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Are the majority of Christians today even Christian?

Breaking news: America’s most popular faith is “fake Christianity.” That’s the conclusion reached by researchers at Arizona Christian University, after assessing a recent poll of America’s religious landscape.

The poll and subsequent report, titled ‘American Worldview Inventory 2021’, offered some insights on Christianity in America today that could have serious implications for the future. Researchers found that young people are increasingly adopting a new worldview – which they call Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (MTD) – on which to base their values and make decisions. 

What is Moralistic Therapeutic Deism? Depends who you ask. Pollster George Barna, head of the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, calls it “fake Christianity.”

Feel-Good Faith

“Watered-down, feel-good, fake Christianity,” Barna stated, “is the most popular worldview in the United States today,” with some 44% of Millennials identifying it as their dominant worldview over other common philosophical outlooks like Biblical Theism or Postmodernism. 

Breaking it down, Barna says it's a philosophy about being kind and feeling good, guided by a belief in a distant, uninvolved God.

“Basically, according to MTD, there is a distant God who just wants everyone to be nice, and the purpose of life is to be happy.” But, he says, “American ‘Christians’ who have adopted this philosophy have… elevate[d] personal definitions of right and wrong above any objective standard of Truth — like the Bible.”

According to Barna and others like him, this "watered-down" belief system is a farce, a betrayal of traditional Christian principles that have been pillars of the faith since its inception. 

God's Way or the Highway?

Although three out of four MTD adherents still self-identify as Christian, they hold decidedly unbiblical beliefs, according to Barna.

He cites a number of statistics to back up his claim: 71% of poll respondents say the Bible might not be accurate communication from God, 74% believe in karma, and 75% do not believe that God is the source of all truth.

“The fact that a greater percentage of people who call themselves Christian draw from [MTD] than from the Bible says a lot about the state of the Christian church in America, in all of its manifestations,” Barna argues.

According to Barna, Christians who “do not believe in the creation story, reject the existence of absolute moral truth, [and] deny the existence of the Holy Spirit” can hardly be called Christians at all. "Simply and objectively stated, Christianity in this nation is rotting from the inside out.”

Is Change a Good Thing?

However, others don't see it that way. Just because a religion has taught something for centuries doesn't automatically mean that it's the correct belief, say defenders of Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (or whatever you prefer to call it). 

Is it possible that the Bible got things wrong? Or that the lessons were simply interpreted incorrectly? 

Our society's moral compass has evolved enormously just over the past 50 years, and many appear to believe that religious views should evolve along with the times. 

What do you think? Is Christianity actually "rotting from the inside," or is there room in the church for young people to approach their faith in a different way?


  1. Chris's Avatar Chris

    Yes, absolutely "Fake Christianity" is huge. But I disagree on what is considered "Fake." The stuff being touted by Alt-Right Trumplican Fundigelicals is what I consider fake. Jesus was a Socialistic guy who believed in helping others even if they were different from you. He preached love and acceptance. What these fake Fox News followers do is exactly the opposite of what Christ told us to do. There's your "Fake Christianity" not the ones who believe in acceptance and tolerance.

    1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

      From KTSA.com

      Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” First, let’s look at a Gospel setting in which Christ absolutely endorses self-defense. “But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into (Luke 12:39). ” Isn’t Jesus saying here that violence – or certainly the threat of violence – is not just the reasonable, but even the responsible, option to take in protecting one’s property, never mind one’s person or one’s family? Then, we have this next quotation from the Gospel of Mark: “But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his goods unless he first binds the strong man (3:27).” Now, why would the bad guy have to bind the strong man? Obviously, because the strong man would otherwise do all he could to keep the bad guy out! And again, that’s just to protect property. As if to confirm Mark’s Gospel, we find these additional words of Christ in the Gospel of Luke: “When the strong man, fully armed, guards his courtyard, his property is undisturbed (11:21).” In case anyone still doesn’t get the point, it is not enough simply to defend yourself when the situation arises; you should be armed and ready to defend even your property. And this, of course, is what Jesus told his disciples to do shortly before he was taken prisoner when he told them to make sure they had swords: arm yourselves and be ready. “TURN THE OTHER CHEEK” ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to “turn the other cheek” in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23). The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: “What’s interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]….If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand….To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent.” The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian’s personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist. In terms of following Christ’s example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God’s will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God’s timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ’s unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection. THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth (“The LORD of hosts”–Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints–nor even Jesus–are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14). Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.

      1. Chris's Avatar Chris

        There is a vast difference between self-defense and being hateful and violent toward others.

        That said, your response serves to show some of the many contradictions in the bible. So if you believe your god wants you to treat others with hate and violence and not love, you've got a crap god.

        1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

          There is only One God. Yes,the BIBLE is full of contradicts because it was written by men who wanted to control the people through fear,but there is nothing wrong or evil in protecting one’s home, it country from invasion even when that invasion is disguised as imagination for the purpose of destroying one’s way of life. It's happening now whether you believe it or no. I see it everyday.

          1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

            Depends on your religion. Many religions have many Gods.

            1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

              There are no so many gods, but Almighty is worshiped by people, in different form as people deem it appropriate to their liking.

              What Lord KrishNa says ‘pray only to him’ is indicative that there is only one Almighty.

              1. Tom's Avatar Tom

                If you are referring to Krishna of the Hindu faith, to say he is the supreme being of the faith is a bit of an oversimplification as there are a number of different sects of Hinduism and a number of them do not view Krishna as the primary deity.

                There are also a number of faiths that do not believe in a supreme deity such as Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, Santeria, Paganism, and traditional African faiths.

              2. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

                I'm very aware of that!

              3. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

                Yes indeed. Key word here is " believe"! We don't "know" until we know. Believing in something is good like Believing in "flat earth", "hollow earth", "UFOs"... Believing dosen't make it so, and we will know when we know! LOL

              4. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                Um you do know the US Military has stated that UFO's are real right? They never stated they were little green men flying them, just that they are real.

      2. Geoffrey Thomas Byrd's Avatar Geoffrey Thomas Byrd

        In that long answer about taking arms to defend oneself, what is being said is to take up physical arms or violence against violence. What Jesus taught was we are at war with spiritual powers. He spoke in parables. When the thief comes Satan is the thief, liar and murder, Jesus wants us to be watchful. Watchful for our spirits. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Christians are foreigners to this world. The liar, the thief is here to steal our souls. Jesus tells us to pray and be watchful that we aren't robbed of what matters most. To lay our treasure up in heaven. All life is precious. Isn't that why people are against abortion? So,someone is going to kill someone over material goods? Things that rust and moths eat? If, an actual human thief is going to steal from you, your TV is worth more than that person's life? The rain falls on the just and the unjust. Jesus came to save the sinner. We are not to be the judge of whose right and whose wrong, who dies and who doesn't. It was mentioned that Jesus allowed himself to be scourged and exectued because he had a higher calling. That right there is manipulation of the gospel. We are called to be perfect even as our Father is perfect. We are called to be like Jesus. We are called not to be like the Pharisee who give mint and herbs as tithes but forget to display mercy and grace. If, someone wants to call his brother Raca, he's in the wrong. Jesus spoke about seeds and different kinds of soil, then he explained the parables and why he spoke in parables to the disciples. The examples of being watchful and not allowing the thief to take over, your heart and mind. That to watch because the "demon" will come back with 7 stonger "demons." Don't take a line and use that as reference to justify a want. Don't take the line when Jesus says God made man and woman in his image when the Pharisee were trying to tempt Him about divorce as a reason to persecute homsexualtiy. That was a teaching about divorce and how Mosaic Law and Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of men's hearts. Which Jesus teaches not an eye for an eye but a heart of flesh, to love God with all your heart, mind body and soul and to love your brother as yourself. And, who is your brother? The teaching of the man beaten and robbed on the road to Jerico, who had a Priest and Pharisee step over him, ignoring him but a Samaratian picked him up, placed him on his donkey and paid for his room at an inn and for his care there. is how you decide on whose your brother and living as follower of Jesus.

      3. Angelique D. Chelton's Avatar Angelique D. Chelton

        All of your "righteous violence" examples come from the Old Testament. Jesus said to turn the OTHER cheek when you are struck on the right- meaning 'do not defend and allow others the opportunity to assault you again.' Also, the parable of the thief and the house describes what that homeowner would have done- not what God was telling Christians to do. Finally, Jesus allowed Himself to be unfairly executed. He said repeatedly, He could have defended Himself at any time (My Father would send legions of angels) and He chose not to- the choice of non-violence was a revolutionary point.

        1. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

          Plus if Jesus had not allowed himself to be executed he would not have saved the souls of mankind. Or so the story goes. This opens many ideas such as: Did Judas really betray Jesus or was he just playing his part? If he had not sold Jesus out, then again souls would not have been saved. Same with Peter denying Jesus 3 times. If these events do not happen, the story goes down a much different path.

      4. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

        Nothing you listed is considered a part of actual biblical tradition by non biased historians. It is well documented that the man called Jesus, and those who actually followed him, practiced a 100% non violent way of life, Unlike the tripe added in later intentionally altered versions of the bible, we have a fair amount of roman historical accounts of early christians being unwilling to raise voice or hand in protests of their own executuions. A true follower of Jesus would sooner pray for the man raping and murdering their wife then raise a voice in protest.

        To truly follow the teachings of the Christ, one must be so certain of their faith they do not place value upon their life only their soul and the souls of others, even those who do them violence and murder. If you do not have that certainty than you are not in fact a follower of the Christ, and as such as a wishy washy fake theist we dont have to treat you with anything but contempt and disgust.

