in god we trust"In God We Trust" has been inscribed on American currency since the late 1950's when Congress passed a resolution adding it. It has appeared on all subsequent designs of both paper money and coins in the country (except for gold coins minted in 1907). However, an atheist group is suing in an attempt to have the practice stopped in the name of the separation of Church and State.

California attorney Michael Newdow is taking up the case. His relevant experience includes trying twice to restore the original Pledge of Allegiance, ridding it of the words "under God" that were tacked on 62 years after it was written.

Newdow's lawsuit represents 41 different plaintiffs from Ohio who do not believe in the God, or more specifically, the Christian God invoked on the currency. One plaintiff described that she feels "she is forced against her will to accept and re-distribute to others a message that goes wholly against her beliefs. Yet it is neither realistic nor reasonable for her to abandon the nation's currency and use other forms of payment for all of her transactions."

Religious Freedom

in god we trust A founding principle of the United States is religious freedom. We as a society value the ability to hold and express our beliefs without infringement. This is a two-way street; others cannot tell us how or what to worship and we cannot force others to adhere to our beliefs.

The very reason Congress passed a resolution to add "In God We Trust" to money was actually in response to the concerns of vocal individuals. Most notably, a letter written to the Secretary of State by Rev. M. R. Watkinson detailed that the minister was worried future generations would look at the coins of the time and conclude that the United States was a secular nation, which it is. He proposed acknowledging only Christianity on the national currency to address this, despite the plethora of belief systems practiced by Americans.

It's true: nobody is forced to believe in the Christian God just because they are handling American money. That thought is simply ridiculous. They are however participating in a system based around tokens designed for the explicit purpose of declaring that the US is a Christian nation. Not only is this idea offensive to many people, but it's blatantly false.

Presidential hopeful Dr. Ben Carson recently weighed in on the lawsuit, holding up the phrase as the motto for the nation on Twitter. This received a large response with many agreeing with the sentiment of his message. Others, however, responded with pictures of the original motto of "E Pluribus Unum". The motto was changed at the same time God was shoe-horned onto currency and into the Pledge of Allegiance.

Christianity is easily the dominant religion in the States, though that is not the same as it being an official religion.

Winning Case?

If this case in anything like the previous attempts by this attorney, it would seem that this lawsuit is not going to be successful. There are too many people who like having the phrasing on our money, and many argue it is a part of our history. Even though it wasn't on the original United States currency, it has been on our money for a long time. Most people don't like change.

But more importantly, the idea that the US is a Christian nation is false. Since there is no official religion in the country and given the separation of Church and State, it really has no legal defense for being on the currency. Whether or not people want it on the money, if it violates our founding principles or goes against the First Amendment, it cannot be there.

No matter what, it will be interesting to see how this case goes. If the case is dismissed, is Newdow will likely continue his crusade to remove "God" across the country.

What do you think? Does "God" belong on our money?


  1. REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin's Avatar REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin

    I am 72 now but in my younger days and having a cocktail or 2 at the local pub, a sign hung over the old cash register that said "In God we trust, all others pay cash!" Now in this new tech age, I really don't handle much or anything in cash, it is pay the bills on line through my credit union or do all my regular purchases using my debit card. My debit card does not have anything on it but my bank name, my name, card#, exp. date. Now all I need to think about with my card slogan is "In my bank I trust I don't overdraft!"

    Rev. Theo. ULC

    1. Dragon Priest's Avatar Dragon Priest

      Yes but which god? Maybe a demi-god? Yahweh the fake god of the Jews or even the god Jesus spoke of? Forget Muhammad's god, he's the devil. One of the many Hindu gods or even the non- god of Buddhism? God is not good enough to describe US. I use Source as a descriptive noun.

      1. David's Avatar David

        Explain why you think "Yahweh" (YHWH) is "the fake god"?

      2. KT's Avatar KT

        There is only one God....different religions!

        1. Truth's Avatar Truth

          There are different religions....The is no God!

          1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz


    2. Jerome Shadwick's Avatar Jerome Shadwick

      I support Rev. Theo. Klebes. View. I thought to myself if they don't believe in God then give up the money which has in God we trust. Then I thought about. They are slowly removing God from our currency. We are switching to a plastic society. Before I could get my social security I had to first get a bank account which gave me a plastic card that I pray will work and trust that they put the funds in my account. In plastic I trust.

      1. Doug Barron's Avatar Doug Barron

        This comment makes mi smile!

    3. Rev. Duddy's Avatar Rev. Duddy

      No. Money has become the new 'god' and "In God We Trust" has no business on our money.

      1. Doug Barron's Avatar Doug Barron

        Jesus said, who's inscription is on the coin? I think his intent was referring to whom the coin belonged. Just a rumination.

      2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        Absolutely. Money is the currency of the devil. Faith is the currency of God. Money is a daily commodity only. Only a fool would trust in a piece of paper or coin.

        1. Local Resident's Avatar Local Resident

          Please answer me this then... If money is the currency of the devil then WHY do churches ask for it. Makes no sense, just like religion.BECAUSE IT'S ALL BS!

    4. John's Avatar John

      Well the inspiration came to our founding fathers from what they believed to be God perhaps we could substitute the word for them instead of God : Hope. It was the hope for liberty and representation by , for , and of the people and not one despot that was sought and achieved in our constitution and bill of rights. Perhaps God incarnate. No leave God on all of our documents and coins and hallowed walls for atheist or theist alike something very special in thier hearts Like liberty and hope could easily be other names for a concept or reality called God. Dear God. Dear U.S.Constitution. Dear Bill of Rights. Dear America.

      1. Tish FERGUSON's Avatar Tish FERGUSON

        I have long substituted the word Goodness for God . . . not only for just money . . . I believe in Goodness and find it is an appropriate substitution for the word God is most instances . . . regardless of which version of God is being referenced. Therefore, I recommend . . . In Goodness we trust.

    5. don hamlow's Avatar don hamlow

      give to the government what is there's and give to God what is God

    6. Minister James Owen's Avatar Minister James Owen

      I believe that everything in this world belongs to God. He made us and He has given us life and given it to where if we believe in God we shall have life more abundantly. He has given us a Comforter here on earth until our Savior returns. We would be nothing without Him. Yes in God we trust should be on our money. Most of all God should be in our Hearts and soul. God Bless everyone.

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        I believe In God we trust was put on coins, etc. In order to relate just that but instead they have taken what it was written on to mean just that. In God they meant man to trust, not the currency it was engraved or printed on. A typical way the enemy perverts what was meant to reveal the truth.

      2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        Yes. In God alone we trust whatever it is written on, not on what it is written.

  1. Miranda Allison Young's Avatar Miranda Allison Young

    Personally, I would never have put it on the money just because of the religious freedom we have in this country. I objected to putting under God in the Pledge of Allegance and refuse to say those words. I am a Christian, but I refuse to have any regligion shoved down my throat.

    1. wickedpa's Avatar wickedpa

      "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." I think that the word indivisible should be removed since we can be divided by mere words

      1. Rick's Avatar Rick

        Well played, Mr. Wales!! I'm not Christian, but choose not to notice every possible offense. It makes life annoying and painful. Everyone should make the choice NOT to be offended.

        1. John's Avatar John

          Rick, it is not one of many "possible offenses"; it is a violation of the Constitution and our civil liberties. If you felt your government was unconstitutionally infringing on one of your constitutionally-protected freedoms, wouldn't that offend you? Wouldn't you want to have it fixed?

        2. Kathleen's Avatar Kathleen

          If the people who are offended by everything choose to let nothing offend them, do they then Really exist? (She asked facetiously)

          1. Steve's Avatar Steve

            I am offended we ALL have to die...can we remove that ?

    2. Linda's Avatar Linda

      At the end of the day considering the whole picture of the world ,and I do mean the real world today, can you really say, from your heart , that "In God We Trust" printed on our currancy represents to you the act of shoving religious ideas "down the throat" . It makes me smile and gives me a little warm feeling when I ocassionaly take a second to read it. Please try to pay closer attention to this crazy unstable world we are surviving in and one day very soon maybe "In God We Trust" can have a clear meaning to you.I do hope for your sake you never truely have the experience of having someone shove an opnion down your throat, ask anyone who survived a holocaust.I am sending you a hug and asking Jesus bless your heart.

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        Yes. What people speaking the truth are trying to shove it down your throat is the only thing that can save you from eternal damnation. You will have eternity to regret the one moment you rejected it.

    3. Rev. Guy Barnes III's Avatar Rev. Guy Barnes III

      I believe when it was written and the term God was included it was not intended to just be assigned to Christians. It is an English language term for the creator of all things. Likewise Allah is an Arabic term, while Yahweh is a Jewish term. In Hindu there is the term (though interpreted to English) God head. Too much has been separated and demonized by recent pride and persecution. We seem to, in these times be more leaning blindly into things that are self destructive and distract us from a unity of purpose and positive direction with our overall efforts.

      1. Sir Lord Baron Von Reverendstein M.D., D.D.'s Avatar Sir Lord Baron Von Reverendstein M.D., D.D.

        nope. It was put on there as a suggestion by a Christian reverend for the express purpose of declaring this a "Christian nation". So yeah, it was intended to just be about Christianity.

        1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

          No, he was simply saying, whoever you are, put your trust in God.

    4. Jim's Avatar Jim

      How can something be shoved down your throat that you have already swallow, if you are a Christian?

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        It can't. Your reply should be ... Thank you I know that already.

    5. Jennifer's Avatar Jennifer

      If you are a Christian then why would you refuse to have God on anything?

    6. Doug Barron's Avatar Doug Barron

      One must have an open mouth in order for anything to be shoved down ones throat.

    7. Gia Madonna's Avatar Gia Madonna

      As a Christian I would expect a person to be ALL caring and ALL loving. At least that's what THE WORD OF GOD says. Besides, we will be using ALL plastic before this change ever takes place. Silly thread.....try giving your time to someone who needs a word of encouragement. Time is the greatest gift one can give to another. Surely money and "in God we trust" printed and stamped on it should be the least of our worries. Wake up earth ....time is short

  1. M's Avatar M

    Miranda if you are a you should know that Christ says to go and spread the word, that means you need to to and prostrate His teaching, how can you be a Christian and ignore His wishes. Of course we are a land that was inspired and blessed by God and to ignore that unblesses us and if you are a Christian as you say you are, you should realize how important it is to live under the blessing of God. So then how can you object to having as much of God into your life as you can.

