Does the Bible contain “graphic bodily injury and sexual violence”?
That’s the warning students at the University of Sheffield in the U.K. are receiving during an English literature lesson featuring readings from the Bible, including the crucifixion of Jesus. The university insists the trigger warnings are standard protocol for potentially sensitive topics, but critics are decrying it as "wokeness" run amok.
It’s “misguided” and “absurd,” they say, to slap content warnings on the Bible as if it’s some racy paperback or violent thriller and not the sacred text of Christianity.
Does the Bible really need a trigger warning?
Is the Bible Violent?
One of the lessons prompting a warning is on Cain and Abel, the first sons of Adam and Eve. In Genesis, Cain slays Abel, which displeases God, who curses Cain to live a transient life in the land of Nod. Though the story directly deals with Abel’s murder, the story is hardly graphic, and Abel’s death is described in scripture plainly, with little detail.
Another story read by students is the crucifixion of Jesus. Again, the story of the crucifixion is told with great restraint. Rather, the scripture focuses on Jesus’ suffering and redemptive death, rather than the gory details.
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“Absurd” and “Mystifying”
While these two stories feature violence, they aren’t exactly violent themselves. Many were baffled – and even outraged – at the idea that adults need a trigger warning before reading them.
"Neither the Gospels nor Genesis give explicit accounts of Abel's murder or Jesus' crucifixion, and what the 'sexual violence' label refers to is mystifying," stated Angus Saul, the Christian Institute's Head of Communications.
"While Christians and unbelievers alike can be profoundly moved by the powerful and enduring words of scripture, such passages are far less explicit than many of the set texts English Literature students come into contact with."
"Applying trigger warnings to salvation narratives that have shaped our civilization is not only misguided, but absurd. Singling out the Bible in this way is discriminatory and deeply ill-informed," said Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre. “The account of Jesus's death is not a tale of trauma; it is the ultimate expression of love, sacrifice, and redemption, central to the Christian faith."
Are Trigger Warnings Necessary?
Amid the backlash, the university says the whole thing is being taken out of context. In a statement, a spokesperson for the school said these warnings are standard for any course with sensitive content, and even if the texts themselves aren’t graphic, class discussions may lead down graphic rabbit holes.
A spokesperson explained:
"A content note is a standard academic tool used to signpost when sensitive or graphic content will be discussed. Its purpose is to ensure subjects can be highlighted and discussed openly and critically, while preparing students who might find such details difficult.
Even for well-known texts, academic study requires a level of detail that can often reveal more intense or challenging material than students' everyday knowledge of the story suggests."
In short: the university says it’s not censoring scripture – it’s just giving students a heads-up.
Given the ubiquity of these warnings, it seems fairly clear that this is a “cover your butt” move on the part of the school. But critics allege that slapping a trigger warning on the Bible shortchanges the stories within, trading out the emotion and impact of its tales for cheap labels.
What do you think? Does the Bible really need a content warning for graphic violence and sexual content? Or is this a case of higher education taking things a step too far?
195 comments
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When those who DO NOT understand the contents of scripture describe it, they will always try to deliberately mis-label scripture in a manner that will cause it to appear undesirable to those who are seeking knowledge and don't know where to find it! Satan understands scripture, and doesn't want you to! Satan can not get his way if we understand what YHWH has provided for us!
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I guess you missed the beheading of John the Baptist and the Crucifixion of Jesus when you read the New Testament. The movie version of the crucifixion "The Passion of the Christ" was rated R for graphic violence. The written Gospel versions are almost as bad.
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You know what? I see nothing wrong with it. There are tons of spots in there about violence and sex. After all, the schools are DEMANDING "trigger warnings" and demanding books be banned and are "sexual" for simply for mentioning same-sex relationships. And banning other books calling them "violent" because they mention kids disobeying adults and refusing to be mistreated.
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Those books that they want banned for pervertions were purposely written to be smut. They have no redeeming value. And they are not the bible. The schools nowadays are stupid or they wouldn't had let the smut in the schools in the first place. This was never an issue when we grew up. So the only thing that us different is that you all are a bunch if whiny coddled babies. I say grow up and don't allow yourself to get triggered over the Bible. I think you are just wanting to put labels on it because you dont like the Bible or Christianity. Esp seeing how nine if you. Are addressing the wars and the evils in the Quran. Which is a lot more violent and evil thrn the Bible.
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So..... if you have children, I assume you home-school them??????
I grew up in the 60s, so all of the "smut" you claim was required reading "back then." Or are you more than 300 years old?
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All I can say is Ezekiel 23:20, go ahead read it. In Oklahoma they attempted to put Bibles in every classroom. If this wasn't the bible, christians would want to burn or ban books containing this and other content. I find much of the bible to be disgusting, so yes, it can be triggering. Worse yet are those christians who wish to use the bible as a weapon, and strike others with it. That is truly vile.
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It's the liberals anti Gods who are the weaponizers of well anything m not the Christians. So when you try to blame Christians for weponizing, it shows how stupid and evil you are. Quite franky the anti God and Christian people are the reason why the country has been going to hell. Where there is no Gid and Jesus there are demons. So to keep the nations from going to the demons, we need the buboes in our country and cultures, rather you want to accept it or not, it doesn't change anything, it doesn't keep the demons away. Its just that you are too ignorant to know what's happening.
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the only demons I see in this country are the ones running the government (white christian nationalism). the anti-christ that all you WCN support. maybe you should look up the the meaning of a religious cult, might surprise you, you might be in one. what flavor is the cool-aid.
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Actually you should look up origin of the word "cult" it's short for "Culture" which derived from "Cultivate" meaning "to nurture and make grow". We separate different societies into cultures because we nurture the way we live and what we believe until it's rooted in our way of living. Anything outside we condemn, demonize and try to destroy.
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my point a cult, maybe you should look up the meaning for a religious cult, their is is one. ever hear of vertical morality and horizontal morality ?.
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You are wrong God. Demons are around where there isn't God and he use. After Jesus freed the man to rom his demons in gant, they didn't have demons for hundnetsf of years. But after the area gets cleared if demons. And there is no hokinees left in the land. The demons will start moving back in and they will be 7x worse. For every demon that was exsorcízed out of the land previously, when he comes back he brings 7 if his friends. Look it up, you will see.
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Glen, if you read the entire chapter, rather than "cherry picking" verses you would find "SHE" is a nation, not a woman! A nation that is for sale due to no moral character. You would also discover that YHWH was allowing those nations to be overtaken because of that lack of morality! Please read your Bible, don't just skim through it for a "sound bite"!
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sounds like MAGA propaganda. trigger warnings are for young and sensitive minded people so they can avoid troubling thoughts. I was taught a good Christian is a person who shows love and compassion for all the people of this world not just MAGA fallowers. I was taught Jesus loved everyone and helped any and all he could. If I remember correctly hate or hating is a sin.
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If you can't handle the truth, then leave and leave it alone. That's all.
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I`m not the one spreading misinformation, propaganda, Hate, the truth is Jesus loved and helped anyone who needed it anyone!
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No, that is not correct. That is misquoted as much as "The Love of Money is the root of evil." "Hate" is not a sin and money is not evil. It's hate "without cause" that is a sin. Loving money is the evil.
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nice way to justify hate and hating. next I will be told they are good christian values (which they are not).
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Yeshua the Messiah "Hates" sin but he Loves (Agape) the sinner. So if hate is a sin you're saying Yeshua the Messiah is a sinner.
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would not be a first
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Joseph, to despise an action is described as "hating" that action, but is indeed not HATE as you would describe it. Hate of a person or group of people, for any reason, is SIN! To despise the actions of those same people is to avoid doing as they do and attempting to guide them to a better path! To HATE an action can be constructive, to HATE a person or people in never constructive! Can you see the difference?
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Joseph, somehow you are confusing the love of a Father for His flawed children, with political messaging "MAGA" has nothing to do with scripture! YHWH loves us (His creation) and wants the best for us, so He corrects us! That's how yeshua showed that He loves us! YHWH gave us the concept of boarders and of limiting access to those boarder lands! Loving people isn't the same as allowing others to destroy you from within! God said that your supposed to protect your lands and your people!
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It's a single College not MAGA and it doesn't say which "Bible" they are putting the "trigger warning" ⚠️ label on. You have 8,765 versions of the English "Bible" and each sect of so-called "Christians" claim theirs is the only one. I find the original Hebrew version the only one. The English versions add and subtract things after the Hebrew version warning not to. Oh, but then YHWH Himself put a warning label on the very text you talking about. How dare the very author of the text do that?
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Sure. Makes it more tempting to read. Should say, 'trigger guaranteed"
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I love your question. Yes, I find (most of) the Old Testament of The Bible too violent to read anymore, and the New Testament (the for most part) misleading. It's not a problem anymore for me to admit this after thirty three years of wrestling internally with this question. I am still devoted to the teachings of Christ, to the life-enhancing practice of forgiveness and to providing loving service as a minister.