        1. Rev, Rene L.'s Avatar Rev, Rene L.

          Or if you are such a devout Christian you could treat them with love in your heart???

          1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

            And what did I say that makes you think I am in any way shape or form a follower of the man that was called Jesus, who some choose to believe was a messiah based on an acneint prophecy dreamt up by inbred goat herders?

            I am a student of history incluuding biblical history, and the accounts of Romans concerning his likely existence are held among the most valued of artifacts from that era confirming such. However just as the founders of other faith traditions, he was not in my mind anything special, and it always amuses me that those who cling to their faith have a hard time understanding that numerous faith traditions founders are well documented and their existence ar less in question such as the ancient prince of India who became the first to be seen as one who had reached enlightenment.

            The best evidence for his existence, said roman accounts,also support the earliest writings, of a true way of living free of any desire to do violence, even in defense of oneself and their loved ones. Which I actually respect even if it in no way appeals to me. I do not however hold one bit of respect for anyone calling themselves christians but being unwilling to live by those ancient traditions.

    2. robert's Avatar robert

      Sounds like you are butt sore to me but folks of your caliber really think that idiot in office now is so great with his obviously cognitive problems

    3. Elaine Jones's Avatar Elaine Jones

      Christianity is cruel, judgmental, and used to manipulate! Some of the most corrupt people I have ever had the misfortune to meet or see in our society, call themselves a Christian.

      1. Ken Morrow's Avatar Ken Morrow

        Without condemnation for ALL sin, grace and forgiveness (love) have NO significance; and certainly no restorative value. This is the entire point of libertine secular humanism (hedonism): if nothing is wrong, we don't need forgiveness. But without the necessity for grace and mercy, love quickly dies and the soul becomes cruel and bitter. Redemption and enlightenment...whichever you seek...begins with a truthful assessment of ourselves. Anything else truly IS an "opiate for the masses."

    4. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

      Why do people on the left always have to make things political? Leave Trump out of this!

    5. flugo's Avatar flugo

      'crass': To avoid further embarrassment, you ought to do your homework instead f petrifying the site with erroneous blather!

      Jesus demonstrated His hatred for sin, judged/rebuked sinners (and told us to do the same).

      And, you show me ONE place in the Bible where Jesus 'tolerated' sin!

      1. John D. Partin's Avatar John D. Partin

        Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, after he had driven those who wanted to stone her away by telling them to stone her only if they had no sins, "Woman, is there anyone here who has condemned you? Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more". That wasn't hatred for sin or judging or rebuking her, but only understanding and dealing mercifully with her. If judging and rebuking people is really the right way to go, why didn't Jesus just let the crowd go ahead and stone her to death? That would have been their judging and rebuking her, which you say is "right" and "what we should do". Jesus told the woman who washed his feet with her tears and dried them with her hair out of repentance over her sins at the Pharisee's house "Woman, your sins are forgiven you because of the greatness of your love" and didn't let the Pharisees just judgingly and rebukingly throw her out of the house. He didn't judge or rebuke that woman, either, but treated her with kindness and forgiveness. So much for "Jesus always wants us to only judge and rebuke people's sins", which his own example here disproves. The Inquisitors and witch burners also believed in a judgmental and rebuking Jesus, the same as you do, who wanted them to do the same, and we saw what torture and murder of people all that lead to!! They couldn't have done any of that if they had followed Jesus' teaching to "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". So, why don't you believe in loving your neighbor as yourself and doing unto others as you would have others do unto you and judging not lest you be judged, as Jesus said? Or, if you can't believe in any of that, believe in just going out and stoning all sinners to death, as the judgmental people did to others in Jesus' time?

        1. flugo's Avatar flugo

          'fartin': 'Jesus always wants us to only judge and rebuke people's sins.' ALWAYS? ONLY? Where'd you get that lame-brained idea?

          Jesus DID tell us to rebuke in Luke 17:13; and to judge rightly in John 7:24. He Himself judged/rebuked in Matthew 7:6,15-16, 23:23. And in I Corinthians 2:14-15 we're given guidelines on judging.

          Your comments are the epitome of poor scholarship, bias, and/or ignorance.

          1. John D. Partin's Avatar John D. Partin

            Flugo Marx, where did I get that lame-brained idea of judging and rebuking people's sins ALWAYS and ONLY? From the lame brain (you!!) who said it!! "Jesus demonstrated His hatred for sin, judged/rebuked sinners (and told us to do the same). And you show me ONE place in the Bible where Jesus 'tolerated' sin". We are all very happy that you have finally admitted that you are a lame brain because that could be the start of your coming into something like any intelligence and normalcy, if you are even capable of it!! I showed you two places in the Bible where Jesus didn't judge or rebuke people's sins, but showed them mercy and compassion, instead, which you could take a lesson from!! You haven't answered yet why you don't love your neighbor as yourself or do unto others as you would have others do unto you, as your picking childish names for people in here proves that you don't, when you wouldn't want that to be done to you!! That also violates Jesus' teaching "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me". Since you are always harping on what you think that Jesus said, to suit yourself, why not follow that teaching and loving your neighbor and doing unto others what you want done unto you, too, and stop your immature name-calling!! Are you 5 years old or mentally challenged or what?!! I gave you examples of people who judged and rebuked other people (the Inquisitors, witch burners, and crowd that wanted to stone the adulterous woman), who followed your advice of judging and rebuking people's sins. So, should we be following their examples, according to you, and going around killing sinners? Because you can't have it both ways: it's either love and forgive sinners or kill and attack sinners. Which is it? Don't strain yourself too hard answering that question.

            1. John D. Partin's Avatar John D. Partin

              Before you come back with another one of your name-calling, anti-Christian, ridiculous, and hypocritical replies, I could tell anyone else here that name-calling and insulting, as you always do, is childish and immature and inconsistent with Jesus' teaching to Love your neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you would have others do unto you, and his saying that "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me", and they could understand what I was saying to them and that that is immature behavior and contrary to Jesus' teaching. But when I tell you all that, all that you do is keep coming back with more of that behavior toward other people and myself, proving that you didn't understand that that is immature and inconsistent with Christianity or just don't care that it is, as your reply to this and my post above will prove once again!! If you are as smart as all these other people, as you claim, why don't you understand what they all understand about your behavior and change it accordingly? When you keep refusing to change your behavior here, no matter how much people tell you that it is immature and anti-Christian, what else can we believe, except that you aren't smart enough to figure that out or agree with obvious common sense about it? The proof is in the pudding of whether you are smart or not, not in your saying that you are, but in your agreement with the other smart people here about your stupid behavior and ceasing that stupid behavior!! So, now, let's see what your reply will be!!

              1. flugo's Avatar flugo

                'fartin: Jesus DID judge and rebuke the woman caught in adultery. The judgement/discernment took place before He announced forgiveness; and the admonition to not sin further is a rebuke. You seem to have trouble with the basics of scholarship and study application.

  1. Teej Johnson's Avatar Teej Johnson

    I don't think it's fake. I think it's how all religions ought to be. Religion ought to act as a framework for making our lives and the lives of those around us better. If someone following a religion doesn't do that, then, to me, they have missed the forest for the trees by being religious for the sake of being religious.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      Religion IS fake, it was created to control people. Do you really need religion to be a good person? Look at all of the wars caused by religion. Don't you think if we got rid or religion the world would be a more peaceful better place?

      1. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

        “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg

      2. Teej Johnson's Avatar Teej Johnson

        No, you don't need religion to be a good person. Religion, to me, acts as a way to teach people morals and allow people to help themselves and others. If someone misses that lesson, which is the core tenet of every religion, and you practice religion to hate others, and turn religion into a battle between "us" the righteous and "them" the nonbelievers then the religion has been corrupted. Unfortunately, there are many people who corrupt religion to that point, which is why I'm personally an agnostic. However if it is used correctly religion can be useful in instilling morals in people. It's not the only way by any stretch, but it is a way.

        1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          So you think the bibles teach good morals? The Bible says it’s ok to beat your slaves as long as they don’t die immediately. And rape victims should be forced to marry their attacker. These are not moral of a society I would want to be a part of.

          Can you explain Ezekiel 23:20? What moral value is this teaching? There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses

      3. Joseph F Martinez's Avatar Joseph F Martinez

        Exactly when was the last Religion war the USA was in

      4. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

        Only certain religions Douglas, such as christianity, and similar monotheistic religions.

  1. Clay Serenbetz's Avatar Clay Serenbetz

    A good example of fake Christians occurred at the CPAC. How many evangelicals worshiped at the golden statue in the image of Trump? This crystalizes fake Christianity. In this case, the cultish Trump worship that believes, as Trump does, that he is the "Chosen One". He doesn't even go to Church. See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JsAQj36gCU

    1. Ken Morrow's Avatar Ken Morrow

      Correct. God told the Israelites they were making a HUGE mistake asking for a king to rule over them. We've been paying for that mistake ever since. But here's the rub: we will continue to pay for it until JESUS RETURNS to make things right.

      1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

        Why would Jesus return to make it right?

    2. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

      There you go making things political.

  1. Gerardo Salazar's Avatar Gerardo Salazar

    I’ve seen so many people learning the Bible by heart and can quote by heart on every subject and this has always reminded me of 1 Corinthians 13:1: ‘If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.”

    Christianity is by definition the doctrine that adheres to Christ teachings which actually contradict the Old Testament quite often and as an example kindly read further.