    1. Rick's Avatar Rick

      You do realize, don't you, that if people like you weren't shoving religion down other people's throats, there would be much less of a push back... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Aren't you seeing the world beginning to push back VERY hard against muslims who believe the same as you, only adding violence to their "proselytizing"? It is NOT okay for you to try to MAKE others follow your beliefs.

      1. Douglas Bessette's Avatar Douglas Bessette

        Believing in GOD IS NOT RELIGION! It's spiituality, its faith ands its ones choice. NOT having it on money offends me. Why? Because i believe. If u dont like it , dont read it. Grow up.

        1. Jennifer's Avatar Jennifer

          Well said Doug!

        2. Liz Wilcox's Avatar Liz Wilcox

          If you don't like it being removed, by all means take out your Sharpie marker and write it on all your bills! Grow up!

      2. Rev. Gary Shade's Avatar Rev. Gary Shade

        No I'm pretty sure Rick that the atheists would still be pushing their cause and trying to get those who are religious to deny God. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          There may be a few atheists who are actively attempting to have Christians deny God, but they would be the exception, Gary. It's more common for atheists to simply challenge the claims of vocal fundamentalist Christians, proselytizing on forums like this one, or trying to influence public policy that we see.

          As folks that fit that description are involved with the ULC and frequently comment, SOMETIMES IN CAPS, this may be an appropriate spot to address the question of "non-belief" in the veracity of the Bible as the only true holy book.

          Dr. Bart Ehrman is one of the most respected New Testament scholars in the world. Here's a link to his Curriculum Vitae to verify that he deals with fact, not opinion.

          There are many of his lectures posted on YouTube and elsewhere on various topics, but his expertise is the New Testament, and particularly the Gospels, the heart of Christianity. I encourage everyone interested in the Bible to invest some time viewing his lectures (and you can watch them for free!). Here are two that present some serious challenges to those insisting the Bible is infallible, accurate and without contradiction. They may help to explain the atheist's lack of belief.

          1. Local Resident's Avatar Local Resident


        2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          There are many misconceptions about atheists Gary. Very few, if any are actively encouraging anyone to deny God. Some however, may be spurred to respond to fundamentalist proselytizing, which we even see here occasionally. To understand their "non-belief" one could turn to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the world's most respected New Testament scholars. You can view many of his lectures at no cost via the internet. I encourage anyone interested in the Bible, and in particular, the Gospels, which are at the heart of Christianity, to invest some time listening to fact rather than opinion. Here are Dr. Ehrman's credentials…

          Here's a sample of one of his lectures….

      3. Christine's Avatar Christine

        Rick: Why should those of us who believe have to keep quiet because you don't believe. If you don't want to hear what we say or what we write, don't listen and don't read. I have just as many rights as you do and I don't think it is appropriate for the minority (you) to take mine away.

        1. Karl's Avatar Karl

          Name one--just one--right that has been taken away from you, Christine, by Rick or any of us who share his views. Feel free to respond as to how many times a non-believer has knocked on your door, or accosted you on your way into or out of a grocery store, supermarket, or whatever. Feel free to post photos of non-believers standing on street corners claiming you will suffer for an eternity for not believing as they do. Feel free to post examples of any point where a non-believer has introduced legislature championing non-belief.

          THEN and ONLY THEN, you're imagined persecution complex will be justified.

        2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

          No. No way. As Christians we are commanded by God to tell the truth and what's more we have Him and the whole of the Kingdom of Heaven behind us. I will shout from the rooftops as loud as I can. So get under my feet Satan and your followers. The voice of God will be heard throughout the nations of the world in spite of you and your pathetic little people.

          1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

            Barbara, you'd better get down off the rooftops before you fall and hurt yourself.

            Here are a few passages from the Good Book that you seem to be ignoring….

            “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Synonyms for meek include; docile, passive, timid and subdued.

            “Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” (1 Tim. 2:11-12)

            I commend you for not SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS HERE and humbly suggest that yours is not "the voice of God".

            Who are the "pathetic little people" and why aren't they listening to you?

        3. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          Few of us object to what you believe, Christine. But some of us object when fundamentalist and evangelical Christians……...

          State their beliefs as indisputable facts

          Insist the Bible is the infallible "word of God" without errors or contradictions

          Traumatize impressionable children with their beliefs

          ….vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of theirs.

          …. laugh at polytheists, but have no problem believing in a Triune God

          ...faces turn purple when they hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups including women, children, and animals.

          …. laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who was killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

          ... believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering and yet consider their religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”

          ... define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers and consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And when they think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

          …. actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call themselves Christians.

          As far as keeping quiet, Christine…. Although I believe you have the right to express yourself (and to be challenged about your statements), the Bible doesn't agree...

          "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence" (1 Tim. 2:11-12).

          1 Corinthians 14:34 English Standard Version the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. This is the Universal Life CHURCH...

          1. Minister Anthony's Avatar Minister Anthony

            Very well stated, Brother John.

          2. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

            You rock!; Brother John.

          3. JO-ANN's Avatar JO-ANN

            what an opportune time.....for you to start quoting the BIBLE....CLASSIC

            Seems we are still trying to discern who's path will be the right path...the only one that GOD WILL HONOR....YOURS OR MINE....thats not the issue....the only choice is good or evil....thats long as your are copasetic with the doctrine you have choosen....that should be enough for you not to react in negativity about anyone that not the universal appeal of the ULC. The Bible says many things I'll never understand........PROVERBS3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart, and do not rely on your own understanding. GOD MADE MANY PATHS... just like many flavors of ice cream... HE GAVE US CHOICES....because he knew how diverse we are....creating us to begin with ...I choose CHRISTIANITY..AND, THE BIBLE.... GOD LOVES US WHO LOVE HIM AND CHOOSE GOOD OVER EVIL....

          4. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

            I can quote the Bible with the best of them JO-ANN and didn't just start. My comments weren't "negative", they were pointing out attributes of fundamentalists who post here contrary to the ULC's spirit. They are certainly welcome to do so, but will find not all will agree with them and may very well challenge any unfounded beliefs stated as facts.

            I'm not sure what "doctrine" you think I follow. In the spirit of understanding the Christian doctrine, I posted a series of statements and questions to Christians on Feb. 17 in the thread "Getting along with people of different religious backgrounds", but have sadly not noticed any response so far. I encourage you to be the first.

    2. William's Avatar William

      Thank u Mary

    3. steven's Avatar steven

      Mary, you need to learn to proofread. In your reply to Miranda you say "Miranda if you are a (please fill in the word you left out) you should know..." and you go on to say "that means you need to (please fill in the word you left out) and prostrate (please look up the proper use of the word "prostrate" since you don't seem to know how to use it in a sentence) His teaching ..." If you are going to criticize someone else's point of view at least do it intelligently and check your grammar. Thank you.

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        Your comments are more offensive than her inability to express herself as she would wish. Those who think they are clever are the biggest fools.

    4. Gia Madonna's Avatar Gia Madonna

      Amen Mary ~~

  1. bri's Avatar bri

    The world is going to hell in a handbasket, with global warming, wars in the middle east, 4 million refugees, unprecedented storms ( look at washington and n carolina) and you worry about a few letters on coins and notes, Half of the americans can't read anyway so what does it matter.

    1. J B Bell's Avatar J B Bell

      We are allowed to care about more than one thing at a time. Because we're irked by Christian supremacy being imposed on our currency does not mean we don't care about global climate change and all the rest. Why would you even think that? I don't assume that Christians don't care about these grave matters because e.g. they're upset at being unfairly characterized as "deluded" by certain atheists. For that matter, you are taking time out from your busy day of prioritizing ethical issues to declaim how someone else is wasting their time. Which is the greater waste of time, then?

    2. Matthew's Avatar Matthew

      I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.

    3. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Yes. Just take hold of the words In God We Trust and leave all things up to Him. Don't become involved with worldly things like money. They are pieces of paper that have no life. God is life.

  1. Rev. Gary Shade's Avatar Rev. Gary Shade

    The establishment clause was meant to prevent our Federal Government from establishing a favored religion, from favoring one religion over another. Nothing in the establishment clause should be misconstrued as a prohibition on religion itself.

    In Orden v. Perry 2005 the U.S. Supreme Court noted: " As we explained in Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U. S. 668 (1984): "There is an unbroken history of official acknowledgment by all three branches of government of the role of religion in American life from at least 1789."

    They also stated in the majority opinion " This case, like all Establishment Clause challenges, presents us with the difficulty of respecting both faces. Our institutions presuppose a Supreme Being, yet these institutions must not press religious observances upon their citizens." - See more at:

    In this particular case, a monument on public property was allowed to stand.

    In the case of money, no government institution is pressing any type of observance on the Godless individual. They are free to disagree which is also protect by the First Amendment.

    1. Dennel B. Tyon (@dbtyon)'s Avatar Dennel B. Tyon (@dbtyon)

      Eloquently put, Gary...

  1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

    To give anyone the impression that America is a Christian nation is a would be better to advertise the freedom of religion...that's what I would rather be remembered for..being a free and tolerant nation.

    1. Doc Cribbett's Avatar Doc Cribbett

      I agree with your viewpoint with 1 exception that is becoming a national security issue: the latest of the man-made fear-based, heavily judgmental religions: Islam. Islam itself seems even more heavily driven by the Law of Natural Selection in that certain behaviors are promoted for human sameness (as opposed to various less common outside-the-box behaviors strongly frowned upon by their religious zealots). The true beauty and miracle of this life experience (not to be confused with fairy-tale inspired after-life paradises promoted by man made religions) is CONTRAST!!! Individuality brings about incredible variations of food, sound, colors, feelings, creativity, imagination,... Islam at its core has no exceptance of ANY other man-made fear-based religion and I have to admit: Islam has enough fear-based dogma to satisfy ALL other religions combined! I fear that I could be wrong and actually win my 72 virgins just to discover they are all Hilliary Clinton clones,...then I will certainly tell Alla where to go! LoL!! Don't ya reckon that our supreme " all that is" has a sensational sense of humor??? The Head Honkey surely was on a roll when he allowed some comittee to attempt to design the horse only to wind-up with a camel!

      1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

        True traditional Islam is actually a very peaceful and tolerant religion...don't hold against the religion what some radicals have done with it....Christianity has done it's share of radicalism..(the inquisitions come to mind).

      2. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

        Individuality is the obstacle we are here to overcome. We are one. This material existence is a mere tide pool in a vast ocean of life. We are spiritual beings having a material experience, not material beings having a spiritual experience. The petty bickering's of this life are pointless. This life is a single grain of sand on a endless shore of being. Relax and love thine enemy. Hate only begets hate. We are all headed to the same understanding. Our choices only determine the path we choose to take there. We are one. Our greatest foe is ourselves.

