As the 117th Congress takes office, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s introduced a new set of governing rules, including a new code of conduct, that has some diversity advocates cheering and some Christians jeering.
Calling the reforms “unprecedented” and “bold”, Speaker Pelosi’s new rules change permanently establishes an Office of Diversity and Inclusion as well as "honor[s] all gender identities by changing pronouns and familial relationships in the House rules to be gender neutral."
The proposal, which was just approved by the new Congress, removes gender-specific pronouns like “he” and “she”and replaces them with gender-neutral terms like “representative” or “delegate”. Certain offices or positions in the House will be renamed - The ‘Office of the Whistleblower Ombudsman’, for instance, will instead become the ‘Office of the Whistleblower Ombuds’.
The new rules do not prohibit House Representatives from using gender-specific language on the House floor.
Some House members, as well as prominent Christian leaders, are utterly incensed, saying the inclusive language is tantamount to slapping God in the face.
Denying God's Authority?
“This is shaking a fist in the Creator’s face, trying to deny His authority,” said Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham and president and CEO of Samaritan’s Purse, in a Facebook post. “We won’t even recognize this nation in a very short time.”
He continued lamenting the new rules on Twitter, writing that "God 'created them male & female'... it's just a fact."
Some politicians made their objection to the new rules loud and clear. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy tweeted his disapproval of the new language rules:
Is Gendered Language Dying?
Still, diversity advocates celebrated the gender-neutral language as a win. They argue that while it may seem a trivial matter to some, doing away with gendered language will ultimately have a positive effect by breaking down barriers between the sexes and encouraging the idea that anyone – regardless of how they identify – is capable of success.
Democratic Representative Hakeem Jeffries told Fox News that “the gender-neutral language is just consistent with an effort for the House, in the best tradition of the House, to reflect the gorgeous mosaic of the American people in the most sensitive fashion possible."
Where do you stand on the matter? Does gender-neutral language really go "against God," or are critics blowing things out of proportion?
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CB Cuff
WoW! Where does one begin. I'm a bit unclear why this would become a discussion in a 'religious' forum.....more about ethics, or sanitizing language, of which are not necessarily compatible. Franklin Graham's comment caught my attention, "God "created them male & female" (Genesis 1:27). It's just a fact.". Well Mr Franklin the bible is not a source for reliable facts. Maybe he hasn't got beyond Gen 1:27...??
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Alan S Corr
No can change the fact that humans are born male and female. Animals as well male and female . So they are just plain stupid in Congress.
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Tom
That isn't exactly true... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/ https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/
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Douglas Robert Spindler
My God how wrong you are. One out of every 200 live births results in some a sex abnormality. Please tell us what criteria you use to call someone a man and a women. And please don't say it's a penis and a vagina as we know there are some people who have both and others who have neither.
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Nevaeh S. Perrella
this why animals eat there young lol but at least the plant and animals know the difference and purpose of 2 genders.
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Robert Edward Szekely
That isn't the issue. Gender neutral language doesn't make people sexless. What it remove the overtones of patriarchy from roles. Oh, and God doesn't have a face. Read Maimonides.
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Alan S Corr
The Bible is a reliable source. Do some research
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CB Cuff
Well no it's not a reliable source of facts because none of its story-line has been nor can be confirmed. Lots of interesting stories, if you have a good imagination though.
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Robert Edward Szekely
The Bible is not a textbook or a how-to guide. It is a book of metaphor, parable and allegory. Anybody who reads it literally is missing the real message.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
The Bible is a reliable source of false and misinformation. Try reading it. It was the Belgium Priest who proved God the and the Bible was wrong when he was talking with Einstein and came-up with the Big Bang. This esteemed priest proved God and the Bible got the order of creation wrong for days, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
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Minister Mike
Reliable source for what?
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K-Lo
do your research! That's what he said. I know you can read lol
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Lionheart
Yes, after much research I find the Bible a reliable source of myth and rubbish. J.K. Rowling did a much better job of her books, and not as bloodthirsty.
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K-Lo
Who were you looking for, and how did it end up being rubbish?
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Lionheart
I was looking for some semblance of truth and something that could be demonstrably proven. There of course isn’t any evidence of truth, apart from a few places that still seem to exist geographically. The fables of a woman being created from the rib of a man, a talking ass and serpent, and a virgin being impregnated by a deity is of course fiction.
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K-Lo
At some point you were distracted. It happens. I Would say I am sorry That an ass cannot speak to you. That a snake cannot deceive you. That you cannot not be the virgin mother to Jesus or personally know her. That your genealogy does not begin with a woman being created from a mans rib.