    Old Testament: “Show no pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” – Deuteronomy 19:21 But Jesus contradicts this directly: Jesus: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.” – Matthew 5:38–39

    “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.” – Matthew 5:43-48

    Old Testament: ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.” – Leviticus 20:10 Jesus famously ignored this command when they brought the woman caught in adultery to him:

    Jesus: “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground….”Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.'” – John 8:3-11

    4) The Old Testament commands that no one do any work on the Sabbath: Old Testament: “But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do.” – Deuteronomy 5:14 Truth be told, no one breaks the Sabbath more than Jesus does. There are dozens of examples but here’s just one:

    Jesus: “Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked. The day on which this took place was a Sabbath” .

    God Almighty says] Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'” – 1 Sam. 15:2-3

    “But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction…” – Deut. 20:16-18 Can you imagine Jesus turning to you and commanding you to go next door and kill every man, woman, child, and even the pets of your neighbors? Does that sound like something Jesus would say? Does that sound like something that the “Abba” revealed by Jesus would command His children t Of course not. Therefore, we can conclude that verses like these are projections of God’s character made by men who sometimes heard from God prophetically and at other times [like these] did not.

    How can we know this? Because we know that the God revealed to us by Jesus would not command this sort of violence against women or children, nor would He condemn someone for showing mercy and compassion on the weak and the helpless. The Father that Jesus reveals to us does not command us to kill our enemies or their infants. Instead, He commands us to love our enemies, to bless them, to do good to them, and to pray for them and if we refuse then, obviously, we are not following His Teachings and therefore we are not good Christians. Enemy means not a soldier but could be someone with different skin colour, an immigrant looking for a job or perhaps a young unmarried girl expecting a child. Yes, we must love and protect them, not stand in judgement with a soul full of hatred. This is not the Christian way of doing things.

    He even tells us that when we do those things, we are also doing exactly what the Father does! We have not yet fully embraced the idea that Jesus was the only one who has ever seen God. We have not yet fully accepted the idea that Jesus reveals the Father to us better than anyone else does. We have not yet completely believed Jesus when He tells us that God loves and even blesses His enemies and that’s why we should do it, too

    1. Angelique D. Chelton's Avatar Angelique D. Chelton

      Excellent. Never before considered that we need to allow Jesus to be the True lense to examine the OT and to listen when He corrects. Very interesting.

  1. Angelique D. Chelton's Avatar Angelique D. Chelton

    It's funny- when I read about "fake Christianity" I immediately assumed it was talking about Evangelical Nationalism- a kind of "Christianity" that mixes colonialism and American nationalism and resembles cultural Judaism. For example, most Evangelical Nationalists will defend the US Constitution and capitalism as strongly as their particular understanding of the Bible (that they will insist is literal, although it's actually selective). Like the Taliban, they want to enact a "Christian" moral theocracy and enforce their particular world view through legislation.

    It's interesting to me how common it is to have people claim they are the one real arbiter of truth, while others have the same belief. Maybe a little more humility and grace and a little less rabid dogma is in order?

  1. Bishop William Dusenberry, DD's Avatar Bishop William Dusenberry, DD

    Christianity, like all other religions, is based on a “fakeness-foundation.”

    Why? Because the sole basis (AKA, primary evidence) that supports an actual “Jesus” came from Christian-hater Saul, who morphed into “Christian-zealot Paul” via his trip to Damascus, called “Paul’s conversion to Jesusism” while he was on the road to Damascus.

    That’s right - without Saul, having a hallucination (imagined, fabricated, or due to using magic mushrooms) from which he created Jesus— there would no Jesus today; and if Jesus had never existed, neither would have Muhammad, the Angel Maroni, nor the Holy Ghost.

    Those requiring a fact-based religion, need to consider secular Buddhism, the secular Christianity of Thomas Jefferson, the Bible according to Einstein, or the Pantheism as advocated by both Spinoza and Einstein,

    It’s interesting that today’s major Jesus advocates - are the most outspoken opponents of Communistic/socialism — yet, when they die, if they still accept Jesus as real, they’ll be rewarded with a Christian Heaven, with a dictator; without any civil rights.

    Everyone, in the Christian Heaven, will never have to work, will always be housed, fed and have access to birth control, because those in such a Heaven, can’t have sex, if reproduction is possible,

    So if any ULC minister, requires a fact-based religion, Pantheism and Buddhism are recommended.

    1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

      Um sorry but you are wrong. IN the Museum of London there is a stone that shows Israel being where it is now and a whole lot larger, over 2000 years BC. And there is a little box that has been dated to the exact year that Christ was supposed to have died on the Cross, and it clearly mentions his name. Now try and refute these objects. You cant.

      1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

        Ah DG still showing us you do not understand how science or critical thinking even work. A name inscirbed on something, when that name was as common as a name could be back that means nothing. Literally 80% of the jews in that region at that time were named Jesus. It is the single most common jewish name right up until the rise of the cult to the Christ, that lead to them banning that name as heretical.

        And I doubt you even understand what you are trying to say about a stone. As stones cant be carbon dated, and inscriptions can be faked, it is not even so much as circumstantial evidence as it can not even be traced to a legitimate dig sight. It could very easily be a modern fabrication from some lunatic like yourself.

        See here is how easy it is to dismiss all you believe. If you can not offer god himself in physical form to appear at your side on command, then your faith is false and means nothing to anyone but yourself. This is what it means to be a secular minded citizen of the U.L.C. and until you accept that a belief system is a personal thing with nothing of subtance to offer any b ut yourself, you will remain an enemy of all that are good and remain an agent of the ancient enemy that is insular faith in all its forms.

        1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

          I DO understand Science Turkey, I just cant understand people like you who refuse to see the facts right before their eyes because it will destroy the little bubble they have been living in their whole life.

      2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Are you refer to the James ossuary Daniel? If you are, the Israeli Antiquities Authority have declared it a modern forgery. There are some that like to think it’s real. Clearly, if you are referring to this box, there is a very mixed school of thought among scholars, with not enough factual evidence to convince everyone.


        If you are referring to something different you could perhaps make reference to what you are referring to, to better substantiate your claim than just referring to “a little box”


        1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

          The one found in Israel WAS a forgery as it had modern tool marks on it. The one located in the Royal Museum in London does not have that problem.

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Perhaps you could clarify and reference "the box" you are referring to, like I did for the one in Israel. Presumably, if it is not classed as a fake, there must be copious amounts of scholarly material to read through on "the box" supporting your claim?


            1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

              The ossuary is in the London Museum, in the same section as The Merneptah Stele which validates the enslavement of Israel, just like the bible stated.

              1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                It's interesting that I can't find any online reference in the London History Museum, of such a very important box. A museum that I've visited many times when I lived in England. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

                As for the Merneptah Stele, there are different alternative translations for the wording of Israel. Another translation is Jesreel.

                It's also stated that "It is not clear who this Israel was or where they were located" according to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

                Wouldn't it be nice, if there really was a god of Israel, or any god, if he actually turned up to put everyones mind at rest. Surely an omniscient deity worthy of that status would know of all the struggles of doubt with all the many beliefs of all the wrong gods being worshipped. I guess that's just not going to happen, and I think if we were honest we all know why.

                Anyway, let us all know if you ever come across any undisputed proof of a god. Any god will do. You could be in line for a Noble prize if you do, as you will be the first. I wish you luck.

                Can you imagine if someone found real demonstrable evidence of a god, and it didn't turn out to be the Abrahamic god after all the millions of hours people spent nodding at that wall. It doesn't bear thinking about how they'd react does it?


              2. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                So you are saying that you cant find the box, even when it sits less then 10 feet from the The Merneptah Stele rock? Sorry Lionheart I find that hard to believe. Thats like you going to london and then saying you cant find Buckingham Palace.

              3. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Nope, so perhaps you can point me to an online peer review of this little box, or are you going to find that just as difficult as finding evidence of your god, or do you just have “faith” that this spurious little box exists?

                Bottom line: If you can’t provide a peer review of your little box that shows a date and the name of someone called Jesus on it, indicating the Jesus of the Bible, your claim won’t be worth anything.


              4. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                Already told you where to find it. Are you admitting that you need a guide dog now?

              5. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                I no longer live in the UK Daniel to visit the museum, so perhaps you could be so kind as to post here the peer reviews of said box for all of us here in this blog that live elsewhere to read about it.

                You now have me thinking there isn't any, but I'll wait in the hope that you will locate something online for us all to connect with and believe your claim. For something of this importance there has to be some documentation, right? In fact, I would think there must be masses of information.Take your time!


              6. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                I already told you where it is and I find it quite funny that you can seemingly find the stone and it being exactly where I said it was, but you seemingly cant find a simple stone box (ossuary) that sites less then 10 feet away?

              7. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Okay, I get it. You can’t find any information online at all for any of us to review. That’s why you keep alluding to ‘where it is”, even though you know most of us are in a different country and so won’t be able to validate your claim.

                Likewise, we all find it quite funny you can’t find any “online information” about it to corroborate your story for those of us that have no way to visit the UK.


              8. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                So you are saying that you cant use a search engine or even bother sending an email to the London Museum? I would not be bragging about your lack of computer abilities if I were you Lion.

              9. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                It’s okay. I think we all totally get it. Why don’t you own up to being a fraud by attempting to send people on a wild goose chase on something that doesn’t exist. Either come up with the goods to prove your claim or carry on with your strawman.

                You’ll be saying next you have even more proof of a god but can never provide any evidence expecting people to try and do your dirty work for you.

