Christian Farmer Faces Backlash Over Anti-Pride Post

Daniel-David

Who are you to judge other people’s values, other people’s lifestyle?

I know there’s something in the NT about not casting the first sone, loving our neighbor, seeking justice and going to a private place and pray. Who is your neighbor?

John D. Partin

You aren't an adult or taking responsibility for yourself by mooing and ambling along with the worldly herd and letting it do your "thinking" for you, instead of actually thinking for yourself, which means going against the world, as the Saints did and are doing.

Satan's existence is in accord with reason and logic because it is giving man just way too much credit to say that he alone is coming up with all of the genocides, wars, organized crime families, drug addiction, sex trafficking, rioting at the Capitol on January 6 and elsewhere, rape, child molestation, brutality, and all other rottennesses in the world without his being egged on to them by something outside of himself.

Self-preservation can't be the highest human instinct and something inside of people that is higher than their highest instinct making them commit suicide, since that is contradictory and illogical, but only something outside of these people and their highest instinct and above it could be leading these people into going against themselves.

The presence of poison in the body can be known by its effects. The presence of spiritual evils in the world can also be known by their effects. Radiation can't be seen with our eyes, either, but its effects can be seen and nobody is saying that "human beings are really responsible themselves for what radiation has clearly done".

So, it is equally unreasonable to say that "human beings are really responsible for what spiritual realities have done", since reality isn't limited to what it is detectable by our physical senses.

There are many people that you can see or could, if they were around you, who care nothing about what you think and aren't "garden variety sociopaths" because of not caring what you think. So, something that you can't see not caring about what you think wouldn't make it a garden variety sociopath, either, but just intent on his work and himself, the same as these other people.

Take your own advice and read what you write and try actually understanding it, for a change, and you might be able to see the foolishness of your views, too, child. Probably not, but you might.

John D. Partin

You must be living in your mother's basement yourself to come up with that ridiculous comment and merely judging me and other people by yourself because you can't answer my points against your post. Stick with replying to the points in my post against your position or admit that you can't and stop your childish nonsense here!!

John D. Partin

Some childish bet doesn't prove anything, except further confirm and verify your immaturity, unreliability, and evasiveness because you can't respond intelligently to points and questions in a post. Grow the Hell up or go play with the other children, back in your mother's basement, if you can't, and leave the adults here unbothered by your nonsense!!!

John D. Partin

You aren't a psychiatrist or psychologist to be able to know who is "frightened and small" or "PSYCHOTIC" or what they do "while they are all that" and so your characterizations and libels of Christians are worthless and you need to stick with practicing your very amateurish, defamatory, and propagandist "psychiatry" just on yourself and get yourself figured out first before you try to define anyone else.

What people laugh off is no sign of its actually being wrong or ridiculous, since civil rights and black and other minorities' being equal to white people and deserving of their rights was and is still laughed at by white racists, and so on for many other matters.

From your own point of view, of being pro-LGBTQ, they and their rights and equality to straight people have been laughed at by many straight people down through the centuries and in recent times. So, if Hell is wrong because people have laughed at it, by the same standard, gay rights and civil rights are "wrong" because many people have laughed at them, too, as much as they have laughed at Hell.

Why don't you ever think of these obvious objections to your points and reasons why they are wrong before you present them and save yourself the trouble? It's because you can't think outside of the box of your indoctrination and propaganda. That is also why you will always lose in arguments with me because I do think outside of the box and see your objections before you see them and the points and reasons against them.

As I told you before, Satan doesn't care at all if you laugh at him or Hell, so long as you keep doing what he tells you to do, and believing what he wants you to believe, and not believing or listening to what he doesn't want you to, and staying on the broad road that leads to him, and then he will have eternity to laugh at you and your misery and have the last laugh!!

He works better with people who don't believe that he exists and who laugh at him because they aren't on their guard against him. So, go on doubting and laughing at him, and playing right into his hands!!

