When an Alabama woman fled her home in the United States at age 20 to join ISIS, she never expected to return. Four years later, and she's begging for forgiveness and a ticket home.
In 2014, Hoda Muthana told her parents she was going on a school trip to Atlanta. Instead, she got on a plane to Turkey, crossed the border into Syria, burned her U.S. passport, and officially joined the Islamic State.
But things didn't turn out quite how she expected. Her first two husbands died fighting for the caliphate, and as ISIS-controlled territory gradually shrank, Muthana was forced to go on the run with her 18-month-old son.
Now she claims to see the error of her ways, and is appealing to U.S. authorities to allow for a return back America.
"I've Made A Huge Mistake"
The 24-year-old is apologizing for her past actions in the hopes of making things right. In a letter obtained by news outlets, Muthana wrote:
"When I left to Syria I was a naive, angry, and arrogant young woman. I thought that I understood my religious beliefs... Seeing bloodshed up close changed me. Motherhood changed me. Seeing friends, children, and the men I married dying changed me.
Seeing how different a society could be compared to the beloved America I was born and raised into changed me. Being where I was and seeing the (people) around me scared me because I realized I didn't want to be a part of this. My beliefs weren't the same as theirs."
A Traitor to Her Country
The apologetic tone of her letter stands in sharp contrast to the once shy and reserved high school student who became a fierce and outspoken ISIS member during the height of the caliphate. And while her remorse may be genuine, terror experts are lining up to caution against letting Muthana return home.
Terror researcher Seamus Hughes at George Washington University says Muthana was a "key node...right in the mix for English language propagandists," while Mia Bloom, who tracked female jihadis from Georgia State University, described her as "advocating for extreme violence, especially against American military and servicemen."
The online evidence appears to back this up. "Soooo many Aussies and Brits here, but where are the Americans, wake up u cowards," Muthana posted from Syria in January 2015. She also encouraged fellow jihadis to carry out attacks back in America, writing: "Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them."
The Limits of Forgiveness
This story lends itself to larger questions about compassion, empathy, forgiveness, and the natural limitations of those ideals. Does Muthana and others like her deserve a second chance?
Many agree that forgiveness is a virtue that civilized society ought to embrace. It's a common theme in religious texts think the Parable of the Prodigal Son, for example.
But this sentiment is also found in contemporary public policy. After years of pushing harsh sentences for minor drug crimes, the U.S. government is now taking steps toward prison sentencing reform and has begun promoting more lenient guidelines for time spent behind bars.
However, are some crimes simply too great to pardon? Regardless of how Muthana's feelings might have changed, her actions were seriously damaging. Making a mistake is one thing, but abandoning your family to run off and join a terrorist organization is another entirely.
Where do you stand?
159 comments
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Mel Glass
I think she's sorry that ISIS was defeated, her husbands were killed and she is living in a refugee camp. I do not believe her or trust her.
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DISABLED VIETNAM MILITARY VETERAN
IT MAKES ME WONDER HOW MANY US SOLDIERS SHE WAS ENVOLVED IN WITH THE KILLINGS OF EACH MILITARY VETRAN. SHE SHOULD HAVE TO SERVE A PRISON SENTENCE FIRST
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Wanda
We can forgive, but not exonerate-that is what a judge or the LORD can do, but we are not in that position. There are consequences for every act and justice must be served for the good of all people.
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Luckner Pierrsaint
Yes she should be forgotten for letting isis brainwashed her,but in the meantime she should face justice in the Court of Law. Jesus Christ give us a number or a figure which is seven times seventy seven times.
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Lionheart
Yes, as you say, she should be forgotten, and hopefully, she will be.