        1. Father Jim's Avatar Father Jim

          I agree. Very well said. I can't agree with you moreHave a very Blesses Day.

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Correct James, but there are many Christians who would disagree with you. Here are a few quotes attributed to Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence , for their benefit.

      "I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians."

      "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

      "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."

      "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."

      "Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."

  1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

    Much of the Christian uproar in the U.S., whether it be about inserting God onto currency, into schools (including text books), in/on government buildings, at public assemblies, from the mouths of politicians and more has, at it's root, the belief that the U.S. was founded as a "Christian Nation". This misconception may very well have been bolstered from those very sources, plus whatever was adopted through family and church. Here's a very well written article, complete with links to sources to verify the information isn't mere opinion, that makes it clear that the "founding fathers" had no intention of creating a Christian republic. It's also an excellent synopsis of how The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Articles of Confederation addressed religion.

    Here's an excerpt quoting Thomas Jefferson…."The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding…."

    1. middlegroundministries's Avatar middlegroundministries

      Thanks so much for that information, Brother John! Rev DB Tyon

  1. Minister Paul's Avatar Minister Paul

    Minister Paul believes there is no practical reason to put this slogan on money. People should realize it's probably propaganda since no one really knows what anyone believes. It makes our country look better than others is the intent that is most likely.

  1. Minister Paul's Avatar Minister Paul

    Minister Paul also says Who Cares? Is it hurting anyone to have the motto on our coin and currency?

    1. Sir Lord Baron Von Reverendstein M.D., D.D.'s Avatar Sir Lord Baron Von Reverendstein M.D., D.D.

      you are my new favorite person

  1. wickedpa's Avatar wickedpa

    I seriously doubt that any bill or coinage would spend any differently with or without " In God We Trust " stamped on it. If it was removed a little at a time I wonder if anyone would even notice.

  1. RAY's Avatar RAY

    My concern is for knowing what constitutes religion or spirituality or no religion or no spirituality as a premise for giving all equal opportunities without infringment. What if one of the afore mentioned groups doesn't have the moral stature to be concerned in the process.what or where do we get our laws of morality and equality from what is the scale of justice if not a group of ideas that stand us apart from the common thugs.we can see how society in the middle east has given men free reign to require the women to be covered infidel nonbelievers are nothing to them and if Mohamed is the spiritual point of destination why would I want to follow this peaceful man of Allah if he took sex slave that was 9 yrs old as wife and impregnated her.what possible reason would I have to find any enlightenment from this path or path that maintains less equality than the American version.what if the conservatives tried to put burkahs on all women and gays aND anyone who wasn't a white you think the other powers in the world would accept us with the same open arms.I think not.Action and Inaction are not things of peace but of cowards not willing to voice or refusal to become a country run amok.I am no christian,muslim Catholic or atheist but I am spiritual and only recognize spirituality if it doesn't approve of those ho4ible things.just my opinion .lol

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      A couple of points in reply, Ray. In the U.S., the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the legal system are the sources of morality and equality. There's no need for belief in any god for people to live morally and respectfully. The laws deal with those who don't.

      Muslim women are not required to be covered. Those that do are following cultural as much as religious practices. In many Jewish communities, married women are expected to cover their heads. The Bible says women should either have their heads covered or shaved. (see 1 Corinthians 11:5-7)

      There are "non-believers" living in all Muslim countries whose legal system is Sharia Law. They are not subject to it so long as their actions do not affect Muslims (selling alcohol, stealing, distributing pornography, etc.) They are however, expected to dress and act modestly and respectfully.

      It's not uncommon to read disparaging remarks about Muslims and Islam these days, as you've done here. If you've studied any of the popular "holy books" and religions, I understand why you've rejected them, but do not understand why you chose to single out Islam, other than the rampant bigotry and propaganda that's become so prevalent in western nations. For those who continue to promote the Bible while denigrating the Koran, how do these passages go un-noticed?

      1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

      1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

      1 Peter 2:18: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel."

      "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die". Deuteronomy 21:18-21

      These examples (there are many more) are certainly not fit to provide morality or equality to any society.

      Just a head's up. Your comment was difficult to read without a space and Capital letter to transition between sentences.

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        Another point of interest is the constant harping about "democracy" in the U.S. The fact is it was founded as a republic, not a democracy, and there's a significant difference.

  1. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

    Perhaps, ( in "god" we trust ), would be suitable these days. --note the lower case and quote/unquote notation. --being flat out atheist is still a way minority position.

    1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Try trusting in God and see what He does !

      1. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

        Barbara, I identify as agnostic. This community (U.L.C.), embraces all books, or no book. This coin thing is a non-issue. What i find interesting is that you have "gone off" on this issue. Coincidentally, I notice a mega response from fellow ministers apparently only because it was brought up in a newsletter. This topic has been addressed previously. And comparatively, only lightly when it was just thrown into the blog. My point is, that evidently many of our fellow travelers feel moved to engage only if the perception is that the topic was "highlighted" by a newsletter. The value of this ministry is its online priests and the sharing and growing of concepts between us. I see this community as from the bottom up not top down. And, as a group, I see us interested in the betterment of all human, animal, earthly and heavenly (local) conditions, regardless of religious orientation. That is what would be called enlightenment. We all have the opportunity to PREACH when we wish, but I think measurable success is more likely with an audience that already believes as you do.

        1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

          I will only speak the truth regardless of what anybody else thinks - just as you do. That's our privilege but it is up to people to judge and decide for themselves what is right for them. All we can do is share our belief. If we don't then there cannot be any interaction between us. What if I do go off on a tangent? You be as clever as you want to be and I will just be me.

          1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

            We can do more than "share our belief", Barbara. We can also share facts with sufficient evidence, or beliefs without evidence. We are all entitled to our beliefs, but not our own facts.

          2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

            Barbara said…."That’s our privilege but it is up to people to judge and decide for themselves what is right for them."

            As a Christian, it's not up to you to judge, Barbara. You're "teaching" (and preaching) contradicts your own Bible……

            Matthew 7:1-29 ESV

            “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. …

            "Your comments are more offensive than her inability to express herself as she would wish"

            "The voice of God will be heard throughout the nations of the world in spite of you and your pathetic little people."

            "Don’t bother replying because I’m not interested in your claptrap."

            "Then it is your God, the devil, a false one, not the real God."

        2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

          By the way you see me as an agnostic which is someone that believes God cannot be proved, whereas what I have been saying, if you read them all, Is that God will reveal Himself through the word. I am His own creation. I am proof of Him. So how can I deny He cannot be proven. As He says in Psalm 1.1 blessed are those who do not walk in the counsel of the unGodly. So I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore. I know who God is and I am proving His existence everyday and I will continue to do so. Don't bother replying because I'm not interested in your claptrap.

          1. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

            Barbara, pls forgive me. I was not clear that I was addressing you. I am the agnostic. And your definition should include the "not yet proven".

          2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

            Thank you for your concise definition of agnostic, William…. "not yet proven" as opposed to "does not exist". FYI, your comment was not claptrap in my eyes.

  1. Michael Chaffee's Avatar Michael Chaffee

    WOW!...absolutely amazing to me how the topic of where the word G_D is or isn't constitutionally, and therefore correctly exhibited on U.S. currency.

    Is anyone in America really being "forced" to pray to any form of G_D?

    Since these complaints are most often from folks who don't actually believe in "G_D", then isn't the word "G_D" meaningless to them?

    If someone doesn't believe in such a thing, then what are people so afraid of when they see it spelled out..hum?

    The claim is that they shouldn't have to be reminded of a higher authority figure (as Americans) while they are holding on to their American currency.

    The name G_D isn't even the correct name, it is purely symbolic and really only represents a gesture of good faith. Thus, it is the faith in G_D that seems to be objectionable.

    Would it be better for us to place our "trust" in nothing beyond the accountability of ourselves? Isn't "thyself" the most addictive drug known to mankind?

    Aren't we actually witnessing the early signs of "self authority" withdrawals, when we see such contempt exhibited for what is being claimed as meaningless, yet seems to mean so much more?

    I realize that it must be overwhelmingly compelling to pick up that syringe and get another fix of "thyself" and no one should have to share that space in one's own psyche being held for one's very own self authority!

    So...would we be better off, if we just turn our money over to these addicts?....LOL!

    The crux of the matter is that some folks are evidently very uncomfortable with the word G_D, as it identifies with many of our human behaviors as being in conflict with morality.

    Some folks want to have the right to not be reminded of a form of morality that is founded in religious beliefs, such as a monotheistic deity of higher authority, which is in direct conflict with the secular precepts of self authority...hum?

    Some feel it's wrong, to be unwillingly exposed to, not just religion but a word that represents the confinement of one's own free thinking.

    Actually in all fairness (as if that is even possible) these precepts of secular immorality are taking on the appearance of a belief system that believes in the religion of non-beliefs and arguing that their religious freedoms are being imposed upon by having to be reminded about a word for G_D on our common currency.

    Of course all along while denying others the right to being reminded of a G_D influencing morality. The claim is that their right to not be reminded is more important than another person who shares the same ownership to a piece of currency.

    To be exposed to believing or to not be exposed to believing in G_D in any form of shared Americana, isn't in conflict with what the founding fathers had intended when having added, The 1st Amendment of the Constitution.

    That adoption of law specifically states;

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

    In review of George Washington's Farewell Address he is quoted here;

    "Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

    Thus this founding father here explained that; "The adoption of the Constitution will demonstrate as visibly the finger of Providence as any possible event in the course of human affairs can ever designate it"

    Thus the foundational pillars of our great nation are deeply embedded into the bedrock of a divine providence with spoken clearly, as the labored fingers of G_D was spoken of having had a hand in it's formation via the influences on G_D respecting men.

    Whether one wishes to believe or not, that is a fact, which can't be denied.

    Daniel Webster regarded the Constitution is this quote; "it almost appears a Divine interposition on our behalf "

    Thus the idea of an authoritative G_D, not the word G_D is what is at the heart of this matter. We have allowed G_D to be kicked out of our public schools and look where this has gotten the public educational system?

    In repealing the premise of higher authority and invoking self-authority as a societal way-point, aren't we forgetting something about man's history...hum?

    Oh no worries, that's right history always comes back to repeat itself again and again and again!

    Have a most blessed day.

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Michael starts by asking "Is anyone in America really being “forced” to pray to any form of G_D?" Here are excerpts from the documentary Jesus Camp. The entire documentary is available for viewing. Are we to believe all these children are there by choice, or because their fundamentalist parents sent them? Notice the mother raising her children's hands for them at 1:38.