We settled all of this already that atheists and non-Christians "think" that you are "the ultimate and definitive human beings" and "everyone needs to just shut up and do what you tell them to do", and merely transfer that on to Christians to take the focus off yourselves, and so let's not keep covering the same old ground over and over again, endlessly, shall we? What do you say?

If you actually knew the dictionary definition of psychosis, you wouldn't be bringing that up with me because all that is lacking is your name and picture in the dictionary or encyclopedia under "psychosis" for it to be even more obviously about you!! Quit while you're behind!!

John D. Partin

I'm not denying science (except your pseudoscience), but actually affirming true science of men and women being the sexes that they were born as and not just whatever sex they want to say that they are and the true science of the universe's needing a Creator and maintainer, and not just coming up with and maintaining itself, which is unscientific.

I don't worship Satan, but only God, and yet I do know Satan's power over you and your ilk, which your denials don't disprove, and verify all the more, since denying the truth is what you do and so more evidence for the prosecution.

Whenever you want your pseudoscience refuted still more, let me know and I'll be very happy to do that for you, and I also don't care how much that sticks in your craw!!

John D. Partin

Well, as usual, you have mischaracterized my post to make it mean whatever you want it to mean and "justify" yourself and "demean" the post and have been reading some other posts than mine if you actually think that I have only been talking about Satan, and not God primarily to you.

Deceive yourself however you like, as I won't send a long reply to all of your rigmarole and game playing here, just to have it not go through, as my post just now didn't go through to ULC, and that is too much trouble to go through again, only to have you deliberately misconstrue and misinterpret it again.

Talking with you about your problem of being influenced by Satan is no more obsessive or out of line than talking with an alcoholic about his or her alcoholism or a doctor's dealing exclusively and specifically with his patient's cancer or other medical problem to try to get rid of it, as that is what is called for.

John D. Partin

You are certainly far more of a PR person and spokesman for Satan than what you try to transfer, once again, on to me of your own actual behavior and "thinking", since actions speak louder than words. Nice try at transferring, but it doesn't fly.

Listen to yourself for a change and wise up to the truth about yourself. Satan can't do everything and isn't everywhere, but doesn't need to do everything or be everywhere with someone, such as yourself, who gives him all the power that he needs over you.

You have, quite obviously, been reading some other posts than mine to you, if you "think" that I have been only talking about Satan, and not far more about God, and that is just your sad attempt to mischaracterize them to suit yourself and make them say whatever you want them to say, which won't fly, either.

The rest of your post is just more of that mischaracterization and game playing, which I won't waste my time in trying to refute such obvious nonsense, as you really know it to be, too.

What is "crystal clear" to you and what I'm actually saying and doing are, very obviously, two entirely different things, which you know as well as I do. Talking with you about your core issue of domination by Satan in your "thinking" is no more "obsessive" or "excessive" than talking to an alcoholic about his or her alcoholism or a doctor's dealing exclusively and specifically with his patient's cancer or other medical problem to try to get rid of it, which is merely what is called for.

John D. Partin

How does gay marriage affect or invalidate straight marriage? For the same reason that counterfeit money is an attempt to invalidate or impinge upon legal actual money and that is why we don't legally allow it in this society and world and prosecute those who try to pass it.

We don't need counterfeit money, fraudulent art, fraudulent checks, forged signatures, charlatans, quack medicine, or any other impostures, anymore than we need gay marriages, which all try to impose on and substitute for the real thing and invalidate it.

Whenever just anything that anyone wants to call "marriage" (between two men or two women, between people and their pets or farm animals, between adults and children, between people and sex dolls, between people and corpses or any other sick thing that they can come up with) is considered a "marriage", then marriage becomes a meaningless term.

Why are you bigoted against all of these people listed above and their ilk (if you are and don't approve of them, too!), the same as you accuse me of being "bigoted against gay people", thereby proving that even you don't believe that absolutely anything actually constitutes a real marriage?

Marriage is between a man and a woman because anything beyond that is just making up the definition of marriage to suit yourself and opens the door to all of these other perversions, whose advocates will and do want their "full civil rights and equality", too.