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John Joseph Dawber
IN CAPERNAUM .MARY MAGDALENE WAS PURSUED BY PEOPLE OF THIS VILLAGE AND MEN WHO WERE PHARISEES TO PUNISH HER FOR COMMITTING A CRIME. SHE ASKED FOR MERCY FROM JESUS & JESUS WROTE THE CRIMES THAT THE CROWDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO STONE TO DEATH A MISGUIDED PERSON. THE CROWD WHO WANTED DEATH AND DISBANDED WHEN JESUS WROTE THEIR SINS IN THE SAND..JESUS TOLD THE LADY NOT TO SIN ANYMORE AND SHE FOLLOWED JESUS AS ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES . THE PRODIGAL MOTHER WHO WANTS TO RETURN TO HER COUNTRY WITH A BABY.SHE WAS MISGUIDED..FOR THE BABY AND HER. PLEASE LET THEM BACK TO OUR BELOVED COUNTRY.! I REMAIN JOHN J. DAWBER SERGEANT OF MARINES. IN THE MIDDLE EAST(LEBANON) IN 1957 WITH 8 TH MARINE 'REGIMENT..
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Br'er George
Ditto!
GOD BLESS YOU FOR THAT BROTHER SERGEANT JOHN!!!
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Lawrence D England
She should be able to return to the U.S.A. She should not be singled out because in the past others who fought against us in wars were allowed to become U.S. citizens. The Germans who fought in WW2 the Vietnamese the Korean and even the draft dodgers of the Vietnam War that chose to move to Canada and become citizens there. I agree that she should be monitored with something like a ankle bracelet and a probation officer as well as confinement for a period of time to make sure she has no disease and mentally helped with counseling to make sure she will fit into our society.
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Norbert Laengrich
There is a simple answer. By legal terms she has committed Treason: It is defined by law as:
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
So, 1) she is a US citizen and 2) she has committed Treason, so let her come back to the USA and face justice. If she is truly repentant, she will return. If not, so be it. Her choice!
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Babs
The big question is “would you want her living next door?”
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Bill Huffman
I'm not too sure what Im seeing here - are there 'Trolls' here, or just folks with limited social skills that enjoy speaking unkindly to others? I just don't see how civility diminishes our point, or the strength of convictions. Seems like this should be a place to learn and share with each other? Maybe I'm all wet. Either way, peace, folks!
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Nicholas
You can forgive her but that doesn't mean she is able to come back. She made her bed and now it's time she lay in it. I hope she corrects her past but she is no longer welcome in America
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Bill Huffman
I absolutely agree!
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LtBil Drat
This thing clearly, through words and deeds, renounced her citizenship by taking up arms against the US. Send her to GITMO or let her linger in her own bad decisions.
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Joann Serger
Trump the biggest traitor of all, but everybody wants to forget him. Why is he still walking free?
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Reverend Glenn
Take a good close look at her newly elected "sisters" in Congress! This person cannot begin to be believed until she denounces radical Islam which seeks to destroy Christianity and Judaism and all that our founding fathers lived, fought, sacrificed and died for! This person is only reaching out because life is taking a bad turn for her and her son. My daughter almost had the World Trade Center come crashing down on her...never forget, never forget!! There is an evil that is trying to gain a foothold in America and must be stopped...she is part of it!!
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Gina Altizer
Treason, no matter how you look at it...
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LtBil Drat
Yes it is.
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James Slack
I James Slack I do not believe she should be allowed back in the USA. She had given up her citizenship once she left and joined ISIS. We have detained and I believe arrested others trying to leave and go there. So why would we allow her to come back. Would we ever be able to trust her and her I sure still husband and her child. She has taken her stand at leaving our wonderful country. Now it’s time for her to reslize what a mistake she made and remain where she is at. For her actions there is no room for forgiveness.
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I. Howard Friedman
I am sorry she cannot be forgiven. I may be a Minister of the ULC but I am also a patriotic American. She decided to renounce her American citizenship and join a terrorist organization. She decided to sleep with the enemy and now you stay there.
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Mick
Please look at the obvious; if ISIS were not defeated, if her first two husbands were not killed, if she were not on the run, then she would not want to come back to America. Keep her out permanently!
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David C Jackson
We have to forgive her. but no reentry
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PKaz
Those that believe like I do are already into the kingdom. Forgiving is easy. That is not the point. While she is working out her transgressions let her stay where she has time to do just that. Focusing on where she is, where she came from and where she is wants to go. A quick get out of jail free card takes people time and effort. It will take time and effort to find, implicate and live her truth. She already knows impulsive moves at any age have consequences. Children are one. You can’t go to a vegetarian restrant miles and miles away and suddenly during dinner decide you want steak. It is going to take some time and effort.
