Do God and Government mix? El Dorado County in California says yes, and they've passed a proclamation to prove it.
El Dorado County just declared July “American Christian Heritage Month,” prompting outrage from residents and secular activists who say the declaration is a blatant Constitutional violation.
Can a county government seriously claim an entire month for Christian heritage?
July is for Jesus
In a vote of 4-1, the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors passed the controversial proclamation on July 18.
“Be it proclaimed,” the proclamation reads, “that the month of July each year is designated as ‘American Christian Heritage Month,’ to recognize the impact of religious beliefs on America’s history.”
The proclamation quotes everyone and everything from Presidents George Washington and John F. Kennedy to an inscription on the Liberty Bell in justification for declaring July for the Christians.
“Religious faith was important in American life during the periods of discovery, exploration, colonization, and growth,” it reads, “but has also been incorporated into all three branches of the American Federal Government from their very beginning.”
“There have been attempts to change and distort our history,” the proclamation says. “Be it further proclaimed that any effort to remove, obscure, or purposely omit such history from our nation’s public buildings and educational resources be rejected in the strongest manner.”
You can read the whole proclamation here:
Not only have they retroactively proclaimed this last July as “American Christian Heritage Month,” but also every July from here on out.
By quoting influential figures and moments from America’s past, the proclamation clearly wants to reinforce a version of American history that is explicitly Christian. But secular activists have already not only challenged the proclamation’s legality… but also challenged its factuality.
Secular Activists Step In
It should come as no surprise that the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRM), one of the nation’s most prominent religious watchdog groups, sent El Dorado County a strongly worded letter demanding they rescind the proclamation, demanding that July get demoted from a month celebrating America’s Christian heritage back down to just a run-of-the-mill, regular summer month.
This proclamation is a clear breach of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” it reads.
“By issuing this proclamation advancing Christian nationalism and the debunked myth that we are a Christian nation, El Dorado County is ironically violating the country's true heritage of religious liberty based on secular government.”
Interestingly, the FFRF also goes out of its way to try to bust some myths El Dorado County they say El Dorado County is promoting. They say that much of their religious history is anything but, arguing that President Washington adding “so help me, God” to the oath of office is lacking in evidence, and that President Kennedy’s quote is taken out of context.
Ultimately, however, their grudge is that the proclamation is exclusionary. They say that some 31% of El Dorado County is made up of other faith groups, or those of no faith at all. To exclude those groups is simply “rude, ignorant, and unwelcoming.”
What do you think? Is the county simply celebrating America’s heritage, as they say, or was this a sinister attempt to promote Christianity above all other faiths?
135 comments
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding.” Thomas Jefferson
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Daniel Gray
And yet BOTH of them were Christian according to their papers and Jefferson actually led sunday school worship services in the WH.
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Alun Lloyd Palmer
I seem to recall that Jefferson had prepared a special version of the Bible with only selected parts of the New Testament included, and none of the OT. I think it's reasonable to suppose that his beliefs only extended as far as what was in his own version of the Bible. That's a fairly unique position, no matter where you stand.
As for me, I believe Jesus existed, but that only limited parts of what is said in the Bible correspond to reality. I'm not sure how much of that corresponds to the Jefferson Bible, as I haven't read it.
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Daniel Gray
he did, but he also claimed he was a christian and led a bible study in what was called the White House
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Robert Martin Darling
Please give a citation as to his claim of being a Christian. You just claiming it does not make it so. I have the Jefferson Bible and there is none of the hate and perversion BS in it. It's way better than the NT and almost as good as the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.
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Daniel Gray
Oh so the link I posted that clearly says he is a christian which means it came directly from him, is now not good enough for you? Or the records where Jefferson lead bible studies in what is now known as the Rotunda and actually taught sunday school there as well is still not good enough for you? Ok how about from his own papers at Monticello
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/jeffersons-religious-beliefs/
or the letter from Jefferson to Rush in which he says the same thing that he is a christian https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-40-02-0178-0001
and here is where Jefferson lead religious studies and bible studies in the national rotunda https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html
that good enough for you or do you want more?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
When someone asks for reference it means they are to darn lazy to do the research themselves. I don't bother fulfilling their requests. I ignore them.
