A black and white photo of Harriet Tubman
Harriet Tubman is widely recognized as one of the greatest heroes in American history.

The Trump administration decided recently to renege on Obama-era plans to redesign the $20 bill. Famed abolitionist Harriet Tubman will no longer replace slave-owning President Andrew Jackson on the bill. Unfazed by the change of heart, one church is now running its own $20 bill printing press in protest.

"The U.S. Treasury said they will not," Pastor Laura Ruth Jarrett declared to her Hope Central Church congregation in Boston. "And we say we will."

From their location in Boston's diverse Jamaica Plain neighborhood, the small church has been stamping all $20 bills collected from its offering plates with Tubman's face.

The simple gesture protests Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's proclamation that Jackson's face would remain on the front of the bill until at least 2028. Then-candidate Trump called the decision to put Tubman's face on the $20 bill 'political correctness' and suggested printing Tubman's face on the $2 bill-- a denomination that is no longer printed.

So as Secretary Mnuchin punts the redesign to a future administration, the Hope Central Church continues to stamp over President Jackson's visage on the $20. With a laugh, Ann Potter described her glee in stamping over Jackson's face on bill after bill. "I'm taking such pleasure in this... Mr. Trail of Tears, gone!"

American History

Andrew Jackson has long been a divisive figure in American politics, drawing both fervent support and smoldering condemnation. Historical records show the country's seventh president owned as many as 160 slaves and played a pivotal role in relocating over 60,000 Native Americans by force to make room for more plantations. More than 4,000 Cherokees died on their march west along what came to known as the Trail of Tears.

But historians also regularly rank Jackson highly. Jackson did delay the Civil War by squashing the Nullification Crisis and was the only president in history to pay off the national debt.

Tubman, meanwhile, escaped from the Maryland plantation where she was born into slavery. After reaching freedom, Tubman almost immediately turned around to aid the escape of others. All told, Tubman led 13 expeditions along the Underground Railroad to help dozens of slaves gain their freedom. Later, Tubman acted as a scout and spy for the Union Army in the Civil War, and in her twilight years was active in the woman's suffrage movement.

Stamp of Approval

Selected amongst thousands of nominations, Tubman would have become the first African American on paper money - her 2020 introduction meant to coincide with the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage in America.

Hope Central Church congregant Marylou Steeden says stamping the $20 bills is its own "little rebellion."

Other congregations seem interested in following suit. And now Hope Central Church is now considering becoming a stamping station for anyone seeking to have his or her bills stamped.

The HCC congregation has taken great pride in being both inclusive and committed to racial equity, despite being mostly white. The church's volunteer racial justice team regularly meets with the pastor to brainstorm ways to serve local communities, and all services include a welcome message to "people of all colors, cultures, abilities, sexual orientations and gender expressions."

"We do not value the colonialism of white supremacy," Jarrett tells followers. "Our work is not to provide charity, but rather to provide reparation, to give back what we stole."

The idea seems to be taking off. Etsy shops are sprouting up with their own Harriet Tubman stamps for sale.

What do you think? Is this church right to take a moral stand for a cause they so strongly believe in? Or should churches butt out of political issues?




    1. Chris Warner's Avatar Chris Warner

      REALLY? That's all you have? Thou shall not judge.

      1. Mark Twain's Avatar Mark Twain

        And yet we are called to be discerning. It's OK to call a spade a spade. Your response indicates that it was actually YOU who judged, as you clearly place a value on racism, and you also clearly judged Jorge. But all that aside, we have a man in the Oval Office who has said 1/3 of the world's population (most of whom are of a particular ethnic background) are unworthy to be welcomed into our homeland. His attempts to slow immigration are targeted exclusively at people with skin darker than his own natural hues, while claiming that illegal immigration is the biggest harm and ignoring the countries that are the source of the most (and white) illegal immigrants.. Only yesterday he defended his attack on the Central Park Exonerated. He twice settled with the justice department for refusing to rent to African Americans. When neo-Nazi's marched in Charlottesville, he stated that "some of them are very fine people." That's not nearly all I have, but what do YOU have?


        1. Thom's Avatar Thom

          You clearly have Trump Derangement syndrome

        2. Michael Grace's Avatar Michael Grace

          Trump never said the neo-Nazi’s were very fine people, that is taken out of context.

          Here are the unambiguous actual words of President Trump:

          “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

          After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

          “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

          The “some of them are very fine people.” comment was referring to the group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

      2. Potato Richardson's Avatar Potato Richardson

        Please stay out of politics.

    2. Annabelle's Avatar Annabelle

      Yes without judgement just a kinder way to stand up and be heard and seen. Very refreshing.

    3. James's Avatar James

      I support the peaceful "little rebellion" of the church in question but given the uses that American money is put to in the world such as the distribution of arms, corruption of political systems and support of grossly corrupt governments, oppression of people who dare to disagree with policies, theft of natural resources, "rendition", black ops, and continuous war, I wonder if Harriet Tubman or any other compassionate person would truly consider it an "honour" to appear upon it.