You don't approve of these other counterfeits, even though you aren't personally involved with or affected by any of them, because they do affect you and society, generally. For that same reason, I don't approve of gay marriage, even if it doesn't affect me personally, because it brings down society and makes marriage a meaningless term when it accepts that as "marriage".

Christians participated in fighting against slavery and for full civil rights for black people and were, often, killed and beaten up for their actions and advocacy. Abolitionism and the civil rights movement haven't at all been exclusively or even primarily liberal atheistic endeavors, as is shown by Martin Luther King, Jr. and The Southern Christian Leadership Conference and many other Christian groups and individuals.

Black people, the same as all other people, are right about some things and wrong about some other things. Critical race theory is one of those things that many black and other people are wrong about. Nobody gets it right all of the time or is bright always from morning to night. Black lives do matter, as all lives matter, but the group that has taken that name hides behind it and has a Communist agenda.

The world is far more complicated than you think, too, and can't be taken at face value. If you really can't figure out Marxism and the need for gun control, of course, I will try to help you with that, little boy.

John D. Partin

Nice way of sidestepping and evading my points about gay marriage because you can't answer them and going straight as a smoke screen to your obsession and fixation on Fox News. Well, you can't really do anything else.

"Thinking" that anyone who disagrees with and contradicts you "has to be indoctrinated by Fox News" is itself indoctrination by and agreeing with Fox News because they also "think" that anyone who disagrees with and contradicts them "has to be indoctrinated by the left". So, your reproducing their line of "thinking", in reverse, here proves that it is you who is indoctrinated by Fox News (or proves it as much as your charge that anything that I say that "sounds like something Fox News would say" "proves" that I'm "indoctrinated by them").

It's part of this "the world is much more complicated than you think it is" that the world isn't just divided into those who agree with you and those who are indoctrinated by Fox News. There are many thousands or millions of degrees of difference between those two positions and shades of grey in there.

Fox News, despite their best efforts not to, might, occasionally, say something intelligent, the same as the stupid Nazis were able to figure out "Strength Through Joy" (that joyful people are naturally stronger people, though they applied it to a totally detestable objective and philosophy), and that would be Fox News agreeing with me, not me agreeing with them.

So, should I renounce common sense thinking because the idiots at Fox News were able to figure it out, too? You aren't more anti-Fox News than I am, calling them Fascistic Outrageous Xenophobes, but I don't, as you do, accuse anyone who disagrees with and contradicts me of being "indoctrinated by Fox News", unless they prove it, as in your case.

"I think we all know who the small person is" is also the kind of thing that Fox News anchors and reporters say about anyone who disagrees with them, which is more evidence of your indoctrination by Fox News. Watch MSNBC, as I do, and stop watching Fox, which I never do, because you, very clearly, can't do so without its brainwashing you.

Back to my points against gay marriage, what part of something like counterfeiting, fraudulent check passing, and all other impostures affecting the larger society, even if you aren't personally affected by them, and right and wrong being bigger matters than just what affects you, and gay marriage being wrong because of that didn't you understand?

The world is bigger than just you and other Fox News drones like you.

John D. Partin

Marriage has always been between men and women and has only very recently been interpreted as being between any two consenting adults, to compromise it with political correctness and social pressure to include gay people and been legalized under that same pressure.

If we are going to say that just anything that is made legal or gone along with in society is right, then we also have to say that the Nuremberg laws against Jews in Nazi Germany and that the lynchings of black people and burnings of black churches and discrimination against black people at lunch counters only for white people and in separate restrooms and in housing and all the rest in the South before were also "right" because that principle works indifferently not only for what you like and want, but also for what many people don't like or want.

Man can make whatever laws he wants or say that whatever he likes is "right" in order to go along with popular ideas and current propaganda about what is "right" and put himself above God, but new and "improved" definitions of "marriage" to go along with all of that don't actually overrule thousands of years of human practice and tradition and understanding of marriage or God's very evident design in the complementarity of men and women for each other, except in many people's self-delusion and self-centeredness.