But I am not. The truth is, that no matter what any one says to you about the bible, the God who inspired it, or The Truth; you have already made up your mind. This is a "fable" to you, and you wont find truth because you won't seek for Truth whole heartedly, in spirit and good cheer.
Its okay tho. Better Not To Know God Than To Know God And Walk Away.
Lionheart, Are you a male or female?
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Lionheart
It is not only a fable to me, but to many who use logic and reason to establish truth.
There is a Nobel Prize waiting for the first person that can demonstrably prove your god, or any god, is real. So far, no one has met the challenge.....not even your god. Will we be seeing your name on the Noble Prize soon? I think not!
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Minister Mike
"Do your research" - the final bastion of someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
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K-Lo
Guess you have done your own research about lots of things then. or do you accept what other people tell you, because they say they have done the research and work for you ?
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Clay Serenbetz
Have you ever heard of a hermaphrodite? Educate yourself!
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Robert Edward Szekely
The current term is "intersex", BTW. :)
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Paul J. Fumero
Religion should and must be taken out of our government. Do not be fooled. God does not hate even gays no matter what the OT says. In my opinion that was not god but somrthing else.
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Robert Edward Szekely
On the ball, Paul! :)
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Krystina S.
For the entirety of human (hu-MAN) experience, gender has been used to exclude, to condemn, to overpower, to diminish. It's time that our country stop the use of gendered language in its official writings. "All MEN are created equal" has always upset me, and has been used to disenfranchise women- even beyond men who are African-American. As a middle-aged cis-gendered (traditionally gendered) woman (wo-MAN), I feel it's about time!! Thank you to the Democratic leadership for its sensitivity and INCLUSIVENESS!!! My parents, in their 80s, also agree with this change. It's not just about being "straight but not narrow," it's about having our language mirror our changing and more ethical values.
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David A Griffith
Inclusivity is what is important and by changing the language more human beings are being included. That is why conservatives and Christians do not like it, the more division the easier it is to condemn groups, declare one group better than another group, and to make law excluding certain groups.
On this day of the inauguration we are entering a time of Unity, think about it.
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Preacher Jim
I am Dad or Daddy to my children, I am Pappaw to my grandchildren, I am Pappy to my great-grandchildren, I am a brother to my Sister and Brother, I am Uncle to my Nieces and Nephews, all of my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren use the terms Aunt and Uncle respectfully when they address aunts and uncles. I love my family very deeply and they are and always will be my SONS, DAUGHTERS, GRAND DAUGHTERS AND GRANDSONS, AND GREAT-GRAND DAUGHTERS AND GRAND SONS. I am 77 years old, and as long as I live, never would I tolerate being called Parent by my kids. The only reason the leaders in congress are doing this, in my opinion, is to appease a block of their left wing supporters.
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Jennifer Hardesty
They are just using the changes on House of Representative documents. They aren't saying we have to use it. Geez Louise, people need to get a bit less sensitive. Everything isn't about you or an attack on you or your religion. smh
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Samuel Ball
Preacher Jim ,.You are right, you hit the nail on the head. I will always call my mother mom and my father dad ECT. This gender neutral crap does not belong in government. God bless you and your family.. Rev. Sam.
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Minister Mike
"Parent is not a pronoun. It's a noun.
That makes you a 77 year old moron.
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K-Lo
you're a savage and shameless lol
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tuppennyblue
"Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum." George Orwell, "Principles of Newspeak", appendix to "1984".
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James Pace
Grow up
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Robert Edward Szekely
troll.
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tuppennyblue
This concept is bad enough in English, but I don't think the French would cope with it at all, when every noun has a gender. In some other European languages, the words are different depending on whether they are spoken by a man or a woman. For instance, a Portuguese man who wants to thank you will say, "Obrigado", whereas a Portuguese woman will say, "Obrigada".
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Lourdes María Santaballa Mora
As a primary Spanish speaker, this conversation is also taking place and we don't really need your approval or intellectualization of our own progression (would that be gringosplaining?). Many of us reject the male as the umbrella under which male, female and non binary are included and whereas males are always included, females and non binary individuals must navigate to figure out if in this case the male includes them or not.
Among progressive scholars, the "e" has become a neutral vs. the male identified "o" or the female identified "a". In some places in Spanish speaking US, the x is also popular. So, you may have seen Latinx (pronounces Latínex) but since you don't speak Spanish, in my circle we would say "Latine".
One more geography lesson, America is not a country. It is two continents which include North America (Canada, the United States, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean) and Sourth America (12 independent countries and 2 French colonies).
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Robert Edward Szekely
Romance tongues and others with gendered articles would struggle with this, yes. But we should not let that hold us back from progress. America leads, we do not follow.