    4. Debbe Shanks's Avatar Debbe Shanks

      The Pope has no right to judge anyone either. God will do that when its time.

      1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        If there was one!


        1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

          Lion dear....you are about as lame an atheist as I've seen in a while. Where's the passion? Where's the absolute conviction? I'll bet you even acknowledge Truth exists of which you know nothing about. Possibly even Reality out there somewhere. And, maybe even Aliens. All without proof. Kimberly shakes her head sadly.

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            The truth is “I exist”. I show up every day. I don’t know if intergalactic aliens exist. I know illegal aliens exist, they show up at our border every day. I wonder if one of them is God incognito? Nah...he’s too dumb to try that. ICE would send him back.

            Let’s sit down Kimberly and worship a real cup of coffee ☕️.


          2. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            The cure for illegal aliens is to turn the border into a war zone. You do hit on what will most likely happen when Jesus returns. The world once again will reject him and attempt to kill him. Fortunately, he's coming with an army this time and won't take "no" for an answer. I drink tea dear.

      2. Douglas Keaton's Avatar Douglas Keaton

        A lot of Protestants would say the pope isn't a Christian.

    5. Brian H Davies. JP.'s Avatar Brian H Davies. JP.

      Why in 2019 is the world so hateful and still wanting to glorify past deeds, condemn past deeds and trying to obliterate both. The saying goes that if you have one foot in yesterday and the other in tomorrow how are you going to travel through today? All the earth's nations have raped pillaged, enslaved, and murdered fellow human being since humans became obsessed with power, be it monetary, political, geographical, over resources, and yes even over religion too.

      If everyone could get into their thick skulls that we are all in this together regardless of all the above factors, we only have this planet to live on, there is no exit plan or space ark to remove us to another Eutopia the buck stops here, so for once can we please drop personal hatreds for leaders who have been democratically elected, and just demand more of our politicians, and public servants to move into the balance of this decade with a clear understanding that life isn't perfect, but you can make it better.


    Defacing currency is a crime... Arrest her! Lock her up! Lock her up!

    1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

      Wrong. Check your facts before commenting. (it's far less embarrassing)

      Defacement of Currency Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. https://www.moneyfactory.gov/resources/lawsandregulations.html

      1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

        The key word is "generally". I would not accept a $20 bill with a sticker on it. I don't accept any bills that have been altered.

        1. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

          Legally, the key words would be "...with intent to render item(s) unfit to be reissued..."

          1. JASON D BENDER's Avatar JASON D BENDER

            A bill with her ugly mug on it most certainly is unfit to be reissued!

      2. Tim Ditmore's Avatar Tim Ditmore

        “or does any other thing to any bank bill”

        She committed a crime. Lock her up!!

        1. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

          Nope. The qualifying definition for a crime are the words "...with intent to render item(s) unfit to be reissued..."

          1. Annabelle's Avatar Annabelle

            Ye without sin cast the first stone......

        2. Nicholas Parks's Avatar Nicholas Parks

          Do you include the Santa Claus pictures that adorn many bills during the holidays? And what about the banks that get slap happy with their rubber stamp? Or what if it's the only thing you have to write down a number or you write happy birthday on a twenty are you breaking the law. Then again you probably hate the very idea of a person of color being honored. Get use to it because some time in the future president Obama's face will adorn some form of our currency.

          1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            highly unlikely. zero-bama was a forgettable person when he was in office. Now he's a laughing stock except to those who embrace racial idealism rather than competence.

  1. Guairdean's Avatar Guairdean

    If the church wants to make a statement about her life and her works, that's fine. I'm not sure defacing currency is the best way to educate the public, but it's probably not a big deal in the grand scheme of things given the short life of the average piece of paper money in the US. What's disconcerting is the statement about "the colonialism of white supremacy" and "to provide reparation, to give back what we stole.” Similar words are being spoken in South Africa followed by very un-Christian and very immoral actions.

    1. Robin's Avatar Robin

      What exactly are the "un-christian and immoral actions" that you speak of?

  1. Alicia's Avatar Alicia

    While I agree that Harriet Tubman deserves the honor of being on currency, it would be a huge cost to change the existing templates at this time. When it's time to update the bills, the matter should be brought up at that time.

    As for what this church is doing, they need to stop.They are defacing US currency. Instead of doing this, they need to get out a petition to send to the White House to hopefully change President Trump's decision.This needs to be a nationwide petition in order to have impact.

    Another thing that could be done is to launch a Twitter campaign asking President Trump to reconsider. I think I'll send my Tweet out tonight....

    1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

      The 10 and 50 dollar bills are coming out with no problem.

    2. Carl Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Elfstrom

      A lot of people deserve such an honor,,but we ca'nt put all of their pictures on our money. There's nothing wrong with the pictures that are on our money already, so why not leave a good thing alone, and find something else to put Tubman's picture on, like maybe a U.S. postage stamp, or at least something like baseball trading cards, wacky packages stickers.

      1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

        Yes....stop trying to color everything. I'm surprised toilet paper is still white as stupid as things are getting.