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Daniel Gray
too bad you speak the truth. And thats why I give the links just to watch them panic
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
That quote from one of Jefferson’s letters…. exactly WHAT makes you think he was a xtian? He’s comparing xtian beliefs to a Roman mythological deity.
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Daniel Gray
His letter to Benjamin Rush in which he stated "I am a Christian, in the only sense in which I wished any one to be; sincerely attached to these doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to myself every human excellence, & I never claimed any other.” You can read his exact claim on being a Christian in the "The Jefferson Bible: A Biography” (Princeton) instead of listening to the rewrote crap from people trying to make him out to be anything other. https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-40-02-0178-0001
So I give my link to prove what I say and you give what? Oh thats right...nothing
So I will put the same thing right back at you. What makes you think he wasnt?
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Robert Martin Darling
That was his way of saying he would prefer that true Christians actually followed Christs teachings. I'm betting you don't.
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Amber Fry
They were Deists, not necessarily Christian specific. They made it very clear people can believe what they wish and that should be protected. However the government should not mix with religion or we will find ourselves right back to where we were when when this country demanded independence from England in the first place.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Amber but out of all the founding fathers you only had TWO that claimed to be deists, the rest of them according to their own papers clearly show they were christian or a form thereof.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
It seems no one knows anything about our founding and the role of religion. The role of religion is to keep in check those in govt to follow morals and ethics. When they step outside those the Church criticizes. And the Comlunists and Socialists and RINOS follow their own agenda which is definitely not the Constitution or our Founding Fathers. They all need to be kicked out. The 4 vegetables in the Senate need to be kicked out and the several vegetables in the House need to go. We need age limits and rotational term limits.
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Daniel Gray
yes they do, we go by what they said about themselves in their papers.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
And I can find quotes from those very same individuals who contradict their own statements depending on who they're responding to in personal letters. Great Men who were still politicians and political philosophers who would change their thinking for the moment. Our founding g goes further back then to the Founders of Our Constitutional Republic. It goes back to the very first colonies founded. They were truly Christian communities. To deny that we are a Christian action as Obama did to side with the world's Muslims is denying much of our history just as he denies his white heritage a.d embraces his black heritage . He really embraces neither of them. He's a sick Communist. He really truly has no idea what he or his husband Mike believes in.
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Rev “D”
Aww poor liddle christians so ignorant of this country’s founding history. Lets make August Islam month, September Jewish, and so on. When christians and their faith leaders, along with their elected politicians, actually start living their faith daily, they won’t need a month proclaimed. For when its celebrated by works daily, all will know then.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
so your saying the only months celebrated should be for things like our troops, not the sexually deviant?
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ServantOfJudgement
I wonder why we have so many months for other groups. Would your statement apply to them also? Homosexual month, I think there are a couple months for those guys. Are homosexuals not homosexual enough? They need a few months to remind them they're gay? Black month, I guess if they were black every day they don't need a month? Like you said right?
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Michael Hunt
We have months for groups who were historically oppressed and discriminated against to celebrate their ability to live without that oppression and discrimination. American Christians have long been the discriminators, not the discriminated.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
you were misled, American Christians are the only group one can legally hate in America.
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John C. Myers
Right on, a month is not enough but it’s a good start. Will schools and government buildings raise a special flag as well? I hope so
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ServantOfJudgement
John,
The school my kids go to still pledge allegiance to the USA and are partners with a local church for proper grounding. They'll raise no such flag in the foreseeable future. There still hope for this country in our children.
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Robert Martin Darling
You do, of course mean Atheists. Christians are mostly self hating and hypocritical whiners. Atheists, on the other hand are hated and feared by almost all myth believers.