      1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

        It is funny how syntax gets us going, isn't it? Since we are exchanging understanding, here goes. In my understanding of what is going on here in the universe, it is like this. The creator created all in the universe, upon doing so it wished for companions. The creator took a portion of itself and created all the souls at one time. So each soul is a little piece of the creator, hence we are one. Each was a perfect copy of the creator with all the powers and knowledge of itself. These proved to be mere mirror images of itself and therefore not true companions. So, the creator gave each one, all at once, two extra gifts, individuality and free will. Some souls stayed with the creator in perfect union with it's will even though they were now individuals and could do as they pleased. Others saw a universe and set out to have experiences that they chose. We here on earth would be in that bunch. All souls are heading back to AT-ONE-MENT with the creator to fulfill our destiny as it's companions. The creator set in place systems (Laws if you wish) governing the universe and all the souls upon our creation. We can do as we please. Our actions simply determine how the frame work of universal systems interact with us based on these decisions. Being a self addict implies to me that there is another option where the creator could run our lives. That would negate free will I fear. The creator created us and gave us free will. We chose to create religion in its present form. We choose the acts of good or evil we do. The creator is impartial except as our choices interact with the systems governing us. The creator, in my opinion, is not a kid with a magnifying glass frying some of us it dislikes and feeding sugar to those it likes. What we do to each other is our affair. The golden rule says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I like to add "even if they don't." Regardless of belief we have the power to accomplish that one rule to each person we meet. THIS IS NOT EASY! Everything else is commentary and dogma pretty much. It seems to me that humans have not evolved past the tribal mentality for the most part. I fear as a species we are in a horrible stagnation of the spirit. Money and books of doctrine seem to be a big part of that. Any Thoughts?

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          Very interesting post I.S. My first impression was your use of the term "creator" instead of "Creator" or "God" in keeping with your opening sentence. My thoughts about "what it's all about" are based a couple of premises.

          One…. considering that there are an estimated 17 billion earth sized planets in our galaxy, and between 100 and 200 billion galaxies, the belief that we humans are anything close to the epitome of creation is beyond preposterous. To imagine that a god that created this immense, unfathomable Universe thinks we are special seems very presumptuous and ego driven.

          Two…. As humans our perception is limited to three dimensions. Physically it's height, width and length. More importantly, we are limited by the illusion of Time…. Past, Present and Future. Everything we can imagine is contained within these constraints. "Infinite" is simply everything in "the Future" and it's beyond our grasp. The Past is everything that's ever happened. The only reality is the thin nano-slice of the Present.

          Three…. Virtually all deities are supernatural and extraterrestrial. This includes Allah, God, Zeus and Odin.

          It is very possible that there are more than the three dimensions of Time and Space. Dimensions that we are not capable of perceiving or understanding. It's quite possible that there are 12 as this number comes up frequently in esoteric and "holy" books… 12 disciples, 12 brotherhoods, 12 planes of existence, 12 signs of the zodiac and more. I've posted links to Carl Sagan's excellent explanation of the fourth dimension before and it can be found on YouTube in various formats, including one in which he attempts to illustrate a four dimensional shape.

          Virtually all belief systems have made attempts to explain the unexplainable (other dimensions) with allegories, myths and dogma that fall far short of any clarity, especially when they're humanized. At death, Dr. Sagan believed we simply return to stardust. Maybe the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about in the end.

          My compliments for your thoughtful, secular post.

  1. Rev. Lyndon's Avatar Rev. Lyndon

    Hey, I figured it out! Know how states have many choices of license plates? So let's have different currencies! We can print one for each major factor/group utilizing the same security measures we currently utilize! We have so many different bills now, what would it hurt? Peace for all!

    1. Matthew's Avatar Matthew

      Do you remember the Articles of Confederation?

  1. Larry's Avatar Larry

    God is in my life and always has been, shoved down your throat, I don't think so, but other religions are Like the Muslims. This country was founded on Christian values and it works for us, don't like it, ignore it or leave!

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      That's not really in the spirit of ULC...

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      You're wrong Larry. See my Jan. 22 9:27pm post. Who appointed you as spokesperson for your country? Regarding the basis for your Christian values, I encourage you to watch the videos of Dr. Bart Ehrman I posted on the same day at 10:17 pm.

      Out of curiosity, when was the last time a Muslim tried to shove their beliefs down your throat?

    3. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Here's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Larry.

      ”The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….”

      You can make up your own beliefs, but not your own facts, my friend.

  1. Qrez's Avatar Qrez

    "In God we trust" is a big f*** you to polytheist and religious systems that do not worship any gods specifically. It also points to clearly towards the jewdeo-christian tradition

    It's also a bit ironic since I would argue Americans arguably should be using "in Mammon we trust" if they are being truly honest at least about the economic since Regan...

    The best choice would be "In secular government we trust" because that is what has truly allowed religious diversity and freedom to flourish..

    if you look at countries with a state religion that has typically stagnated religiosity more.

    I mean Sweden actually is a "Christian nation" and they are almost all atheists :p

    So basically if you want to kill God make Christianity a state religion...

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      Well said...

    2. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

      Not really feeling the "in God we Trust" but would certainly not like "In secular government we trust" as we should all know that we cannot trust the government!

  1. Stephen Wehrenberg's Avatar Stephen Wehrenberg

    I think money is our God.

    1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

      I rather regrettably concur with your statement. In the course of centuries, this country has fallen slave to making money and profit come first in everything they do. It causes the huge economic gap that we have and face today by those who try not to worship (people who have families And family time consistently) And those who worship daily (classic workaholics). It's an unfortunate truth that I've seen as early as 8 years old. Nothing in life is ever free, and even magic or miracles come with a price. I apologize if any of this sounds blazingly cynical.

    2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Then it is your God, the devil, a false one, not the real God.

  1. Keith Redmon's Avatar Keith Redmon

    The Constitution prohibits the promotion of one religion over another. The word "god" has been used to describe many and various dieties over the thousands of years that religions have been in existance. As long as no particular "god" or religion is referenced, it passes for me.

    1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      If you cannot stand up for what you believe then what is the point of it?

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        But some people tend to loudly proclaim their beliefs as indisputable facts, Barbara. You can question, but can't prove or disprove beliefs. But you can with facts. Once they've been disproven a few times, any that follow are received with great skepticism.

  1. Elie Dormezil's Avatar Elie Dormezil

    Yes we want it on the money. America is In God We Trust.

  1. Rev. Rob Nelson's Avatar Rev. Rob Nelson

    In God We Trust has been on paper since the late 1800's and on the penny since 1909. This was a motto as a reminder that God is everywhere. If the motto has been there for over 2 centuries why change it now? Maybe we all should learn that we have freedoms that we take for granted everyday. The freedom of speech, religion, bear arms, and many more. So my answer to should the motto In God We Trust be removed from our currency NO. Why? It is a reminder that God is everywhere!!!!

    1. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

      Well there was a long established institution of slavery in this country as well. I believe that most people on this site would agree that eliminating slavery through the 13th Amendment of the Constitution was a change worth making.

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        The issue of slavery in the Bible is a touchy topic for most Christians. The OT clearly condones slavery in both Exodus and Deuteronomy, but what about the NT?

        1 Peter 2:18 You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you--not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.

        Another excellent example of the benefits of keeping religion out of government.

  1. Jim's Avatar Jim

    I'm not really concerned about it. What I am concerned about is that Texas police cruisers have a cross on them!!!!!!!

  1. Judy fruth's Avatar Judy fruth

    Listen up! This is MY opinion and only mine. I think that our money, as well as the many buildings that are built with "In God We Trust" on them, should be a message to all who live in the United States. It means more than just trusting in God. To me, it means that my God loves ALL peoples and all creations. Jesus died for ALL our sins, that means everybody, whether Christian or Atheist, and everyone in between.

    1. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

      Just a matter of whether EVERYONE'S tax dollars should be spent to promote the religious beliefs of a sub group of citizens of the US, especially in light of the well established principal of separation of Church and State.

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      I appreciate the fact that you clearly stated your comment was your opinion and only your opinion rather than indisputable fact, Judy. If your God is the biblical god, there were many exceptions to loving all people and creations. This is understandable considering God's attributes…..

      “For the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.” (Deut: 6:15)

      “See, the day of the LORD is coming –a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger– to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.” (Is 13:9)

      “The Lord is a man of war.” (Ex 15:3)

      “For the Lord is a devouring fire, a jealous God (Deut 4:24)

      “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.” (Deut 5:9)

      He hates entire nations sometimes. And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:23

      Synonyms for abhor include; hate, despise, detest and loath.

      He hates all workers of iniquity. Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Psalm 5:5

      He hates wicked people and those who love violence. I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings. Hosea 9:15 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Psalm 11:5

      He hates false witnesses and busibodies. These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Proverbs 6:16, 19

      And (for some strange reason) he hated Esau. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Malachi 1:3 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Romans 9:13

      1. JO-ANN's Avatar JO-ANN

        I believe that OUR FATHER, OUR CREATOR, does love all his creation each and every human created.....that being said...He must cry when an individual soul, because of the FREE WILL , he has bestowed upon all of us, chooses the dark perks of evil....his heart must break as would yours for your child taking the wrong hopes that we can agree that evil is the wrong path....but, let that go....when GOD does draw the line....and, its over... for example right now ....we hate the act....forgive the pertetrator....soon the pertetrator and act will be one....GOD is asking us to choose right now....soon will be him who will be doing the choosing....AND WE HAVE BEEN DULEY WARNED!

  1. Gene Evans's Avatar Gene Evans

    Our trust in God has helped make our country, and should be shown on our currency. These atheists are trying to force their lack of religion on us, they forget our forefathers had a deep faith in God. All of those who have given their lives for this country believing in God has given these people what they have now and the ability to be nonbelievers. In the long run they should be thankful to God.

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      I atheist were trying to force their lack of religion on you they would be pushing for our currency to say "In No God We Trust"...all they are asking is for Christianity not to be shoved down their throats...