                If you are going to make claims you better be able to come up with the hard online evidence to prove it.

                Your next comment to me will be your usual goose chase strawman. Even you can’t provide any online evidence let alone anyone else, and you know it. You have no credibility Dan.


              10. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                yea Lion, its ok that you refuse to check with the London Museum as that would destroy your claims when they give you proof of the box. So keep on doing what you are doing. And the people reading this will know what to make of your posts.

              11. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Okay, I checked, and they say they have no idea what you’re talking about, so now you not only have to prove it to me, and others, but you are going to have to prove it to the London Museum.

                Got any evidence Daniel, or are you just blowing smoke as usual?


              12. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

                Seems YOU are the one blowing Smoke Lion. Finkel, Hoppe, MacGinnis, Porter, Ray, Simpson, Taylor, Fraser and Tubb have all said to a person that they have had absolutely NO questions presented to them about the ossuary sitting in the same section as The Merneptah Stele stone. Nice try Lion but it is clear who is the one blowing smoke. Say hello next time you pass a mirror

  1. robert's Avatar robert

    All religion is man made, along with a bunch of man made rules, God our creator is not concerned if you go to church or how many Hail Marys one says but what is ones heart! In other words that persons level of spirituality! I know what happened to me, my spiritual experience, it was real and I was there , so in that way I can say there is another side and it isn’t how it has been laid out by mankind.

    1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

      There is no creator god, and in fact to suggest there is only one god is an act of hatred and bigotry towards members of all pantheons. It actually even is enough of a hate crime to allow a citizen in the U.S. to invoke stand their ground laws as they can say you made them fear you meant to do violence to them based on your insane insular rhetoric which by definition is an action in opposition to the ideals and laws of the U.S.

      Perhaps meditate on that truth, that you could legally be killed by someone for the madness you let past your lips.

      1. John Norris Campbell's Avatar John Norris Campbell

        Perhaps you could PROVE that there is no god, Mr.Terikson. Asking someone to 'meditate on YOUR truth' is too much to ask when you offer no truth of your own besides your own opinion.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    Nimby, the bible is one of those childish things that I put away very many years ago, and only take out when I need rolling papers, or something to defecate on. Try reading Mother Goose. It's much more factual.

    1. Robert Wilson's Avatar Robert Wilson

      Carl Carl Clean it up. Maybe you or some one else. Would like to author a bible ?. Bigger or better To include what you do with it personally ? I’m sure it would be a best seller. ?

      God bless Rev Robert Wilson

  1. CB Cuff's Avatar CB Cuff

    Christianity is devolving into political correctness. That's what Americans need to extinguish. Free thinkers need to stand their ground and challenge such narrowmindedness.

  1. Jennifer Bryant's Avatar Jennifer Bryant

    Perception is Biology. Biology loosely runs it’s course through man-perceived religions, books and traditions. However, the spirit-soul is strong, running its course infinitely with God directly.

    All the human ideas, judgments, and misinterpretations of The Divine, only serve the self ego.
    True faith dwells in the heart-soul, not books or buildings.

    People’s faith and what they believe is No one’s business but, God’s. That’s what Separated humans from true unity in the first place… humans thinking they can do it better than God, the divine, and creation.

    May we all Step off the soap box and let the divine flow through As life, and just BE the Beings our souls know we are… instead of the people we think we are.

    Blessed awakenings, Rev. J. Bryant

  1. Stefano Di Stefano's Avatar Stefano Di Stefano

    Everyone Respect his belief

  1. Angel's Avatar Angel

    When it comes to religion, this is where Christianity failed miserbly. For the most part, Chrisianity is one of the "newer" religions and there was already a split in it's belief system (Catholic and Prodestant) an has continued to split from there. Where as more established religions were successful innot only creating a belief system, but has ingrained cultural and society norms. Many of these religions are not just a belief system, but a way to govern their society. Traditions and beliefs are passed down from generation to generation and the people are quite content with this way of life. Christianity was a religion that was passed down, it was created or foced upon people and alot of blood was spilled over it. In it's infancy and up until a couple of hundred centuries ago, people still died due to hysteria and panic. It's a fear-based religion and this fear shows. Christianity is also branched from a Middle Eastern religion of Judaism. Nobody can deny that Jesus was a Jew because that's what was claimed in the bible, therefore many of his beliefs rooted from Judaism. The Old Testiment is the Jewish history, so obviously, Jesus's views may be a littledifferent but still the basic belief foundation he held on to. And then their is interpretation. It's known that different religious leader's came together to piece mail the bible. Some things were ommitted and some things were added in orer to attempt to remain consitent. However, the bible changed at times when new leader's or governments were put into place and so there is no consistency. Christianity, as a whole, is a reflection of all of these things. You see the fear, the judging, the different interpretations. It is no longer a religion but a belief system, nothing more, nothing less and with belief system, it will be up for interpretation. Persoanlly, I think it's good idea for this to unravel and perhaps you will all see the insanity of this split belief system. If you want a religion to suceed, you have to engrain it into society as a whole, to live by one specific interpretations, and govern by it. Since the US is about freedom, this is also reflected in the religion and people now take advantage of believing whatever they want, leaving the religious aspect behind and in moving more into a spiritual and individual belief system, whether you like it or not.

    1. Angelique D. Chelton's Avatar Angelique D. Chelton

      🤔 So you're saying that compared to other religions Christianity allows pluralistic thinking and democracy and is LESS authoritarian than other faiths? Huh. Never thought of it that way before...

      1. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

        You are Confusing Religious Tradition with Spiritual Faith. Something I find odd if you are a ULC minister in good standing as that is a basic concept one should understand before becoming a nondenominational minister.

        To be an actual follower of a god requires one to submit to and adhere to the dogatic traditions it has established for itself.

        The reason for this issue ofcourse exist entirely because of how U.S. law is written, and to protect all faiths and spiritual leanings we force them to self label as religion even though they dont actually function in the same way.

        One ofcourse has to keep in mind Religion at its core is just another form of Government. It is a social structure created to manipulate, direct, and ultimately control the society that first created it.As the old saying goes did gods create us or we create our gods? Did social structure come from religion or religion created in the first tribes of humans as a way to define rules, and say yes we can do this, no we cant do that?

        We can only attempt to guess it all by studying examples of isolated and nearly neolithic cultures that survived to some extent into the time of history for us to try and make some idea up from all of it. The tribes of Aboriginals in Austraila for example are structured around one of what we might call most casual yet most also most thoroughly ingrained belief systems on Earth. With their conviction in the world being a living thing, and their animism clearly being born of a strong bond and dependancy on a harsh environment that made them both need to love what they could not seperate themselves from, and yet a need to be able to accept loss and hardship because they were truly inevitable parts of the yearly cycle of nature there in a way few you have had to experience.

        This seems true for certain groups of the tribes in the americas prior to the eurochristian invasion.

        A Dogmatic tradition like that of any of the Abrahamic Faiths literally becomes more fake the farther it seperates itself from those early traditions. This is why the rift between Jews and Christians exist, as the Rabbinical scholars who are the experts of the lore of their faith say no Jesus does not meet the many clearly outlined requirements to be the Messiah, and the Christians say oh well you just dont understand the thing you are the expert and authority of.

        For example here are just a couple. The messiah has to be born of a man who is of the direct line of King David. The Messiah will prove he is the messiah by bringing about true peace for all who live upon the world, every man, and every beast will stop shedding blood, and he will do this in his lifetime not by works that are completed after.

        The fact Christians call Jesus the son of god rather then the son of Joseph is part of this very issue, as Joseph was in fact said to be of the direct line of David, an heir to a fallen kingdom if you will. The fact Jesus most certainly did not end all violence on Earth and make even the beasts stop shedding blood tells us all that the Messiah was not he.

        Calling yourself something does not give you the right to start a church here in the U.S. we have some standards, not obstacles nor hurdles, just standards. Maybe too lax in fact, as we sure should not allow people to steal and usurp the names and gods of other traditions that are far older as that is just a clear con game.

        You can not learn if all you do is get what you know second hand, do not listen to what has been preached to you since you were a child, go travel this world and try to understand.

    2. Ken Morrow's Avatar Ken Morrow

      In your criticism, you actually highlighted the enduring strength of Christendom (the religion and cultural aspects). But...like so many people who post here...you miss the actual essence of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Yahweh didn't send Joshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) to earth in the form of a man to found a new religion or the contradict the scriptures of Judaism. He came to fulfill and complete the Law -- to improve upon its misinterpretations and misapplications as then practiced in Israel. Redemption lies ONLY in a personal relationship with Joshua of Nazareth (aka Jesus), the Jewish Messiah. It isn't membership in a social construct (a club, a political party, a business entity, or even swearing allegiance to a group of texts written and compiled and translated and...yes...edited by men) which lies at the heart of Christianity. It isn't a "world view." It is a relationship with the Living God of Israel; and that recreates EVERYTHING about us, including our world view.

  1. Woodrow's Avatar Woodrow

    Not all of them. Which ones are wanting a one world government and religion? Look around and see who they are.

  1. Rev Nolan's Avatar Rev Nolan

    First of all, I think the focus of the article is wrong. The focus should not be whether a religion is fake but what is true religion. True religion depends on what a religion is based on. If we base true religion on Abrahamic religion’s various scriptures, then God, as we call the Almighty, is love. If any part of the religion promotes anything less then, among the Abrahamic religions, that religion, whether of an individual or an organized system, is false religion.