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Irene Munaco Windhorse
thanks for the good thoughts...I agree. Native Americans had their language taken from them. In Indigenous languages there are no "NO" words. THAT we could benefit from thinking about. Take people's languages, you break their culture and history ...
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Irene Munaco Windhorse
yes...take a language from a people....diminish thought and definition. Why would we take away useful, needed words? ADD the gender-neutral words. Don't make the English language more indiscernible than it has already become!
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Minister Mike
And George Orwell is the arbiter of the world - right? Gotta' love using fiction as a reference in a discussion about real life. 🤣
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K-Lo
Minister mike, minister mike, minister mike
Who is your favorite author?
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Minister Mike
Listen to all those white males lamenting the loss of their white male privilege. Those whines have nothing to do with faith in anything but the whiners' sense of entitlement and their absurd opinions that they are better than anyone else.
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Calvin F Pacheco
Sometimes I firmly believe that the bulk of racism is presented by supposed men of God. Then they wonder why the world hates christians
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Robert Edward Szekely
A sweeping generalization error, for sure, but I get his point. There are too many radicals speaking out on behalf of Christians, and not enough of the moderate Christians stepping up to counter and say "You don't represent us!". It does give the impression that Christianity has lost its sight of Christ's example through his actions to some people. Remaining silent in the wake of untruth, misrepresentation or injustice just allows these things to thrive unchecked.
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K-Lo
I didn't know you could speak for the world. What an honor!
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Nevaeh S. Perrella
no such thing as privilege here , 1% of the wealthy control the rest of the worlds wealth that is privilege.
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Robert Edward Szekely
So it is that many of us believe. How many have taken time to explore that statement, by doing real research and looking for substantive evidence?
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Robert Edward Szekely
Bingo, Minister Mike! :)
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Rev Hannah Grace
Once again, a storm in a teacup. God is big enough to handle human beings using diffeent pronouns in their languages. I am sure even the gender based languages like French and German and Spanish will work things out so they can adjust to gender neutral descriptions. There is so much in this world that is really important and needs our attention, so to get all worked up over pronouns is just ridiculous in my opinion. Why can't we have the same passion for the environment, animal rights, human rights, civil rights, and just basically how we treat each other? The new rules of Congress don't forbid anyone from using whatever pronouns they want - they only set the stage for more acceptance of diversity. Grow up people.
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John Cecil Hill Jr
This has got to Stop! If you were not born with ovaries and a womb, then you are a boy and you grow into a man, in his image you are made!
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Stanley Alan Marchand
WOW it got figured out ! I knew it could happen with enough talk very cool !
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Can someone please tell me what criteria we use to determine if someone is male or female? With 1 out of every 200 live births resulting in some type of sex disorder what criteria do we use? Do you call a hermaphrodite a man or a women? If you look at human development we are all destined to be women. It is not uncommon for person to be labeled as a girl at birth only to go through puberty and have a penis.
Anyone have a good way of defining who we should call a man and a women? And what do we call someone who is both? Or someone who is neither?
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Robert Edward Szekely
The public-at-large has been recently awakened to the reality that gender exists on the spectrum. Those who insist on forcing in into a binary structure are Neanderthals. They will not last.
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Annamarie Bent
What difference does it make? We are all God's Children! If you truly believe that God has a divine plan ... then accept what is!
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Russel A. Kester
How very interesting. Because men of the past behaved so badly, the sins of the father are being visited upon his children and his children's children down to the seventh generation. Want to get mad at someone? Blame the men of yesterday for being so completely aweful to just about everyone.
Are all of these things that we're doing now the right things to do? Based on our human history, probably not.
But forward we go.
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Stanley Alan Marchand
Fill in the blank To the ----------------------- he said," I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you." Genesis 1: 16 To this day men don't give birth, God makes it so easy to understand, that whole gender thing.
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Angel
Just like the bible also say Collosions 4:1 Masters, treat your slaves justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven. Can't awknowldege one without the other and one is relevent while the other is not....
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K-Lo
Colossians if you're gonna nit-pick do it right. lol
Also, read chapters 1-5 to understand that verse alone. Genesis 1:16 can be understood after reading chapters 1-3.
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Mary Elizabeth Sanderson
Those that are using this as a political platform from the pulpit should stop. It is a piece of trivia to God. They should leave politics to those we vote into office. It’s all a power play from antichristians. They pretend to be speaking for God. In reality, it’s their own power they are trying to subvert minds with. Trump supporters are especially susceptible.
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Mary Elizabeth Sanderson
Those that are using this as a political platform from the pulpit should stop. It is a piece of trivia to God. They should leave politics to those we vote into office. It’s all a power play from antichristians. They pretend to be speaking for God. In reality, it’s their own power they are trying to subvert minds with. Trump supporters are especially susceptible.