  1. Brother Peter's Avatar Brother Peter

    Worries about the "under God" wording of the Pledge of Allegiance are important because they impact school children. That said, when will the Church address the dominionist movement reprsented by Ted Cruz and others which wants to convert the United States into a biblical nation -- his view only, of course? See:

  1. Anne 'Arie's Avatar Anne 'Arie

    I don't think that it should be taken away. Although it doesn't matter to me whether or not "In God We Trust" is on our money, I don't think people should get all up in the air about such things. Demanding that all references to things that are comforting to others be taken away seems spiteful to me. Regardless of whether they choose to admit it or not, everyone has a "God." My God is not some judgemental dude up in the sky pulling puppet strings to be blamed for everything that goes wrong on earth but an entity that lives within my own heart. My God within is the keeper of patience, love and forgiveness who helps me make the kind of daily decisions that keep me able to look at myself in the mirror.

  1. Dominick Piaquadio's Avatar Dominick Piaquadio

    Even though my baseline is Catholicism, I feel that God should be removed from currency because God and money don't mix. Money (while it can do good applied towards a righteous cause) can be fuel for sinful acts. Money can create wars, spread diseases through prostitution, elect politicians who support immoral corporate practices, and further poverty due to a lot of people trying to fill a void that doesn't exist through consumerism. God is an enitity of Free Will and Love. Unless a person manipulates others by using God, God can spread hope, aid others in their time of need through charity, and teaches people to love and respect others regardless of their (lack of) faith. God unites people while money divides them, so should God be on currency? God shows unconditional love, while money instantly gratifies while you have it. Should God be represented as someone who loves you only if you have money? No. God is constant, money is a variable. Constant does not equal variable, therefore God does not equal currency.

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Excellent points, Dominick! Carved into a church alter, or preached in a sermon, sure. But on money?

      1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

      Matt 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

  1. Father Jim's Avatar Father Jim

    As time goes by; children have less and less respect for their parents.and adults.This must be changed.Instead of arguing and worrying what is on our money; lets work with our children showing them respect , Love, right from wrong and caring for each other..

  1. ben sherlock's Avatar ben sherlock

    God is in charge and always will be.Every one has to be to be wright that what causes wars and deaths..It not the least bit important.. My father is and always is forever !

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      Let's not get on a soapbox about Christianity...this is ULC and we are tolerant of all views...

      1. JO-ANN's Avatar JO-ANN

        ....WE DO BELIEVE GOD IS IN CONTROL......that is plain and should all who get up each day and pray to whatever GOD is to you....I PRAY that non-CHRISTIANS would leave what we have going alone....find something to put what you believe in on..MONEY IS TAKEN......the CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS...unbelievable how they are being GOD WE TRUST! I say lets put GOD on more stuff....lets let GOD know that we choose HIM. WITHOUT QUESTION....I CHOOSE GOD...YOUR GOD.... MY GOD ....OUR GOD! The only people I LEAVE OUT is athiest and satanist...right? AND, I HONOR their free will to be an athiest and OUR STORY UNFOLDS.

        I go one further and forgive all those who .... respond with ....a negative way of saying that I am wrong for stating what is mine to state...let common sense prevail...and, our free will survive the ULC

      2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        So why does Christianity have to be curtailed?

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          I think James is probably talking about fundamentalist, evangelical Christians, Barbara, because of his reference to getting on a soapbox. If that's correct, I agree with him for reasons such as……

          They vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of theirs.

          They laugh at polytheists, but have no problem believing in a Triune God.

          They believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share their beliefs — though excluding those in rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering, and yet consider their religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”

          They loudly condemn the atrocities attributed to Allah, but don't even flinch about the God ordered slaughter of men, women, children and animals in the Bible.

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      A curious comment, ben. Yes, fundamentalist beliefs (have to be right) causes wars and deaths.. But "not the least bit important?"

  1. Mike Reed's Avatar Mike Reed

    We live in a democracy, put it to a vote. Quite frankly I am sick and tired listening to this argument, let the majority rule.

    1. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

      We have live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is tyranny by the majority. OK, perhaps it is a democracy.

      1. Mike Reed's Avatar Mike Reed

        Your comment did not add value, it was just a statement that you do not like the way our government works. If that is the point then try living in Russia, Indonesia, North Korea, China, etc. and then judge our way of living. One voice one vote, allow those in America to choose and not the Supreme Court. When we allow lawyers to determine how we live and think we may as well live in the aforementioned countries. I am not ashamed to say I love God but I am infuriated by those who don't being able to whine and get their way. The Bill of Rights are for everybody and not for a select few and were written over 225 years ago by a group of individuals who knew what they put on paper would not last the test of time. So, put all of these disagreements in one big ball and put it to the vote, allow the citizens to determine wording and prayer in school.

        1. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

          So the answer to not liking something (like the way our government takes away our rights as individuals) is to go to Russia or North Korea? Sorry, but it looks like it is you who do not like what this country represents and stands for - perhaps you should go to Russia or China.

          The Founders did not believe that the Constitution had an expiration date (please let me know where you got that idea). The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and has a specific procedure for making amendments to it.

          So therefore, as we live in a republic, it is not up to a vote of the majority to deny citizens of their right to bear arms or their right to free speech.

      2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        You're right Stephen, and there are distinct and important differences between the two….

        The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system where citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. However, in a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

  1. Vickie Piper's Avatar Vickie Piper

    I believe God has a place in everything! And as for putting time in our children!!!!! I grew up with a great mom. She has my respect. I raised 2 boys and I have their respect. What is written on money and raising our children have nothing to do with each other. It is up to the parents to raise their children with respect.

  1. Dennis's Avatar Dennis

    Money is root of all evil, 1 Timothy 6:10King James Version (KJV)

    10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    if this to be held true, then why do we involve God on our money? seems hypocritical to do such a thing (according to the bible). This is not a christian nation, never was intended to be, one of the reasons we left England. People are allowed to worship their God in their own way, but separation of church and state define that the government can not endorse any religion, but we seem to be endorsing christianity, and that goes against our constitution. I think it should be removed from money and the pledge of allegiance (imo)

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      Well said...

    2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Faith is trusting in God not money. God created all there is and everything is meant to be as He created it to be. He is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Not any religion. The whole world is supposed to be a follower of His word but in this world is the anti-Christ with his varying philosophies that are contrary to it. The identity of Christ is lost to worldly people and they identify with all that is not of Him. So man has ended up in trusting in anything but God.

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        Faith is defined as "confidence or trust in a person or thing" Barbara, just a particular God. One of those things could be our ability to think rationally and to be skeptical about adopting beliefs without evidence as the truth.

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          …..not just a particular God.

  1. Claude Leonard's Avatar Claude Leonard

    God is everywhere. If we start removing then He will stay away. God has always stay true to our choices and decisions. In God we rust should stay.

    1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

      Why not change it to "In Allah we trust?" "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God."

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        Why not "In Fiat Currency We Trust". The only thing that gives it value is mass belief. There's nothing to back it up. The history of fiat money, to put it kindly, has been one of failure. In fact, EVERY fiat currency since the Romans first began the practice in the first century has ended in devaluation and eventual collapse, of not only the currency, but of the economy that housed the fiat currency as well.

  1. Cori C.'s Avatar Cori C.

    If our nation fully turns it's back on God...we are sure to be damned and will fall like Babylon

    1. Dennis's Avatar Dennis

      how is removing IN God we trust from money turning our back on him? are you serious?

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        Because the love of money is the root of all evil and should be separated from God who will provide us with our daily needs if we put our trust in Him. The world, however, wants to get all they can get outside the will of God and turn to money as their god and in whom they trust. So the question is: who is your God.

  1. John M. Costanza's Avatar John M. Costanza

    I am tired of the same old arguments concerning this issue. The same old school yard mentality of Ha Ha I win you lose. Even with the intelligent arguments supplied from both sides, the end result is still the same. If memory serves me well, the addition of these words to our money and Pledge, has been a relatively recent occurrence. This in it's self may be a surprise to some. I would rather some one explain when this happened, and more importantly why. Also the players involved with the change. Then and then only will I make a decision if these words should stay or go away. JC

    1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Yes these are petty things, vain philosophies. Get into the word of God and keep out of this worldly nonsense.

  1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

    When Jesus entered Jerusalem he and Peter were stopped by Roman soldiers and asked to pay a tax. He asked Peter who's image was upon the coins of Rome and Peter replied Caesar's. Did he not then say 'give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and give unto God that which is God's?' The central document of the Christian Faith answers this question quite clearly. If you do not follow the tenants of Christ, Buddha and Krishna, all who spoke against the accumulation of material wealth as the worst degradation of the spirit, what will you follow? OUR CREATOR HAS NO USE FOR MONEY! OH MAN, PLACE NOT THY FAITH IN THIS PRESENT WORLD! We do not honor our creator by placing an ersatz name upon our coins. We honor our creator in our hearts and by our actions towards one another. Peace be with you.

    1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Money is the currency of the anti-Christ and Faith is the currency of Christ. Who is your God? Your answer will come from your source of wealth.

      1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

        If you are buying things with money, are you then a servant of this anti-Christ? I just want you to think about what you said. If the creator created all in the universe, does this not include Lucifer? How can a creation of a being who can create everything in any way challenge that creator? The struggle of good and evil exists only in each of us. There is no battle between heaven and hell. That is a fairytale created by men to control the populace. We are one from a single source created to be companions to that source. Nothing more, nothing less. Each must find their own way to this truth. This world is just one place in this system and this system is just one place in a limitless expanse of experience as we journey home. Dogma is not Gospel. Even the bible warns of that mistake. "Oh! you generation of Vipers. You shall never know my fathers house for you preach as Gospel the doctrines of men" I think it is in Luke, in the standard edition Bible. Peace be with you.

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          One of the most intelligent and succinct comments I've seen on this site, I.S. Johnson. Considering the vastness of the known Universe, it's stunning that any of us believe we are somehow special, at it's centre and the epitome of creation.

  1. p. woodard's Avatar p. woodard

    If we don't continue to keep GOD in our forefront, the world will go to hell in a handbag! Clearly, that's what's happening now. To take God out of the mix. Out of the midst. Out of classrooms. Off money. To drop Him is horrendous and we will NEVER gain the type of love, harmony and world God intends us to have. God is the ONLY answer to ALL that is good and right. Allowing ANYBODY to take the meaning that God represents is an abomination.

    1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

      Apparently, holding him in your heart isn't good enough.

    2. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      I thought this was ULC where we are tolerant of all religions not just the ones that suit you...

      1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

        We are all here to freely express our beliefs with the intention of helping our brothers. Of course we will tread on the toes of many as we reach the few that we can help.

      2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        That's what I initially thought as well, James. However, there are a significant number who believe they have the only path to the Truth and feel compelled to share it with us over and over again. One of the benefits of this forum is that once we're aware of who they are we can choose to scroll past their proselytizing to something more enlightening. However, as some of them are not participating in the spirit of the ULC, they can also be challenged, which, to me, is the whole point of an open discussion. Virtually all comments I've read that are intolerant of beliefs other than their own are, ironically, from Christians.