Gay "marriage" offers itself as a value to society and is about gaining legal rights and coverage under medical insurance and estate planning and inheritance, since if it were truly just about love, gay people could just live together without bothering about marriage, the same as even many straight people who love each other do.

Civil unions and partnerships weren't good enough for those purposes and for making gay people respectable and acceptable and so they pressed on towards getting gay "marriage" legalized and accepted.

Since gay "marriage", then, is about value and money, that makes it the same as counterfeit money, which is presented as a valuable thing to society, too, and is about making money, and the same as fraudulent checks, art forgeries, and all other impostures, which are also just about money and value.

As for my argument's "being weak and based upon fallacies", that is also interpreted to suit certain people, which isn't the same thing at all as its actually being weak or based upon fallacies.

Arguments against Nazism to Nazis: "weak and based on fallacies". Arguments against the Klan to Klansmen: "weak and fallacious". Arguments against Communism to Communists: "weak and fallacious". Arguments against serial killing to serial killers: "weak and fallacious", and so on. So, we just have to consider the source of the accusation and dismiss it accordingly.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

Let's see, should I believe rationality and science, or should I believe bigoted homophobic tradition?

Hmmm. Tough choice.

https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

You talk a lot JDP, but you're only fooling yourself.

Nature magazine is not a media or 'News' site, it is a prestigious science journal established in 1869. They published this report, including the over 20 peer reviewed references.

But you don't talk about that. Instead, you lecture everyone about 'evidence' and how people 'believe what they want to believe'.

Irony, hypocrisy, ignorance - the Christian trifecta.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

But JDP, I'm the one who presented evidence, who presented the actual science.

You are the one who denied it. You are literally a science denier.

And yes, I've seen your schtick before, so this is the part where you say "No, YOU are the science denier!".

But I have denied no science. You have. You do - and remember, other people have eyes. They can read. They can see.

Thanks for playing.

John D. Partin

Since you are incapable of seeing your own indoctrination to the practices, at least, and reverse "thinking" of Fox News, and listening to your Master's voice, you are even less capable of being able to see my defense as "I'm rubber and you're glue" or any other childish evaluation of it or anything else about my or anyone else's statements.

And since you can't even correctly assess my statements in this blog, there is even less reason to believe that you have correctly assessed the contents of an entire book, to be able to say that it is "the source of everything you think".

First, master correctly assessing my statements here, which you haven't done and, obviously, are incapable of doing, and then take on correctly assessing the contents of a book, and proceed in an orderly manner. Don't keep biting off more than you can chew or digest properly.

John D. Partin

Any honest accusations against LGBTQ people are going to be dismissed by you and your ilk as "imaginary" because you are a very biased reviewer of them and a homophilic and transophilic bigot.

That there are "priests" who aren't living up to their calling as priests and are molesting boys and girls, I already know without needing to look at any internet citations of it and belabor the obvious, but Christianity can't be reasonably blamed or dismissed for the actions of those who aren't even following Christ.

Lionheart

He’s lost, Rev. Hunt. You’re not on your own. There’s really no hope for him. We can but hope.

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John D. Partin

"Sad, strange little man and you have my pity" is also just another interpretation on your part of myself, and especially self-deceitful and delusional for you, of all people, to say, since supposedly religious or "Christian" people who approve of homosexuality are known by everyone outside of your illogical and self-deluded group as actually sad and strange little people and to be pitied.

John D. Partin

"Dr." Zerpersande is, quite obviously, having very serious difficulties in distinguishing between atheistic or non-Christian whack jobs and "whack jobs", according to him, in Christianity, and so gets easily confused when asked about his encounters with atheist and non-Christian whack jobs and still "thinks" that he is being asked about Christian "whack jobs".

Well, his kind of person slips into these discussions every now and then, and we just have to make allowances for his limited comprehension and not make too great demands on something like him and let him go on in his lack of understanding. He is doing the best that he can and they are so cute at his age.

No doubt, we will step into him again, which he so childishly tries to say about me and will just pat him on the head and send him on his way off to bed. Until then, we will dismiss him and wipe him off the bottoms of our shoes!!