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Lionheart
All I have to say is that she/he/them/us/her/they is an idiot.
Amen and Women 🤪
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Thom
I believe my gender pronoun is - DUDE. When a drunk is elected to be the speaker of the house, a child sniffer "elected" president and, a woman who slept her way into politics has been "elected" VP, you end up with this kind of crap. There are two genders and then those who are mentally confused. You can take it from there.
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Robert Edward Szekely
Opinions unsupported by facts.
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Richard David Atwood
I agree with you almost 100%. One thing I don't is "mentally confused". Most of these people are not confused, they have been brainwashed by people like Pelosi and the rest of the criminals in DC. They just want another thing to divide people so they can collect more of your money.
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Robert Edward Szekely
Again, labeling and divisiveness are counterproductive. Be an American.
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Sandra Lent
true words
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Eugene Evans
Without God this country is in trouble.
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Anisahoni
Where's God been for the last 4 horrible years under a racist and criminal monster?
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Richard David Atwood
Of course your referring to Pelosi and Shumer right. it's the same every where. The most racist people are the ones who call everyone they don't like racist. Get a clue dummy. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANYTHING. Funny how that works.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Hm lets see insults, whataboutism, needless caps use as if to stress trying to shout at and intimidate. Yeah sorry RDA your post is invalid in any forum of reasoned debate. Welcome to not ever mattering here to those of us who actually understand the secular nature of the ULC.
Drumpf is as racist as they come, anyone trying to deny this fact at this point is simply beneath all who are part of actual society, and belong under their rocks hiding in the dark afraid of enlightenment.
And erhm uhm have you listened to how the folks who support Drumpf endlessly complain about the war on christainity and white americans? They literally spout being racially persecuted and the victims of a white genocide non stop, its literally the reason why they exist in the manifesto of many of the far right hate groups. Drumpf since day one has spouted his persecution complex even as he persecutes, and blames all others and out right says he will never accept responsibility for anything even when he is the so called leader of the free world.
Funny how that works. Id lay even odds you are at the very least a closet racist who thinks they are not racist because they dont mean anything when they call a black person the N word.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
With God this country is in more trouble.
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Minister Mike
And what evidence is there that, with god, this country is doing anything but terrible?
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T Kosse`
Which god are you taking about?
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Minister Mike
Any god. All gods. Pick your poison.
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Robert Edward Szekely
Unproven. More harm than good has been done in God's name.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Why aren't we talking about the Washington riot, and attack on our nation's capital? That's what's first and foremost on my mind. Y'all won't be hearing from me regarding these far lesser important subjects until this matter has been resolved, probably with Trump's removal from office. I'm staying too busy watching and reading news coverage of these events to think about anything else, and suggest y'all do the same.
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T Kosse`
Anyone who still support Trump and any of his enablers in the Capitol building after last Wednesday attack on our county's democracy, isn't a true American nor a Patriot You're nothing but a Traitor and insurrectionist and deserve to be treated as such
This is the TOTAL BS that you Traitors and insurrectionist have be using because you know YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!
As early as 2:30 p.m. on Wednesday, just as the mob was taking over the Capitol building, claims that Antifa had “infiltrated” the group started to go viral on Twitter. The far-right blog The Gateway Pundit insisted that a whole busload of “Antifa thugs” was on the scene. Others claimed that a well-known figure in the Q Anon movement, Jake Angeli, was a “paid actor” and a secret liberal supporter of Black Lives Matter, or they labeled random photos of members of the crowd “ANTIFA supporters dressed in MAGA clothing.” By the evening, the theory had been picked up by several Republican members of Congress, including Representatives Paul Gosar of Arizona, Mo Brooks of Alabama, and Matt Gaetz of Florida. (None of these representatives’ offices returned a request for comment.)
The theory is false. There is no credible evidence of involvement by Antifa, which is not an organized group and has been responsible for very little violence, while Gray and numerous other known MAGA figures actually were involved in the insurrection. But empirical reality notwithstanding, the Antifa story has become a dividing line within the MAGA world this week—and a telling symbol of its internal upheaval.
Over the past two days, Trump loyalists have been bickering online over whether to take credit for and celebrate their most dramatic action yet, or distance themselves from the scene by calling up familiar conspiracy theories to explain it away. Some may genuinely believe, as they say, that paid “crisis actors” are responsible. Many don’t seem to know what they believe, or what is most savvy to present, and pivot from post to post. Still others, like Gray, are consistently frustrated and outraged that anybody on their side wouldn’t be proud of what happened Wednesday afternoon. “The blue-check conservatives, all the popular ones, put ‘1776’ in their bios and tweet about how it’s time for patriots to stand up and fight,” he told me. “Then they turn around and condemn patriots doing exactly that.”