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Daniel Gray
Atheist are a religion according to the Supreme Court. Just like humanism is. SO nnow you are going to say you agree with raising a religious flag over a school since you have repeatedly in the past claimed that the myth of Separation of church and state is real even though there is no mention of same in the Constitution and the first mention of it was in a letter a good FIFTEEN YEARS AFTER the Constitution was ratified and made the supreme law of the land?
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ServantOfJudgement
Robert, I know the atheist pol pot killed about 2 million of his own citizens and the Chinese atheist Mao Zedong killed about 65 million+ millions, those atheists are still at it ya know. Your right, people are afraid of atheists, especially once they get the keys to the country. For some reason they love to kill their own people. How many Russians did the atheist Stalin kill, I keep losing track, 20 million? That's just last century. Atheists just don't like to lay the hatchet down once they start chopping do they?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You're absolutely right SOJ, one doesn't have to be religious to be murderous - but it sure doesn't hurt either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
If you think the other groups don't need a month, it's hypocritical to claim the Christians need one.
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Lionheart
Sadly, those who gave their lives for our freedom, only get one day 🤷🏼
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
They've profoundly revealed they're a bunch of clowns.
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ServantOfJudgement
By clows Keith, I assume you mean the drag racers, right?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Yes.
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Daniel Gray
Actually "Rev" D its YOU who are ignorant of our founding fathers. If you had bothered to read some of their papers where they admit to being christian (all but 2 anyway) then you would be embarrassed to say such ignorant things.
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Brien
Government by the people, for the people. That should sound familiar. If you don't like what is happening, take those reps out of office. If they are appointed , then take their boss out of office. That is the system we live by.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
Humankind (AKA, sapiens) goes through three stages of religious silliness.
The first stage, the theological— in which make-believe stuff is used to explain what is otherwise unknowable. Most MAGA’ers, fall into this category. .
The second stage, the philosophical, during which some of the make-belief stuff, is commingled with what are supposed to be, rational arguments. Most of the rest of the USA falls into this category.
The third stage, in which the scientific method is supposed to applicable to all human knowledge; about 10% of the USA falls into this category.
And, if everyone in the USA, used the scientific method, to determine the validity of anything which now determines the validity of the essence of Christianity, all of the USA would be considered living in the scientific era.
Christianity makes the slogan “Ignorance is bliss” right on the money.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
lol, remind me how well "trust the science" goes, when people are asked to define the term "woman"?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Daniel - would you do us the honor of defining what a 'woman' is?
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ServantOfJudgement
You forgot the final 2 stages. 4. Total rejection of God 5. Total obliteration
Oh, one more correction: Christians all know: Delivery from ignorance is bliss.
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David Arthur Lewis
Who Would Jesus Hate?
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ServantOfJudgement
David, God's meaning of the word hate differs from our commonly understood meaning. Jesus said hate your mother and father. You should read the entire Bible to find out what he means and who he hates. Pray for understanding otherwise you'll be in the same boat you're in now. That is to say, you'll understand the words but not the meaning.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Are you trying to be a comedian SOJ?? You literally just said words don't mean what they mean. Please tell me that was a punch line - though that would explain conservative's fury over the definition of 'woman', and how they can't define it either.
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Timothy Newell
I'm all for it! God bless them all, and this is from someone who used to be as secular as one can get, as gay as one can be, and in the process of repentance that will go on until I'm ready to be caught up in the Rapture. God bless America.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Timothy, The rapture is not in the bible. Much like the bible, which was written centuries befoe, It was written by a man in 1830’s. I’m not saying I’m not religious or spiritual, but the bible is a story told by man. What men wanted to say. It has nothing to do with God's words. Whatever God may be.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
of this crowd, this is said Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Parochial yes, Rapture I've always doubted. Not enough biblical evidence of such an event happening. But, taking us out physically on our own ability like the Jewish Exodus. Yes. Guiding us some here safe. But, I think the Nazi WEF is going to implode on itself. The world is waking up.
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Russel A. Kester
Christianity has had a significant influence on our country. Seems like we can acknowledge that fact. There does seem to be a concerted effort by some to either erase our country's past or to proclaim that it was all evil. Both are nonsense. Keep our past and put it into perspective both historically and presently. That goes for statues, names on buildings, and Christianity.