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Apostle Dr. C.N. Turrell
Let me ask you all this that disagree with her coming back. What if the Saviour had decided to not forgive you of your wrongful past and accept you into His fold where would you be today? We that proclaim to be His followers and do not forgive, will never, ever be in His kingdom in the end.
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Lionheart
Well Mr Apostle, the beauty of my life is that I don’t need anyone’s forgiveness, even though you might think I do. So to answer your question of where would I be today if your mythical savior had not accepted me, or me him, I would be exactly where I currently am. Children dying of cancer and in pain will be exactly where they currently are. Little boys being raped by Priests will also be where they currently are. Trailer homes will still be ravaged by tornadoes like a needle to a magnet.
Your thoughts and prayers to your imaginary friend have so far been proved to be just that, and “life” just goes on, whether you have a religious belief, or whether you don’t. Your religious scare tactics don’t scare me one bit. They might scare innocent little children, and those educationally challenged, that’s who religionists love to prey on, so you might want to check in with that demon in your head and ask for forgiveness for being so mentally cruel, because it is mental cruelty. If you are an MD you should know that, right?
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tony
if her parents were on diplomatic visa's then she is not a citizen. which means this is not her home country.and she should apply to her father's home country for a new passport. and what she did was not treason. but if she was an american citizen when she did what she did. then it is treason and she should pay for what she did . no matter if she has a child now or not. in the days of old it was not uncommon for banishment to be given as punishment. nor was it uncommon for kids to be banished with their parents,after parents committed a crime.the kids being banished with the parents was so the kids would not be a burden on the village . so i believe she has given to herself and child what in some places a worse punishment than death.
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Mangaline Lewis
Jesus came to save all sinners,I forgive because Jesus forgave me
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Lionheart
Why don’t you forgive because you want to, not just because someone purportedly forgave you?
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Mangaline Lewis
Jesus came to save all sinners,who am I not to forgive, I say forgive And God well forgive you
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John Owens
Allah can forgive her if he exists. She is not a U.S. Citizen and we have no motivation to allow her or her child here.
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Abdullah Rashid
Yes, we can forgive. As a Muslim myself I can testify that I too was misguided by radicials "conservatives".But not to the extreme of joining terrorists. I was gullible. I converted at an early age, I was a practing Progressive Muslim at 15 with limited knowledge, still learning, a target for radicals, I was slowly radicalized but those I had trusted and believed that held the same beliefs and values I did. Radicals who we call Khawarji (not a specific group but a general term) live among us and you can't tell who they are until they speak, but not all. Majority are well at mixing their speach and living double lives to remain undetected.
Recovery is possible, and Islam is not the only faith to have radicalization, conversion therapy, arranged marriages, and terrorism. No faith of God will ever teach nor condone such terror only in the interpretation of the radicals.
But Islam is the one faith that is of the majority that is infected by this diease of radical theology. Not all can nor will be recovered.
But I still agree and support survilance on masjids world wide in hopes to stop and eliminate this dangerous diease that is a threat to all.
But for this young woman, I can't speak on her behalf of how she was misguided. Majority of women are the victims of these deviate people who claim our faith and a few hold positions of authority and trust such as an Imam. Women are known to be arranged in marriages they don't consent to and that includes with terrorists.
Yes, she should be evaluated through various assessments to ensure the safety of our fellow citizens before she can re-enter our nation.
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Ron
To forgive is devine, and I'm sure we can all agree that we should forgive. This does not mean we forget or that she is not punished for her conduct. Her actions included her renouncing her citizenship and joining a known combatant force. She is a trator to the nation and a criminal. I actually am in favor of her being brought back to the United States to stand trial as a traitor and terrorist. This will also enable us to bring her child back who may be saved from a similar mistake.