  1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

    Secularism is for grownups (and for those of us who, with varying degrees of success, are pretending to be).

  1. Rev. Bryan P Bradford's Avatar Rev. Bryan P Bradford

    The Atheist need to mind their own business and "In God We Trust" shall not be removed from any money!

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      I thought this was ULC where we are tolerant of all views, even atheism...

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        The entity is, but not all members are, James. We all have the choice to engage them or just scroll on by….

  1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

    A real quick comment - the reason for putting "In God We Trust" on our codes and inserting "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance has nothing to do with faith and/or religion. Note the year in which these changes were made and think about what was taking place in this country (for those who jump to the conclusion, it was in the early 1950s and this country was dominated by a fear of communism - the changes were political in nature as a statement against the godless, communist menace). Do I want to take the phrases off? Considering the lifetime of coins and paper money, it's not worth the effort? Should we return the Pledge of Allegiance to its original state? On that, we again must turn to the reason why it is said in the first place (which, again, has nothing to do with what it's author intended. And by the way, the author of the Pledge of Allegiance was a Baptist minister.)

    1. Karl's Avatar Karl

      If you actually study the issues with in God We Trust and, and "under God" in the pledge, you will find that indeed, BOTH were the result of faith and religion. To claim otherwise is to be totally disingenuous. The concept of a God--any God--simply cannot exist without either faith OR religion.

      1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

        Karl, I would have replied back in February but I didn't have the notification set right. I will accept the notion that God and religion are both the products of faith. And the insertion of the phrases into our lives is the product of a religion. But, to me, that is a false religion, because puts the nation before all else.

        And as I originally noted, the reasons for the inclusion were political in nature. I would add today, in light of the current situation, that they were pushed by an incorrect religious view.

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Thank you DrTony…. A couple of folks here are still clinging to the belief that the U.S. was founded as a "Christian" nation. Unfortunately, Evangelicals still exert substantial influence over legislation and policy. Many have switched their paranoid fear-mongering from the Red Menace to "the Muslims".

  1. Elizabeth Hagan's Avatar Elizabeth Hagan

    We are a free nation so those who choose to believe in God should be allowed to keep In God we trust on currency. Those who do not believe are free to ignore it and can believe in whatever they so choose. I find it amazing though that when a tragedy hits, the people who don't believe in God say "Oh my God what happened?"

  1. S miller's Avatar S miller

    It truly does not matter what this atheist tries to do... God cannot be stopped...!!! He is God!!! And IN GOD WE TRUST!!! ✨❤️✨

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      I thought this ULC where we are tolerant of all views, even atheism....

    2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Absolutely. Ever questioned why very few will actually make it into the Kingdom of God. Because in Him very few do not put all your trust.

  1. Stephen Cooper's Avatar Stephen Cooper

    Leave it on the money

    1. Stephen Fisher's Avatar Stephen Fisher

      Take it off the money.

    2. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      Yes leave it on the money. The message may finally get to them when they see what will happen to them and their money.

  1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

    Some of you need to read the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution.

    Amendment I

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

  1. Carole Lynn Steiner's Avatar Carole Lynn Steiner

    Unless these lunatics stop dissembling all that is meaningful to America, there will be nothing left! We must hold onto and treasure all that we, the overwhelming majority, hold dear, and we must stand up and speak up (constantly) to save our FREEDOMS. THIS is what should be taught in all the schools.

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      You want to talk about standing up for our freedoms? How about freedom of religion which means Christianity is not the national religion and it also means freedom from religion...we have the right not to have Christianity shoved down our throats every time we turn around....

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        Correct James! Freedom from religion is just as important as freedom of religion. I'll continue to challenge fundamentalist beliefs that have no evidence to support them, and expect that they will be met with biblical quotes as usual. It looks as though the anti-Christ has Canada under it's filthy wings as God is not mentioned on our currency.

  1. Rev. Howard Andersen's Avatar Rev. Howard Andersen

    The problem I see with removing 'In GOD we Trust" is just another step in removing GOD from everything. I wonder if it would have been OK if it was allah instead.

  1. Gerri's Avatar Gerri

    I think without GOD we are all lost ! Sometimes little reminders are need for people to remember what path they are on. Keep in mind-Everyone believes in a GOD & everyone is allowed to have their beliefs in there own GOD My faith is in my Heavenly Father & Jesus

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      There are millions (probably billions in reality) of people who don't believe in a GOD, Gerri. Virtually all of them are supernatural, superhuman beings or spirits with no discernible evidence of their existence, only belief. Most have faded into oblivion and more will follow.

  1. M. Sullivan's Avatar M. Sullivan

    It makes our coin different than other countries' coins. And, it's only on one side of the coin. If you don't want to read it, turn it over and read E Pluribus Unum, which means "out of many, one". Now, is that so tough to handle?We made one side for God-believers, which gives us hope, and one side for the non-believers and I don't know what gives them hope...maybe the stockmarket. Doesn't get more fair than that.

  1. Walter Green's Avatar Walter Green

    If it is acceptable to say "in God we trust" or "under God" in the pledge, it is a small added step to say which God. If you can say which God, then you can say that those who do not believe in that specific God are subject to penalties. I come from a family that fled France in the aftermath of the Saint Bartholemew's Day Massacres in which 10s of thousands of Protestant were slaughtered by Catholics in the 1500s because of how and which God they worshipped. Of course that could never happen in our United States. Fast forward to this century. In the 1970s I attended a national prayer breakfast event at which a military service chaplain called for the killing of Jews because "they had killed our Jesus" ... and the audience of officers and non-commissioned officers applauded. A very recent poll of voters shows that adherents to one major party in a just completed primary election were 60+% in favor of expelling Muslims from the United States. Regardless of how peaceful and accepting any religion is, the nature of religion is that my belief set is the true one, and that yours is not the true one. For those who have a deep seated pathological need to control others, that truth justifies whatever means are taken to grow the number of adherents to the truth and diminish the number who do not agree. When government uses religious statements to further enhance its power, the result is what we have seen throughout 4000 years of history, wars, massacres, pogroms, burnings at the stake, ethnic cleansing, extermination campaigns, etc., etc., all in the name of religious purity. Government in any country serves its citizens best when it is not in the God business, and allows matters of religion to be conducted in freedom by individuals who respect each other in a free civil society.

  1. cmdsgtmajor's Avatar cmdsgtmajor

    Leave the money alone, who cares if it says "In God We Trust". It's been that way for over 240 years, give or take. As for the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance; say it or don't say, no one is really going to know and if someone does, they probably won't care. We are pledging allegiance to our country, saying the phrase "Under God" is the Christian's hope that God will do something to help. I believe God exist, but I don't believe he interferes with the affairs of man.

    1. Dennis's Avatar Dennis

      actually its been that way since the late 1950's. please do a little research before commenting

      1. Michael Ulshafer's Avatar Michael Ulshafer

        Ok So your saying the motto did not appear before 1950's? how about 1860's According to the US Mint, 1864 a 2cent piece was minted with the phrase, yep you guessed it. And you get my 2 cent's worth.

  1. Italia Patterson's Avatar Italia Patterson

    Yes we are tolerant of all views. With or without the support of those who do not believe in God as all knowing, all powerful and all forgiving, God is and always has been everywhere. Be committed to ones own personal truth and through Jesus Christ our savior know that through these trials and tribulations,God is here in us with us around us unwavering. This is also my commitment to our fellow man to stand strong against these opposing forces. In God We "do" Trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  1. Dave Redix's Avatar Dave Redix

    I see no reason to remove these references from our money.

  1. TigerMoon2's Avatar TigerMoon2

    It makes me crazy that so many people really believe gods are real. I'm 66, but even if I live to be 100 I'll never understand how so many ADULTS all over this planet that's hurtling through space at 67,000 mph in it's orbit around the sun that is the center of our solar system, one of billions in the Milky Way Galaxy, which is only one galaxy among trillions in the universe, can believe gods are real. Buy you books, send you to school, all for nothing. Maybe you just need to get out of the house and travel around more. Or just stop and think about it objectively for a minute, maybe two, but that's all it should take, really. At the very least, quit fighting over things which do not exist. It only makes you look like a fool.

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Bravo, TigerMoon2!! It seems many people are so desperate to understand the "meaning and purpose of life" they will believe just about anything. Even more incredible are the number of them who fervently believe the only Truth is in a single book written and edited by men, of which there is no original, and the copies (of copies, of copies) full of contradictions and errors. As you've so eloquently stated, considering the vastness of the known Universe, to believe that we humans are the epitome of creation is nothing more than egotistical delusion.

  1. Bill's Avatar Bill

    God is God money is money, both are necessary for survival.

  1. j hudson aka Templar Saint's Avatar j hudson aka Templar Saint

    Well it does not make the money worth more.....the vast majority of people don't notice anyway......this issue would clog our politics , leave it alone.

  1. jacobwaltz's Avatar jacobwaltz

    The god they speak of on the worthless federal reserve notes happens to be the god of the jews, moloch. Moloch is just as worthless as federal reserve notes, and the one true GOD of this universe couldn't care less about what you think is valuable. Only GOD IS valuable.

  1. Rick Bernardi's Avatar Rick Bernardi

    Tell Mr Newdow that the word could be interpreted as an acronym for "good orderly direction" and he might be getting all worked up for nothing."In good orderly direction we trust". Now that shouldn't be too difficult to accept.

  1. jhelms's Avatar jhelms

    I strongly believe that these words should appear on our coins. This motto dates back almost a century and a half before it appeared on all of our currency in the 1950s.

    The words "In God We Trust" first appeared in the original words of the Star Spangled Banner written in 1814 by Frances Scott Key. They appear in the seldom sung and little known 4th verse of our national anthem. "then conquer we must, when our cause is just, And this our motto be:'In God is our Trust."

    It was exactly 50 years later that they first appeared on the bronze two-cent piece minted in 1864. The Mint Director from 1863, James Pollock, former Governor and Congressman from Pennsylvania recommended it be added to all currency during the first year of the Civil War. The recommendation originally came from Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase. "The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins," Chase told the mint director.

    George Washington's Prayer is an inspiration to our nation. In it, he asked God to: "dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation." Later he wrote in his Farewell Address, this advice to his fellow citizens "Religion and morality" were the "great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens." "National morality," he added, could not exist "in exclusion of religious principle." "Virtue or morality," he concluded, as the products of religion, were "a necessary spring of popular government."