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Minister Butterworth
Russel, very well said. Seems like nowadays everyone is offended by everything. I believe the main things they want is money and fame. Everyone wants to sue whoever they can and get in the news be it paper or tv. These people are destroying our nation.
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Brandon Terry
Peace be with you!
I am not opposed to our brothers and sisters devoting a month of worship Jesus; however, it should not be implemented or supported by government in any capacity. I do agree that government should place protections on it, for it is a Constitutional Right to practice one’s religion freely. That said, I do agree with another who posted that Christianity doesn’t really need its own month. We already have the Sabbath and many celebrate Jesus on Passover/Good Friday, Easter, and Christmas, among many other days already—all of which are protected.
Celebrating The Father and The Savior does not need to be assigned to any given time—nor should it be! My neighbor and I celebrate all the time when we see each other outside and begin our discussions. Though I do not subscribe to the Roman-influenced Christianity as an Essene, I can appreciate the time we spend together in our discussions—none of which are planned but guided by the very nature of life’s design.
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Richard Clark
That just another example of the fascist Christian Nationalists trying to Americanize Jesus as a flag-waving, pro-war and pro-rich deity. The teachings of Jesus are the direct opposite of most white American Christians.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
you might want to check out revelation 14:19-20 and 19:11-16 before saying that Jesus is against war.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Yes, I can see the meme now - It's Jesus, on a battlefield, in a torn shirt, muscles rippling, drenched in sweat. He's wearing a stars and stripes headband and an M60 machine gun which he's incessantly firing at the oncoming waves of the enemy as he screams through clenched teeth, "GOD IS LOVE MOTHER F*CKERS!!"
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TZTX
Every month should be Jesus month. It's about time we start bringing back Christian values and beliefs. This nation has turned to various religions, meaning that religion is trying to find and make a God to follow. Christianity is God reaching out to us, saying accept my Son, the Savior and follow him.
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Mrknowitall
Finally !! If they declared another 'pride' month there would be no outcry.....Go God !
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Mrknowitall
We are a nation founded upon Christian principles that are rooted in the word of God ( the bible) the founders etched scripture in granite all over Washington DC. For those who don't like it you are free to move to another country at any time.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
if there can be a government recognized and declared pride" month, then there can be a Jesus month
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Pastor Jim
Ok. Let the Christian bashing begin. Lol (BTW, I'm not one.)
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ServantOfJudgement
Isn't that with every single article here? Aren't they all about Christian bashing?
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David Arthur Lewis
Actually, it's about bashing haters. Followers of Jesus are known by their love for their neighbors.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Pretty much.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Feeling persecuted SOJ?
That's okay - I understand it's mandatory to feel that way in order to be a Christian.
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Michael Holland
Next thing it will be man month or woman month. If you are a believer everyday is God day, right? The Bible says we should walk in his path, it doesn't specify month, I would think that's everyday!
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Lionheart
The Bible also says what fish and animals can be eaten. It also says how Slaves can be beaten. Are you okay walking that path as well, Michael, or do you cherry pick what you want to accept, and what you don’t? Just asking?
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Michael Holland
Nah man, Christianity is something you live everyday, not just a specific month!
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Lionheart
Ohhhh okay, so you only like to believe, and live, in the New Testament portion of the Bible then? That's good to know. At least you don't have to explain away that OT monster of a God, Unicorns, floods, infanticide, talking snakes, slavery, etc,. Phew! You dodged a few bullets there. 🫣
I wonder who the authors were, being as they all lived way after those they wrote about. 🤔
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Michael Holland
Whatever! I have faith that something bigger than me exists, that's it! No arguing, I just know the new testament better, I really don't believe any of it!
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Lionheart
I agree with your last 7 words, Michael. I don’t believe any of it either, but I’ll go one step further, I don’t believe in any of that ridiculous book, unless you have some wonderful demonstrable evidence to show its all true, which of course you don’t. That’s why all religions have, is to rely on faith, Mormons, Moslems, Hindu’s, Christians, JW’s, Judah, et al.