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Al Kempton
It would be irresponsible to let any one of them back,
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Hoggdogg
Hey she said the heck woth America and took her kid to join ISIS knowing what they are let her live over there and never come back
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Maurice Slaunwhite
The woman who fled from the United States of North America to join Isis can be forgiven and will be forgiven because God said so and it is in the Bible. It is written if man does not forgive he does not enter the kingdom of Heaven. I forgive that lady and so can Donald Trump. God bless you all and stand right with the Lord.
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Lionheart
Oh joy of joys, Maurice! A man made god said it, and to top it all off, it’s written down in a book.
Isn’t it wonderful that Hitler, Mussolini, Jack the Ripper, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Christian torturers, ISIS beheaders, et al, can be forgiven one day and all could be with us smelling flowers, and playing games with little children in paradise?
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Lionheart
Forgive her - bring her back - try her for treason and sedition - find her guilty - capital punishment - job done.
Message to others thinking of doing the same as she did....priceless.
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Michael O'Connell
Forgiveness is always possible, however we also need to protect our security. From this story it appears that the was not simply a wife, but a very vocal anti-American spokesperson advocating the killing of Americans. Not knowing all of the facts it is impossible to make a determination but on the surface it appears that she is a security risk that I would not tolerate in the country.
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Lover of my Country
I am not perfect. Only Jesus is. Jesus may forgive her when the time comes. I, on the otherhand, can NOT forgive her. She knew at the time what she was doing. Only wants back in to get benefits since the story says her two "Husbands" were killed in fighting. We do not need this in our Country. She can beg God for forgiveness is she wants to but not Our Country. She made her bed.
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A druid
If her change of heart is legitimate I can personally forgive her. She is, however, still an enemy of the state by her actions and thusly deserves a firing squad. A patriot's opinion.
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Michael Sherman
Would she still be asking to be allowed back in to America if her beloved terrorists were still in a position of strength...?????
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Michael Pizzola
Unfortunately she made choices and choices cause results. She denounced her citizenship, burned her passport.
As a combat decorated, disabled veteran I take a citizens rights (all of them) very serious.
When you make a decision like this young woman did, perhaps because of emotions at any given time, there are results forever that she may or may not have know or even cared about at the time.
But that is irrelevant, she had the free will, used it and now must live with the results of her decision.
I would not allow her to return to the United States simply because whether she realized it or not, she has already given away that right.
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kimberly
Was Judas forgiven? Probably not. While he regretted his actions, he never actually repented. Sometimes the issue isn't about forgiveness but a matter of consequences and personal accountability. It is commendable that she apparently learned a lesson (there is no proof of that) but that doesn't mean she won't be dealing with accountability. And, while the consequences in this matter are dire, they are applicable to the situation. From a practical and legal perspective, there is no indication she doesn't remain a security risk to the country if allowed to return. She simply went too far. One can regret jumping off a cliff but the end result is the same.
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Dennis M. Williams
Forgiveness? Yes she can have forgiveness, but that doesn't include a ticket back to the United States. She not only renounced her citizenship, but she chose to join a known terrorist group and promote that group's terrorist ideals. In my opinion, to allow her to return to the United States would only open the door to a known terrorist.
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John Noel
We have courts and laws to deal with this. She should be tried for any crimes and punished if convicted. Do it legally, not by presidential opinion.
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John Owens
She is not a citizen. Never was.
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Tom B
John Noel...agreed...Peace...Tom B
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Robert Bruce
Yes, she can be forgiven. Forgiven for her completely selfishness, her arrogance, even for her calls for ISIS terrorists to kill Americans. However, being forgiven does not mean she should be allowed back into the country or her citizenship should be restored. She made her choice and now she must live with it. Do you really think that she would want to return to the USA if ISIS was still riding high, taking slaves, accumulating wealth by stealing it, and in charge of a large chunk of Syria and Iraq? Not a chance. So, yes, she can be forgiven, but she must live with the consequences of her decision.
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John Baerlein
Forgiveness is a virtue that all are deserving of. She should not be allowed to step a foot on United States soil again. But send her forgiveness (in a letter, phone call, smoke signals...).
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John Owens
Good one, John. Thanks. Just now saw it.
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Pastor Tony Minish
Forgiveness yes. Trust no she has been programmed for evil we do not let her back in our country for it is a privilege to be an American and she chose not to.