    Secondary thought, the reality, attainability, and sustainability of the goal of that religion’s existence has to be considered. Is it realistic? Can it be attained? Will it sustain its following through good times as well as bad times? American Evangelical Christianity, based on what is visible and blatantly taught, is divisive, erring, in conflict with the teachings of their Christ, and violent. THAT is an example of false, unsustainable religion.

    Meanwhile, tertiary thought, true religion brings about harmony known in Arabic as salama and which is promoted using the word as an imperative: literally “Be harmonious!” or, in Arabic, Islām. Islām in her truest sense requires religion and science to be harmonious although religion is religion and science is science. Complete submission to the laws of nature and the universe also referred to as the Sovereign Laws of God involves community, stewardship, personal accountability, and responsibility. These are attainable goals when guided properly, and regardless of the name you give such a goal, it becomes pure religion. If any religion brings about discord, hatred, and violence to any degree, everyone is better without it.

    In conclusion, by focusing on what is fake, we have already admitted that our own religion is a false religion regardless of what we think of any form of Christianity in any community at home or abroad.

  1. John P Maher's Avatar John P Maher


  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    Predation and predatory churches are usually evident. If there's a venal or emotional or political reward being sold, an 8mposition or control of others, it's just another form of sales for gain and religion is just the particular form of predatory hook.

  1. Rev Mark D's Avatar Rev Mark D

    If it serves a self, then it is about the Self.

  1. Daniel Gray's Avatar Daniel Gray

    Sorry but Deism is not christianity and never could be called anything close to it.

  1. Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod's Avatar Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod

    So-called Christianity has been "rotting from the inside" since the days of idol-worshipping Emperor Constantine around 313 AD. Moralistic Therapeutic Deism is just another branch of the blind leading the blind, and the ditch for all is getting very close.

    The problem with the Childish mentality of the “scholar” George Barna, head of the un-Godly Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, is that he does not consider conservative Christianity “fake Christianity.”

    “When I was a Child, I spoke as a Child, I understood as a Child, I thought as a Child: but when I became a [WISE] MAN, I put away Childish things.” -1 Corinthians 13:11.

    Spiritual-Power!!! Knowledgeable Faith. I AM Nimrod.

  1. Carl Bernard Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Bernard Elfstrom

    I'm always glad to see another way that christianity is coming to an end. People are just starting to wise up, and identify more with Pagan beliefs. There are many walk-ins here to usher in the new age, and many more people are remembering and identifying with ancient lives and spiritual principles. The age of Aquarius is upon us, and I'm tickled pink to be incarnate in this world, at this time, to experience it. Blessed be!

  1. Brien's Avatar Brien

    All religion is made out of fictional tales told by man, meant to control thought and action. In some cases, also used to inspire action for a cause, either good or not. You cannot say this belief is fake and that one is real, they are all mostly fictitious with few facts thrown in to make them believable. Peace ☮️

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    Yes young people can approach their church from a different direction, and clearly many of them are. Heading out through the front door, back door, side door, any door they can find, and never coming back. As far as I can see, they all seem to be fake, all of them, world wide, relying on faith, because that's all they have got.


  1. John Condron's Avatar John Condron

    I truly hope Barna is right that "Simply and objectively stated, Christianity in this nation is rotting from the inside out.” It can't happen fast enough for me!

  1. William Diaz's Avatar William Diaz

    From where I'm sitting, it's silly to believe that Christianity has not evolved, My Two Cents!

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      Christianity doesn't believe in evolution.

      1. William Diaz's Avatar William Diaz

        "Christianity doesn't believe in evolution." This statement is false. I was using the word in reference to Christian thinking. The thinking has evolved. Today, the Church supports theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation they teach the fact that evolution occurs and the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is the scientific theory that explains how evolution proceeds. Everything comes from G-d.

        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

        Take care,


        1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

          If Christians do believe in evolution why do Christians have a long history of fighting it? I do like it that you are demonstrating how Christians can use the Bible to say anything they want. If you read genesis you’ll find over and over when God made everything it was good. Evolution means everything God created was not perfect. So which is it?

          1. William Diaz's Avatar William Diaz

            "So which is it?" You are providing a false dilemma. You present a choice between two mutually exclusive options, implying that there are no other options.

            G-d himself destroys his own creation. To destroy his creation is to say he didn't like it. But he said "it was good". "So which is it?"

            "why do Christians have a long history of fighting it?" You are again misstating the facts. Darwin's theory is only 160 years old and there are Christians who are scientist that except it as a fact.

            Many Christians are afraid to even suggest that the Bible could be wrong. Are they the lone proponents of truth in the midst of a perverted world of science? Or are there problems with their proposed evidences?

            Take care,


  1. Nikki Tate- Coates's Avatar Nikki Tate- Coates

    I think I'm gonna just sit this one out if it's okay with you guys! Blessed Be!

    1. Robert Wilson's Avatar Robert Wilson

      Amen but I did not read above way above. God bless Rev Robert Wilson

      Thank you NIKKI

  1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

    I've been thinking about this very seriously. I have noticed that mainline Christian churches have been losing congregants while churches with little or no affiliation to a larger organization seem to be flourishing.

    Our neighbor is a member of one such church and I made a connection today between her conversion to this church and her having read the "Left Behind Series" of books by LaHaye and Jenkins. While this series of books was a speculative journey for people that realize they missed the Rapture, a lot of people took them to show a means toward redemption. I read the entire series because my neighbor kept pushing them. I thought they were boring after the first three. And they didn't represent the teaching I had come to trust.

  1. Edward Pazier's Avatar Edward Pazier

    Dear Fellow Ministers,

    While this is true there are many 'FAKE' churches, all faiths must be respected as long as they are for the betterment of ALL sentient creatures in all universes.

    Profiteering off of ones spirituality uncertainty or even ones complete devotion is wrong and all who are participating it those type of 'Churches' are bound to spend eternity knowing they have done wrong when this life is done.

    This is self-evident if one has truly become spiritually enlightened.

    Minister, Edward Pazier "The Eden Group"

  1. Joseph F Martinez's Avatar Joseph F Martinez

    Most of you seen to do nothing but attack Christianity, funny how tolerant you hypocrites are

  1. Joseph F Martinez's Avatar Joseph F Martinez

    Most of you seen to do nothing but attack Christianity, funny how tolerant you hypocrites are

  1. Roberta Finlay's Avatar Roberta Finlay

    I believe in the 'Do No harm' rule. Who is to say what is the right or wrong way to love God? MTD followers as far as I understand are doing no harm. So in the words of John Lennon "Let it be"🙏❤😄

  1. William Fritz's Avatar William Fritz

    The current religion of America seems to be Football. If one looks at how it's organized, it follows a classic church heirarchy. It has great televangelist approach every Sunday. If you think about it, it covers the major sects normal meeting days and times. High School football in Friday, College football on Saturday, and Professional on Sunday. With games during the week you now have various degrees of bible study.

    Not my idea, read this thought years ago.

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      It’s not football anymore….. It’s video games and it’s not just on Friday, Saturday and Sunday but every day.

  1. Karen G Murinchack's Avatar Karen G Murinchack

    I bet he thinks Jesus was white too…

  1. P. Keith Benefiel's Avatar P. Keith Benefiel

    Apply Ockham's razor to the bible. Don't be selfish.

  1. John R. Goss, III's Avatar John R. Goss, III

    Notes on the science and art of polling:

    1. The wording of these questions seems to predicated on a specific world view (believed to be "true), so any response that does not support that "truth" is a bad thing. This is confirmation bias.
    2. The mission of the institute at this university (the one which conducted this poll) clearly has a mission of conversion to a specific worldview which should raise questions about the veracity of the findings This link: https://www.arizonachristian.edu/culturalresearchcenter/)

    This isn't good social science; it evangelism. To draw scholarly conclusions based on sloppy research is junk science. This is not about what is and is not "Christianity"; it's about what is and is not the organization's agenda. So stop arguing about bad science.

  1. John Casillo's Avatar John Casillo

    OMG.......reading the comments.......so many strong comments on how religion and God revolves around them.....relax....god is hopefully getting a good laugh.....we supposedly came from dirt.....shall we really argue whose dirt is better?...Rev john

    1. Douglas Robert Spindler's Avatar Douglas Robert Spindler

      We are stardust and when we die will become stardust once again.

  1. Amber Fry's Avatar Amber Fry

    Unfortunately, yes. Christianity was about following the teachings of Christ. It has turned into following all the other voices in the cannon, sometimes completely ignoring what Christ taught.

  1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

    I want to inform one and all,

    Jesus Christ never taught religion but the gospel of the Kingdom of God:

    As it is written, "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

    Anything else is under the law of sin and death.

    To God be the Glory!

  1. Alexander Clarke's Avatar Alexander Clarke

    The First Church of What's Happening Now.

  1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

    Ok, here it is in the proverbial nutshell: Some guy,gal,or thing comes down or up from wherever IT was from possibly sent by some other entity Greater than IT. A number of people embrace It's teachings or philosophy and create a movement that evolves into a Religion or faith or whatever you want to call it. Time passes... someone decides he or she doesn't like something so a split happens. Time passes... again another split...Time passes...etc,etc. After a while the Newest embodiment of the "religion"bears no resemblance to the original philosophy. So, what is true? Is it true because you "believe"? Is it not true because you do not "believe "? One can only follow one's heart. Each to one's own.