    I believe that both what I written and quoted above and below are evidence that our forefathers intended that our trust be in God to lead this nation.

    Washington also said, "“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” "True religion affords to government its surest support."

    James Madison said "Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government."

    Benjamin Franklin said, "I believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel”

    Furthermore, The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” – United States Congress 1782

    By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:

    “In God We Trust” – United States Congress 1864

    “The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” – Benjamin Rush

    “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” – Benjamin Franklin

    “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.” – Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Harvard Speech, 1829

    “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation” – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

    “We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” – James Madison

    “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government” – James Madison

    O LORD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, high and mighty King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, who dost from Thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth, and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the kingdoms, empires and governments; look down in mercy we beseech Thee, on these American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor, and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring henceforth to be dependent only on Thee; to Thee they have appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious design of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their cause; and if they persist in their sanguinary purpose, O let the voice of Thy own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the counsels of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation, that the scene of blood may be speedily closed, that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety prevail and flourish among Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Savior. Amen.

    – First Prayer in Congress September 7, 1774, Jacob Duche, Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia

  1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

    Over the course of reading these comments again for the second time today got me thinking again about why the nation as a whole is at each other's throats over a small phrase. People in communities tend to bicker and fight over who is right in their beliefs when they would rather ignore the real reason why they refuse the change. The one constant in every life. Change is unavoidable in any religion or lack thereof. And it is, of course, what keeps us in chaos. The real question isn't should it be kept but why does it threaten someone to have it changed? I for one understand the seeming need to keep it. It has been the symbol of American pride and trust for decades. It does not just hit the religious with the instant blow to the gut.

    1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

      I am pagan and I honestly wish to keep it. The symbol of freedom has been held by the American people so long that it is near impossible to say.

    2. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

      However, I would like to put it to you here and now that until we stop arguing who has the right belief and put our faith in the goodwill of our family,

  1. Jim's Avatar Jim

    I cannot believe I wasted my afternoon reading this thread. Good grief people, our world has bigger problems than this....

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Agreed Jim. But you would have noticed that the "discussion" expanded far beyond the phrase on some currency. Fundamentalist evangelicals are at the heart of much of the world's problems today, as they have been for centuries. Until humankind discards the myths, dogma and propaganda that feeds bigotry, racism and hatred, the downward spiral of humanity will continue.

  1. Robert E McCallum's Avatar Robert E McCallum

    Ever see a banker with a button that says "in God we trust"? ever seen a bank with that logo? Now do you understand? Peace

  1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

    friends and neighbors (this does not mean just blood relatives And people in you immediate communities

    1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

      but our neighbors across country and even seas),

  1. Mistydawn Carter's Avatar Mistydawn Carter

    , we will forever be struggling to be free from the fear of change

  1. Rev. Bill's Avatar Rev. Bill

    We have always been a nation founded on God's pricipals, With all the continuing insanity going on in our world, we all need him ever present now, possibly as much as ever. In God we CAN trust!

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      Washington - first President of the U.S.
      Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence

      “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” ― George Washington

      I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789

      Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

      My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

  1. LFoster's Avatar LFoster

    Leave it on. The word "God" doesn't apply to only Jesus, Yahweh, or Allah, among all the names for God. Whenever I see a coin, usually a penny, on the ground I pick it up not. I do so not because of the value of the money but because of the phrase. It is a reminder to me that God does provide our daily needs (not necessarily our daily wants). And one of the ways that can be done in this time and culture and place is through the use of money. Leave it on.

  1. Edward Jennings's Avatar Edward Jennings

    It seems like one more thing just to cause a stir. If something as small as this topic can offend someone maybe some counseling first then a lawyer.

  1. Reverend Daniel H. Fenner II's Avatar Reverend Daniel H. Fenner II

    I have always been an advocate of removing this from our money. We all believe in our own unique version of how we see God. Jesus said "Then give the things of Caesar And the things to God to God. It was added to our paper money in starting in 1957 over Mccarthy and his unrealistic fear of communism that ruined some many lives and careers. Even though our coins as early as April 22, 1864 on the one cent and two cent coins. We all have free will to believe what we want to, but we do not have the right in this country to impose our beliefs on others. This is already the case of the religious Christian right in the US. I am open to all religions. In the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ which tells us that his early life was spent learning for the masters of the far east. God Bless and Be Well!

  1. Kingsley chimtuwa luke's Avatar Kingsley chimtuwa luke

    Only thing I know about this is weather or not, we have no right to judge God in this case because if God did not allow this money to come in issitant it won't be, so I think every country on earth has a particular money which they all use, so Amirecan US dallor shouldn't be the only evil money why others are good once no, so we must live this issue in the hands of God to handle thanks

  1. Eddy Kat's Avatar Eddy Kat

    From an Interpersonal or Organizational Communications stand point, the phrase "E Pluribus Unum" is a far more beneficial phrase. In God We Trust is extremely divisive. And given the natures and concepts of the Christian Divine, A Divided Kingdom CANNOT Stand. This is DIVINE MANDATE. (Matt 12:25) The idea "Of Many, One" is the same principal as the Bride of Christ. If this truly were a Spiritual debate vs. Socio-Religious Political Policy then the answer, at least to me, is clear.

    "God Money, I'll do anything for You." "God Money, just tell me what You want me to." "God Money, nail me up against a wall." "God Money, don't want everything, He wants it all."

    -Nine inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"

  1. Juandreta D, Donald's Avatar Juandreta D, Donald

    God has a place everywhere. In God We Trust is the foundation of this country. I believe that if this country was not founded in His trust we would not be the must power country in the world.

  1. Minister Anthony's Avatar Minister Anthony

    Despite the fact that over half of our founding fathers were Anglican (i.e., Church of England), they were quite clear that the government shall not establish a religion.

    Yet, in 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Dwight Eisenhower – recently baptized as a Presbyterian – encouraged Michigan Republican Charles Oakman to re-introduce a bill which Congress passed – adding the words, “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance. Two years later Eisenhower made “In God we Trust” our Nation’s official motto which then found its way onto our currency.

    When John Kennedy ran for president in 1960, many were obsessed with his Catholic faith. They believed that, if Kennedy was elected, the Pope would be telling him how to run the country. Today the GOP presidential candidates try to “out Christian” each other as they court the Evangelicals. That endorsement will come with strings attached. At the same time they talk about what our founding fathers intended, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You can’t have it both ways.

    A majority of Americans subscribe to the concept of a Supreme Entity. Whether they all pray to the same Entity is a matter of endless debate, but they have different names for that Entity: God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Buddha, Allah. The characteristics attributed to that Entity also differ. There are also atheists and agnostics. So if the US is a melting pot, why would we single out one name to use as our motto and adorn our currency?

  1. Rev John's Avatar Rev John

    Wow James Pace, you seem to be tolerant of any view but the Christian view. Then you hide behind ULC. Seems to be no depth there at all.At least come up with something else to say.Typical liberal view, I tolerant everything but what you believe.

  1. John's Avatar John

    The word GOD has such a broad spectrum of meaning to many different cultures and beliefs. I have stood in defense of this country and our freedoms. My GOD belongs on our currency. The only god those that want it off of our currency have, is the one they have there head up and the oxygen deprivation they are suffering from!

  1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

    I'm completely tolerant of someone being Christian...just don't push it on me....what someone's religion is no business of mine just like anyone else's religion is nobody's's a personal choice...but if you don't want someone to push their religion on you then don't push yours on them....that's just mutual respect...

    1. Barbara's Avatar Barbara

      I think sometimes we see one's best intentions as impositions. I've learnt to say ... Thank you but I have my own belief ... And send them away with a blessing ... They won't change my belief but at least I can be courteous and respectful to them as they go their own way.

  1. Eddie Daniel's Avatar Eddie Daniel

    Everyone has their own idea about the church and the states involvement, I believe that their should be a more definite line drawn between the two. As much as I believe, and as strong as my faith is, I honestly don't see where the fact that we trust in our creator should be displayed on a federal reserve note. Not to offend (we are all too easily offended) but don't you all think we have MUCH more pressing worries. The notes may be no good before long anyway!

  1. Gerard McCloskey's Avatar Gerard McCloskey

    I think the atheist and liberals have ruined God in our country. We need God more then ever in our lives today they we ever had. "In God We Trust" should stay on our money forever.

    1. Dale Harmon's Avatar Dale Harmon

      1 Timothy 6:10 (For the love of money is the root of all evil:…); Matthew 21:12; Mark 11:15; Luke 19:45; John 2:14-16 (Jesus drives the merchants from the temple.), and finally Matthew 22:21 (…, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.).

      There is also Mark 10:17-31 in which Jesus teaches his disciples that those who trust in riches will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

      Considering these passages in the New Testament, should “God”, meaning the Christian God, even be associated with money? Perhaps "In God We Trust" is an affront to the very god it is intended to honor?

  1. Lyn's Avatar Lyn

    It is too bad that this issue is advanced by atheists. Really, how often do we look at what is on our money? But as a principle, a better argument for taking any reference to God off our "filthy lucre" is a general statement that money is the root of all evil. Never more relevant in this country than now. The fact is, both Democrats and Republicans are trying to reframe our country as a very mixed melting pot. And, further, "God" presumes a male deity when many of us relate to a female "Goddess." E Pluribus Unum, from many come one, is almost negated when defining our country as a Christian nation. And I would argue that the founding of this nation was based more on lack of representation in England, incredibly high taxation, and a will for self determination. The irony is that the Pilgrims came here for religious freedom, but they were notorious for doing really nasty things to Quakers, Jews and, God forbid, Catholics. They indulged in the belief that God favored them and they had a right to be as awful to other religions as they wished. Some heritage that is!!!

  1. Rev John's Avatar Rev John

    The problem with your outlook is that the United States was formed by Christian men for Christian men. The signing of the Declaration of Independence was signed by no less than 14 clergymen. There wasn,t one Hindu, or Muslim or Buddist involved in the process. This is a Christian nation fought for and founded by Christian men.Unlike the Muslim nation that forces everyone to be Muslim.I have lived all of my life in this country and no one has ever shoved anything down my throat.It'simple, if you don't like it here, leave. The way I understand it, they try to keep people from sneaking in, but no one keeps you from leaving. Try Iran or Pakistan or Syria or Saudi I understand they are really tolerant of people that want choice, Have fun.

    1. James Pace's Avatar James Pace

      Wow, for a ULC member, you sound very intolerant of other faiths....last I checked this country was founded on the principle of being able to follow any faith you chose....without having to put up with vitriol from others....

