in my Family including my Great Grandfather a Civil War Vet, We all Thank You

      Here a saying John 8:7 He that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone or how about Matthew 7:1-2 Jesus says, “Judge not, or you too will be judged.

      What did Jesus say about not judging others?

      The famous quote “judge not” Referenced at the beginning of this devotional comes from one of Jesus’ teachings in the Bible in a book called The Gospel of Matthew. So what I’d like to do is read through His teaching line by line and then we’ll decide exactly what Jesus said and how it should apply to us today.

      Matthew 7:1-2 Jesus says, “Judge not, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

      In the first 2 sentences Jesus gives a very clear statement…“judge not” and then He gives a clear reason why “or you too will be judged...” Jesus’ command to not judge others is given as a motivation for us to avoid judgment ourselves. It’s important however for us not to stop the discussion there because Jesus didn’t. Let’s listen to the illustration Jesus used to clarify even further what He meant when He said “Judge not.” Matthew 7:3-5 “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

      So, what is Jesus teaching against? The mere act of judging others? No. Jesus didn’t teach against judging. He taught against a specific kind of judging. The type of judging he spoke against was a blind, ignorant, hypocritical, self-righteous judging that overlooks one’s own faults, failures and sins and only sees faults, failures and sins in other people. And the picture He uses is supposed to be kind of funny. There’s two guys in a wood shop…one guy looks at the other guy and says hey you’ve got some sawdust in your eye…all the while the dude’s got a 2x4 sticking out of his eye.

      The issue Jesus is going after is the pride that was in the people’s hearts which made it easy for them to see other people’s faults, but be blinded to their own. And notice what Jesus called them “you hypocrite.” Now, what’s a hypocrite? Someone who pretends to be something they aren’t. In the 1st century you usually only had one or two play actors would use different masks to play in different roles. They’d pretend to be something they weren’t. Here Jesus is going after people who wear a mask of piety over a heart that was judgmental, critical, and self-righteous toward others.

      Jesus wasn’t telling people not to judge. He was telling people not to be a hypocrite when you judge. He’d been speaking to a crowd about what true righteousness is. He’d been talking about issues of the heart and about what makes a person pleasing before God. He was teaching against people having a critical, condemning, self-righteous, judgmental attitude toward other people. It was what some people might call social or spiritual B.O. That pompous posture of looking down on others because you’ve got it all together and they certainly don’t. That kind of judgmentalism was found in the hearts of many of the religious leaders of Jesus’ day and among the crowd who was listening. And if we’re honest, it’s an attitude that’s present in our own hearts.

      If we’re honest, we find ourselves being critical people by nature. We tend to think that we see things rightly and that others are wrong. We tend to think that our reasonings and our perspectives are at least just a little better than people we disagree with. We seem to be quick to find fault and condemn people.

  1. Richard Lee Cornell's Avatar Richard Lee Cornell

    Lie the first Catholic this one will be killed by Harris, die from a chicken bone or find that Nancy Pelosi has used the 25th to oust his body for office. 70 million other Americans told him to drop dead or in similar words he is full of brown stuff. Next week he will say words from the Quran then the Torah then from Buddha writings. Sorry Joe, Jesus, the Prophet, Buddha and Adam could be standing next to you and being a evil person by your standards, I say upon thee these four letter words. ****. %%%%. @@@@. and so fourth.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      Did you forget to take your medicine Richard Lee Cornell

  1. Reverend Lisa Smith's Avatar Reverend Lisa Smith

    What you fail to realize is while there were segments of the African American community that supported this crime bill. The Black Caucus didn't. They knew of the racial disparities in the law.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      It’s also true that a majority of the Congressional Black Caucus supported the legislation, though then-President Bill Clinton had to meet with the CBC to garner enough votes to get the bill over the finish line. The Baltimore Sun reported on Aug. 18, 1994, that at least three members of the caucus had switched their votes after meeting with Clinton at the White House. Before that meeting, “10 of the 38 black Democrats in the House voted against him when the crime bill, in an embarrassing setback for the administration, failed on a procedural motion. They were protesting the application of the death penalty to 60 more crimes,” the Sun reported.

      Nearly 40 African American religious leaders released a statement supporting the bill, saying: “While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill’s goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children.” And 10 African American mayors wrote to the chairman of the CBC, Rep. Kweisi Mfume, pledging their support for the bill, even if it lacked a racial justice provision the White House was prepared to give up to get more votes for the legislation. That provision would have allowed defendants to appeal a death sentence by submitting data that suggested a racial bias in death sentencing in a jurisdiction. “We cannot afford to lose the opportunities this bill provides to the people of our cities,” the mayors wrote, according to the Los Angeles Times on July 15, 1994.

  1. Pastor Chris slocum's Avatar Pastor Chris slocum

    To put a hyme in a speech is like saying I don't care long as I get the vote .well I hope he's saved my by the lord jesus Christ

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      It’s an interesting story and concept isn’t it? I wonder if the Jesus guy was real! I think it’s possible but there were a lot of charismatic messianic people around during those times.