      2. Mark Twain's Avatar Mark Twain

        1) The bills are being redesigned for security purposes. It turns out that early 20th Century technology isn't all the effective as we head into the middle of the 21st Century. They're doing the same thing will all the U.S. paper money. This wasn't about promoting Harriet Tubman per se, it was about putting her face on the bill when it was scheduled to be redone anyway. 2) Andrew Jackson was a major player in one of the biggest genocides in history. When that bill is redesigned, it's time someone else got some recognition. Preferably someone who worked AGAINST racism instead of someone who worked FOR racism.

        1. Thom's Avatar Thom

          You clearly are making the classic mistake of putting current values on a historical figure of over 200 years ago. Also nither Jackson or Tubman were for or against racism. The were on different sides of the slave issue

      3. Ven Fleeker's Avatar Ven Fleeker

        Why shouldn't we change them regularly? We should have a long list of people to honor,and rotate them in and out on a set schedule,. I'm sure somebody thought Jackson was a good President at the time, but not anymore. Even if they were good or great, no one historical figure should have a monopoly on currency face time.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          Totally agree. I can’t wait to see the face of our wonderful President Trump on our currency ?


          1. Michael Grace's Avatar Michael Grace

            While I support Trump in a lot of what he has done, I do NOT want to see him on money.

            I think all people on money/stamps/etc should be long dead first, maybe like 100 years dead before they can be put on anything, that gives plenty of time for history to decide if what they did was good/bad/indifferent.

    3. Mark Twain's Avatar Mark Twain

      According to people at the Federal Reserve, the re-design process is moving along on schedule. I'm sure everyone is SHOCKED to learn that the Tangerine Taint and his minions lie so casually, but it's true. This was never about the processs of redesigning the bill, this was about an administration that welcomed the endorsement of the KKK paying back its supporters.

  1. Kirk's Avatar Kirk

    I don’t deface money and don’t accept defaced money because if I try to use it, the person I’m paying doesn’t have to accept it. Aside from that, I’m ok with Tubman being on the 20 because she was awesome. I think the only reason Obama proposed it, was to further divide the country for supposed racist bs and to boost democrat turn out for the 2016 election. Obama only did things for political points, not because he actually cared. I think that is the only reason Trump sided with the Secretary of the Treasury to not change the pic.


      You are a delusional retard for saying "I think the only reason Obama proposed it, was to further divide the country" I bet you voted for trump and think he is doing an awesome job too... LOL What a maroon!*

      *Bugs Bunny spelling and pronunciation of Moron, not a spelling error.

      1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler


      2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Are you saying Jason that Obama and his husband were good for this country? I fear Sir that it is you that is delusional if you believe he was good for this country. He was one of the worst treasonal Presidents this country has ever had. He totally sold us out.



          LOL... You had me going for my flamethrower and drafting a rebuttal in my head for quite some time.... lol... until I saw it was you who wrote this. Despite your being a witty, well read fellow progressive traveler, your caricature of a conspiracy theory addicted, trumpsterite with the typical low information and dubious intelligence levels is spot on and pitch perfect!

          I worry that the luddites here will interpret your awesome performance art at face value, though...

          Shalom, friend... :)

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            ? Luddites had me smiling Jason. They were of course opposed to modern technologies. Our nation is always wonderfully at the forefront of technology, unlike those nations of a very dubious religion that wear nightdresses and are still back in the 10th century....way before the time of the Luddites. ?

            Those who embrace that religion, tell me they are of very dubious character, and intelligence, which amazes me that Obama didn’t have the ability to see through that, which leads me to believe there was more to his Presidency than any of us may ever know.

            Though Donald Trump may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, he appears to have the ability to put this nation, and its people, before anything else.

            Perhaps only time will tell which was the better President as we try and get back to the nation we once were.

            Peace ✌?


          2. JASON D BENDER's Avatar JASON D BENDER

            I dislike Islam as much as you do!

        2. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

          "...Obama and his husband..." ??? WTF?

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            You didn’t know Michelle was a man, and Obama was gay?

            Even Joan Rivers knew and she announced it to the world. A few months later she was dead in very suspicious circumstances.

            Google it!


    2. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

      You think President Obama wanted to further divide the country? Because our money has so many faces of diversity? Are there too many minorities and women already on our currency? Is this really why the democrats won the popular vote and President Trump became president only because of the Electoral College? Democrats were all voting for Harriet Tubman to be engraved on the 20 dollar bill?

      1. Carl Elfstrom's Avatar Carl Elfstrom

        I bet there wouldn't be a problem with putting Sammy Davis Jr.'s picture on a three dollar bill. They ought to try for something easier like that first. And I bet Buttigieg would make the best VP for President Biden. Just food for thought.

        1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

          Sammy Davis Jr gave the deep throat porn star's hubby a blow job. Read her book.

          1. deepfriedyankee's Avatar deepfriedyankee

            LOL, how is that even relevant in any conversation?????

          2. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            yank...even the thought of Sammy Davis Jr. being on money as Carl inferred is disgusting. Linda Lovelace would be a better person on money having overcome enormous struggles to escape from her previous life.