The Harry Potter books are also a great read. Just as an FYI though, they are also fiction, just in case you get any other weird feelings telling you they are also true.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
History evolves. Slavery once existed. We got rid of it and now its went underground in trafficking. Time to eradicate that but we know Washi.gto is a sewer and so is WHollywood. So let's expose that to.
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ServantOfJudgement
Eash,
Have you read the posts here in opposition to a Christian group stopping sex traffickers? Check it out, grab some tissues and chocolate.
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Pink Clover
Might want to check into those Christian groups before you give them credit for anything.
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Lionheart
Actually, slavery, and slave labor, still exists, but that's ok, your God never denounced it anyway, so give him thanks next time you pay homage to him. 🤭
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Never said slavery didn't still exist. It always will. Man is sinful and a constant battle. Now they want to enslave us whites. Try it. Just try it. We gave the world everything and now they denounce it. Kind of strange God chose the Jews who were dark skinned Caucasians to be the Chosen and later it transferred to the Gentiles, mostly of Caucasian background. And the world thrived. Now they want to deny the Caucasian world of everything we provided. HUH.
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Lionheart
Actually, Keith, sin is a human construct, as is your deity, unless you have some astounding demonstrable evidence to prove they are not. If so, you can claim the next Nobel prize. No one has done that yet, so it’s yours for the taking. Are you up to the task? Even your omniscient god doesn’t seem able to prove he’s real. Weird, right? 🤔
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Watch your words. God will come back at you for that. Do not mock anyone's deity. Respect what others believe. You show no respect for my beliefs which has been proven historically and philosophicaly to exist I will show no respect for your atheism. And don't refer to me by my first name. You don't no me as a friend.
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ServantOfJudgement
It's very convenient that all the forbidden foods carry pathogens and heavy metals. Science told us the same thing 4000 years later. Now that science said it we can trust it, but not beforehand, not for a second. That would be absurd. How does a goat herder detect heavy metals in meat anyway? Tea leaves or secret high tech lab in a cave like Batman's got?
If you really want a laugh, read USA food regulations that we all live by, they're far more puzzling. Did you know you may not travel on the road with a dirty egg? It's a felony ya know. Don't get me started on the legality of having weeds in your fields, uhhgghh.
Either way, don't eat raw oysters, so says God and the nerd with a pocket protector.
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ServantOfJudgement
Naw, real men don't need a month for us. Phony dudes might but not actual men. Same with women. You meet a real woman brother, she don't need no month. Lol, no sir.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Totally agree.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
its not about "need"
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Daniel Lee Weiss
the lgbt get a month, why shouldnt Jesus?
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Robert Gagnon
Why not, everyone else gets a month.Do they have a flag? Will they march in the streets? Will they ride up on children on bicycles dressed in black pants and white shirt and tie, exposing their verses like it's natural?
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Daniel Lee Weiss
i see no issue with a Christian parade, with the Christian flag. but perhaps have the bible verses on floats, for all to see.
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Pink Clover
Your church can do that with city permits. Easy peasy.
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Rev Mark D
"We Italians, we got our families and we got the church. The Irish, they have the homeland. The Jews, their traditions. Even the Ni*****, they got their music. What about you people, what do you have?"
"The United States of America, the rest of you are just visiting."
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Rev Mark D
Best example of what these people are doing is a direct quote from the movie The Good Shepherd (produced and directed by Robert de Niro):
"We Italians, we got our families and we got the church. The Irish, they have the homeland. The Jews, their traditions. Even the N*****s, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?"
"The United States of America, the rest of you are just visiting."
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Kenneth McDaniel Jr
No matter ones belief if one chooses not to welcome this just simply opt out. I am a Christian by faith but i don't have a problem with other religions celebrating their beliefs. If one is a different faith just take it upon yourself to use the month for your belief. Without God in our government the country will fail. God is the true government ( My opinion only. Not disrespect for other faiths). Love is a part of all faiths and if we all have that love we can come together as one. That being said. I love you all as one.