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Sharon Shores
Doctrine of Deception -- https://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception She may be wanting to live here again...and lying about her "remorse".
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Glenallen Chartrand
I cant believe the sinfull thought juses give all who ask how can you condescending it is gods will to forgive our ennimes forgive is for everyone that asks right
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Michaelcbar
I think this woman should be forgiven. I will say a prayer for her and her child. But she should not be allowed back in this country. If Isis were still in control. She would be there singing their praises.
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Freddy Guerra
That is a big NO no forgiveness
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Terri Lloyd
I worry about the child. I think the woman should be allowed one more choice. Stay and marry a local again or come back to US and stand trial for treason which is life in prison or death.
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Ed Waltz
yea I forgive her but she's a traitor and shouldn't be allowed back in this country
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Preacher Man
Well said.
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Brandon H
The Obama administration had previously declared that she was NOT a US citizen prior to her leaving Alabama to join ISIS. She has NO rights as a US citizen.
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Ron Simpkins
She made her decishion to go there and join isis. It's not like she just moved to Indiana and now wants to move back to Georgia. She was a 20 year old woman who made a real bad choice. I belivie she knew what she was doing. Do Not let her return! Nothing good can come from her being back in this Country. Do Not bring her back to be locked up or tried for treason. Leave her right where she is , in the Country she took as her homeland. If forgivness is to be had it will come at the Feet of our Lord on Judgement Day.
She is right where she choose to be....Good or Bad!
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Matthew
Simple: Was she a U.S. citizen? Did she renounce her citizenship (read she burned her passport). If still a U.S. citizen bring her back, try her for treason, take her before a firing squad.
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Helen Halman
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before man, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. God has given us the free will to choose and she chose her path. So, no I do not think she should be allowed back into our country to try and lead others astray and destroy our country. End times are evident in the actions of the people.
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John Joseph Dawber
FOR THE CHILD LET THEM RETURN. THE CHILD BORN FROM AMERICAN CITIZEN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. THE CHILD DID NOT RENOUNCE HIS AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP! BOTH OF THEM SHOULD RETURN TO OUR BELOVED COUNTRY.THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO RETURN. THE QUESTION OF LAW IS IN FAVOR OF THE PRODIGAL MOTHER AND CHILD. . JOHN J. DAWBER LLB.
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Lionheart
Recent news:
“She was born to parents who enjoyed diplomatic-agent-level immunity at that time of her birth, so she was born not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and did not and could not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth,”
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John Owens
She was never a U.S. citizen, therefore her child born overseas is not a U.S. citizen.
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CWS
My opinion is, we should forgive her. But let’s take a page out of our laws. The America Telaban, he joined a foreign army, fought against Americans, and went to jail for life as a traitor. This young woman has done the same. I’m pretty sure that it is in our constitution that if you join a foreign army you lose you citizenship. She should go to a country that excepts her. Not the United States Of America. I’m retired military, I forgive, but I’m not so foolish to thing that she won’t return to her old ways of thinking and hurt Americans on our soil. She made her bed. Now she has to sleep in it!
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John Owens
This woman is not a U.S. Citizen, but her citizenship is Yemeni. That was determined by the Obama administration before the last presidential election. Just FYI.
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Iconoclast
She certainly did see bloodshed up close, by her own hand, I think.
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Tom
If she is allowed back into our country, then there would be no deterrent for the next idiot who decides to join an islamic terror organization for the purpose of killing their own friends, family, and neighbors.
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Minister Post
Don't let her back in. She's a spy or worse. She could be joining up with her isis cell here in USA and planning an attack on American soil. She sould be tried for TREASON..