    3. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

      Actually, you really should learn about what defacing currency actually means. But then, Trumpistanis aren't generally known for their learning prowess......

      1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        I’m learning that we are finally getting back on our feet financially, with also the lowest unemployment figures in over 50 years. What are you learning Joe?



          Unemployment figures comparing now with 1969 are meaningless as those persons who have given up looking for jobs are not counted.

          Regarding economic growth, Obama beats Trump: Job growth has been remarkably consistent since the end of the recession in 2010. The 3.6 million jobs added in the 19 months since Trump took office are roughly comparable to the 3.9 million added in the previous 19 months under Obama. Likewise, unemployment has steadily declined. And wages have inched up at a slow but steady pace.

          Goods-producing employment has accelerated since Trump took office, even as job gains in the much larger service sector have slowed. That could be helpful to Republicans, since goods-producing jobs tend to be concentrated in redder, more rural parts of the country. It's important to remember, though, that goods-producing jobs make up a relatively small slice of the overall U.S. economy, accounting for less than 14 percent of the total workforce. By focusing on those jobs, the Trump administration is discounting the industries that employ 86 percent of American workers.

          GDP growth has bounced up and down and does not show a clear difference between Trump and Obama. Although Trump often boasts about the strong GDP showing between April and June 2018— when growth topped 4 percent — there were quarters during Obama's tenure when growth was even stronger. Forecasters disagree about whether Trump can deliver sustained, multiyear growth in the 3 percent range, as promised.

          So while the White House can certainly point to some yardsticks that indicate a meaningful growth on Trump's watch — small business sentiment and goods-producing job growth — broader measures of the overall economy continue to follow the steady, upward glide path that began under Obama.

          1. JASON D BENDER's Avatar JASON D BENDER

            PS: The above is something I plagiarized just prior to Nov 2018

          2. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            8 years of stagnation under zero-bama. As when Reagan took over the country from the peanut farmer, the country heaved a big sigh of relief and got down to business so too has it been with Trump. I know because I didn't just read about it, I lived it.

          3. JASON D BENDER's Avatar JASON D BENDER

            There was no stagflation under Obama. If things sucked for you,its because you suck... Not Barry O's fault you suck, blame yourself and your parents.

        2. Paul Barker's Avatar Paul Barker

          Hello lionheart. You mentioned the luddites I live near were the riots and the machine smashing went on around Halifax and the outskirts of Huddersfield John horsfall was a mill owner was shot dead by one of the luddites there was a group who were caught and hung in York outside the prison many years ago Phyllis Bentley wrote a book called inheritance and it covers. That period in Yorkshire history from about 1700 to 1968

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Good to hear from you Paul. I was born and raised in Derby. Big RAMS fan. I’ll be back there for three weeks in September.


  1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

    First, Harriet Tubman was NOT one of the "greatest" heroes in American history. She was one of the "great" heroes in American history among many and that includes Jackson. So, the post begins with a false statement. Second, defacing currency is against the law and it is a "black" church doing it for one reason only..because they want to throw skin color in the face of the nation. Third, changing history by eliminating iconic statues and images put up by our ancestors will doom the future to repeating the mistakes of the past. Removing such icons is no different than re-writing history. The move to replace Jackson with a black hero based on skin color and the opposition to not do it is tantamount to reverse-bigotry. Leave history alone.

    1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

      Wrong. Check your facts before commenting. (it’s far less embarrassing)

      Defacement of Currency Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. https://www.moneyfactory.gov/resources/lawsandregulations.html

      1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

        I'm aware of the code of federal regulations (CFR). The key word is "generally". ANY altered bill can be rejected by anyone.

        1. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

          The key word is NOT the word "generally." The key WORDS in the law are "...with intent to render item(s) unfit to be reissued..."

          And where you say "ANY altered bill can be rejected by anyone." is not true. Although individuals may refuse to accept an altered bill as change from a purchase, a bank or business cannot legally refuse an altered bill presented as payment so long as the bill is still mostly legible.

          1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Only for the purpose of disposal

    2. Debra's Avatar Debra

      You Sound like a real bigot

      1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

        No dear. I'm a realist.


    If you put tubman on the 20, it will only be worth $12.50!

    1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

      The 14th Amendment fixed that.

  1. Tony's Avatar Tony

    Really can't deal with this we have way bigger things to think about. At least. We do hear

    1. Joe Stutler's Avatar Joe Stutler

      So you're saying Trumpistanis can't walk and chew gum simultaneously? Gosh.....

      1. Thom's Avatar Thom

        Another person with TDS

  1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

    At least it’s not the face of Obama, or his “husband”. Hopefully, we’ll see the image of our wonderful President Trump on a bill soon, or better still, added to Mount Rushmore.



      If by 'bill' you mean bill of indictment, then yes, that is a distinct possibility ...

      (J/K... it won't for all the same reasons Ford pardoned Nixon.)