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Joy
If you read The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlet you will see how and why this stuff is trickling down from the highest offices in our government into state and local governments. The government that Margaret Attwood created in her books is right in front of us.
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David Arthur Lewis
Will they be staging an Auto da Fe like the holy missionary priests did? Now THAT is some real X-tian heritage!
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Is August Asatru month? Is May Muslim month? Is November Native American month? No? Then ban this B.S.
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ServantOfJudgement
And Ishtar(Pride) month? Ban Ishtar month also correct?
I agree with you, ban all recognition months.
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Daniel Lee Weiss
if one religion gets a month, the government is obliged to let all have a month. this is why caving to the lgbt religion was a bad choice.
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Thomas Edwin Peterson
It should be the American Freedom of religion act. Essentially encompassing all religions in our country. Jmo
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Daniel Lee Weiss
then why does the religion of pride get its own month?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Oh that's right - Fox News won't tell you.
It's because of this: https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
Now, please list here all the proposed and active legislation attacking Christians and Christianity. Just put it right here. I'll wait.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What people don't like about Sharia law is that it in effect makes everyone a Muslim by proxy - by making illegal that which is not Muslim, thereby forcing people to follow the Muslim religion by the force of law.
Christians do the exact same thing - with the abortion bans, for example, and all the anti-minority laws they have been writing and passing, and now this.
It's the Christian Taliban on full display.
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Fred Wilson
AMEN brother
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George Pitagorsky
Make it religious freedom month and include atheism as a religion and it becomes more like the intent of the founders and others who recognize the need for open minded faith as opposed to blind belief.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Definition of atheism is the absence of of any religious belief. Atheism can never be considered a religion any more than believing fairies exist at the bottom of the garden!
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Daniel Lee Weiss
if pride gets a month, so can Jesus. perhaps have an atheism month too?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Every month is Jesus month Daniel. It was the Vatican that established our current calendar.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Mumbo jumbo in action!
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Robin Lee Forrey Jr
"To exclude those groups is simply “rude, ignorant, and unwelcoming.”" By this logic pride month excludes straight people, women's history month excludes men, pizza month excludes people with allergies, and mental health awareness month excludes mentally healthy people AND autistic people since there is already an autism awareness month. I'm all in favor of this, it's ONE month.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Would xtians also accept a satan month? I don’t think they would, hypocrisy?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Mist religious institutions would reject thst idea since all of the major faiths believe in an evil spiritual being opposing the Good Being.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
Of course, one sided hypocrisy! Satan is not even close to all the evil deeds of retribution by the “Good Being” as related in the Buybull!
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Minister Butterworth
I don't care for a lot of the things people celebrate for a month, so i don't pay attention to it. I love the idea of a Christian heritage month. I can get into that. For those who don't like it, just don't pay attention to it. Thats fair. You celebrate what you want when you want And I will, too. I disregard what I don't care for and you can do the same. If that is too difficult for people to deal with, maybe we should do away with away with all monthly celebrations.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
Everything now has a month or a day. Some people who are suffering do not have a month , a week, or even a day dedicated to themselves, or to the causes of their problems.
While genuine suffering, need, and care should be addressed, some people choose to toss political pearls out there for their (ahem!) swine.
It would be pitiful if it were not so disgusting.
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Melissae Lila-Jean Bletsian
I agree with this proclamation. This country was founded on strong Christian roots, but more importantly it establishes religious freedom as one of its core tenets (if people cannot see that as a direct response to the religious oppression of the middle ages, please study up). Christian Nationalism is not the monster everyone proclaims it is and this organization should not be fanning those flames. This is not the place for fear mongering. It hurts no-one to declare such a thing. Certainly there are far more Christians in this country than there are LGBTQIA (of which I am one), but we have a whole month for Pride. Stop trying to cancel people just because they don't ascribe to the current "norm", this is ridiculous.