  1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

    As I read through some of the related post of this topic: Fake Christianity. I notice variations of everyone comments even the one I posted. Each post identifies a mark of each comment. Its like a tag so-to-speak. It tells the reader who we are representing.

    The dialog of each comment expressing our understanding of what we think of the fake Christianity represents. at the end of each comment it never bring use to a common understanding.

    So I started to wander, do we represent the mark of the beast or the name. As I read some of the comments some of us spoke on the history of Christianity based on the teaching of the bible, some spoke of what they believe as their choses, and some were just derogatory.

    The thing is, we need to come to a common understanding (agree) in this world, are we witness in this world? Are we being lead in the spirit or the name of who we are in this world that we represent

    I say name because of the mark that we represent in this world.

    What ever spirit we are representing it will represent whats in the heart. Whether it is the Kingdom of God or ourselves. You see, it is the name of the teaching; our selves, its our titles, of our selves, and of our chooses to believe in our selves, its all about our selves.

    Jesus said in the 4th Chapter 4th verse of Matthew, "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, shall man live.

    Jesus never spoke of himself but in the second person: the "Son: (Christ). In the first person: " the son of man:(Jesus)" , Jesus said, "I can do nothing of my self".

    So I say, let God be true and every man a liar, that we all can agree as one in Christ. This is so that the Father can be glorified in the Son. Amen!

    To God be the Glory.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      In truth Stacey we really don't know what Jesus said about anything being as everything that was supposedly said was written down by someone else that wasn't there many years later, and in some case decades later. I wonder how much of it that was handed down got changed as it went from mouth to mouth? Was any of it real?

      We know for a fact that the story of Jesus being alone in the Garden of Gethsemane, sweating drops of blood, either didn't really happen, or unlike as the Bible states it, he wasn't alone, because someone, who wasn't there, somehow wrote about it all. How much more of the Bible is just made up stuff. I guess we'll never really know! 🤷🏻‍♂️


      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


        Peace unto you and grace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I hope you can understand that only through the grace that is given can anyone understand the Kingdom of God. Its not just the Bible only, as it is written "for by grace are we saved through faith".

        The propose of this is, the Father acknowledges His love towards him. This allow the spiritual riches to be bestowed on anyone who believes. This is called being lead by the spirit. Only by faith can a believer be fully consecrated. to move by the Holy Spirit.

        So, if your ways are not His ways and your thoughts are not His thoughts, then all your works put you in the form of the flesh: (Fake Christianity). The Father will not move in the spirit.

        You see, your body must be the temple of God and Christ blood now consecrates you. Now it is no more you, but the life of Christ: (your Christs now).

        So to say, you guess you never really know, is unbelief.

        (Fake Christianity)

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Thank you Stacey, I don’t believe in your Lord just like you don’t believe in other religions Lords. Those followers are all proclaiming they have the real Lord, just like you do, and saying their Lord loves us all.

          There was a global day of prayer on 12th August of all religions to rid the earth of atheists and to prove prayer works. As today is 14th August it looks as though either:

          1) Prayer doesn’t work

          2) Gods and Lords don’t exist

          3) Gods and Lords do exist but insist on remaining hidden

          4) Gods and Lords love atheists, and love confusing believers by never showing up to help those in real need 🤷🏼


          1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


            Grace to you and peace from the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father of Love.

            It is evident that your heart is harden but yet you insist on constantly commenting on the posted blogs. I believe this is a good thing because your seeking the truth in Christ.

            By you rejecting that Jesus Christ is Lord, you will inadvertently become quickened that he is the life. You see, its not by might, nor by power, but by His spirit says the Lord.

            You will come to know the truth and the truth will make you free.

            To God be the Glory.


            1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

              Stacey, I know you mean well, I have actually been where you currently are, believing in something with no demonstrable evidence, which of course is exactly the same with people of every religion on the face of this planet, all professing to have the truth.

              I do hope that one day you too will get to know the truth, not by wishy washy unproven sayings that many use of other faiths, as though you have real evidence, but by using logic and reason. Only then will you be truly free of the shackles of religion, along with its blackmail of an unproven Hell.

              May the real glory be you, finding your true self, giving praise for all of your wonderful talents and taking ownership of them, and not giving away the reason behind your talents to something that doesn't exist.

              I'm sorry you are under the misguided impression that I have hardened my heart. If you only knew what I do for my love of mankind you would soon see how incorrect that statement is, but it's totally ok, many make the same mistake of saying similar things if ones pathway is different to theirs.

              Bless your heart! 🤗


              1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

                I have respect for your understanding and I appreciate that you didn't come hard on me.

                I don't judge you it's not my place. I just know God will quicken you in His appointed time.

                Be blessed.

              2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Thank you Stacey.

                Please allow me to explain that in reality, you don't know a supposed god will quicken me, whatever that really means. I do honestly understand you are under the misguided impression that you do know, that a god will "quicken" me, but to know something you have to have clear factual knowledge that can be backed up with unequivocal evidence. That is how one gets true knowledge! That is the basis of all understanding Stacey.

                For instance, we do "know" that the earth revolves around the sun, and it can be proven. Galileo proved that heliocentric concept when all religionists insisted otherwise on a geocentric belief. Being as he went "against" religious beliefs he was incarcerated for the rest of his life. They all thought they "knew" better.

                For you to "know" a god will quicken someone, you first have to demonstrably do something that no one has yet been able to do, and that is to prove a god, any god, really exists.

                Permit me to say that I think what you really meant to say was that you have a "belief" that a god, (in this case your believed god) will somehow prove to me of his existence, which so far, he hasn't been able to do for anyone, ever. Being as he is supposed to be an omnipotent deity one would think it would be very easy task for him to do.

                Please don't see my comments as being sarcastic, all I am doing is stating logic and reason, much like Galileo did.

                May you one day see true logic and reason and not be blinded by faith.🤗


              3. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


                This is your faith that rejects Jesus Christ, your logic.

                The wisdom of this world.

              4. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                I reject Jesus Christ using the same logic that you used to reject Lord Krishna, or Lord Ganesha, or any other person that is revered on earth as Lord.

                Is it not your wisdom and my wisdom that we rejected these? My wisdom just rejects one more than you do, and I applied the same wisdom and logic that you applied with these others that you do not believe.


  1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

    The MacMillan Encyclopedia of Religions states:

    The very attempt to define religion, to find some distinctive or possibly unique essence or set of qualities that distinguish the religious from the remainder of human life, is primarily a Western concern. The attempt is a natural consequence of the Western speculative, intellectualistic, and scientific disposition. It is also the product of the dominant Western religious mode, what is called the Judeo-Christian climate or, more accurately, the theistic inheritance from Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The theistic form of belief in this tradition, even when downgraded culturally, is formative of the dichotomous Western view of religion. That is, the basic structure of theism is essentially a distinction between a transcendent deity and all else, between the creator and his creation, between God and man.

    1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

      Dennis Michael Parker,

      Peace unto you and grace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I hope you can understand that only through the grace that is given can anyone understand the Kingdom of God. Its not just the Bible only, as it is written "for by grace are we saved through faith".

      The propose of this is, the Father acknowledges His love towards him. This allow the spiritual riches to be bestowed on anyone who believes. This is called being lead by the spirit. Only by faith can a believer be fully consecrated. to move by the Holy Spirit.

      So, if your ways are not His ways and your thoughts are not His thoughts, then all your works put you in the form of the flesh: (Fake Christianity). The Father will not move in the spirit.

      You see, your body must be the temple of God and Christ blood now consecrates you. Now it is no more you, but the life of Christ: (your Christs now).

      Acknowledge that the power is of God and not of us and believe. Believe that Jesus gave his life for our unbelief so that we could be reconciled back to the Father. This is our blessed Hope.

      Not Fake Christianity

      1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

        Stacey Owen's, I assure you that I believe in Jesus and that He is tye Son of God, but religion has a tendency to be corrupted over time. Religion has seasons. Unfortunately Christianity seems to be in the winter of its life. The end time is upon us. Great and terrible things are about to befall us. God Bless you and yours. Stay vigilant and steadfast.

      2. Ilmenheru Terikson's Avatar Ilmenheru Terikson

        Actually Stacey your post here alone damns you for all time to hell based on the words of Jesus. For to offer one moment of contest, coflict, or challenge to another is an unforgivable act in the earliest writings of the tradition you claim to be a follower of. That quite literally means you may not even write or speak in defense of your faith for any reason ever.

        1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

          Llmenheru Terikson,

          Faith is Christ in you.

          Because by faith the evidences of things hope for are not by what is seen. So, If your talking about what is not seen then no one can condemn it. No one has the Authority. The substance of my hope is the hearing of faith. I patiently wait for it in Christ.

          I have the Authority In Jesus Christ, he is the judge he speaks the kingdom Of God. Its the Gospel. LITERALLY!!!

          To God be the Glory

  1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

    "Religion, human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of especial reverence. It is also commonly regarded as consisting of the way people deal with ultimate concerns about their lives and their fate after death. In many traditions, this relation and these concerns are expressed in terms of one’s relationship with or attitude toward gods or spirits; in more humanistic or naturalistic forms of religion, they are expressed in terms of one’s relationship with or attitudes toward the broader human community or the natural world. In many religions, texts are deemed to have scriptural status, and people are esteemed to be invested with spiritual or moral authority. Believers and worshippers participate in and are often enjoined to perform devotional or contemplative practices such as prayer, meditation, or particular rituals. Worship, moral conduct, right belief, and participation in religious institutions are among the constituent elements of the religious life." www.britannica.com

  1. Marathuzula's Avatar Marathuzula

    ~Makes up a god~
    ~Proceeds to murder people for not believing in god~ ~Gets pissed of people fake believe in god~

  1. Todd Radus's Avatar Todd Radus

    I find it funny how people who have denied many of Jesus's teachings and have led their flocks astray have the audacity to point fingers and call others out as worshipping in fake church's while they worship the very god Jesus spoke out against. If you want to know where I get this here is the information.