The coalition, in other words, is experiencing a schism—and you can watch it on Twitter, or by flipping through Instagram Stories. As soon as #StopTheSteal went offline in a serious, dangerous way, everyone who had been posting about it had to choose a side, or a reality. Broadly, the Republican establishment and its voters have had to grapple with whether they want to continue claiming the party’s radical flank. Wednesday “was probably the most visceral experience of watching a political party fracture,” says Joan Donovan, the research director at the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. “It seems to me that we’re in the midst of watching MAGA become its own movement.”
The Antifa rumor is unsurprising and sort of stale—a knee-jerk response at this point to anything that certain right-wing commentators see in public and don’t like. “This is such a repetitive tactic that many in the [disinformation] field don’t even track it anymore, because it’s so glaringly obvious,” Donovan told me. Nevertheless, it caught on easily—just as it did last summer, when Antifa was repeatedly blamed for stoking unrest during the Black Lives Matter protests, and the summer before, when Trump first tweeted that the “Radical Left Wack Jobs” were a “major Organization of Terror.” By Wednesday evening, the Fox News hosts Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson were on air suggesting that it was not clear how many people at the Capitol were actually Trump supporters. Ingraham also tweeted the link to a now-debunked story on the Washington Times website, which claimed that members of Antifa had been identified using facial-recognition technology.
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Stanley Alan Marchand
Put one half million people together ang guess what in that group will murderers rapist and any other human malignancy you can thing of just remember that before you go of on a rage rant of your own . LOL
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Richard David Atwood
Funny how you call what happened at the capital a "riot" while calling the burning and looting of homes and businesses all over the country for 9 months a "mostly peaceful protest". Funny how you willingly forget that over 30 people were killed by your "mostly peaceful protests". Funny how you willingly forget that hundreds of family owned stores and shops were burnt and looted by your "mostly peaceful protests. What I find funny is that there are so many of you out there that will call what happened in DC a riot, while still being stupid enough to call the destruction of countless homes and businesses a "peaceful protest".
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Sandra Lent
I agree totally with your comments, and I wonder the same thing myself.
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Richard David Atwood
P.S. Your theory is the one that's wrong. Many of the people who were the ones going INTO the capital are KNOWN antifa and blm members. A couple have been arrested based on their own video that they shot in DC. Admitting that they came to cause trouble ON VIDEO and then being dumb enough to post those videos online. They were there, they were there to cause trouble, and they admitted it on video and bragged about it for all the other dummies to see. Of course the lamestream media didn't tell you that did they?
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Tom
You're making a false equivalency fallacy. Storming the capitol because your candidate lost an election is not comparable to protesting policing policies that have lead to Black men being 2.5 times more likely to be killed by law enforcement then White men, not to mention the years worth of protests that have come before 2020 with little to no changes being made by our government.
Also, no, there is zero evidence that any antifa or BLM protestors were involved at the capitol. There is, however, plenty of evidence of Trump supporters and White nationalist militia members being present and actively searching for members of congress. https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-trump-supporters-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/20/fbi-evidence-capitol-insurrection-plan-460836
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Larry Mager
REV Hannah Grace, I couldn't have said it any better! Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Larry Mager
REV Hannah Grace, I couldn't have said it any better! Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gail Dobson
If there is a god it surely doesn't care what we call ourselves. It's not that petty,right?
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The Gray Minister
I thought church & state are to be separate when it comes to government
So church shouldnt have any words to say on this matter as so the government should say anything about religious stuff
Because when it comes to government affairs anyways the government is part of the head of the dragon or the leviathan when you really look into all this so you’re religious people should look away unless you’ve taken the mark
I dont think people in government should be able to say anything about anything with religious affairs
People in government shouldn’t beable to say what religion they are it should be for bidden they’re supposed to be separate
But I agree with taking he and she out of the words & Make it strictly whatever words that use representative and all that stuff yeah I agree with what they want to do even though I don’t like that woman I’m on her side on this
Minister Gray
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Woodrow
Is gender language dying? No, but the people are.
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Daniel Gray
Um sorry but they got it wrong yet again. The HOUSE did this, BUT the House is not the complete Congress. The Senate voted against it. meaning for this to take effect they would have to bring it back up again and then BOTH Houses would have to vote to approve it before anyone can say that Congress did this. More click bait
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Walter Eugene Curtis
Mr. Graham thinks he doesn't know anyone who has physical proof on their own body of intersexuality.
I have experienced from a former Mormon perspective how Salt Lake leaders react when they learn some facts. Clue: Often, they are no longer quite so dogmatic and exclusive in their language and actions.