    2. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

      Dont forget to place your newly minted Jackson twenty prominently in your place of employment. You never know. Trump just might drop in one day and sign it for you. If he can work it into the schedule of events at the white collar prison he is in.

    3. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

      I agree with you Lionheart! Does that surprise you...are you worried now? President Trump been the best president I've ever seen and I've seen them all the way back to Carter and before. Its a shame there is so much hate for a man who has done so much good.

      1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

        Woohoo! Common ground indeed ?


        1. Sally J Altobello's Avatar Sally J Altobello

          Lionheart, I'm amazed and disgusted at your disrespect for Michelle Obama. What did she do to deserve thiis? I'm also amazed you're writing this vitriol on a Christian site.

          1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Who said this was a Christian site Sally? This blog covers all forms of spirituality/religions, and none at all. Often, discussions can wander away off topic, but it’s all good food for the soul.....whatever soul really is.

            Many politicians get disrespected, even subscribers to this blog.


          2. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Sally....I've seen a lot worse addressed to "Christians" on this site. To object to what Lion said in jest is to show your racial idealism. An idea that was first perpetrated by Hitler.

  1. ET's Avatar ET

    If organized religious leaders want to be political, then they should forego their congregations’ tax exempt status and begin supporting this secular government that provides us all with the framework needed for running our great (if flawed) country.

  1. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

    So, where can I go to get an H.T. stamp? I think changing the plan was a deliberate dispicable act of racism. A dog-whistle to jump on the Trump train and not look back. Think how happy all his uneducated white male voters will be holding in their very own racist little hands, proof their world is changing for the better. (Give me ---king break! .......how the hell do you commandeer public broadcasts, encouraging hate and violence, and not be responsible for the results......... Do you really think Trump believes his behaviours are innocent? He is a warped bastard just riding this pony for all he can get out of it. He did not even think he was going to win. Thank you mother---king Russia.

    1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

      the only hate here is you.

    2. G Dobson's Avatar G Dobson

      William: search engine "harriet tubman stamp for $20 bill"; you'll find multiple options. I've used a "In Reason We Trust" stamp on all my paper money backs for several years. Before I found that stamp, I've just black-markered out the "trust" line for the past 40 or so years.

      1. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

        Thank you Gail. My question was originally rhetorical but think I'll get one when my pocket change is right. Clearly, having Harriett Tubman officially on the twenty was stepping in the right direction. Just as dropping the plan is one or two steps back. Just can't quite get my head around all the things uneducated white males believe to be true and of value. ........the earth is flat, and humans are not overheating it. ........white people are special......dogs have always been with us since time began...and maybe one of the best; since no-one can be smarter than I am there's no way we ever put man or anything else on the moon. Ha, ha!! .......almost forgot "contrails"!..........methinks that many of Trumps voters temporaraly swapped their tinfoil hats for the MAGA ones.

    3. Rev Will's Avatar Rev Will

      Or could it be that it would cost BILLIONS to redesign and impliment printing of the new bills, collection and exchange and destruction of the old bills?

      1. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

        FYI - it does NOT cost billions to redesign and implement new currency.

        The most recent redesigns of American currency started in 2003 with the introduction of a new $20 bill, a new $50 bill in 2004, a new $10 note in 2006, a new $5 bill in 2008 and a new $100 bill in 2013. Those redesigns were made to include subtle background colors and a blue 3-D ribbon running through the center of the bill that make the bills more secure and difficult to counterfeit. The revamped $100 bill cost 12.5 cents per bill to produce — a 60% increase over the 7.8 cents it cost to print the older version of the bill. Collection and exchange of old bills is NOT done immediately, but rather is accomplished over the period of time it takes for bills with the previous design to wear out.

        The currency operating budget of the Federal Reserve Board for 2019 (which includes the cost of printing new bills) is $955.8 million.

  1. Dragon Priest's Avatar Dragon Priest

    Defacing currency is illegal. It would PISS ME OFF seeing it and would not help the movement to remake the $20 bill. That woman was good but it does not rise to the level of being on our money. I would not want Aunt Jemima on our $20 just as a political ploy. Trump did the right thing here. That move would put back black awareness in a very bad light. It is not racist it is what is right and what is not. Same goes for reparations for slavery, which is nothing more than just a ploy to get money from those that had NOTHING to do with it.

    1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

      Exactly. Apparently, the civil war wasn't payment enough for some of these lazy good-for-nothing leftists who think they are entitled to what they haven't earned.

    2. Rev Will's Avatar Rev Will

      Actually its not defacing currency. The Treasury department defines Defacing Currency as:

      Defacement of Currency

      Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.


      Larry Felix, former director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, says that much of the legality depends upon what kind of markings would render a bill “unfit for circulation.”

      “As long as the note can be processed and sorted and does not lead to premature destruction, it should not be considered defacement,” Felix said.

  1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

    I'm actually feeling a little happy that kimberly and lion heart were so unhappy all those years before Trump became president. I may have to ask nature to forgive me but I plan to relish this feeling for a little longer.