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Val jester
“Aid and Comfort to the Enemy”. This is an interesting term that encompasses many acts or omissions. This young lady obviously was not a front line fighter. She was a companion both emotionally and sexually. She provided a place of emotional and physical refuge to one or more ISIS fighters. She provide a place where these fighters could come to rest, refresh and be satiated so they could go again rested, to kill, rape, plunder and terrorize. This is the reality of her conduct. All of the heinous acts committed by these ISIS terrorists can rightly be laid on her as well. I am for letting her return but only to face the consequences of her acts. This likely may include life in prison or capital punishment by a military court. This reality will most likely have her choosing not to return.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
I believe in forgiveness but I also believe in accountability. She chose to leave the US and burned her passport. She now needs to experience the consequences of her actions. At the moment, that means not being allowed back into the US. Perhaps she should try to redeem herself by now speaking out against terrorism and killing of innocents. She was so vocal before, let her denounce her former ways and try to make reparation BEFORE she is allowed back to face a possible jail sentence. There are repercussions to every action.
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Secretary3rd
Have mercy on her and that child. Stone them both. Done with comment.
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Roggaveen
You too are inciting violence, just as she did. Eyebrow-raising, to say the least.
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Lionheart
Don’t forget that even your god advocated stoning a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath. So, your god also incited violence, not to mention his condoning of slavery, but I bet you’ll still defend his actions.
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Jedi Hatter
This is a hard case because I believe in compassion and forgiveness. However that does not mean forgetting what they did. It does not mean there is not a price for those actions and it does not mean we can toss wisdom out the window. The reality is that she could be a sleeper agent or recruiter that could cost thousands of lives if we let her back in. Further there is the fact that she advocated violence against her own nation and rendered aid to its enemies that is true treason as defined by Article 3 Section 3 of the US Constitution. A Jedi follows the law so long as the law is not repugnant to the Jedi's mandate of protecting/rendering aid to the innocent. This has to be answered for if she returns. Which means by law she could face the death penalty for treason. So what is the Jedi response? First if she were to come back advocate for her to face the consequences of the law she broke but encourage mercy and ask that death be replaced with life imprisonment. Second if she wanted to send her infant daughter to relatives in the US I would advocate for that. The child is born of a US citizen ( her mother did not give up citizenship in the method required by law and thus she is still a citizen ) and is innocent of any wrong doing. So giving the child a chance is acceptable. Finally if we deny her return and thus she is not arrested I can only keep her in my meditation and hope that she really has seen the error of her actions and seeks whatever atonement is possible in the situation she is in.
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Kathleen Baird
She did not leave because she wanted to practice Islam in one of its home countries. She left to join ISIS and encourage others to commit acts of terrorism and murder. Now she wants to return to the country she disavowed and live the life she could not have in her chosen country. There is NO way I could agree that she be welcomed back to America when she was vocally promoting the murder of its citizens. Though I am VERY far from being a fan of Trump, I agree with him pulling American soldiers out of Muslim countries. If these people want a government with fairness and civil rights, let THEM create that society, instead of expecting others to do it for them. Unless they work together to create a society that does not promote hatred and the murder of anyone who doesn't think, and believe, exactly the way the most radical of them do, they have no right to expect the rest of the world to fix it. And I am sick of American soldiers being wounded and killed to support a people that either hates us or that won't speak up to change their country into a good place to live. In most countries that are considered civilized, there are laws against actions that are considered "Hate Crimes". If Muthana doesn't like the way her chosen country treats her, let her work to change that country. She has NO right to expect forgiveness and be welcomed back to be supported by America. NEVER!!!
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Professor Albert Logjes
Give her a second chance
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Tom B
She should be tried for conspiracy to commit sedition/treason and homicide, and face the consequences...she made a choice, and must deal with the consequences...then she (and we) will find out if she feels real remorse...Peace...Tom
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Jedi Hatter
Tom there is no evidence of her committing murder. So I am sorry but the homicide charge is BS. Potentially you could get conspiracy if she helped plan a particular attack and you might be able to get Solicitation to commit violence. But you cant get actual homicide. If we are going to debate what we should do with this women we should do so with good faith and knowledge of what the laws actually say.
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Tom B
Jedi...Respectfully; she can be charged with conspiracy to commit murder...i did not say murder; only conspiracy for the 2 charges...it i find it incongruous for you to reference "good faith and knowledge"...i am always commenting in that fashion...Peace...Tom
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James
Jedi, how do you know she did not commit murder? "The force" isn't real, Jedi, it only exists on movies, so you dont know either!! We have no idea what she did!