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Jeff McClain
It is obvious to me now why nothing gets done in our country from the top down, why can't they concern themselves with the business of the people instead of which bathroom one chooses to use!
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Lori Mongillo
Check Snopes. This article is exaggerated.
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Nevaeh S. Perrella
I do not know know were to even begin with this mess. so i guess a lot of birth certificates will be getting changed, to start i guess is there is Gay,Straight and what i call in between, in a gay community a male or female is is still man or woman with the exception of someone who gas a gender change. much life some fish that will change gender if no males are present or to female. even animals know the basics of this it is for production. two sexes period with one exception some are born with a genetic physical of both doctors even though wrong will make the choice as to what sex they should be this is wrong in opinion. there is no such thing as gender neutral mental and physical characteristic are different and nothing will change that unless dosing hormones. i think if anything they should have done is racial natural approach we are people created from a higher power. we are here to love everyone and take care of this world and grow . this lady like biden either have agender or need to have adjustment to there medications but we all know they are just pawns anyways. if the politicians can keep people focused on other matters it leaves them to do what they want without notice. we are being turned into a week and scared society slowly to be ruled over as we are pumped full of fluoride and other chemicals to make us more subservient., if you drop a from in boiling water it will jump out if you drop a frog in water and slowly turn up the heat it will stay and boil to death we are the frogs.
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Betty Dean
How about I will respect your pronouns and you respect mine. This is a ridiculous thing that Congress is doing. There are so many bigger issues than this. You HAVE to use these pronouns even if you "identify" as another sex, you then want to be called a "man" or a "woman" or "he/she". That's fine, but stop with this ridiculous issue. As a Minister, I respect whatever you tell me you prefer. I will always be "Mother, Woman and Sister" and you can be whatever you want as well.
This is just Virtue Signalling to me.....in my opinion.
Peace.
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Mary Katherine Durfey
This person (woman) is evil, vile and scary. We need to do something about getting her out of politics.
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Minister Mike
I think she personifies everything good, pleasant, and wonderful. She should remain in politics, especially as Majority Leader in the House, for another 50 years.
You, my dear, are the evil one, so vile as to scare even satan, his own self.
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Lisa G. Keys
I still have a grade school report card ftom the 1960s where the language throughout the report is male.i was graded on performance described by He, him. I remember it even though I was probably 6 or 7 and protesting to my mother that I am not a boy. I was told by the teacher that thats just the was it is written and it didn't mean anything. To me it did. It felt degrading and I was not going to accept it. So I totally understand why Nancy Pelosi wants to gender neutralize the wording in legislation. It does matter. Men commonly use male terms in describing the divine. God is everything. Male is one aspect of God. God cannot be male or nothing else would exist. Seems simple to me. Hanging on to outdated belief systems doesn't promote spiritual growth. Time to get past the ego and become more encompassing of the existence of the whole.
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Noel Gallucci
God, deities, or overall religion doesn't belong in politics anyway. I don't know why this is still debated when we have the "separation of church and state" to begin with.
Changing to gender neutral pronouns will make them more inclusive, serving the purpose of bringing everyone together and humbling people to stand on the same level as each other.
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Walter Scott Blackson
We know we are on the right path if Kevin McCarthy and Franklin Graham are criticizing it.
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Minister Mike
Supposing, for the sake of argument, that the christian perspective is correct (but not necessarily the only one) - where in the christian holy book does it require the use of gender specific pronouns? [Hint - no where]
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Carl A. Hankins
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K-Lo
It doesn't have to say lmbo
"I minister Mike dont require you to use gender specific pronouns due to the non-binary community in the latter days will get their feelings hurt" (Min.Mik 101:10) 2021 Against Christianity Translation
The holy book that you speak of already uses them.
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Minister Mike
Pure obfuscation. The use by the book is not a requirement that others do so.
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K-Lo
obfuscation? Its clear young man. Here is another example.
You ask me if I know where you left the cup you used this morning. My answer; The red cup is on the table. You see the red cup that's on the book on top of the table. 0) You found the cup you were looking for. 1) its the only table around and that detail is not important. 2) The color of the cup was mentioned because that's the cup that I remember seeing there because I don't recall using a cup. 3) The book is also not an important detail, but you saw it. The only things documented would be your question and my answer.
Please proceed to explain on "The use by the book is not a requirement that others do so."
Genesis 3:1,4,5 “Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the WILD animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You can’t eat from any tree in the garden?” ... But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
John 8:44 “You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars.”
Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.”
Luke 24:38 “And he said to them, ‘Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?”
2 Corinthians 4:4 “in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
Isaiah 41:10 “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”
2 Corinthians 1:10 “He delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will deliver us again.”
2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?”