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I guess you missed the beheading of John the Baptist and the Crucifixion of Jesus when you read the New Testament. The movie version of the crucifixion "The Passion of the Christ" was rated R for graphic violence. The written Gospel versions are almost as bad.
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Yes, indeed. Grateful for your additional information.
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I can't find and I don't know who it was who tried to say, I haven't had trauma in my life. I have had much trauma through your my whole life, i'm here to tell you that I have had more then my share of trauma. And whoever said this doesn't know what they are talking about man they don't know me. But I grew past my trauma. That's why I say you need to stop focusing on whatever gave you trauma and move past it. And 8 didn't nti need to go to shinks who are with less anyway. If you paid money to go to a shrink. Then you are weak and have been coddled or you would also be able to work through the trauma.
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You sound like you've got a lot of trauma that you're pushing down and burying instead of facing and dealing with. A therapist might do you a world of good if you had an open mind.
When your body experiences trauma, especially an equivalent level of trauma that would cause PTS, you would go to the doctor to help you heal properly. Why wouldn't you care for your mental health the same way you care for your physical health?
It's not weak to go see a doctor if you break your leg and it's not weak to need someone to help you heal mental trauma either. If anything, I'd argue it takes more strength to ask for help with your mental health, especially with the kind of stigma people like you have against it, than it does to try and manage on your own. Refusing to seek help isn't strength, it's stubbornness.
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Let me state the obvious. The trigger warning belongs on the course itself, not any individual book taught. It is the class discussion that will bring on the reactions, not the simple reading of the Bible or other books themselves.
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It sounds to me like you need a trigger warning on life itself. Because you can just rust single certain aspects like this that you say triggers you because the trigger is only an individual thing , it's your problem not the rest of the world and we should not have to make adjustments for your mental state of mind. You make your own warming but don't expect it on everybody's. Because you as an Individuals have the problem. Not the rest of us. We aren't your keepers so if we don't have the problem, why should we have to suffer or adjust things for you. That's just wrong. Who do you think you are to expect such special treatment. That fact that some of you do expect it shows me that you have been coddled and still want to be coddled. Grow up and stop expecting others to fix your problems.
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Mary Haviland - perhaps you should read my post before you fly off the handle. I said nothing about my having a trigger, simply that rather than put a warning on individual books the class itself needs to have a warning. Much simpler. Apparently your own triggers are set off easily.
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I never said I didn't have triggars. I am still human. I said I don't react where I think I need trigger warning. For thing.
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Mary,
Please explain to me how a trigger warning makes you suffer.... I'm having a hard time understanding why you are so passionate in your opposition. Most people here that think it's a good idea is for the people who would be detrimentally affected by the content of what is presented, but you seem to have a problem with the warning. Why?
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Then why did it say to put it on the Bible. I don't care what you do with a course. Just leave the Bible itself alone
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Are y'all kidding?
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My take concerning the purpose of the scriptures is to illustrate the history of God's relationship with man and His solution to deal with the mess; a loving Saviour. AGAPE
There is no solution if one denies the existence of a problem; sometimes a painful journey. Nothing wrong with caution signs for those traveling.
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If books can be labeled by their contents, then the Bible needs to be labeled accordingly. It's a book. It's not inherently sacred, it's sacred to those people that revere it. To anyone else it can absolutely be considered NSFL.
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To all this idiots in the comments getting offended over trigger warnings: it’s an extra sentence that describes the things in the books… Calm down and get your panties out of a twist because you look ridiculous.
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But it's not necessary you all who get offended. Just need to stop being offended. It's that simple
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When was the bible written? And by whom?
"Trigger" warnings are for the "Woke Left" trying to control someone or some group. It's just whinners trying to make you do things or think like they do. For instance "that's not good (another persons opinion) so you should not eat, watch or read it".
Control is what the end game is.
Ignore them.
Think for yourself. If you don't like something don't read, watch or listen to what ever it is that bothers you.
No "Trigger Warning" required.
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This applies equally to all books written, and I agree that book bans or warnings are absolutely about controlling others. This also applies to any social or scientific topic that might come up in the context of education. All subjects and topics should be open and available to students who want to learn about them, including both biblical concepts and LGBT+ concepts. All of this mess started because people want to legislate their own prejudices and force them on others.
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So, if you are driving and see a yellow sign saying "warning Bridge out" they are trying to control you how you drive. By your statement.
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Absolutely. They are telling you to stop, turn around, and find a different way to get where you are going. The alternative is falling off a cliff or into a river. Sounds pretty sound and a good idea to me.
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Trigger Warnings on the Bible?? Well, maybe so.... More than the Bible, the Religions that have sprung from its content should prove that "Trigger Warnings" are prudent and I might add, sensible!! Look at the Wars that have killed and maimed millions in the Name of Religion, to name one example. Look at the Belittling and Bigotry that has been instilled in it's followers. Graphic content, yes,.... Opinionated, certainly..... The warning label should read: "Graphic content, No Cherry-picking allowed!... Some dangerous opinions within..." All on a Red warning background.... WARNING: JUST MY OPINION...
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Actually the warning is appropriate as some people are offended by things they see or read! Remember there are other people in your world that aren't as worldly as you!
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That's too bad The Bible wasn't written for people who get offended. To be offended is. If the devil. It doesn't matter if others get offended or not. It's not up to other people to make those who get offended to not do things to make people give offended. If you get offended, that's in you. Stop being offended. It's not anybody's job to make sure others don't get offended. If you don't like it, though. That's why you are a snowflake. Jesus talked in parables because not all the info he taught was for everybody to hear. His information was for those who understood it. They were ready for it and they were not offended. If you don't understand it and you get offended, then you aren't ready for the information.
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I have no problems with trigger warnings. There is murder, rape, and genocide in the bible. Should adults need trigger warnings? I tend to think not, but I am not omniscient and don't know everything. For example, I was raped multiple times between the ages of 12 and 20. Sexual content bothers me. Others have experienced far worse things, I do not know what will bother them. So it is just good manners to include a trigger warning. My concern is why it bothers someone else that the trigger warning exist. Those are the snowflakes.
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The phrase "trigger warning" came into being for situations exactly like yours: so that people could choose to avoid media that will exacerbate legitimate psychological trauma. This is medically reasonable. But as usual, idiots had to ruin it for everyone, and people started using the phrase to mean "this is offensive in my opinion" instead of "hey, if you have PTSD because of X thing, maybe give this one a miss." So now many people just assume that the warning automatically means that someone somewhere got personally offended at something, or use it that way themselves.
Imagine if the skull and crossbones symbol on a bottle was assumed to mean, not that something is poisonous, but that someone didn't like the taste! And then we would see these same arguments. "Coke needs a poison symbol because I'm a Pepsi drinker and I think Coke is gross." "No, Pepsi is the true poison!!" "Poison symbols should just be banned altogether since they're all just based on opinion."
And then we go back to accidentally drinking drain cleaner instead of powdered tea and everyone is happy again.
Whee.
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Song of Solomon, Ezekiel 23 I could go on - that's just the sexy bits. The violence is everywhere in the OT. How did ESC become an atheist? She read the bible.
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Not graphic enough to be porn
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Wow, it's amazing how so much is said and none address the actual topic; first the subject originated at University of Sheffield in the U.K. and they said, "these warnings are standard for any course with sensitive content" so before getting you panties in a bunch ask does this include other religions material also? Second, I've always thought the Holy Scriptures needed warnings it's got more sex, violence and controversial subjects than any other written material out there, Just not as graphic. Trigger warning isn't sensor ship it's merely letting the person know they may not can handle the subject not the content. Example: teacher get to subject of the crucifixion and decides to show the class the movie "The Passion of the Christ" the closest visional representation of a crucifixion to let the class know what the text glosses over. In the theaters it was reported people fainting, puking and running out screaming. Three months of news complaints about how people got upset. And now the same people are complaining they want to warn you first. Guy in comments in theis vary site quoted Song of Solomon, which support incest, how many read that and uncomfortable reading a brother talking about his sister in a sexual way? If you come back with attacking about it you prove the point of why it needs trigger warnings because it triggered you. The comments I read before I commented on the subject prove the material needs warnings it'll trigger the uneducated and ignorant into saying things they know nothing about.
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If I have a band mate I call brother is my mother his mother or his father my father?
The Solomon quotation is written by a man who married a woman who's Father was was his Father, God. In this way we can understand what Solomon was saying to the reader. He'd married a woman who believes in God, namely the God of the Bible who Solomon had given credit to for his success at running a kingdom.
Sister in God, not of man, not of incest. It's a true joy to believe and be married to a believer.
You can see that now, right?
Boy oh boy do I agree with you about ignorant people saying things they don't know anything about.
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Oh good grief Charlie Brown. To give a warning because these kids now days get feelings hurt over anything.