    1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

      I wasn't "happy" that zero-bama got elected. However, I never hated him like you hate Trump Mark. I endured. And, with President Trump in office, I was relieved. My happiness is not dependent on someone else like yours apparently is.

      1. Mark Hannon's Avatar Mark Hannon

        You are assuming I "hate" Trump.

        I was disappointed that the country would elect someone with so low of character. I am still disappointed that he is supported by people that should have learned his history by now. But I have known of him for many years before his role on "The Apprentice" and apparently many voters were impressed by this.

        President Trump's entire goal was to eradicate any influence that Obama may have been. Regardless of your "zero-bama" belief I witnessed very positive changes during his administration. As much as you may be irritated by this fact, the upper peninsula of Michigan has benefitted from health care laws and changes. And there was the beginning of a better understanding of cultures and people different from the incredible majority of the white population here. I'm gay so that helped me directly.

        Now I see that eroding when I shop, attend appointments, volunteer and even participate in my local church.

        Trump is finding out that being President of the United States is more difficult than he previously thought. He will continuously feed a third of the country with necrotic rhetoric so they will praise him as his staff and secretaries have. That he does easily.

        I expect that he is our era's Mule. I hope our species will come through this period evolved for the better as we did after WWII.

        1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

          I don't have to assume you hate the President. Its quite evident you do. Zero-bama was the most devisive and incompetent president I've ever seen in my 80 years. Eight years of nothingness but an attempt to portray the people of this nation as a bunch of racists. It was and is disgusting to see someone in office so corrupt as to undermine the majority and accuse them at every opportunity from an office of supposed service. So Don't try re-writing history.

          1. Rev Will's Avatar Rev Will

            8 years of nothingness mostly due to Republican partisan politics as they controled congress congress and refused to vote on or vote for ANY Democrats bills even going as far as to not allow them to be introduced at times not allowing debate or completely killing bills that would have turned the country around. Like the College Tuition assistance bill or the infrastructure bill that would have drastically helped states rebuild aging bridges and roads and put millions to work. Yep its the old blame the President because my party was in control game.

          2. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Republicans were right to not allow zero-bama to change this country. He wasn't trying to set the country on the right path. He was trying to destroy it

    2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      I wasn’t totally unhappy “at first” Mark, but when I saw how he was operating as the leader of our wonderful Nation, I saw what a fraud he was. To me, he spoke with a forked slick tongue. He was a smooth operator that conned many.

      As an ex Anglophile, President Trump reminds me very much of Sir Winston Churchill. He told it how it was, and his policies were brave to say the least, but he took the nation back to where it needed to be through the hardest of times.

      You may indeed relish my disappointment of Obama, as I enjoy relishing another 5 years of a man that forgoes his Presidential salary while helping to put this nation back to where it needs to be.


      1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

        Yes.....president Trump is doing what should have been done consistently. A true representative of the people.

  1. Paul Barker's Avatar Paul Barker

    I am British actually from Yorkshire some of you may not know we're that,is we have Elizabeth Fry on the reverse of our bank notes and Her Majesty the Queen on the face side also the duke of Wellington seems strange but we British are a strange lot ,I know about tubman and her work which she carried out with a prayer on her lips and I am sure at the end of the day a compromise will be reached their are many things I respect about America and one thing is your constitution and amendments and a dollar bill like our sterling says a lot about stability maybe it's not the right time to change the dollar bill but maybe over time the time maybe reached and a compromise reached your whole system of government is built on compromise


      @Paul Barker: Ello Guvnor!


    I think it would be very costly to print new $20 bills. We're talking new engravings and new dyes. I am not so sure Ms. Tubman would appreciate the cost of this effort just to have her photo used in commercial exchange. She seemed to be a better woman than to have her face jammed in the back pocket of so many wallets. I also wonder if she would appreciate her incredible history being used an an excuse to name call and belittle others. I think this brave little lady would have "stamped" her foot and said, "Behave."

  1. Belinda's Avatar Belinda

    There is more racism on this post that’s suppose to be of a Church than I have seen in a lot of places

    1. Rev Will's Avatar Rev Will


  1. Reverend Phillips's Avatar Reverend Phillips

    Rather than stir up a hornets nest. Why not leave Jackson, who despite modern day social morals, was an American hero, on the $20. Tubman was a great American as well, so why not give her or perhaps Frederick Douglas their own denomination. Maybe a new bill, like a $25 or a $75? Bashing Trump for this is petty. The church has a responsibility to create a peaceful world, not to divide and promote hate.

  1. E M Moriarty's Avatar E M Moriarty

    The Tubman stamp is certainly an improvement for Andrew Jackson’s likeness. His backers should be grateful not angry.

  1. Minister Cuello Rojo's Avatar Minister Cuello Rojo

    What next??? Snoop Dog on a Fiddy'??

    1. Debra's Avatar Debra

      There is no comparison between Harriet Tubman and Snoop Dog

      1. Minister Cuello Rojo's Avatar Minister Cuello Rojo

        I beg to differ...

        1. Minister Cuello Rojo's Avatar Minister Cuello Rojo

          Well Snopp was never a backup singer for Marvin Gaye but...