    2. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” ― George Washington

      I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789

      Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

  1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

    Reverend John, Just out of curiosity, where did you get the number that the Declaration of Independence was signed by no less than 14 clergy? I found one site that said 4 were clergy (with several being the sons of clergy), another site said that 23 were clergy, and a third that said there was only 1 clergy (though there were a couple who would be considered retired; this site also indicated that there may have been confusion about this because of where some of the signers went to college).

    And since you wrote that this is a Christian nation for Christian women, what happens to Christian women and minorities?

    In the end, most of the signers may have been identified as Christian, it may have been more of a public thing rather than a private faith. After all, you were pretty much barred from society if you weren't a part of the state supported church (and each state supported a church).

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      I agree that some may have been labeled as "Christians" to the public, DrTony. We can see this in the current U.S. elections with some candidates openly proclaiming their Christian values, which are possibly true or possibly to garner votes, support and contributions (or both).

      Much of the controversy about the signers of the DOI, and contemporary belief labels , involves misunderstandings about the basic definition of terms. Many of the DOI signers were Deists, not Theists…

      Deism… 1. belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism ). 2. belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it.

      Theism…. 1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism ). 2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism )

      Atheism…. 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

      Agnosticism…. an intellectual doctrine or attitude affirming the uncertainty of all claims to ultimate knowledge.

      1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

        First I see that I had a typo in my first reply (what was typed as a Christian nation for Christian women should have been Christian nation for Christian men as that is what Reverend John originally wrote).

        If you were to ask our Founding Fathers, I have no doubt that they would all say they are Christian (as your quote from George Washington would imply) and could quite easily state the basis of their faith in terms of the "state" church to which they belonged; that was a matter of political expediency.. I would agree with your statement that they were all Diests.

        And while you have given the very essence of definitions, wouldn't that be, at least on this web site, superfluous or at best "preaching to the choir"? By the way, you forgot gnoticism, which in the context of Christian history is a very important idea to have on a list of definitions.

        And in the end, you still did not answer the question which I posed to you - what is your source that 14 of the signers were clergy?

        1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

          The question about the 14 clergymen claim is for REV. JOHN, not Brother John, but I'm also interested in the source.

          1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

            Sorry about that.

  1. Jerri's Avatar Jerri

    God has the right to be in and on anything and everything

  1. Sister Donna Brendle-Parrish's Avatar Sister Donna Brendle-Parrish

    I see no single colors/races, religions, monies, countries, and the like - I see us all equal in our Father's eyes and in His heart! I am here to serve others wherever I am, whoever I am with, to whatever ability I can, and to aid/help any that no not of the Father, or use my life as enample to help them, to show and tell them where to seek what they need, and where and how to acquire life in eternity. I will treat all as my brothers and sisters, no matter if are stranger, family or friend. 'Give to Caesar what is his, and give to the Father what is His' - so no money from any country matters not to me, is just an object - paper or metal - to sustain in the world....all other is for the service of the Father. Every religion, country, beliefs are important to each in the place they're born or lived....people 'move' each have different of all aforementioned things - thus leading to each having their own beliefs, even the Father has different names/titles depending on 'where you're from'....but do for ALL, and think not if is right or wrong - the Father will do the judging, or changing up of a person or country, or whatever He chooses to do for/to each of us. Love, helping, charity - so great these all are - esp. the last. So join not 'groups' for bickering and backlashing of all the rights and wrongs - years and years pass, and much changes everywhere the world over - from year one until now....ex.- picked up a Webster's Dictionary the other day and 'Jesus' was not in it - taken aback yes, but offended no....Webster's soul is not my to speak or judge on....Just love them....moving on. I want my life to lead me to Heaven and the Father - and loving all and helping, even through my own pain and sorrows, this is my attainable goal. I love you all brothers and sisters, let's live in happiness and harmony one with another. In His Name we always pray! Sister Donna

  1. Pastor P.'s Avatar Pastor P.

    E Pluribus Unum- Says much more about us, as a nation, as a "Body Politic", and as servants of a Higher Power. I fear we are "Preying" on God, rather than, "Praying" on God. What the neo-framers want to do is against the constitution they swear to uphold! When we see our similarities, not or differences, then we will be One Out Of Many!

  1. Rev. Niblett's Avatar Rev. Niblett

    The Love For Money Is The Root To Evil

  1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

    Secularism is for grownups.

  1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

    Most kind Brother John. The beauty of my belief is in the simplicity of the knowledge that I have no need to convince others of what I have come to understand. Each here will find you already know these same things in time. Time is an illusion necessary to this material plane. As humans must think in a linear format. As to dimensions there are 8 in this solar system, one for each planet. Third Planet three dimensions. There are, I am sure, a great number more in the universe. I prefer to think of myself as spiritual as opposed to secular. My ultimate goal is to be released from this meat suit and get off of this rock. I have been here a long time and it is dreadfully repetitive in nature. I am stubborn in nature and this seems to be a difficulty. Carry on Bravely.

    1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

      "My ultimate goal is to be released from this meat suit and get off of this rock." … "meat suit" is a true classic, I.S. You gifted me a smile and a hearty laugh, my friend!

      1. Brother John's Avatar Brother John

        I'm intrigued by your statement that there are 8 dimensions, one for each planet in our solar system, I.S. Can you provide a reference for further information?

        Your reply isn't attached to any of my posts. As far as I can figure, you need to scroll up to the nearest "Post Reply" button to maintain the existing thread and keep thoughts cohesive. Posting a new comment at the bottom is unconnected to any existing comments or replies.

        It's hours after I read your comment and am still chuckling about being released from your "meat suit". I hope to read more of your comments in the near future. I appreciate that you have no need to convince others of what you understand, but what I've read so far sparked a connection that I rarely feel.

        1. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

          I don't think the site intends this to be a message board. I do not Twitter, Facebook, Google or whatever the W in the circle is. As to books you could read to get insight into my understanding. Try There is a River. The story of Edgar Cayce. The Association of Research and Enlightenment (ARE) has a website where you can get a copy. Before you read the book's story, turn to page 305 and read Philosophy. Then read the book. It is a good place to start. Do that and we will have a better base to continue from. The body my soul and individuality inhabits is basically a meat and bone suit that I wear in this life in this system. I hope to leave this system and continue on my journey at the end of this current mortal life. The meat will rot and molder, but I will never die. There is a lot of universe out there. Things to do, places to see, souls to encounter! Carry on Bravely

          1. DrTony's Avatar DrTony

            I. S. Johnson, actually, it was intended to be a message board. (the "W" inside the circle indicates that this blog is a Wordpress blog).

            I am intrigued by the comment that there are 8 dimensions because there are 8 planets. First, before Pluto got demoted, were there 9 dimensions? (Yes, I know that is being slightly sarcastic.) Is this idea a carry-over from the Greek's idea of 5 platonic solids and 5 planets?

            And what will you do with the idea behind string theory that there are 10 dimensions?

            But, you are right when you say that we are on a journey and that there is a lot of universe out there to be found. Perhaps in our journeys, we will meet others on their journeys as well.

            In peace we came, in peace we go.

          2. I.S. Johnson's Avatar I.S. Johnson

            I think it is intended to discuss the issue the original post relates to and not ever growing tangents. The eight dimensions related to eight planets refers to this solar system only. Pluto is not a planet of influence in this system. String theory is only relevant to the material plane. Even then it is a dead end. There are any number of dimensions in the universe I am sure, I do not know the exact number. My views encompass all I know of reality not just the finite nature of this single world. Most scientists dismiss this as irrelevant for logical discussion. I do not limit my thinking in this way. Carry on bravely.

  1. DJ's Avatar DJ

    It seems a waste of time & money to debate this issue. As a society, we are moving away from a currency based system - toward a paperless anyway. How often does one read paper money, other than to distinguish one amount from another? To make any changes would not seem cost effective or productive in any way. With due respect to all beliefs - God is universal & to deny the existence of God, one must believe there is an entity to deny in the first place. I wonder if you went to another country & wanted to change their currency, how well received you would be? To quote an old saying: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it." if you don't like it, donate it to the poor & needy.

  1. JO-ANN's Avatar JO-ANN

    I was referring to the scriptures regarding woman....and, the HI FIVES you received... GOD BLESS...BROTHER JOHN.....we are on the same side..i believe that you believe in being on the side of good as well....whatever your path...AND, THAT IS THE BATTLE

  1. Paulene Adams's Avatar Paulene Adams

    I think that in order to ensure the religious freedom of everyone we need to remove any religious reference or practice from government and govermental property. This is what our founders intended. Let us keep our faith in the churches and in our homes and leave the government to do what it is supposed to do. Let us teach morality at home.

  1. Rev. Orlando Hernandez's Avatar Rev. Orlando Hernandez

    Does it really matter. This nation has greater issue then what is stamped on the currencies. We have to worry about bring God and morality back to the nation. That now has become the world leader as being a godless nation.

  1. XaurreauX's Avatar XaurreauX

    Secularism is for grownups.

  1. Bill's Avatar Bill

    This was a very good read and really makes you realize how many differing opinions are out ther. Here's mine. In God We Trust, already on our money. Money is the root of all evil, but we need it to survives our daily lives, So. Leave it where it has been for a long time, Maybe by chance someone will read it and, realize that there is a God we can trust in, and maybe lead them to Christ. Sound far fethched? Simple words or sentences, have changed many lives.

    1. XaurreauX's Avatar XaurreauX

      Yep, sounds far-fetched--and unconstitutional. The government has no business taking a position re: God or citizens' spirituality.

  1. Pat's Avatar Pat

    I am an unbiased evangelical atheist. I despise all religions equally. By all means believe what you want as long as it doesn't harm others. Now that our buffoon of a leader has instituted a muslim ban, just how would you feel if it was say a ban on baptists? Or say Catholics? Not nice eh? That's the direction we're headed. Maybe the Jews are next. Its 1930s Germany all over again if we allow it to happen. Its why we need true separation of church and state. Identifying as a nation of any particular religion leads to religious wars. It also in the minds of some fanatics gives the right to persecute other fringe religions. Maybe its time we grew up and stopped judging people by their religious beliefs but on how they conduct themselves as human beings. In the meantime my permanent black marker works just fine. Enough people join me and at some point the argument will be mute.

  1. Dennis Horvitz's Avatar Dennis Horvitz

    I'm with you, Pat.

  1. Local Resident's Avatar Local Resident

    Whether they take it off or not I could careless because I use plastic. Besides, all the whiny believers will start crying because their invisible god is taken off our currency.

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