If they are going to give warnings on classes that have the Bible, then give warning on classes that promote sin so those students who may be offended by that can look to take a different class.
And since this is the UK they are talking about, give warning if there is the koran being read so students can avoid that evil book.
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So you must also believe the movies don't need the rating system or music albums or video games. Although movies today with rated PG-14 were rated R when I was 14. Students should be warned if the teacher of a psychology class is going to show the 1980 movie "Taboo" in discussion of the subject of incest. Then read song of Solomon from the Bible showing Biblical support of incest.
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The entirety of the Old Testament from Genesis to I Kings essentially is God's Chosen People completely destroying their enemies, starting with Abraham killing the people who he believed were not treating Lot with respect, up to Solomon destroying his half-brother and his army to secure the throne of David. And the Israelites were indiscriminate in their slaughter - not only the fighting men, but old men, women and children were destroyed in their conquest of the lands promised to Abraham. So, yeah, a trigger warning SHOULD be considered appropriate. Just like trigger warnings for Mein Kampf, and the accounts of the Spanish against the Aztec and Inca.
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Your disdain for the Bible shows.
Lot was kidnapped by an evil king who was sacking and plundering cities. That's why Abram attacked the king, not because he believed lot was being treated poorly. Abram was acting with righteousness.
Solomon killed his treasonous brother for trying to first steal the kingdom from his own father, David and then again against Solomon. Solomon was putting down a wicked man with evil plans.
Aztec and Inca history needs a trigger warning all on their own, conquistadors not needed. They sacrificed millions upon millions for demonic gods. They'd kill children to make it rain and they'd kill children to stop the rain. Not very nice at all.
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You are reading it all wrong. Those whom you are calling ordinary people as God's were either the nephalem, who were many of the fallen angels, who could take physical forms, they bread with the human women and the offsprings became giants. This giants were evil. That were also so big there was no food around for many of or mikes. Whole continents, so they even took to eating humans. That's evil. Then they tried to take over the lands. Abraham was given that land by the true God, who said the land was his for as far as he could travel and see in the east, west north and south and it would be his forever. Those evil giants moved into their territory, they were not part of God's creation, they took the girl in the family and was taking her, because they thought with their size they could do anything they wanted to do. God who was nro the nephalem, he was the real God, told them they didn't have to put up with it. They to had the right to kill the. And told them to do it, and since he is the giver of life and the creator of all things, He has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And something's that evil should not live. How can you defend those kinds if being. They weren't even human. DO you know what the world would be like if they were still around. It would be as bad as if the dinosaurs aka dragons were still alive. And God says he gives us the right to strangle on scorpions and servants. So they had the right to. Was it bloody, yes. But that's what life is about at this level. And as I said this is a world of good and evil, it's a want. And in war, there going to be blood shed. But you are only focused on the bad parts, there are a lot of good in the Bible too. But if you can't handle what's in the Bible, then just leave it alone. What right do you think you have to think you can make any changes to it, which the Lord has said isn't allow, changes in any way make to add or take ways from the Bible is forbidden. So if you don't like it, take it up with god and leave it alone. Snowflake.
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So are you saying. That Gods chosen should allow themselves to be concured every time invafers come around. I'm sorry but what kind of a parent would ywhy be if he let his children be bullied by other nations. That is not what yhwy promised his people. That is the benefit of being Gods chosen people. Are you so appauld at the violence or the fact that they are God's chosen and He is look after His children? Because there is a lot of violence in the cities these days and there are a lot of blood in modern day wars. So since Blythe begining if the times when man left the garden and fell, and this world has fallen, we have been in war with the evil. It had been documented all over the place, so why are you so objective of it from in the Bible? I said it's a history of the records if the people. So being such, do you think they should leave out the war scenes? Why would you think it should? And I don't ever remember when we studied history that we ever needed a warning label. So why do you think you're so special that you need a warning label? That's just stupid
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I think all the group from the abcd lgh community and them all need a warning to them. They need a warning to stay way or they might corrupt your kids and weak minded and weak morales people. And not only are they morally corrosive, they are violent too. They are slutty and into porn and they are violent killers. I think they need trigger warnings.
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Now Mary, I'm sure you're at least secretly too intelligent to believe all that. You know who consumes porn? Mostly straight men. You know who kills people? Mostly straight men, rising to 98% of mass murderers. Do we need to put trigger warnings on straight men?
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With all due respect, you already have.
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Not very sucessfully. :( If our younger sisters are being more discerning in matters of the heart because they HAVE choices, I support that. Their male peers have a choice too: take a hard look at their beliefs and behaviors. I believe the young men know what is not serving their romantic prospects with women. They can get therapy or continue on with their male centering behavior.
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And so is antifa, and blm, but I don't see trigger warning. In them. I don't even see many people who want to say how bad they think Christians are, standing up and opposing them and their violence. Now before you try to condemn the Bible and Christians, try cleaning up the redicals in these days who aren't Christians and are the ones out in the streets burning down cities, raping and terrorizing neighborhoods. Because last I checked. It's not Christians.
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I feel very sorry for you. You are either a troll, or someone who does not understand the teachings of Christ. You would certainly be excommunicated if you claimed to be a Christian, and Jesus returned. If you have read the bible, how is your takeaway to be so vindictive and spiteful.
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The Bible has violence in it becomes in history has been and are still violent. It's the nature of living in a fallen world, and esp in a world where people try to hurt other people in the Bible. But there is far more balanced in the Quran. The Quran has in it rules for violence and to kill on others. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not. The the 10 commandments says to not murder, to love yourself and your enemies. It also says to live God. There is so much potential for love in the Bible, but the evils of the world get in the way. Would you rather have the Bible white wash the bad parts, that would not be historically true. And out Father yhwy us all for the truth. The evil comes from this being. S fallen world, from others who wants to do bad things to yhwys people. They can't allow His children to be walked all over by the evils of this world, now can he. And He has to work through man. So if he wants to fight back in the evil in the physical realm, he has to use his people. Who are you to say it's wrong. If somebody tried to hurt you or yours you would fight back and maybe kill other to, wouldn't you. Or do you always want to be victimized? Because that's us what happens if you don't fight back. Oh wait, that's violence isn't it. Well if you don't like violence, which most of us don't, well then stay passive as somebody is taking you and yours and see how you and yours like it.
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Peacefully yes.
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Anyone complaining about this better not have one single objection to any other book.
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Nothing needs a 'trigger warning". Are you easily triggered? Bury your head in the sand and live life blind.
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Trigger- The radio call sign for the mentally weak pantywaist who is a pathetic intellectual powder puff oblivious to his own shameful sham.
For these dreadful husks who've had their spirit siphoned off by universities and lower education rackets, all things become pricks to the heart and mind. There the psychological vampires drain their humanity and their reason.
Let all things have trigger warnings for these wax people. Milk for its whiteness and pepper for its heat. Water for its wetness and honey for its far too sweet. No, their hearts must be warned before glancing even at a kitten whom they so desperately desire to become.
Give them a picture of perfection and tell them it's a mirror that never lies. In no wise crush their tender madness with reality.
And for the love of pete, don't make them stop playing Xbox to do chores, they come at ya with a kitchen knife.
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Not sure if the Bible needs a trigger warning for ADULTS reading it - but certainly, adults curating scripture from it for CHILDREN should take great care to steer away from ADULT subjects beyond children's developmental levels of comprehension.
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Is a warning necessary? Probably not—but the pearl-clutching over the idea of it is hysterical. The same people arguing against a warning are the same ones demanding warnings or outright bans on other books.
Sample warning label: “Parental guidance suggested for readers under 13. This book contains adult themes — rape, incest, slavery, and sexual violence. May cause messianic delusions, superiority complexes, or cult-like behavior.”
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Oh get off it. There are other books such as the Quran that are even worse and yet they have been allowing those to be already in schools by children and Islam is one like the number I e must evil book with the most horrific activities, in it that's there are. To isolate just the Bible shows your biases. Not only that but many history books esp books about war talks about killing in wars and kids study about those. Kids need to know about history. And that's what the Bible is.
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Mary, my apologies for not providing a full list of books to ban or warn about—my sarcasm should have come with its own warning. BTW, have you read Quaron? I haven’t, so I can’t say if it is evil or not, but apparently, you are an authority.
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Actually 8 have read parts of it. Some of it is too hideous to read it all. But i know enough about what's in it. Have you read it?
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I am education what Constantine did with the Bible. But that wasn't when the Bible came into existence as it started out as the Torah. And containers was antisemite, and took out the Jewish references. But it still contains much if the history which can be verified. And nobody show have a problem with history. It's just tells it where we have been so we can know if history is repeating itself or maybe we can keep some of it from repeating itself. But it still doesn't need any kind of warning. The only one who had a problem with it are you coddled snowflakes. Grow up.