    2. William Waugh's Avatar William Waugh

      Why not a 420friendly celebrity? I know many people who live eh "under the radar" due to arcane drug laws. Cuddos to anyone in a position to wage resistance. Get ready 'cus thank God reason is beginning to prevail. Look for a retail outlet in your area soon! I for one am glad. Screw you Nixon!

  1. Bob Lemmon's Avatar Bob Lemmon

    I was born in the 1950's and am told that it was a time of racial intolerance. I grew up in 1960's and saw firsthand the racial, sexual and political intolerance. I thought our country was becoming a better place to live, a more tolerant and loving place. Sadly I listen to this hate garbed as politics and realize it's the 1950's all over again. Jesus wept. Where are your tears?

  1. Tom F's Avatar Tom F

    Churches need to butt out. Whatever happened to the division between Church and State? Wasn’t it the Church that made such a big deal over the division?

  1. Rev Will's Avatar Rev Will

    Ok well the $2 bill is still being printed so right off the bat the writer lost credibility. As a result of banking policies with businesses which have resulted in low production numbers due to lack of demand, two-dollar bills do not circulate as well as other denominations of U.S. currency. This comparative scarcity in circulation, coupled with a lack of public knowledge that the bill is still in production and circulation, has also inspired urban legends about its authenticity and value and has occasionally created problems for those trying to use the bill to make purchases.

  1. Sharon O'Connor's Avatar Sharon O'Connor

    I'm surprised at the tone and direction of this feed on the Universal Life website. The whole point of this congregation is support and understanding to people who don't find it elsewhere. I find the juvenile sarcastic remarks directed at minorities here, better suited to groups that push hate and discrimination on their websites (who are, by the way, minorities themselves in the USA).

  1. Bill Fox's Avatar Bill Fox

    I have no problem with a solid Republican like Harriet Tubman being on the $20 bill.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Right! Or even Donald Trump.


  1. Tim Graham's Avatar Tim Graham

    Simple as that"BUTT OUT"

  1. Gerald Pepper's Avatar Gerald Pepper

    There should be a way to accomplish Tubman on bill without defacing the currency. Im surprised there are so many racist comments on this Site. Not a place for that. On one topic, illegal immigration is not racist regardless of where the majority of people come from they are breaking our laws. Without laws and enforcement of them our society will deteriorate. Emotions should not determine if a law should be obeyed. This comment is not directed at the issues of health, welfare, economics and security of Americans but for a society that is based on laws and cannot excuse lawbreakers

  1. Adam's Avatar Adam

    I'm ashamed for you. A church that buys into identity politics is dangerous. Your mission should be to spread love and the good word, not propagate your slanted positions. Shame on you.

  1. Kodiak's Avatar Kodiak

    I almost agreed with some. Here's my take. You can't renege on a deal you didn't agree to. But the whole tone of the story (and many more here) is that of , if not hate then at the least, intolerance. Why respond in that fashion? I have always felt that if you don't like what someone is doing, you go to that person and you work it out. Was that even tried? You know, sit down with him and ask him to his face why he made the choice he is accused of? That can happen and comes off a lot more mature... But what do I know?

  1. Michael Grace's Avatar Michael Grace

    The 2 dollar bill has not been discontinued, a simple Google search takes you to https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/denominations.aspx where the FAQ has these.

    Why did the Treasury Department remove the $2 bill from circulation?

    The $2 bill has not been removed from circulation and is still a circulating denomination of United States paper currency. The Federal Reserve System does not, however, request the printing of that denomination as often as the others. The Series 2003 $2 bill was the last printed and bears the names of former Secretary of the Treasury John W. Snow and Treasurer Rosario Marin. As of April 30, 2007 there were $1,549,052,714 worth of $2 bills in circulation worldwide.

    The key for successfully circulating the $2 bill is for retailers to use them just like any other denomination in their daily operations. In addition, most commercial banks will readily supply their retail customers with these bills if their customers request them in sufficient volume to justify stocking them in their vaults. However, neither the Department of the Treasury nor the Federal Reserve System can force the distribution or use of any denomination of currency on banks, businesses or individuals.

    What denominations of currency are in circulation today? Will any new denominations be produced?

    The present denominations of our currency in production are $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100. The purpose of the United States currency system is to serve the needs of the public and these denominations meet that goal. Neither the Department of the Treasury nor the Federal Reserve System has any plans to change the denominations in use today.


    John Snow was Sec. of Treasury?!? Awesome!

    Hodor! Hodor!! Hodor!!!

    1. Gunnar's Avatar Gunnar



        Yep... I agree!

  1. stephen kennedy's Avatar stephen kennedy

    We Americans are often unjustifiably smug about our country. Much of this can be traced to teaching selective history in our schools. Students should be taught that a large part of the American experience was genocide and slavery. We are not as nice as we pretend to be.


      who give a shit about nice... The point is, we win... Not whether we say please and thank you !