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

Your wife sounds completely adorable. Funny how our partners are so often more than we deserve. Don't you think?

I have to say though, your story left me somewhat confused. I asked if you thought what you think defines the universe, and you replied that you know what you see is real.

Okay - so you DO think what you think defines the universe - or at least your perception of it, and therefore your understanding of it as well. Otherwise, why try to impose it on everyone else?

That's funny, because I recall you saying you once thought of yourself as a Reiki master. You were SURE you felt and manipulated 'energies' and such. Then you had a change of heart, and now you're SURE you know what's "real".

That's not uncommon. Also not uncommon is that though you had a perceptual change of heart, what does not change is an absolutist mindset. Sure, it turned out you were wrong before, but now you KNOW what is real! Alert the media! Everybody must agree!

Now here is where I am going to break the 4th wall and ask you to go with it. You see, I look around me, and I see the universe seems to LOVE diversity - diversity of form, diversity of experience, diversity of THOUGHT.

You see, the purest form of absolutism is uniformity of thought, because it seems some people can never relax until everybody agrees with what they think - and while you might think I must therefore never disagree with you, let me just point out that while I absolutely support individuality, that in turn means I must speak up whenever somebody makes a horses rear out of themselves by belittling everybody else for their individuality.

Also, you have no idea what I've seen.

Thank you for your answer LH.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

We actually agree on many things LH, but that there is only one way to see the universe isn't one, nor do we agree on what ego is at all. "My ego is dissolved" is exactly the kind of thing the ego tells itself when it wants to justify something VERY egotistical.

We do seem to share one physical universe through which we all physically interact, but I look around me and it seems nobody lives in the same universe at all. We are all individuals, you see, and individuality gives perspective. Perspective gives context, and context gives meaning. Different individuals, different meanings, and I certainly see that everywhere! Without our individuality, without the different meaning we all bring to this world, there would be no need for discussions such as this, because we would all think identically. But I look around me and I see that's not how it works - not at all! Even you and I are vastly different - or at least I appreciate the differences. Do you honestly not see them? Is the universe truly black and white to you?

Science is certainly a wonderful thing - I worked in technical careers most of my life. Science certainly brings many great benefits - but to concentrate on straight physicality to give meaning is like appreciating the Mona Lisa by strictly studying its canvas and its paint. There are things to learn by doing that - but the art is completely missed!

So while your reliance on "reason and logic" are a good start, quite honestly in your use of them you appear to have simply replaced one bible for another, as here you are again testifying and spreading the 'gospel', as it were. For some people, proselytizing can be a very hard habit to break. This actually reminds me of another person who relied heavily on logic and reason. See if you can pick out the similarities.

~Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) invented the "Doctrine of Papal infallibility". He wrote, "Divine revelation is perfect and, therefore, it is not subject to continual and indefinite progress in order to correspond with progress of human reason... No man is free to embrace and profess that religion which he believes to be true, guided by the light of reason... The Roman Pontiff cannot and ought not to reconcile himself or agree with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.~

What a great Fox News guest he would have made! There you have it, all quite logical, critically reasoned because he said so and he knows it to be true! How can you argue with that?? He humbly offers these thoughts for others to evaluate - often by force, which these days seems to be making a comeback.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

I like talking with you LH. We really do think alike in many ways.

"Show the Mona Lisa to an animal species lower than ourselves and they wouldn’t have the depth of appreciation as we do, and they’d possibly just walk all over it. Such is the nature of the animal kingdom."

This is exactly my point. A hammer sees every problem as a nail. How do you imagine a human sees things? Only as they really are?

I remember seeing a bumper sticker years ago that really struck me. It said, "Don't believe everything you think." Think about that. Do you believe everything you think LH?

You know a human brain, really, is just a few pounds of neural jelly in a meat suit. Wouldn't it be remarkable if we really were the 'highest animal' in this incomprehensibly vast universe, who looked around ourselves and everything was perceived just as it actually is, and we missed nothing?

Remarkable indeed.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

And that is your true God LH, for which you are constantly proselytizing and condemning.