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I’ve already said I haven’t read it—and from what you’ve written, it doesn’t sound like you really have either. Calling something “evil” based on what you’ve heard isn’t insight, it’s prejudice. That was my point.
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I'm not calling things evil based on what I've heard. I have already a lot of the Bible enough to have an enough knowledge on what i am addressing. The Bible is so complicated that even theologists scholars can't tell you about everything in it. Many pastures sirn know what us what in the Bible. But I know enough on the parts I am familiar with to comment in it. Even if I didn't. I know enough to know that sendirship is bad and wrong. And that trying to rate it is wrong. And I know enough to know that if a person gets triggered by anything, it's their own problems not other people or other things problem. If you have a mindset that you need a lable, the. Change your mindset if things offend you and stop being offended. Or leave the issue alone. You have no right to think that your feelings are so important to take a priority over a book like the sendirship of books.
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I don't disagree with your logical knowledge of what you know about which ever Bible you study. As I stated in another part of this blog there are over 18,000 versions of the English Bible and each sect claim that theirs is the only. I study the scriptures in the original Hebrew version and know every English versions add and subtract things to the text which YHWH the Author placed "warnings" not to do. Of the thousands of books even other religion books at that University College that got the exact same "trigger warning" ⚠️ labels it's interesting 🤔 that the Bible is the only one that everyone is talking about providing that it's the primary one that needs the "trigger warning"⚠️ as it triggered this blog and discussion. Mary continue speaking up for your faith. Remember Paul said ,"whether people speak ill of my Lord or speak praises of my Lord I praise my Lord that they are Speaking of my Lord."
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Try reading more of it. You might exsorsize your demons away sooner or later. Came say that about many other books
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It doesn't matter even if you did it wouldn't change my opinion. All it does is proves that you hate Christians.
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I am a Christian.
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Mary,
You need to educate yourself on how The Bible came to be. In the late 4th Century, Roman Emperor Constantine called a council in Nicaea (and it is uncertain whether Constantine or one of the Bishops actually called the council and Constantine changed the location as a matter of convenience and control). In this Council, theologians (all men) gathered together and evlauated hundreds of letters, stories and other accounts to determined what would be canonized into scripture. Anything that resembled a Gnostic writing was eliminated, and the Council finally settled on between 60 and 70 writings that would be assembled into two "Testaments," one before Christ, and the other after. There have been a few denominations that included additional writings (especially Catholics), and others who didn't. To say that The Bible is a history or science text is to say that the theologians gathered in Nicaea were historians and scientists, which none of them were. The canonization of The Bible was laced with the bias of those gathered in that place, at that time, and according to that culture, so until you read it in that context, you really don't understand it.
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It's mythology based around history, not strictly history. A bit of study outside the bible liked up with actual history would clear that difference right up.
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Actually the Bible is historical and doesn't have mythology to it. If you have studied the Bible and what all has been found that coordinated to what's in the Bible, you would see that it is historical and hat no mythology to it.
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The Bible includes a story about a man being resurrected after 3 days and a man parting the Red Sea in order to cross it. That's absolutely mythology, not historical fact.
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Yes and those are factual. Factual is not mythical. Many people even roman soldiers had seen and witnessed it. Then there's the shrowd or terrain. That is physical proof of the resurrection if Jesus. Noting else could have accounted for the imprint in the shrowd. Also the crossing of the red sea, there is proof that that happened like the chariots at the bottom of the sea, just as it was mentioned in the Bible. Plus there is evidence that's the ground there at the crossing was fused or melted like a glass and it like a firm if concrete that the people walked over at the place they walked, there is a statue like person on the hill over looking sodom and on the way to escape from there which looks a lot like it could be lots wife, just like the writing described. The rock that moses tapped and water came out of shows signs where there was water for an extended length of time that flowed in that spot they said it was There is still signs of the remains of the arch that Noah and his family escaped the flood in, and also there is still a burnt site of a bush where God appeared to moses on the hill where the Hebrews stayed and where moses talked to God at. And may archeological digs and sites that has been unearthed recently that shows exactly what was talked about in the Bible.So it you were not being so stupid and so snowflakey, maybe you would look for and find those info too.
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I've looked into all of these claims of proof and none of them are factual. I've actually read both sides of the argument as to whether these things are proof the Bible is historically accurate, and those who claim these things are definitive proof either omit certain facts that would contradict their claim or are leaping to conclusions.
I'm not sure how being critical of Biblical "historicity" makes me stupid or a snowflake, though. Care to elaborate?
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Then you haven't read enough of them. Sure there are many different stories out there and many do start with meeting deceased lived ones. But many or most all the ones I've read contains a lot more then just what you have said. Maybe not every nde has or need the same experience as others. Maybe some are sent back with messages from God or Jesus and some are just sent back for other reasons. But the ones who had met with God And Jesus are out there and are profound There are a lot out there. Look for more stories and read them. Unless you don't want to learn about what they might have to say. It the messages they Got or Jesus wasn't you to know.
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Yes so. That's happened. What's your problem with it. What do you think miracles are anyway?
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Non of the Bible is myth. It can be proven so it's not a myth
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Mary is correct.
The bible contains zero myth. It contains things that have been proven and things that can't be proven. There is no mythology in the document that's presented as fact.
If modern medicine can resurrect a dead person, why can't the Creator of the cosmos? I know two people that have died and are now alive. Should I let them know they're not really alive? Should I tell them it's just a myth?
Modern science has proven dead people can be resurrected at the rate of over 600 per day globally. Not bad.
The primitive yet arrogant mind expects the creator of the universe to use man's simple technology. Why would God use a barbaric scalpel or shock therapy like our educated idiots?
No, God will use what we are to primitive to comprehend or believe.
If there's anything mythical in the air it's man's self inflated delusion of genius.
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We're resurrecting 600 people a day globally after they have been dead for 3 days? When did modern medicine figure that out?
If you're talking about resuscitating someone who is on the brink of death, that's much, much different than someone being entombed for 3 days suddenly walking out. I'm sure if 600 people a day were coming out of coffins we'd all know about it.
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Yeah so. That's is what the apostles have been taught to do. So what is your point. You are not doing anything. That others who has been taught to do, can do.
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The apostles were taught to resuscitate people? They resuscitated Jesus after 3 days?
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The Bible know that a person who was dead for 3 days could be reseretec. In fact that's why some people have hooked up bell to some people's coffens because they might wake up after they were buried and they could ring the bell and hope to be unburied. But usually there's nobody around to hear the bell ring. People have come back to life after they were buried. There had been times when a body was exhumed and they found out the person came back alive, they clawed the too of the coffen and had faces of horror on their face before they died again if effectuation. Somebody in my family hadthat happened to, when they exhumed her, they found she was turned over in the coffin and had her two hands on her hair and they knew she had come back to life. My grand ma said it was after that,that they had to resort to embalming in this country. In Fact That is why Jesus waited to revive lasorath until the 4th day, by that time they were supposed to have been beyond the state of being. Able to come back to life. And yet in the 4th day. Jesus still reserectic him. To make a point. And to prove the miracle. He started smelling when he was resereded.
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Mary, don't be offended. As minister of Yeshua the Messiah and a degree in "Christian Archeology" it's in the text book that all Myth and Legends are based on a core of truth. So, by calling it myth they are admitting that it actually happened, even if not exactly as stated. Myths are legends with supernatural elements to the story legends are historical events that may or may not have happened as stated.
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I'm not offended by that. I'm not the one who needs to know that. The other person I was talking. To about this, is the one who needs to hear it. They were the ones trying to say things were myths and myths are fictional. But thank you for agreeing with me.
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Many also called mythology are based around a certain amount of truths. Like even the story is Cinderella was based around a true happenings.
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Mythology is not always based in his story or history. It's based on some kind of truths. Usually a true story. Such as giants. Giants aren't a myth as there has been remains of them found. And there are still giants that live today. Perhaps you have heard if the Giants if Afghanistan. They came out at night and scavenged the dead bodies to eat them. And if you still think there's no proof of that. Then maybe you heard if the Kandahar giant killed by the US troops in recent history. They are not myths. And neither are many if what you might consider as myths.
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I haven't heard of the Giants of Afghanistan because they do not exist... The Kandahar giant is a myth because it did not happen... The closest thing we have to giants are 7-foot-tall basketball players, not some mythic creature that came out at night to scavenge dead bodies. That's absurd.
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It's interesting to see all of the hate erupting from this news, but the university does have a policy of putting content warnings on stuff.
I can't find a single thing on any other religious texts having the warnings, apparently there's just no noise. But I've seen other content from the university with similar warnings.
As far as I can tell, it seems likely the Quran, and anything else in scope, would have the warning too. It just turns out that the Christians feel the need to claim persecution instead of realizing that the Bible actually does have some seriously messed up content.
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I think if the Bible needs a content warning for graphic violence and sexual content, then so does childbirth.