    See The Revelations of Peter (the whole book) then take a look at The Secret Book Of John (the whole book). You will also want to look at The Second Discourse of the Great Seth pay special attention to vs 73.23 to 76.23. These were found to be some of the oldest Christian text. They were found with the dead sea scrolls. The Roman Catholic church when to great lengths to try and destroy every last copy of these texts and kill everyone who followed them. If you want to know why simply read them, it's pretty self explanatory. They are contained in The Nag Hammadi scriptures. JMHO take it for what it's worth to you.

  1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

    The Kingdom of God is at Hand!

    Jesus informed believers what to look out for in these last days. Matthew 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation (like when people refuse to hear and obey Gods voice),’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

    Jesus explains in John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. (Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.)

    25 Behold, I have told you advance.

    The condition of the world is unfolding before our eyes.

    2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine: (wishing someone total health or self help). Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Surely you have heard of the administration of God's grace, having been given to me (Paul) toward you. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote before in few words),

    Don’t let them waste their time in endless discussion of myths and spiritual pedigrees ( a genealogy, a record of descent or lineage) things only lead to meaningless speculations, which don’t help people live a life of faith in God.

    All these thing lead believers away from Him who has called them. The condition of this world is setting up the preparation of Jesus return.

    The riots, covid 19, the fall of Afghanistan, the earth quacks, the flooding in other country's, the fires in California, the killings all over the country, and the division of our nation and government. The love and companion is gone.

    Jesus is at the door and there is a way of escape.

    Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that over comes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    22 He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches (believer).

    1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

      How will you know HIM when HE comes?

      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        Dennis Michael Parker,

        I glad you asked that question. The elect will know by the hearing of the trumpet sound. For the believer who are led in the spirit, the body will change in a instant. At that moment we shall be incorruptible.

        For the dead in Christ will know his voice.

        1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

          Dennis Micheal Parker.

          Faith (birth) come by hearing and hearing by the word (command) of God.

          This should answer your question.

          Be Bless!

          1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

            Stacy Owens, By what name will Jesus use upon HIS return?

            1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

              Dennis Micheal Parker

              He will appear and a quickening will take place in the spirit and the voice of God Elect who are dead in Christ will rise and shout like a trumpet.

              Can you here him?

              1. P. Keith Benefiel's Avatar P. Keith Benefiel

                His name will be BOB.

        2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Again Stacey, in this case all you are doing is quoting from a book written by men. I realize you place a great deal in this book, I did the same, and I would quote in a similar parrot-like fashion many of the things that you do. The book you believe in is very flawed. There are too many errors and inconsistencies to take it seriously. For instance, do you realize there is still no archaeological factual evidence that Moses existed, or even the exodus happened. We do know a few places that are mentioned in that book exist, which is hardly surprising as a lot of it was written in those lands, but many still evade evidence of their existence. Even if all of them were found it wouldn't mean the stories about them were true.

          We have the "story" of someone called Jesus (again very little evidence) of him going into the Garden of Gethsemane all on his own to supposedly talk to his father god where he supposedly sweat drops of blood from every pore. This was a secret meeting with no one else there, so who was it "that wasn't there" that witnessed everything in fine detail to talk about it so that it could be written down decades later by people who also were not there.

          Can you see how ridiculous all this is? It might also, by now, have you believing that woman really did come from the rib of a man. If you truly studied genetics, as I have, you would know very differently with real factual knowledge.

          Anyway, thank you for all your biblical quotes, that many like to do, professing they "know" best. In reality, they don't! Such is the problem with indoctrination, mostly from childhood. Children are so easily convinced of virtually anything. Santa Clause, and even fairies, are typical examples.


          1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


            The bible never saved anyone. Its the mystery of the word(s) that guides you to call on Jesus Christ in to your Life. The mystery that guides you to become anointed in power by the Holy Spirit.

            Until you can perceive, you can not become born again.

            Like you said, written by men.

          2. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


            I get it, I'm gett everything from a book. But it still doesn't cancel out the power of God.

            You refute that God doesn't exist as it is written of him in the Bible. Because inspired men wrote it. I get it, but you really don't know, what the truth is, do you?

            That doesn't mean who or what He is to you.

            You have the right to be in your unbelief.

            The thing is, you first believed. That lets me know, he can change you.

            That I believe. You can't cancel that out.

            Christ is already in you. Nothing can change that.

            This is why in your hostility you continue to fight against him.

            You can't shack him.

            1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

              I do not refute that your God does not exist. I do not refute that Allah does not exist. I do not refute that lord Krishna does not exist, because in reality I cannot prove that they do not exist. All I am doing is alluding to the fact that no one else can prove that their Lords and gods exist.

              No one in any religion can prove they do exist so everyone has no other choice but rely on faith. It’s all everyone has. The sad thing is that even their gods do not have the ability to show up and prove them right in their belief, even yours.

              I am sorry you see me as being hostile. I hope one day you will see me as being a very caring person who is concerned about people on the face of this earth who have been severely indoctrinated to believe in a load of religious rubbish, that they cannot shake from their lives, for that is what it is.


              1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens


                Deep in your heart, God loves you. In your life, you were under controlling spirits. You were being conditioned to act the way you were taught. You couldn't act in God presence, so Gods glory could never act in you.

                You had people in your life telling you the way you should go by macerating it as God

                You see, you could not never experience Him in your life because you were to busy preforming. Inadvertently, it caused you to search out doing things just to if He was real or not.

                Ultimately, you turned away from Him. He hasn't left you, you have a piece of himself in you that you can't deny. But you can't see it as Him.

                This piece of Him is His love and companion for people.

                I can't attempt to declare God that He is real. If I tried, you wouldn't believe it really happened. Only God can anoint your heart to believe, He is who He says He is.

                The world is what it is because people in the world made it self what it is.

                You can't blame God for not responding. He was crucified for it, and he didn't say a mumbling word.

                This is hard to believe, but it happened.

                You want to see God work; it won't happen. You want to know why? Your heart is not prepared to accept the revelation, because your heart is full of darkness (hostility).

                This doesn't mean that your a mean person, it just means you don't understand.

                All hostility does is force people to change there minds.

                God wants to show you that he is God with out hostility. But the only way He can show you, is by becoming you becoming a living sacrifice acceptable to him.

                You give your life to Christ. By doing this, Christ becomes your life. The life you live is Christ. This is called walking in the spirit and not fulfilling the hostility (unbelief) of the flesh.

                The only evidence of what I'm sharing with is what the spirit of Christ has to say to you. All you have to do is believe.

                If your heart is harden, I can respect that. As for Jesus Christ, he will still be the Lord in my life because he sacrificed his life so I can live by the glory of God.

              2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                It’s amazing to me how deeply indoctrinated you have become. You state a variety of things here with NO supporting factual evidence. All you are relying on is something that EVERY religion on earth relies upon, and that is faith.

                It’s like me saying to you Stacey that Lord Krishna is really in your heart even though you deny it. He knows that you will wake up to his glory one day.

                Can you see how ridiculous that statement is? That, Stacey, is just how ridiculous your statement is. The very fact that you cannot see it, just goes to show how deeply indoctrinated you have become.

                May the Lord Krishna come into your heart, all you have to do is believe 🤪


              3. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

                Lion heart,

                There has been supporting evidence. But you haven't received it from him.

                He that receives the Son of God receives the Father also. Unfortunately you have denied the witness God have given you.

                Since you have rejected the gift of God which I have shared with you I understand it would be impossible for you to see the spirit of truth.

                Plus you wouldn't understand the spirit of truth because it he would be foolishness to you anyway.

                Your lord and god is not able to deliver you out of anything anyway.

                I will say this, the next time your in a situation no matter what it is, just say Jesus Christ I trust you to help me in my situation.

                And wait for it.

                Please be serious when you do it. I assure you, the love of Christ will conquer what you need.

                You won't need a bible or scripture, and past failures don't count. You don't need to think about them.

                Hey, you never know, you might get a blessing you never wanted to get.

                My the piece and grace of God be with in Jesus Christ out Lord.

              4. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Not only have I not received any demonstrable evidence of the reality of your god/Lord, neither has anyone else, not even you Stacey. All you have to go on is your faith, which is the same thing that every religion on earth is also relying on, because that's all there is. Do you not see that the faith you you rely on is the same thing that every religion on earth is relying on? All of them saying they have the truth. Your doxastic attitude is preventing you from seeing what is factually true.

                May the reality of truth, using logic and reason, one day set you free.


              5. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

                The demonstrable evidence of the reality of God is you. You are the evidence.

                God is a spirit. You are flesh and bones. But you have a spirit that identities you, and it is your soul, your consciousness.

                This is where God dwell. But you don't know it.

                You think when the body dies, your dead, no consciousness.

                But that's not true. Since you don't know, its because you never actually died. So there is no evidence to prove what happens when a person dies. No evidence of living. Because you have no proof of anyone personally come back to be a witness of the after life.

                So you can say death does not exist. Yet you really don't know.

                Since there is no eternal life, there is no death because it doesn't exist.

                We're just Zombies in this world. We walk around building things up, acting like we're good to turn around and trash it all.