Authority. Comforting, known, manageable authority.

Let me tell you a short story. One day, many years ago, I was driving slowly through a residential neighborhood when a cat appeared running into the roadway. Why the cat was running I don't know, but it seemed to be very scared of something, as if it was being chased.

There was a car moving next to me. I watched as the cat also saw the car, changed direction slightly, and dove full speed under the front wheel of the car. I watched as the cat was run over, tumbled a bit, then picked back up, ran out of the street and leaped over a fence and was gone. The lady in the car and I looked at each other and kept driving. "Did that even happen?" We seemed to say to each other through the glass.

The point of the story is this: I realized, after watching this, that animals do not understand that wheels roll. There it is, plain as day - but while something in our minds comprehends this simple mechanical phenomenon, that cat seemed to earnestly believe that safety lay under that wheel, that perhaps it could hide there or something. We may never know just what the cat thought - it probably didn't last long after that.

So, mechanical comprehension is a human capability. In animals it is a superpower, occasionally demonstrated on a rudimentary level, but largely missing.

Humans, too, make many assumptions about many things. Do you think if I endeavored to explain to that cat that wheels roll, that it would then understand? I'm thinking that's not entirely how it works, that there must be some sort of evolutionary 'mechanical comprehension circuit' in human brains that we utilize to comprehend mechanical things. Lacking that, it becomes invisible. How then, to convince the cat?

You just told me that you believe that if you can't see something, then it doesn't exist, just as the cat thinks. You just told me that what you think defines the universe.

Repeat after me LH: "The universe is bigger than me." Repeat it several times.

Beyond the obvious, what this says is that there are probably things in the universe that you don't know, that you might even find incomprehensible, that might even be invisible to you. The universe, after all, is bigger than us, and any of our ideas of it. I don't know much, but I think that's a pretty safe bet.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

Being as my universe doesn't stop at the end of my perception, I will share this observation:

I don't know. Anything is possible - after all, we're here.

Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson

Perhaps - but that just multiplies the questions.

Lionheart

I disagree of course 🤭

We now all know that Adam Schiff made up a lot of lies, and it’s looking very likely that the Hunter Biden crimes are being treated very differently by the DOJ than what they would be if us lower serfs of the land committed the same crimes. You won’t agree of course because you only are possibly reading a news outlet that only wants to print what it wants others to know.

Gone are the days when the news media remained impartial in its political views. CNN clearly favors the Democrat party, and FOX favors the Republican Party. As a result, CNN is clearly struggling, and will possibly be sold very soon to bolster its readership that it continues to lose.

I suspect that President Biden will eventually have impeachment proceedings, but you won’t read that on CNN, or other left leaning new outlets. They won’t want you to know. They’ll keep you in the dark as long as possible, as many already have been.

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Lionheart

Sure thing. Here’s a book called:

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Her book explains:

Which political party gave rise to the Ku Klux Klan?

Which political party opposed extending the vote to women?

Which political party attempted to filibuster and kill the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Which political party in 2007 tapped as President Pro Tempore of the Senate a former Klansman?

(Hint: It wasn't the Republicans.)

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How the Democratic Party erased its racist past and created an illusion of inclusion on Civil Rights.

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Lionheart

I need only to look at Democrat run cities and their ineffective ways of dealing with wanton crime, homelessness, and illegal immigration to sway me away from their policies.

I thought President Trump struggled as President, but that’s nothing compared to the fool we have now leading the nation. How utterly embarrassing!

Pence wasn’t the best VP, but compared the the laughing hyena that we have as VP, what a bumbling idiot she is 🤭

BLM? Who benefitted? Oh yes, the organizers did, by the millions of dollars. They’re laughing all the way to the bank.

CRT? Ask those that are looting stores what they think?

Reparations? If anyone needs reparations it’s Native Americans, and our own homeless war vets first. But as Bill Burr says….”I could be wrong, I dunno”🤷🏼

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Lionheart

“My goodness LH - I no longer need to watch Fox News. I can just talk to you and get the rundown.”

Anytime! 🤗

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