In perfect candor, life itself, is an exercise in graphic 'everything'. It is not for the faint of heart. There's truly nothing in life that is 'safe'.
Recently in NYC, a young boy watched his dog get smashed to goo by a speeding car... In Louisville, a lot of people watched three pilots, plus people on the ground, die in a horrific aircraft crash. How many parents have had their rambunctious kid burst into their bedroom, disrupting conjugal relations in history?
I think that honestly, 'higher education', simply ISN'T! It's not 'higher education' at all. When 'higher education' loses its connection with 'reality', it stops being 'higher education', and becomes 'idiocy' of a rather shameful magnitude. Hubris, is another word for it.
The Bible doesn't need a trigger warning, and neither does anything else.
People need to face reality, whether it's pretty, or ugly or something in between.
And if they're too 'brittle' or 'fearful' to do that... that needs to be ignored and they need to be broken and taught how to cope with reality whether they want to be taught or not.
Life doesn't put on kid gloves for those of us who are 'sensitive'.
We let those folks down, when we try to protect their little feelings and fail to teach them how to handle and cope with the ugly parts of life in a healthy way.
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I think people need a working about snow flakes like you who are detached from the realities of this world. Look the best ways to not have violence in our lives is for everybody to follow the bible and love, not kill not covet what you neighbor has, help each and stop complaining about what other people do when it do things that actually affect you any. Stop being offended by stupid things. And maybe evil will have less power over us
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Yes I agree life has good and bad, so the what the liberals here talk, does that mean that before we decide to be born on this planet our mother's and father reproductive organs should have a trigger warning Label. Warning before you decide to be conceived tmyi7 are about to be conceived and be born into a world with a lot of hardship, sexual active perverts and murders. Proceed with caution. That is just so utterly stupid. Just like the talk of having trigger warnings in books, esp the bible.
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Oh, for heaven’s sake.
Mr. Schewene, one must admire your consistency. If you're going to abandon all pretense of shielding the young, why stop at the library? Let's hand them a bottle and the car keys. I hear the meth is simply divine this season. And what are children for, if not to be put to tedious labor and, for a little weekend pocket money, peddled to the party's finest?
Surely that's the grand society you're envisioning. One shudders to think what personal slight left you with such a charmingly venomous view of the next generation. One assumes a handshake was out of the question
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Obviously you failed to actually read the issue at hand. No one said anything about contents being "Graphic". Only that the content "triggers people's response to the context of the content" and your comments prove the need for those "warning trigger " labels. As for graphic content I had that conversation with my brother in 2013. I pose the question to people; "Why did Yeshua have to due on the Cross?" Oh, 99% Christians give the indoctrinated answer. "For our sins." Yet that's not what I'm asking why the Cross specifically? Why not standard sacrifice on an altar as the churches do in symbolic today? The answer is in your reaction to a question that had nothing to do with the answer. The crucifixion was the most brutal execution at the time and draw large spectators crowds. The reason he choose that form of execution is obvious: here we are 2000 years later still talking about it.
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The Bible is graphic and violent because people are graphic and violent and to not read of the history of where we have been and where we would like to be because some people have their head in a particular orifice it's absurd and ludicrous. Leave the Bible alone and let it be read as is.
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So is life. We live in a fallen world. You can't protect your kids from the evils. But the Bible can give them a firm moral ground to stand on to give them less ways to be weak around evil and make it easier for your kids to resist and get around evils.
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Well it’s definitely not for children. It’s brutal, bloodthirsty, infanticidal, threatening if people reading it don’t toe-the-line and believe everything in it, but it’s said that the god in that book loves everyone. Give me a break! 🤷
What sort of person really believes in that book, written by some people that didn’t know where the sun went at night?
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I wish man were as pretty and polite as hummingbirds and rose petals. We're not though are we. If we record our events and history were going to have to discuss how man is happy and willing to filet the flesh from other living humans, dismember living people, burn alive, disembowel women as they're getting raped, cut babies from living women only to behead the living baby and so much more.
Today our children have direct access to live images of pornography of the most depraved sort, assassinations on live global television, executions by anti-aircraft machine guns, dead babies who've breathed in too much mustard gas and atrocities committed by the most horrific of our minds.
All of these things were merely touched on in that old and accurate history book. The authors were very kind not to describe in the detail we have today, just what wicked men are willing to do and how far they'll go to do it.
Oh to be hummingbirds and dandelions and all the sweet things of nature. We would have nice pretty books with pretty covers describing a beautiful people that only ever eat apple pies and ice cream.
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Now that's a fairy tail dystopian world. We wouldn't have much of a life if we were like hunny birds. Let alone be reigning ñext to father Ywhy and creating. Next to him. Now would we?
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Men could not rule the earth esp such a harsh earth, if they were as meek as mice and become extinct. That is not what we were created for. We were created to be rulers. And we can't be rulers if we are meek. Maybe you are a coward, that's your choice. But it's not living up to your human standards.
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Men could not rule the earth esp such a harsh earth, if they were as meek as mice and become extinct. That is not what we were created for. We were created to be rulers. And we can't be rulers if we are meek. Maybe you are a coward, that's your choice. But it's not living up to your human standards.
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It is definitely for children as it has been used in Sunday school to teach children about the Bible for centuries. It's only you snowflakes who has been coddled who has a problem with it
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I think you’ll find it has been used in Sunday school to indoctrinate children, rather than teach.
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Really Mary? So, you feel children should read?
Psalm 137:9
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Ezekiel 23:20-22
20 She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. 21 And so, Oholibah, you relived your former days as a young girl in Egypt, when you first allowed your breasts to be fondled
Judges 22-24
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”
2 Kings 2:23-24
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
Genesis 19
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
Judges 4:21
21 But Jael, Heber’s wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died.
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If course not at a real young age. But as they get older and they can handle it and if they have been taught well enough so they understand the context if the passage. The yeah. But as with anything, it needs to be age appropriate. For the age id the child. Btw. You liberals don't seem to care about things like that, what you liberals will let the children read in clschools libraries now days or assignments you give them to read from all kind of raunchy books. So don't go preaching to me about how high and might you liberals are. When you do thing like that. And dont tell me you aren't a liberal because if you were a conservative. You would already understand about the Bible and you wouldn't be advocating for triggers because conservatives down worry about thing like that.
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@Mary Haviland
I have a couple of questions for you.
First, could you please elaborate on what you mean by, "what you liberals will let the children read in schools libraries now days or assignments you give them to read from all kind of raunchy books."
Second, I'm Gen-X, not Gen-Z. So, I don't use words like "triggers." That also means every day in school, I repeated, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice FOR ALL." Does that make me a liberal or a real American?
For the record, I believe in uncensored, age-appropriate reading for kids. My grammar school had two libraries: one for 2nd through 5th graders and another for 6th through 8th. My public library had a general section and a kids section. Neither place had a conservative and liberal section, because the good guys don't ban books.
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Well it sounds to me like my example if what porn is is spot in. It looks like mine was taken down. Not your ass attempt to say that the Bible contained porn. That tell me you are wrong about calling what the Bible says compared to what porn really is. I rest my case
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Please tell me what "raunchy books" are being assigned in schools to children? Which books are you speaking about?
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou has frequently banned and it is certainly not raunchy porn/smut. Neither is The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison, another frequently banned book. Some of the most banned books in the country simply depict LGBTQ+ characters and for that they are labeled as sexually explicit.
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No one is talking about banning anything and it is one single college this is happening at. It is a "warning" label not a ban. And nog only on the Bibles but on anything that triggers people's to get there panties in a bunch as just mentioning it has done here.
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Raunchi books promoting gay behavior, about trany behavior about I have 2 mommies or two daddies who are butt buddies. And books on gender confusion. Those sorts of books.
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A book about a person who is LGBTQ+ is not raunchy, nor is it pornography. There are plenty of child appropriate books that simply acknowledge that a child has two dads without there being any need to bring sex into the question.
Books which acknowledge the existence of the LGBTQ+ community are not automatically "raunchi" for doing so. If you see two men walking down the street holding hands and you automatically jump to thinking about what they do in bed, are you doing the same thing every time you see a man and woman holding hands? If so, that sounds like a personal problem, not a problem with the two men holding hands.