John 17:17 “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.”
1 John 3:8 “the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.”
2 Corinthians 10:5 “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.”
2 Timothy 1:7 “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”
John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
1 John 4:1 “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
James 1:5 “But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.”
Just giving some scripture as a recap of what I am sure you have already read since you sound like you have lots of knowledge. Pray as an unbeliever to receive understanding. The Good News is for EVERYONE who chooses to seek the truth. Mark 9:24 “Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!”
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Minister Mike
You must be a retrumplican - haven't heard so much blather since the last time I heard him speak.
The christian bible does not require the use of gender specific pronouns. You don't like it so throw up a smoke screen of bs that has nothing to do with the statement.
Be quiet boy, and let the adults have discourse without your childish tantrums.
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Minister Mike
Now you're outright lying. Typical christian gobbledygook. I did not ask you anything about a cup.
I did ask where in the christian holy book does it require the use of gender specific pronouns - a question you haven't answered. So I'll do it for you - no where.
Run along, boy, you're boring and your bigotry is showing.
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Richard Lee Cornell
Calling her a a series of four letter words would help to explain her language.
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Kelly Scott Kenworthy
Wow, that Franklin dude has some anger in his heart, not sure it’s righteous...
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Carl A. Hankins
As I know God. I also know he chooses as he will but for a specific reason. Speaking to all people he has never done except in third person. I believe the outcome he proposed through his written about speakers has ultimate consequences. And that's without invoking the ten comandments. This world has always afflicted and trespassed on the lives of his. That's one decernment here that will never be forgiven in heaven. Jesus wasn't his till after he was killed off. That's the difference between the old and new testament. So who really cares if the grammar is changed to suit the occasion. Maybe the third person...?
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David Bartlett
No religion nor any of it's adherents have any say on religious grounds what happens in the halls of congress. The capitol building is not a church nor a Sunday school. If Christianity is given preferential treatment in government then I want equal time for my non Christian religion.
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K-Lo
We learned to be creative over the years. I'm sure there's already a way to force genetics to make unborn babies a specific gender. Its a shame really, and now this. We live in a time where if we don't agree with their ideas, we are the bad guys. WE the Christians. Maybe the biblical number given of those who enter heaven is actually literal. The way things are going. I agree with Kevin McCarthy.
Signed,
- A Daughter, Wife, Mother, Sister, Niece
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Minister Mike
What's wrong with babies genetically modified in the womb? Or earlier? After all, god gave humans those tools, and there is nothing in your bible that prohibits it. Just another thing for YOU christians to whine about and try to create fear among those who won't think for themselves.
Yup, YOU christians are the bad guys 100% of the time. Maybe, if you lived what your bible says, you'd be good guys occasionally.
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K-Lo
The God in the holy book, as you like to call it, Min Mike, has a capitol G. If you are referring to your freedom of will and the ability to create as tools, then its what you do with the tools that makes the difference. I can give you a smart phone to stay in touch with your family on a long distance. I trust you'll use it for that purpose and enhance the way to better communicate. Then you decide that you want to use it for inappropriate things. (let me know if you need examples of what inappropriate things are) SO, males and females make choices. Now we find ourselves with men and women who are wanting to also change a language just because he or she found out that his or her emotions and/or feelings are hurt.
"there is nothing in your bible that prohibits it." lets turn to the ACT (Min. Mike 10:3) "The bible has no verbatim on this specific topic or situation that can relate to our lives. Therefore, if its not there we can do what we want. There shall be no consequences" Im sure your knowledge knows it all by now, looking forward to you actually making your own library of books.
"another thing for YOU christians to whine about" lol says the supporter of the whiners who cant deal with order and try to make everyone else fit his or her emotional standards.
"and try to create fear among those who won't think for themselves." Fear? nope, just informing but it sounds like you want them to be selfish. Cool beans. Salvation is personal after all. Bible studies that have critical thinking help many, as I am sure you have hosted several.
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Minister Mike
God gets a big G when used as the first word in a sentence or in a title. Any other instance it gets a little g, just like me. If I'm made in god's image, and me gets a small letter, ipso facto god is a small thing, too.
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K-Lo
"If I'm made in god's image, and me gets a small letter, ipso facto god is a small thing, too."
Your title of minister is with cap M. Your name is also with a cap fist letter. I don't think little of you disciple, you're learning, slowly but surely. You're not a small thing, you never were; not even at your darkest. Romans 5:8
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Minister Mike
"me" as in the pronoun, moron. At 5'9" tall I'm not all that big, physically, either.
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K-Lo
lmbo that "me" explains. If you use little g then its not the God that I would be speaking about, disciple. As I mentioned, the one we speak of in the holy book (as you call it) is with a capitol G.