Also, just to be clear. It is constitutional for them to do this. There was a little known change to a law, which was declared unconstitutional some years back (2014 maybe?), the law caused us to get rid of all public proclamations of faith. People have only recently realized it was overturned and are taking LAWFUL action to declare their faith in public ways. This is a good thing. There are many people who are feeling overwhelmed by the minority culture taking over the majority public space and airwaves, so it behooves the "social justice" activists out there to give some concessions and actually practice what they preach.
I told some friends this a few years back when this current pop culture war was just starting to heat up: Be careful how long you stare into the abyss, lest you become the monster you abhor. It's happening folks. I really pray people wake up and look in the mirror, repent for their insanity, and return to being truly heart centered, inclusive people who don't demand that the entire world reflect their personal values.Also, who cares if there are some people (within any group) who are hypocritical. Keep your eyes on the road YOU are driving and leave others to theirs. Finger pointing only serves the darkness.
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Melissae Lila-Jean Bletsian
Additionally, It is not exclusionary. Everything doesn't have to be for us, but that doesn't automatically make it against us. We have all kinds of official months dedicated to all manner of things, all of which are codified by the government. We can create an unlimited number of religious months.
Also, the proclamation is actually true. There are innumerable examples. But nowhere does it say we must all worship the same G-d or in the same way.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Disagree on some points but you're right on on most. Good post.
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David Buck
If you are a Christain what are you complaining about? There is no doubt whatsoever that the US was founded upon Christian principles, so what is wrong with Christian heritage month? If anybody claijs discrimination, you could let them have their own month. Why get wrapped around the axle, just because Christanity get some sort of a positive nod.
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Richard Faust
It is a start, but the month of December and/or April would have been a better choice. The reason some are upset is not because a month has been designated. It is because they worry that Jesus now has three months out of 12, they are jealous. Imagine, when they die and find out Jesus has all 12 months and all the weeks, days, minutes, and seconds between. Romans 1:16 ( if you don't know it, you should). Praying where He leads you follow.
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Rolando Couce
Most people in California are Nazi and communist sympathizer the government in California and Joe Biden are totally against religion you know freedom of religion but the Democrats since Obama have been attacking the church but the Democrats in California have no problems implanting transgender mentality in our schools any religion that promotes goodness should be accepted
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
And where did you hear that?
Fox News.
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Julie Armstrong
Why not? Nothing wrong with this. We have Black Month, Native Month, Hispanic, etc. So Christian Month no different. Why because Satan worshiping people are afraid people will realize the lies Satan promotes and KNOWS GOD will win in the end? It's freedom of speech. The trouble with this Govt is that if you don't believe what they believe and promote your wrong and belong in jail. Just like China, and unfortunately people in America that believe what CNN and bought news media say for true without doing their own research will fall for anything. North Korea news only says what their ruler says is OK and we all know it's lies. Well the same thing is happening in America, yet people don't see it. VERY SAD. You know who does se it? Christians, people who moved to America to escape Communism. Listen to these people, OH wait you can't our Govt. Silences them too
I'm with the secularists. M8lixing Jesus and Christianity with Governmental functions is verboten by the Constitution. A bunch of Bible thumping politicians should not succeed in changing this fundamental American principle.
Not so fast Clay, both the House and the Senate have chaplains who lead prayers before every session! Interfaith guests are in to led other faith prayers! Some schools have allowed Satin clubs to meet after school and individual prayer is allowed at games (open attendance)! Schools are State and federally funded! Separation of church and government is gray!
Read The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlet to see why this stuff is littered throughout the highest offices in our government. It's not gray at all. It is very, very clear.
The after school satin clubs are sponsored by TST or The Satanic Temple. They do NOT believe in satan. Their 7 Tenets are a remarkable set of rules to live by. Far better than the 10 commandments. Look them up!
Interesting. I'll post the info here, make it easier for others:
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
Pink
Thanks for posting those. Talk about bland, vague and easily distorted, those tenants are about as practical as the toy in a crackerjack box. They still make cracker jacks right?