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That's because you are not understanding what's really happening. That which you see as blood shed and the killing is now what you think it is. And God, a yhwy is a God of love. But only for His children and His people. You don't understand that there is a war between good and evil. And they understands that evil can't be coddles and there is no cure for it. The only thing you can do is eradicate it. So when the giants came to the Hebrew camp and kidnapped and raped their sister and daughter of the hebrews and that was their land that the giants were trespassing in anyway. Should the hebrews just continue to let the giants get away with that giant kidnapping and rapping. Their sister. Would you allow that if that was your sister. Or would you go right to get her back. If you answer no to any of those and that you would let them keep her, that's where you are the problem. You can't let those evils things keep getting. Away with doing anything they want. That's why they got as bad as they did. When they started eating human, do you think those evil things should be left alone to continue doing what they wanted to do, just because they were giants and people were scared I'd them. The only they they could do was to kill them all. They all had roots if the evil giants in them. They had to díe off. That's why the flood happened. But the blood line continued on. So they had to be eradicated. If you have a tree or a plant that was invasive and it would creep I to your garden or orchard and you tried to cut it out, but it kept coming back faster then you could keep yanking it out, some times you have to kill out and clear the whole land of it so you can have good crops. And that's why they had to do that. Those things were not Gods plan it His people. Not all people are if God and God doesn't live every human. Some are the son of Kaine whose father was the serpent or Satan. And God doesn't claimed them as his. He also doesn't claim those who witn accept Him as their Father and their God. And who does t obey his laws. In fact he has. Said that's are some people he has said he hates like Esau. So when you say these kinds if comment, it only shows how ignorant you really says in the Bible and the characters in the Bible and why God, Yhwy does what he does it have done.
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Thank you for attempting to be an apologist for your god. The reality is, any god claiming to be omniscient and omnipotent would have foreseen all the errors of mans ways that you have described way before it happened. A god whose plans clearly failed, and tried to restart everything by killing off those that fell short of his plan, isn’t much of a god at all. In fact, I think I’d give that particular god an “F” grade, with comments like “He could/should have done better” on his report.
He also was very clearly poor with his management skills when he felt it necessary to kill off those children of the first born after his temper tantrum with Pharaoh. He very clearly loves killing children for some real odd reason. So much for people saying “God is love”. 🤷
On the plus side of things, we are very fortunate that no one has yet been able to demonstrably prove that biblical god was real…….nor any god for that matter.
Anyway, thank you for your comments.
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I don't need to be apologetic to God. He is the supreme God even over your false hard. He will do what he will do. He will use who he will use for whatever brings His purpose He sees for. I am not apologizing either. I don't and can't apologize for Him for He needs no apologies, everything in existence is His and is done to His will. So what good would it do anybody to apologize for His will and also he makes no mistakes. So there is no need for apologies.
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An apologist is someone who defends a belief idea, or faith, in this case, the deity you insist on believing is real, to defend its reality and its supposed practices, which is basically what you’re doing.
In reality, no one can really justify defending someone’s genocidal, and infanticidal practices. The killing of babies, infants, toddlers, children, and pregnant mothers is reprehensible and should not be tolerated by anyone that has good morals. Defending that type of behavior as an apologist is equally reprehensible.
Fortunately, no one has yet been able to demonstrably prove any of the world‘s gods are real, even yours. There is a Nobel prize, waiting for the first person on earth that can prove any God is real.
Thank you for your reply though.
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An apologist is a Do.ebodt who apologizes for something they do. I don't apologized for anything that I or yhwy does. Because neither of use has done anything to be sorry for. And I don't have to apologize for Jim. He can do that Himself of He did anything wrong, which of couse up to Him. And since He does everything for His glory. He has nothing to apologize for. Rather we humans see it as going or bad, it's not up to you or anybody else to say. You are a magnet in His eyes. He will never apologize to any Human or non human
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No, that's not what an apologist is, Mary. "Apologist: someone who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something that is typically controversial, unpopular, or subject to criticism"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apologist
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First of qll. My belief is not unpopular, and they my God is real. You would know it if you came to know Him, and all of what he has and still do. And why wouldn't I support what He does. He is the supreme God, and I want to have an ever lasting after life with him. And I want him to take care of me in this life now. Maybe you don't care about those things, so you for. Want anything to do with Him. But the alternative to me to not wanting. To be with Him us way far worse to think about then what it takes to believe now. And if you were. As smart as you claim to be, you would look into the near death experiances, from people all all faiths. And how they changed once they realized there is an after life a My God is the same God you are now mocking. Secondly. Talking. About infanticide, you liberals have no room to talk, with your love of abortion and all your live for supporting blm burn loot and murder organíziations, or antilifa who are the fascist they claim they want to rid the world of. And all the trans who are made killers of children in school shootings. You all have no right to decide to judge the Father who is the life maker and the death maker and everything. In between. Who calls all the shots and decides who and what lives it dies. He is the maker and giver of life. He know who is evil and who isn't. He has every right to say who he wants dead and who he doesn't. Who the hell do you think you are. Do you think you are greater then the Father. That's blasphemy. That's just what Satan thought to. That's why we have this mess now. You are the children of the devil who had for so much worse then any thing. My Father has done.
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Thank you for your uneducated reply. First of all, you have me wrong as being a left leaning liberal. I voted to remove all the illegal aliens by any means necessary, but only because it’s the law of the land that I swore an oath to uphold. I do feel very sorry for most of them.They have had the choice to return home in safety. If they choose not to take up that option, then they will sadly have to be removed.
I definitely do not agree with late term abortion, but some abortions may be warranted, especially if the health and safety of the mother is in jeopardy.
I have looked at near death experiences, and have read many accounts of people who have seen people relative to their faith. And that includes the Islamic faith, the Mormon faith, and even those who believe in Krishna, so please don’t think everyone that have had near death experiences only see Jesus. It’s the way the brain works as it slowly dies, or goes into a death cycle as in near death experiences.
I have every right to decide and judge the deity that you like to call the Father. If he was real, and if I ever met him, I would punch him on the nose and poke him in the eyes for being a brutal genocidal fascist dictator of a deity. Who the hell does he think he is? 🤭
As for, who do I think I am? I am a very caring, loving individual that cares for human beings, that includes babies, infants, children, toddlers, and pregnant mothers. My morals are far superior to that idiotic deity that you call a god that you like to worship and insist on believing he is all love. Like Hell he is! 🤷
Anyway, thank you for your reply. I’m sure it was very well meaning, bless your heart. 🤗
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I do agree with what Ywhy does. But I don't or shouldn't call it an apologist. I would call it a Loyalist. And also you say that as if it's a bad thing. It isn't and you will not imguilt me to make me change my stance by making out like I'm doing. Something wrong. Because I'm not.
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So, you accept that he's evil and are cool with that?
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Okay, I'm at a loss here. What does a trigger warning label on a book have to do with bashing that books and proving the need for a trigger warning as it triggered this debate. And Mary had a valid point that the fact everyone focuses on the Bible failed to bring up the other books also with the same "trigger warning" labels.
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So are the Quran. So why don't you focus on others too. Not just the Bible. In fact the Quran is much worse.
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Yes, of course the Qur’an is, along with other similar type of books like the Book of Mormon, Bhagavad Gita, The Vedas etc, but this post is about the Bible, hence people are responding to it.
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If something triggers you, don't read it, watch it, etc. It's getting to be ridiculous though. While we're at it, why not ban nursery rhymes for violence, or whatever. "Jack and Jill went up a hill to fetch a pail of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after." You can't bend over backward for every fear, every issue, every problem. My best advice to those who are triggered, go read something that doesn't trigger you and you won't have an issue.
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I agree. Other people are not your keeper. You can't expect others to not trigger you. That's demented. Grow up and learn to be a critical reader and stop trying to control other people actions and be responsible if your owns only. If you are so shallow and a show flake that you can't handle certain things. Then buck it up, learn about life and that there is evil in life, and if you can't handle it, don't read It
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Robin,
It's not as simple as that. Triggers can be managed, and if one who has them knows they are coming, they can manage them. It's when they don't that things can go amok. Spoken as one who has them and manages the, because she has to. I ALWAYS appreciate trigger warnings.
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That's funny. Others can manage triggers. Maybe those that can't manage triggers were never taught how to, they were too busy being protected and cuddled
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Mary,
Since you claim to have PTSD, you should know that managing the triggers (like I said before) takes hours and tens of thousands of dollars of therapy (depending on their severity.) I will state again, just because something is outside your reality does not mean it does not exist.
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But you dot. Need warnings, you can deal with them without eating . Life doesn't. One with warnings. So buck it up. And deal with it no matter the circumstances. And maybe you should stop letting things you read cause you trauma. It's not like you are there. And dealing with it. Maybe you should pray to the Father Ywhy to help you with you work through your trauma. Instead of dismissing Him.
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It does have porn. Ezekiel 23-two sisters
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No. Pornography is designed to sexually stimulate the reader.
That story is about two lgbtqia++ chicks who got busy with the town.
It's representative in nature, not purposeful in practice. Don't be a whore, be loyal.
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Your prejudice is showing, SOJ. I read that chapter in case I’d missed anything that might indicate the metaphorical women weren’t straight, and I hadn’t missed a thing. They sleep only with men the whole time.