  1. Reb TK's Avatar Reb TK

    It's amazing how much debate can ensue following one of this Administration's reactionary moves. The brain gets muddled or completely wobbles in disbelief. But the heart knows the way. These things are merely smoke screens... diversions meant to throw good people off track, breed conflict, and all the while, other, bigger, more dangerous things that are in movement go unnoticed. I'm all for the new $20 with Harriet Tubman. Andrew Jackson, for his part was one quoted as stating that before freeing one of his slaves, he would rather throw him in a barn and burn it down." Nice Fellow. He was no hero. He needs to go.

  1. Bill Robinson's Avatar Bill Robinson

    Thank you so much for this article! It details a disturbing controversy between the white nationalists (including the Oval Office Occupant) and folks who believe that we are all created equal and should be given equal recognition. By the way I have already ordered my Harriet Tubman stamp and, believe it or not, stamping $20 bills is not considered defacing the currency.

    1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

      Not true Bill. Try not to become so indoctrinated into believing all Republicans and Democrats are painted with the same brush. I believe, like many other Republicans, we are all created equal.



      It IS defacing the currency, though the defacement arguably may not rise to the level of a prosecutable federal offense...

  1. Pat Buzzars's Avatar Pat Buzzars

    As somebody with Native American heritage, I would prefer to see Harriet Tubman over Andrew Jackson. However, as a Minister, I believe Churches should stay out of politics

    1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

      Jackson was President of the United States. Tubman was not and was one among many who led slaves to freedom. She only led 300 out of millions. She left her entire family behind when she escaped slavery. Jackson was originator of the Democratic party. Jackson forced Native Americans to accept United States sovereignty. He was an advocate for peace in spite of his military background. Native Americans were advocates of war to maintain their sovereignty. They lost and paid the consequences. They would have lost anyway had they integrated into the growing population due to European diseases they had no immunity to. Their relocation not only stopped civil war but actually isolated them from disease and near extinction. Jackson saved an entire race. Tubman saved 300 people. There is no realistic comparison.

      1. Bills Spirit's Avatar Bills Spirit

        Tubman put her life at risk multiple times in order to free others (including her family) from the horrors of slavery. Jackson was personally, professionally, politically and legislatively pro-slavery.

        Based on the belief that people from less technologically advanced societies are the equivalent of animals; and as such can be captured, penned and kept as property, a justification for whipping, beating, raping, maiming, starving, overworking, and providing but fetid living conditions were exacted upon select human beings under the threat of brutal murder for them and/or their family members.

        In humanitarian terms: Tubman contrasts as an American Saint against Jackson's acceptance, promotion and participation in such a brutal ideology.

        1. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

          I have relatives that put their lives at risk, and some lost them, during the 1st and 2nd World Wars but their images are not on our currency.

          I don’t agree with the statement in your second paragraph, but the Christian god might, being as he advocated slavery, and was also happy to condone stoning, and yet we have the deistic name of “God” on our currency since the 1950’s.

          Weird isn’t it?


          1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Blame men for what men do to each other. Not God.

            8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

          2. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Nowhere in my first paragraph was I blaming your god Kim for the atrocities of man.

            If he was real I would blame him for his atrocities and perversions to mankind. Perhaps your god is where we get our perversions from.


          3. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Lion. that's circular logic. There is no "if" concerning the existence of God. There is only "if" when religion attempts a definition of God. And, it is men who perpetrate atrocities and perversions. Not God. For example....observing a theft isn't being a thief. Your atheism is getting lame the more you say.

          4. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Sorry if my words confuse you Kim. In your world a god exists and nothing will convince you otherwise. In my world, no god exists.

            You will say, but Lion, we live in the same world, but in reality, we don’t.

            You may, or may not, understand these words Kim.


          5. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Lion....you forget reality doesn't depend on either of us. What is is and it is not us looking out but God looking in. The bubble of what we know is infinitesimal to reality. Do you not realize intuitively that there exists a reality we cannot perceive? Even you must acknowledge that and when you do you cannot then dismiss God simply because there is no evidence to do so.

          6. Lionheart's Avatar Lionheart

            Kim....you forget, or just plain don’t want to know, that the reality is you and I exist, which can be demonstrated, which appears to be well beyond the capabilities of not only your mythical god, but everyone else’s as well.

            I can dismiss the existence of your mythical god, and I do.


          7. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

            Lion....try to remember the eternity prior to your birth. Or try to sense the infinite future. Reality has nothing to do with the minor blip in infinity we appear to be aware of. All that proves is that such awareness is an anomaly. It does not prove reality.

  1. kimberly's Avatar kimberly

    Jackson had two bullets in him and barely recovered. He put his life on the line literally. Not figuratively. This nation was better for him. It had nothing to do with race. Far two often people today see only skin color. Jackson was instrumental in defeating the British in the war of 1812. He was elected president by popular vote and he fundamentally changed the politics of the United States which wouldn't be the USA today without him. The fact that he owned slaves is irrelevant. Most prosperous people did in those days. We need to read history without ideology but with objectivity to the reality of what actually occurred. Make no mistake.....No individual did more for us today than men like Andrew Jackson.

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