                We don't exist to you at all. I'm just saying.

              6. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                I do understand where you think you are coming from. Thank you for your reply. The reality is that you and I exist, and we can provide proof of that.

                Your references to "God is spirit" and "I have a spirit that identifies me" and your reference to "soul" are all terms used by religionists of all faiths. They are terms that have been used in text for millennia and they are terms formulated by mankind, but the reality is, no one knows what "spirit" and "soul" and "god" really is. Different cultures of this earth of ours have created these terms as though they profess to know they are real, but they have all done so with no testable knowledge whatsoever. It sounds good, and to the uneducated, can sound even convincing, but we still don't know Stacey.

                You will hear some people talk about "universal consciousness" as though they know what they are taking about, and people love those words so they embrace them and reiterate the same words to others, as though they understand it, but they don't. It's basically word salad that sounds good.

                You are saying similar words that you have heard from someone else, and have fully embraced it because it sounds right. saying things like "This is where God dwells" is totally unproven garbage. Again, there is no evidence any god exists, not even yours, so saying "god dwells in us" is a totally unfounded and unproven statement.

                It's like if I was to say to you that fairies are real, and they created the heavens and the earth, and they come out at night to check on us to see if we are ok. You would demand proof. And rightly so. It's possible that if you had been told that from childhood you might still believe it. It's called indoctrination. We do that with children about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Eventually, we have to tell them the truth that there is no demonstrable evidence they are real.

                Saying I am demonstrable evidence is not evidence at all. If I show you a child dying of cancer, should I say that child is demonstrable evidence of a god? If I show you a child that has been picked up by a hurricane and smashed against some rocks would that be evidence of a god? Both of those examples could possible be evidence against any god in my eyes, because if I was a god I would help that dying child, and help that child being thrown around by the wind. In my eyes, that makes me greater than any other god that will not show up and do anything.

                Thank you for your thoughts though.


              7. Rev. B's Avatar Rev. B

                "It's like if I was to say to you that fairies are real, and they created the heavens and the earth, and they come out at night to check on us to see if we are ok. You would demand proof. And rightly so."

                I don't NEED proof. I have FAITH in fairies! :)

              8. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                Yes yes, please let it be true that Fairies are real. 🤭


              9. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

                Check this out, if you believe that your a man then that's what you are in truth: a man. This is what you believe within yourself.

                No one can tell you different. As far as using fairies, that's a redundant analogy.

                However, If a man believes he's a women and rejects the truth that he is born a man, yet the demostrable evidence bares witness in truth.

                No matter what the person believes, no matter how he changes himself into a woman. The truth demonstrates he is still a man nd no law can change it.

                So then virtually, you might as well say, he's a fairy: (Literally). Because he believes in a fable.

                And that's the truth.

                This is the evidence that God exist, because he is Truth.

                This is what the scripture is saying: I have revealed your name unto the men that you have given me).

                God's name is Truth and Jesus Christ is the word in the flesh expressing God.

                If you wish to believe in a fable, well, that's what a person choses to believe. No one can make a lie by proving it's the truth because the truth will be the one to reveal it's a lie.

                Point blank.

              10. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

                You’re wrong Stacey. Written documentation is never accepted as evidence of proof of anything that’s is written in the document. Evidence has to be factually correct, and can be demonstrably proved by anyone. It doesn’t matter what is written in scripture, just the same as it doesn’t matter what is written in the Harry Potter books. It’s all fable and tales unless “proven” to be true. You have no testable evidence Stacey. When will you be alive to that fact? You have not provided any demonstrable evidence Stacey that your god is real. Even your god doesn’t seem able to show up and prove he’s/she’s real.


  1. MIKE's Avatar MIKE

    When will people understand that the word Allah is the Arabic word for God just a tye wot Dios is the Spanish word for God? The are the same God just different language!

    1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

      Dennis Michael Parker,

      The meaning of the words may be the same but who Yahweh Himself is, which lives forever, speaks one language and His word is the living word. The works He has done is finished. He is the God of rest, there is no other god beside Him.

      He declares Himself, the only true God.

  1. John D. Partin's Avatar John D. Partin

    Anything's being accepted as demonstrable evidence of any reality is dependent on the open-mindedness of the person that is being spoken to toward being convinced by that reasoning and evidence, and where that open-mindedness isn't present, nothing will be accepted as demonstrable evidence of that reality. This applies not only to you and other atheists, who have set your minds against any evidence for God's existence before any evidence for it is presented to you at all and the conversation is over before it even begins, as far as you are concerned, but to Nazis, Klansmen, domestic abusers, child molesters, rapists, sex traffickers, pimps, alcoholics, drug addicts, and all others who are stuck in rotten and self-destructive behavior and thinking, and can't or won't let themselves be reached and brought out of that by any arguments or reasoning against their problems that anyone can ever present to them!! Their being stuck in all of their thinking and behavior doesn't make them or you reasonable people or the reality of their situations and reasons against them not reality or reasonable, but only prove that people can convince themselves that they and their thinking and behavior are "right", no matter what, and that anything said against how they want to live and think is "wrong", no matter what! So, before you ask for demonstrable evidence of God's existence, you have to first make yourself open to accepting evidence of His existence, which other people who have opened their minds to that evidence have accepted as demonstrable evidence of His existence. Until you do so, nothing that anyone can ever say to you will ever be accepted by you as evidence of it, through no fault of the evidence itself, but only because of the block in you that keeps you from accepting it as demonstrable evidence. Every truly reasonable person sees the obvious contradiction in a mindless universe's coming up with its own laws for its operation and interconnecting them so as to make them work together and assist each other or "giving birth to itself" or in answers to prayers of what people asked for "proving that there is no God Who answered those prayers and the answers' being 'coincidence'". Until you come up to that level of rationality and maturity, it is pointless for you to ask for demonstrable evidence of God's existence, which you can't understand or accept, anyway! You have more faith and more unreasonable faith than you accuse me and other people of having and so it is ridiculous and hypocritical for you to criticize anyone else's faith!! Your secular dogmatic faith is preventing you from seeing what is factually true and what is truly reasonable and realistic!! Do you not see that the atheistic faith you rely on is the same thing that every ungodly and rotten atheistic movement and philosophy (Communism, Nazism, the culture of death, and all other such resultant things) is relying on!! May the actual reality of the Truth, using true logic and reason, one day soon set you free!!

  1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

    Fake Christianity is the AntiChrist.

    Jesus Christ is the word of God manifested in the flesh.

    No man can worship or have excess to God the Father except by Jesus Christ (THE WORD OF GOD).

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Again, you are just quoting here things that you have been indoctrinated to believe. Show me the evidence. If you can't do that, you are no different than those who say that Vishnu is real, or Brahma is real, or Krishna is real, and he dwells within us. People actually believe that Stacey. They are so convinced that these supposed Gods are real they would die for it. They feel it within them. They worship and pray to them, just like you do yours. You are no different. Some of those religions are older than yours, so they think theirs is more real than yours. Their gods never condoned slavery, or stoning People to death, or killed babies, or drowned everyone on earth like yours is supposed to have done.


      1. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        Everyone in the world is indoctrinated to believe what they believe by someone.

        The evidence is in you and around you. You can see God's grace and truth in Life. Through the act of compassion, giving, grace, and through telling the truth. The reason why you don't believe in God, you don't recognize Him.

        This is how to recognise God: Look at your life. You manifest the power of God by expressing His image and likeness through your Life. Not through your form or self. God manifests as life through truth and by word.

        People are transformed by the power of God manifesting in them. Yet, do to unbelief, you can't receive Him as the truth or the word that is spoken. In the eyes of unbelievers, God is a form of religion to some people, but He is not. They only see the person. Religion or form cannot allow God to bare witness of Himself because the form will bind the person as a debtor and create religion: becoming indoctrinated

        Look within: truth (God) will make you free.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Sorry Stacey, but what you have written here is absolute religious rubbish, with no demonstrable evidence whatsoever.

          You are somehow equating feelings with what you like to see as truth. Please note that in a court of law, demonstrable evidence is always required, not warm fuzzy feelings of looking within you to determine truth. That’s how it should be to determine the truth of ALL religions, even yours.

          I am just like you, Stacey, I don’t believe in all those other religions, just like you don’t believe in them. It’s just that I don’t believe in yours either because there is no demonstrable evidence to show it’s true.


      2. Stacey Owens's Avatar Stacey Owens

        Everyone in the world is indoctrinated to believe what they believe by someone.

        The evidence is in you and around you. You can see God's grace and truth in Life. Through the act of compassion, giving, grace, and through telling the truth. The reason why you don't believe in God, you don't recognize Him.

        This is how to recognise God: Look at your life. You manifest the power of God by expressing His image and likeness through your Life. Not through your form or self. God manifests as life through truth and by word.

        People are transformed by the power of God manifesting in them. Yet, do to unbelief, you can't receive Him as the truth or the word that is spoken. In the eyes of unbelievers, God is a form of religion to some people, but He is not. They only see the person. Religion or form cannot allow God to bare witness of Himself because the form will bind the person as a debtor and create religion: becoming indoctrinated

        Look within: truth (God) will make you free.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Absolute rubbish Stacey, but thank you for your words of deep indoctrination. You are no different than others saying the same thing about their own religions. Mormons, JW’s, Islamists, Hindu’s, et al all say the same.

          The reason you won’t believe their faith is the same reason I won’t believe yours. They are all rubbish and misguided aren’t they?


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