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Maureen,
I'm just having fun with the crowd here. They like to poke at the Bible quite a bit so I figured why not enjoy things a little. Chances are quite high though that the two whores in the story would be somewhere in the Lgbtqia++ logo. I've read the ++ is a catch all drawer that all the unknown sexual preferences and fetishes get tossed in. I suppose otherwise we'd have an acronym with 68 characters and symbols, alphabet runs empty at like 25 or 26. We could go with ASCii characters, it's got 95 to choose from.
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No his righteousness is showing. Your reprobate is showing. If you don't like it, tough. That's the way it is. You know what happens to the homos in the Bible and why? Don't you?
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Having sisters and women as wives and concubine are not necessarily porn. However I need to point out that the Quran which nobody seems to be saying. Anything about, is do much worse the the Bible is regarding how it is acceptable to rape women, demean women, kill women, and treat women worse the dogs. The children belong to them men, and the wars are not exactly non existent in the Quran so before you knock the Bible, you need to judge yourself as to why you or others will accept the Quran which is by far worse is taught in schools and not the Bible. That's hypocritical.and not realistic if what our history was like. Kids need to learn about the bad in kífe at the appropriate times of their life, so they can understand and be ready for evil in life.
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Mary,
What schools teach the Quran except for Islamic parochial schools? Asking for a friend.
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Why does the Bible need a trigger warning. First of all, it's an inanimate object, secondly, it's a sacred book, and a book to reach and learn from and a book if truths. I think if anything needs a trigger warning , it's the reader who gets triggered by reading the Bible. How can anybody in their right minds. And I mean in their right mind be triggered over the Bible. If you are that uptight then you are the one with the problem. You need the Bible that much more to help you over you evil reactions. Only evil would be triggered by the Bible. If you can't handle the truths and the words in the Bible. You are the one who needs help.
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Mary, I invite you to learn about what a trigger warning is, what a trigger is, and why people have them. People who have triggers are neither evil nor uptight. Nor is being triggered a simple matter of getting upset.
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I know what triggers warning are. And I don't believe anybody in their right mind needs them because they can handle reality.
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You either don't really know, or you're being intentionally stupid. Triggers are a symptom of PTSD. An individual with the condition, for example a combat veteran, will experience panic attacks and/or flashbacks when a trigger that reminds them of their trauma, for example fireworks, is present. If that means that they aren't "in their right mind" to you, then it does, but be aware you're judging trauma victims who never asked for their condition. All a trigger warning is, is a way of telling people that they might be about to experience something that will cause a traumatic episode. Is that clear, or do you need shorter words?
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I know what triggers are. I have had them and I have suffered from things giving me PTSD in my life. However, you can chose to be triggered or not, you can chose to respond to things the way you do, and you can also chose to let certain things bother you and you can chose to just get over it. Even Jesus said to his deciples after he got tempted, that you can just chose to say no to evil. Don't entertain it, just say no
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Part of PTSD is that you can't choose to be triggered or not, it's out of your control. There are things you can do to manage the stress you experience when your PTSD is triggered, but it's not as simple as waking up one day and saying, "that doesn't bother me anymore." If it was that simple, so many people wouldn't be struggling with PTSD.
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Not all PTSD is due to combat related issues. And surely if you have seen combat. You can't complain about warnings from the Bible.
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I know about what rlteiffer warning. Are about. But it's your choice how much you pay for dealing with your PTSD.
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Maybe it’s in direct response to how some of the bible’s readers want warnings on everything they find offensive, read, watched, or heard.
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That's so true. They can't handle the harshness if Reality.
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So, folks who read the Bible and use it as justification to subjugate or harm others is acceptable? Folks who use it as reasons to attack Synagogues and Mosques is acceptable? Folks who use it to deny rights to others is acceptable? The problem with saying the Bible is Truth is problematic - especially as the various books contradict each other on a regular basis. Remember, the only place in the entirety of the Bible where Abortion is mentioned is instructions on how to safely abort a fetus that is either the result of rape or that carrying to term would kill or harm the mother. However, Christians, notably American Christians, have been using the Bible as justification for banning the procedure. The irony is the verses they reference are to specific prophets chosen by G_d for his missions, not to every person. So, Samson, Samuel, Jeremiah and Elijah are pretty much it.
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Joseph, you are so correct. Think of it like a game of "telephone," where the first "person" is God, spiritually speaking to a prophet, who repeats it to someone, who repeats it to someone else, and on and on, until it finally gets put on parchment in an ancient language that nobody speaks today. Each time a Bible is translated, the bias of the translator is inserted in the text and then when that language gets translated to another ... you get my point. The fewer the translations between the parchment and the final language, the more likely you get the original meaning of the script, which is why I highly recommend the New Interpreter's Study Bible (NRSV version). Several of my seminary professors contributed to the commentary, and have all used excavated ancient texts that have been preserved. Plus, you can always Google the commentator to see what their theological understanding is.
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It's not exactly like that, they wrote it down. And it prevents the info from being twisted.
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It was written down in an ancient language that is no longer spoken (at least not in the ancient dialect.) It has been translated and then re-translated multiple times, each time introducing the bias of the translator, because translation is not always word for word, as there were idioms and coloquialisms, that cannot be taken literally. The Gospel stories were passed down through an oral tradition almost a century before anyone ever decided to write them down (and there were a lot more than four accounts of Jesus' life, by the way, but only the four were chosen to be included in the canonized version).
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Actually the Torah is still maintained today. In the same language that they still use and read in their ancient writings. You don't know what you are talking about.
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Yes, the ancient Hebrew is still preached and spoken in a synagogue during services, but the ancient Greek and Aramaic of the New Testament, and even the Latin from later translations are no longer spoken. I have taken graduate courses in seminary from professors who excavated and translated some of the ancient Greek documents that exist in the New Testament, and others that used documents contained in the Vatican archives, so yes, I do know what I am talking about. Not every "author" was literate enough to "write things down," and God did not dictate what to write. Their images came in mystical events that they interpreted.
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Just because something is written down, doesn't mean it can't be twisted... Even today, people twist the writings of the Bible to fit their own personal biases.
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The people who write and maintain the records pride themselves in keeping the records correct and true. Just because you might think they dictor it Doesn't necessarily make it so. And there were other records like the dead seas scroles. They were all written in differs places and times by people who never had contact with each other for collaboration. They all say the same thing. So how could there be corrupted record. If you were a real scholar of the Bible or the Torah, you'd know that
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The people who write and maintain the records pride themselves in keeping the records correct and true. Just because you might think they dictor it Doesn't necessarily make it so. And there were other records like the dead seas scroles. They were all written in differs places and times by people who never had contact with each other for collaboration. They all say the same thing. So how could there be corrupted record. If you were a real scholar of the Bible or the Torah, you'd know that
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Joseph G said: "Remember, the only place in the entirety of the Bible where Abortion is mentioned is instructions on how to safely abort a fetus that is either the result of rape or that carrying to term would kill or harm the mother."
I tried like the dickens to find this. I could not. You must have a very special version Joseph.
If you're a Christian you should be softer on your brethren for what you think is misinterpretations of the Bible while you add entirely new content to the book.
My my, instructions for abortion huh? How handy.
I've got this really weird feeling that the one who's having trouble interpreting the Bible is you.
Ps, it's not very nice to add content to someone else's book unless they asked you.
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That's not what it says, it doesn't say it's okay, the Quran does. But people have different stages of lessons as we go through our lives and in our history. We need these lessons to learn from them. Hopefully we mature and get to the point of not doing them any more. But that take time. The bible doesn't section the bar thing happening it just says they did happen. And if the bible did sanction it ,it was done for a reason to advance God's people, who were the only ones who advanced other men if the era towards becoming human and civilized. And sometimes humans will slip back into barberism, but as I said many times, we live in a fallen world where there is evil that makes trouble for the good people if God. And when that happens, they need to kick some ass. That's just part of being. Human in this fallen world otherwise you will become subjected to the welm of evil. You apparently don't understand what it is to be truly victimized by true evil or you would understand why we have to fight it. As the famous song says, sometimes you have to fight when you're a man.
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Actually that's not so. That's Muslims. Christians are for the most part, peaceful and loving. But there are times when in the beginning of the days of Abraham when God made his covenant with Abraham and is lineage, there were need for the children of God to fight wars with God's enemies. Fir many years after the kainanites wars there was peace. But as I said, those were giants and the families if the giants who were not even human, and very wicked and evil. You couldn't let one live. Not one. The whole lineage was evil, any servivers would try to come back at the children of God later if any were allowed to live. And that couldn't be allowed. And that is why God gave to orders to kill every last one of them. They weren't humans, I don't know why you all are making such a big stink out on one era if time when the group if Hebrews had to take back their land from swatters who were evil and trouble maker. I can't believe you would support that if that happened to you. All of you obviously don't understand the adverseries.