Elizabeth,
The Satanic Temple doesn't believe in Satan? Lol!
Jesus did say you'd get filled but I never thought it'd be so easy! Lol!
Look them up. TST does not believe in satan. The Church of Satan does believe in Satan. Two entirely different organizations.
Elizabeth
When you name your church The Satanic Temple, you are by default worshipping Satan. Let's not be fooled in plain sight.
It’s so tiring doing the actual research for you so-called “christians” who pretend to know everything. So, as I’ve mentioned a couple times already, look it up. Stop displaying your ignorance of the truth
SOJ - Easy is right.
https://psyarxiv.com/y762k/
Kenneth,
That has zero to do with the satanic temple not worshiping Satan.
Correct.
It also encompasses right-wing fake news in general.
You might as well give up on Kenny like everyone else has. No matter what you say he will complain its all right wing BS even if you give him links and then he will go through and post any left wing link he can find no matter how old to try and prove you wrong
What a joke.
Gotta love those After School Satin clubs! DIY drag for kids!
Joy, it’s satan not satin. Huge difference.
Othing has changed. In fact its getting close to our roots. Gotta problem with that?
Which "our roots" are you talking about? Native American? Spanish who killed a lot of the natives? Think about it...you are advocating one of many religious beliefs, a specific one that is violent toward non-believers. You are a prejudiced individual who discriminates against those of other religions with your beliefs, as it those from El Dorado County who voted for this. By the way, just so you know, I am a Christian.
Our roots? Like executing witches or enslaving the descendants of Ham? Although, now that I think of it, stoning adulterers to death would have solved one of the problems our nation is currently facing.
Ned,
Kennedy, clinton or trump? What would have benn solved if we stoned them?
When I mention roots I mean Our Founding Documents and the documents of the Early Faith Communities like Jamestown and Plymouth, and others. Not any others cultures. To blame faith communities on how things went down throughout history judging that history and present day faith communities on morals of today. I do not believe you can judge tha past and call it racist when the times have changed. Humanity grows ❤ in love. It takes time with mistakes. The Catholic Church is full of humanity who made mistakes and learned from them. So have the other faith communities.
You cannot judge past mistakes when those same mistakes are forcibly becoming policy in today's world. The WEF is totally fascist and upholding genocide. That is their intention which is all for the elite whom they will cancel as well if someone speaks out. Our moral society is not and has not learned from its mistakes.
If you care so much for others then uphold the right to life of the unborn. To condemn one's death even in abortion is infanticide and leads to genocide. Condemn the death penalty although who wants to allow anyone to live who wants to kill you and anyone else because of faith or culture. I don't like to bring skin color into the argument because I believe there is only one race which consists of many colors: the human race. Who truly wants to share this world with anyone who wants to kill you. But, my faith teaches that to truly uphold life means to uphold it from the womb to death; even the life of genocidal sick maniacs. But we must oppose anyone who believes and teaches that 6 billion must die so they can enslave and manage the existing 2 billion. Abortion is the negation of life and if you negate the right of an infant to live you negate the right of anyone to live. That means you. Anyone then could kill you for no reason other then they don't like your religion, culture, color, etc.
What is going on in South Africa is horrendous. Filies being killed. Women and girls being forced into human trafficking for breeding of more slaves. Men and boys not being killed are being castrated and sold into slavery merely for sexual slavery. Little boys and teenagers are especially sought after. The morality of the past I would argue was actually higher then our present world society because it is being guided and lead by an unseen demonic force. People of faith should band together and oppose and fight this demonic forces because it is a battle of good vs evil. And the evil.lurking is greater then the Hitler Regime. The spirit of Hitler never died. It lives in the mind of Klaus Schwab and his cohorts. A Nazi philosophy mixed with Communism and calling it the Fourth Industrial Revolution . I know what the eites want and I will fight and die opposing. Anyone in here with any sense of humanity would not side with tbis coming oppression. I won't respond so don't respond back. I've said my peace. All this group does is bash Christians.