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Tom
Leaving her to stew in her juices will teach other idiots who are stupid enough to fall for islamic terrorists a good lesson. If we allow that stupid cow to come back, what stops the next brainless twat from joining isis?
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Marcel French
She crossed a line from wich there is no coming back from. Number one rule about terrorist, they can never be trusted no matter what they say.
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Br'er George
She should absolutely be allowed to return it's her right as an american. Her "crimes" compared to the many of the united states and our friends are completely insignificant and inconsequential. Remember,it's all good if the ruler of a country we're an ally with can actually order people to be murdered. No bad consequences there in that ongoing relationship.
americans have clearly demonstrated that we can forgive people who actually have the power to order murders to be carried out. So of course forgiving a little american girl who grew up and has at least apologized for what she did is easy.
Come on home sis! It's all good!
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PKaz
She gave that right up when she defected and burned her passport. She burned all bridges. Do what you can where you are. She has had two husbands and how many others? She is going to have a hard time And return to what she knows. People will not easily trust or except her and that is a fact. That will drive her son to run with what he is being associated with as in isis. Kids are cruel. She has chosen her path. If her husbands had not died for the cause they supported she would not be seeking forgiveness. She would not be trying to leave. Even prisoners that serve their time are not forgiven easily. Their rights are not restored . A horrible mistake of sex with a minor of any kind often becomes labeled a pedifile or sex offender. They are not given another chance. Even if one is 16 and the other just turned 18. It’s a long road back. Mean it and make your way back by your actions and your prayers. God will not abandon a seeker of truth.
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pcfield
She chose a different way, not he american way and encouraged the death of Americans. She forfeited her citizenship just as any Felon does.The child is not an american either, but sad that it has an uncertain life ahead because of her decisions. Every choice we make affects/effects others, not just yourself for yourself.
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Br'er George
How do you figure she didn't choose the "american way"? I pointed out merely ONE example of how the american government and the american people are fine with associating with and supporting financially and otherwise ACTUAL murderers. This kid didn't kill anyone nor had the power, like the prince in saudi arabia for example, to actually ORDER people to be killed.
No harm no foul.
The american people need to acknowledge their role in the actual violence we promote and spread around the world and stop getting "outraged" and scapegoating a kid who grows up and apologizes for the inconsequential things she said and wants to come back home to where she was born.
Promoting violence to advance "american interests" is absolutely 1000% american.
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James
Brer George I ignored your first very foolish post but now I must step in. You do realize thst this country did Not kill that journalist, right? And how do you, in your infinite wisdom, know that she didn't fight for ISIS while over there. Did she shoot any American soldiers? Maybe plant some IED's? Can you guarantee she is actually sorry? Of course not. Can you guarantee that she won't kill Americans if she returns? No again! She was an adult, she freely chose to wage war against this country . She advocated vicious terrorist murders! No harm no foul? Really? She is a willing Terrorist! What part of that don't you understand? Did you give any thought at all before shoveling your nonsense? Actually, I hope not. Then at least you could claim you posted without thinking.
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Br'er George
What I think, like I've said, is that a country like america that just loves to use violence to advance its own agenda is hardly in a moral position to condemn someone like her who hasn't done as much mayhem as america has.
Prezidint trump gave Kim Jong Un a pass for having Otto wacked so OBVIOUSLY just wacking an american doesn't disqualify someone from being forgiven.
Waitwaitwait. Lemmee guess. That's "different" right? america can live with that just fine and still respect and even vote for the president again but ISIS mama can't come home?
Uh huh.
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Gerardo
Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA) 349 establishes the loss of American nationality by relinquishing it voluntarily, by joining a foreign army and for joining others to cause harm to the USA or its citizens. This terrorist is no longer an American citizen; she is a subject of the ISIS abd as such must be treated. She is a traitor and as such deserves no compassion or simpathy.
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Br'er George
Oh pleez. Stop already. What is the problem with you people and unarmed single women and children? Terrorists? Seriously? Mmm ain't Kim Jong Un supposedly some kind of terrorist or terrorist supporter? According to the president they're real pals so see Gerardo!