      1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

        This is one of those off topic posts you make so often LH, that really does not do you credit. Its like you are utterly ignorant of the vast amount of actual historical material that makes it pretty hard to dismiss there being a man behind the myth. Nor is that some big deal. One of those things so many both among the extremes of the faithful, and those who fear faith like yourself LH have in common, is this odd idea that if one had 100% proof Jesus born in Bethleham was it some how is a big deal. Its no more or less relevant then that Joeseph Smith was a real man, or the legion of those who have been deemed the living incarnation of the Budah.

        When you spout something like this LH it makes you seem woefully foolish, as it is the kind of thing that is a genuine waste of words. Saying something like there are those who dont think the man jesus was ever real are no different then those who say the man Alexander son of Phillip was not real. There is even a Jesus listed on roman documents being cruicifed around the time we figure it happened. Again this does not prove one thing divine, but it is not being skeptical to question as you do, but downright pointless to spout things like you so often do. There is no hmuor, nor clever quip nor subtle point being made in your above post. Just the ramblings of a man that seems far more ignorant of basics of history.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Thanks for your thoughts lImenheru. I’m sure there is a very good chance the biblical Jesus was real. Being born from some sort of deity to a woman that was a virgin is of course a long imaginary stretch.

          I actually don’t fear faith like you suggest, I’ve been there. I do use faith though especially when I cross a road, or board an airplane, but that faith is based on logic and science that there’s a good chance I will get to the other side of the road, or my destination.

          I’m sure many were crucified, and it wouldn’t surprise me if someone called Jesus was one of them. As for raising from the dead.....well, c’mon, you think I’m foolish with my remarks??? But again, it’s a fun story that many love to think is true even though there’s no evidence.

          So, I see your remarks are much more of a man that seems ignorant of evidentiary facts than me being ignorant of “true” history.


          1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

            No LH I am saying you in your foolish ignorance actually do the opposite. By continuing to act a doubting thomas to the existence of a man named Jesus, you actually help feed into the myth of a living god and prophet named Jesus.

            If you just accept there was a man, and that is all he was, it actually will put you on the high ground when you try to tackle christains and try to get them to see some form of reason. Getting someone to accept that maybe the guy was just really awesome and smart and humane and what not, is way easier then convicning a die hard zealot he is just a pure fiction.

            Was he a pure fiction it is not beyond all possibility. He could also be what we call a historical amalgam like the character of Ragnar Lothbrock in the tv show Vikings. When names got used just about every generation ina family it can create the sense when viewed in history as one man living long and doing much, rather than many short lived men who may of done a small but momentous thing here and there.

            Imagine for example had Eric the Red named his son Eric Ericson instead of Lief. and if Erik had been called Erik Erikson rather than The Red, it would make things for us these centuries later very hard to decern which is being spoken of in the sagas at times.

            We know that at least some of the events concerning Jesus described in the bible do seem to by non biblical sources be confirmed. This includes his crucifixition, and his attack on a roman temple guard. And these are important, because in the case you as werll as I like to make with the Christian types on these fourms, it paints him as a man. Now Romans are well known to play up and heap all sorts of greatness on those they defeat because it made them only look the greater. If they had any reason at all to think Jesus some divine entity they would happily have said that while nailing him to the cross.

            Since they did not, it stands to reason whoever this man was, he wasnt all that great because the Romans did not write the bible ending with and then the romans nailed the son of their god to a cross and watched him die slowly for days.

  1. Phillip L Troudt's Avatar Phillip L Troudt

    obviously the concept of Love thy Neighbor is not among this group. When you can bash each other for your political views it is obvious the only god you serve is yourself. Where is the tolerance that each of the faiths represented here is supposed to be so proud of? And to think the ULC tolerates this behavior by so-called ministers is appalling. I am ashamed of each of you, you represent hypocrisy very well.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      Two things that most people disagree on is religion and politics. So you better get used to it.

    2. Anisahoni's Avatar Anisahoni

      Phillip, I agree with you. I have seen some disgraceful comments and posts both here and on the Minister's Network where trolls are allowed to harass, bully, use foul language, name call other ministers and post racist memes. One just joined with the moniker of "Writeous motherfu*ker" and it is spelled out, not bleeped with an asterisk like I have. It is shocking to me that this is allowed. My question is why does ULC allow this type of trash and trolling? I am seeing more ordained "ministers" who behave like they live in cesspools and not spiritually or religiously committed. Some topics are certainly bound to bring out strong emotions and at times people forget their manners, but the ULC has some responsibility for monitoring trolls who are only about causing chaos, arguments and harm to others. I have written 3 comments to you Phillip about this and non have been posted. I wonder why. Truth should not be censored. It is time for ULC to stop being complicit about trolls and take action.

      1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

        Really! it' odd so far I haven't seen this "Writeous" person you wrote about

  1. Richard Lee Cornell's Avatar Richard Lee Cornell

    Heard that JFK got a phone called from the Pope at that time about the Catholics in Viet Nam who were being attack by Buddhist in major cities. That could JFK send troops to protect them. JFK replied by sending troops and 60,000 American dead later American left with their tail between their legs. Wonder what to be President Harris has to say about Biden except that he is gone in two months.

    1. T Kosse`'s Avatar T Kosse`

      That just delusional wishful thinking on your part, that has no real basis in reality and therefore will never happen, so just forget about it.

  1. Stanley Alan Marchand's Avatar Stanley Alan Marchand

    One thing for sure this Biden is a real thief .

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