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Mary,
Spoken like someone who has never had a severe trauma that keeps revisiting. As one who does, I have had 15 years and tens of thousands of dollars worth of therapy that has taught me how to manage and control the triggers. Today, I still get triggered when something resurfaces that I'm not expecting, so trigger warnings are something that always appreciate. Think of it like movie and book ratings. Most of The Bible would warrant a PG-13 or R rating, depending on how explicit the violence or sexual content is. "The Passion of the Christ," was rated R for extreme violence, and any movie based on the Song of Solomon would/could be rated X, so if you've not experienced a severe trauma that produces triggers, don't pretend that they don't exist. Things outside your reality do exist.
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But I have had many traumas and some have given me post traumatic stress at times. So you are wrong. And thats the reason why in funday school they have a children's version with real you g children and then when the child is older they teach what is meant and why things happened.
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Presenting something in an age-appropriate manner is basically the same as a trigger warning, it is respecting the audience that may be receiving the information. Although I don't get triggered by Bible stories, because I've read it multiple times, and am aware of what is in it, when there is a movie or other depiction of one of the stories that embelish the serious cruelty, I appreciate the warnings. Why are you so afraid of letting people know that some of the stuff in The Bible can be graphically violent or sexually explicit? When was the last time you read the story of the beheading of John the Baptist, or David and Goliath? Those are extremely gruesome, and yes, there are children's level adaptations of those stories, but the ones in the raw text are extremely graphic. Try reading Song of Solomon in an NRSV Bible without blushing.
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Actually. My whole life has been traumatic. I have had massive trauma. But I don't have to account. To you as to my traumas.
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You also don't have the right to dictate how others relate to traumas as each one reacts differently. Just because it's not the same way you react doesn't make it wrong, it only makes it different.
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Oh, heavens. One must admire the sheer, unvarnished confidence of that little tirade. It’s a magnificent piece of circular reasoning, really. The book is true because it’s true, and if you find it upsetting, it’s proof that you’re evil and therefore need the book. It’s the most divine case of “heads I win, tails you’re a sinner” I’ve ever seen.
Let’s untangle this charming knot of logic, shall we?
To suggest an "inanimate object" can’t be triggering is like saying a bottle of gin is just glass and liquid until someone drinks it. Words, my dear, have consequences. They are the very things that cause the reaction. The Bible isn’t merely ink on paper; it’s a collection of stories that includes, for the discerning reader, rather a lot of divine-commanded genocide, casual misogyny, and detailed instructions on when it's permissible to stone your own children to death. One might find such passages a tad unsettling, even if one isn't "evil."
And this idea that only the unhinged would be "triggered" by it is simply delicious. It implies that a well-adjusted mind should read, say, about Lot offering his virgin daughters to a mob, or the wholesale slaughter of the Amalekites, and simply nod sagely and say, "Ah, yes. Good, wholesome stuff." A person who reads those accounts and feels a flicker of horror or revulsion isn't evil; they're human. They have a functioning conscience. The argument, then, is that to be "in your right mind," one must possess a truly breathtaking capacity for moral indifference.
The final, most precious gem is the notion that the book is a universal "book of truths." Which truths? The truth that piety is rewarded by allowing your daughters to be seduced by a mob? The truth that a woman's value is measured by her silence and her womb? Or is it the truth that it’s perfectly acceptable to own another human being, provided you follow the correct purchasing guidelines?
The Bible isn't a single, monolithic "truth." It's a vast, sprawling, contradictory anthology of ancient history, poetry, law, and allegory. To be "triggered" by it isn't a sign of moral failing. It's a sign that one has actually read the wretched thing. If anything, the person who can breeze through its bloodiest passages without a shudder isn't the one who needs help; they're the one you should keep a very close eye on.
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Oh, heavens. One must admire the sheer, unvarnished confidence of that little tirade. It’s a magnificent piece of circular reasoning, really. The book is true because it’s true, and if you find it upsetting, it’s proof that you’re evil and therefore need the book. It’s the most divine case of “heads I win, tails you’re a sinner” I’ve ever seen.
Let’s untangle this charming knot of logic, shall we?
To suggest an "inanimate object" can’t be triggering is like saying a bottle of gin is just glass and liquid until someone drinks it. Words, my dear, have consequences. They are the very things that cause the reaction. The Bible isn’t merely ink on paper; it’s a collection of stories that includes, for the discerning reader, rather a lot of divine-commanded genocide, casual misogyny, and detailed instructions on when it's permissible to stone your own children to death. One might find such passages a tad unsettling, even if one isn't "evil."
And this idea that only the unhinged would be "triggered" by it is simply delicious. It implies that a well-adjusted mind should read, say, about Lot offering his virgin daughters to a mob, or the wholesale slaughter of the Amalekites, and simply nod sagely and say, "Ah, yes. Good, wholesome stuff." A person who reads those accounts and feels a flicker of horror or revulsion isn't evil; they're human. They have a functioning conscience. The argument, then, is that to be "in your right mind," one must possess a truly breathtaking capacity for moral indifference.
The final, most precious gem is the notion that the book is a universal "book of truths." Which truths? The truth that piety is rewarded by allowing your daughters to be seduced by a mob? The truth that a woman's value is measured by her silence and her womb? Or is it the truth that it’s perfectly acceptable to own another human being, provided you follow the correct purchasing guidelines?
The Bible isn't a single, monolithic "truth." It's a vast, sprawling, contradictory anthology of ancient history, poetry, law, and allegory. To be "triggered" by it isn't a sign of moral failing. It's a sign that one has actually read the wretched thing. If anything, the person who can breeze through its bloodiest passages without a shudder isn't the one who needs help; they're the one you should keep a very close eye on.
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Yes. The Bible does need a trigger warning.
Warning! This book might change your life for the better. Be careful.
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It SHOULD change a life that way. Sadly, the christian nationalists twist its words to hurt human beings, to silence those who are already marginalized.
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My dear Reverend/Rabbi Rosenblum, one is simply dying to know which passages you find so life-affirming.
Is it the charming bits on wholesale slaughter? The helpful tips for keeping women in their place? Perhaps it's the cheerful advocacy for hating one's neighbor, or the detailed instructions on filicide.
Do tell. I'm always looking for a new hobby to improve my disposition.
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I take it with all your acid attack on the Scriptures of YHWH that you have had a bad experience with the so-called "Christian" groups. You exact faith hasn't been publicly stated yet by you comments I must presume that you believe in nothing. The "Bible " and they didn't specify which "Bible" having a "trigger warning" label on it in a college class is the subject. The administration stated that the "Bible" is not the only book with the "trigger warning" ⚠️ label. But it is intriguing that that's the only book every got their panties in a bunch over. If that statement triggers a response then this site needs a trigger warning ⚠️ label on it.
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The bible is a tome, told by idiots, signifying nothing but violence…
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"Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck. How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!"- pure idiotic violence.
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Shakespeares' revenge!...lol
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It sounds better then anything. You could come up with. And you wouldn't be sincere.
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Much as the title of my new book, "The Story Has a Secret", it would be prudent to indicate that the Bible has a secret. No censorship is needed, just a note to remind readers that the Bible story has a secret. What is it?z"Why the Bible began- author
Jacob Wright Robert Brehm
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Much as the title of my new book, "The Story Has a Secret", it would be prudent to indicate that the Bible has a secret. No censorship is needed, just a note to remind readers that the Bible story has a secret. What is it?
Why the Bible began- author Jacob Wright
Robert Brehm
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Actually, if you like fiction and a fantasy would or to go down the rabbit hole, it would prob work. But if you want more to read then flakey, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody without a warning label on it. A label that reads. That you would be dumber by just reading it.
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Wrong it's a part of human history, it it were not, then why has some of the schools around the country approved it to be taught as history in the classrooms.
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So, you feel children should read? Ezekiel 23:20-22
20 She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. 21 And so, Oholibah, you relived your former days as a young girl in Egypt, when you first allowed your breasts to be fondled
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No there's more to what happened to people then just violence. But there is a lot is violence even in today's world. So how can you be concerned about the amount of finance they had thousands of years ago
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On the topics subject however let me leave this explanation of what accusations are being used with this new phrase, Triggered it originally started from the idea that subliminally placed concepts and ideals were being forced onto the general publics minds due to low frequency repetitive sound wave rythmes found in various social media videos such as meditative, higher ascension, transcendence themed videos, making their minds susceptible to strong direct influences. These influences would then be embedded like subconscious instructions that could be activated through a "Trigger" command phrase supplanted in the subliminal video. These were old cold war methods of brainwashing that even Putin was reportedly submitted to during his training as a spetzna kgb special forces operative before becoming president. However, the generation of today's youth heard about this over social media and took it as a joke and mocked the information by arrogantly calling themselves, triggered, as a mocking expression to resisting control, parental and authoritarian in general, by acting uncontrollable and basically throwing a grown temper tantrum. That is this new generations motto deny, detach, expose and cancel you. The manipulative older generation took this trend and are clinging to power with its concept contributing to a massive part of what today's problem is.