Thanks in advance!
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K-Lo
(Yup, YOU christians are the bad guys 100% of the time. Maybe, if you lived what your bible says, you'd be good guys occasionally.)
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)
Guess you wont get seen by and Christian medical doctors or nurses then. Don't let the Christian mechanic touch your car either he might send you to heaven faster lol
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Minister Mike
Run along and play somewhere else you evil little boy.
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Mary Elizabeth Sanderson
You are the evil white boy. Read the original Bible.
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Minister Mike
Still waiting for you to tell us which original bible you want us to read.
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Mary Elizabeth Sanderson
You are the evil white boy. Read the original Bible.
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Minister Mike
I agree, Mary E - I am as evil as you.
By original bible - is that in Latin, Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew? Please specify - I might already have done so.
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K-Lo
"By original bible - is that in Latin, Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew? Please specify - I might already have done so."
You are correct yet again disciple Min Mike. Your knowledge is growing extensively!!
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Mila J Povah
Has anyone reminded Pelosi she died a couple of centuries ago?
I do not care the office she holds/lives in, she is beyond being in sync a couple of centuries ago. She wants very much to be president. I know. Shut up.
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Mary Elizabeth Sanderson
You are a Trump supporter. Have you no shame ?
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Lionheart
Are you enjoying gas prices going up yet? How’s unemployment doing for US citizens? How’s the immigrant crisis going for non-citizens coming in? This is only the beginning for America Last. Enjoy the ride, it’s going to cost you and your wallet.
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Minister Jeannine of the Church of the Free Spirit
Oh and it hasn’t? You must have been one of the ones gleaming from your privilege and power and just now coming to realize what most of us have known and lived for some time now. Guess God is working as the great equalizer? We can only hope, that God brings all his people to a inhuman existence that has always been equals in Gods eye! I am assuming by your comments in this article Topic that somehow you believe that women and other non traditional men somehow will mismanage the nation and cause economic crisis, that did not happen under the “reign” of the patriarch. Have you been living under a rock?
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Lionheart
Thank you for your comment Jeannine. I’m not sure which mythical god you are referring to, possibly the Christian one?
Your assumption is wrong about my views of women. I don’t particularly like Pelosi though, or AOC, but then again, I don’t like Schumer either, a man that speaks with forked tongue. I actually quite like Tulsi Gabbard, she seems to make a lot of sense and talks with intelligence. I think she would make a better President than Kamala Harris will do when Biden’s dementia gets worse.
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Minister Jeannine of the Church of the Free Spirit
Ah and you call yourself a minister of God? I wonder what Emperor, your God is? Why are you in the ULC? Maybe you should just go to one of those other “religious” institutions that welcome your lack of diversity and heart of hate with open arms.
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Minister Jeannine of the Church of the Free Spirit
Ah and you call yourself a minister of God? I wonder what Emperor, your God is? Why are you in the ULC? Maybe you should just go to one of those other “religious” institutions that welcome your lack of diversity and heart of hate with open arms.
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Angel
Sorry, bit your "religious belifs" are left at the door when American tax payers pay your wages. Besides, I think you have bigger things to worry about, such as Socialism". You think your rights are in jeapordy now?? You ain't even going to have the right to complain if we go socialist....
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Minister Jeannine of the Church of the Free Spirit
I think it is long overdue that a country who prides itself boasting about its greatness as a leader has finally come around to accepting the other half of its human population as worthy of not being oppressed, excluded and disregarded. It’s a shame that oppressed people have had to fight so hard for their rightful place as human beings. I put the onus on this evil doing of human denigration smack on traditional patriarchal religious cultures who have long refused to accept women as of equal value and standing. Even in their “Holy Trinity, of father, son and Holy Ghost”, they chose to completely remove the feminine from existence! They have also used, things like “skin color”, “race” and other “cultural” and “human created” identities to oppress, exclude and abuse hundreds of millions of humans, denigrated our planet and environment with their “religious right” cultural designations and power, all flying completely in the face of God. Kudos to the few in our federal government who actually get the ideals of “freedom, equality and justice for ALL”, and a nation that keeps, “separation of church and state”! In my opinion “religion” has been the root of ALL evil when it could have been the roots of all good. But the again those two choices belie in the minds of humanity, and it’s programming. And “Christianity” and other female disregarding religious camps wonder why they are losing members and youth! What human wants to be a part of a humanity that denies their existence but for a toy for man! Kudos to Nancy for representing the other half or so of us! And thank you to all the men who are not threatened by sharing the rightful equality of others! A time long overdue has finally come to move us forward in evolution!!!
I'm ecstatic that congress is being so forward thinking.
Grow up