Forgiveness is not only easy and possible but TOTALLY AMERICAN!
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William Waugh
Yeah!!.......nope. enemy combatant collaborator. In media inciting others to join efforts by creating homegrown terrorists cells. Life in prison or death penalty. Take your pick. The latter is cheaper for all you frumps out there.
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Br'er George
I'm anti death penalty so give trump life!
But I'm pro prison reform and for the reform of all sentencing laws so make trump share his cell with the isis mama and he has to help her take care of her kid. Just for a week though. Then everyone can just go home. I don't want the kid to catch nothing from donald.
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Jedi Hatter
Br'er George you do realize that words are not treason. Trump has given no aid to the enemy. He is trying to disarm them and cease hostilities. Trying to end a war that has been going on since before I was born is not treason. If you are confused as to the actual legal definition of the term read Article 3 Section 3 of the US Federal Constitution.
However providing food, shelter, and creating social media material for a terrorist group is. Further you have no idea if she is unarmed or not. Sleeper agents are a thing and using women and children is a thing that these groups do. So caution is more then a little warranted.
So while there are plenty of legitimate reasons for someone to dislike Trump please stop with the false equivalencies and deliberate ignorance of the risks involved in taking such a person back onto or nations soil. She has aided a terrorist group and advocated for the death of innocent lives. Its only common sense to not trust her motives. Because I for one dont want to find out the hard way that she was a sleeper sent to radicalize people into attacks here or carry out an attack of her own
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Br'er George
Trump kicks it with the "terrorist" he wants to and claims whatever. People who like him give him a pass with a lot of blah blah. thats all.
I have no fear whatsoever of unarmed women and their kids. No decent person of whatever persuasion does.
COME ON HOME ISIS MAMA!
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James
Brer, Is that what you said about that "unarmed woman" who murdered 17 in San Bernardino in 2016? Kinda destroys your whole sophomoric argument doesn't it?
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Br'er George
Umm.. nnnooo... can't say I did. I'm talking about the unarmed ISIS mama who wants to come home so I was talking about her and how she isn't armed.
How does an unarmed woman kill 17 people anyway, wouldn't.she need some kind of weapon or something and what does that have to do with this?
Calm down James. Breathe. ISIS mama is unarmed with her kid and surrounded be people who are armed and more than willing to blow her brains out so she ain't coming to get you. No doubt you yourself are armed and wouldn't hesitate to blow her "terrorist" brains out on sight so what are you blabbering about?
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Rev. Brien
You are misguided. She is NOT an american citizen. She is an enemy collaberator. Her crime is treason. If she steps foot on US soil, her punishment will reflect her crime.
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Br'er George
She is too amerikin! She was borned here so she's one of us.
If president trump can pal-see walzee with "terrorists" if HE wants to and still be president then get over mama isis.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
Her father was on a diplomatic visa when she was born, which does not allow her to have US citizenship. It is a technical thing but apart from that,she basically lost her citizenship when she fought for a foreign power - it's in the rules, look it up. She even burned her passport - she wanted nothing to do with the US, until ISIS lost. Forgiveness is good, but don't forget the atrocities committed by ISIS and her husbands. Plus her own words of encouragement to others to kill Americans. Be kind but don't be blind.
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Br'er George
Prezidint Trump, Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin. Best buds. Trump say so. All is fine. We all are obviously getting along fine and forgiving the hell outta e'rebody already.
So WELCOME HOME MAMA ISIS!!!
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Tom B
Rev.Dr. Annie...well expressed...I agree...Peace...Tom
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Marisa Nova
You are a nut with your hateful comments.
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Br'er George
Hateful iz as hateful duz Marisa.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't.
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Colin Ayres
Wow! Not sure where you come from, however, A) No. She is not an American any longer. B) "Insignificant & Inconsequential"? Seriously??? So you consider the threat of death at the hands of terrorism "Insignificant or Inconsequential" for anyone? It doesn't matter if it comes from a terrorist group or one "little American girl". WAKE UP! It is NOT all good. Do not come home! Do not pass go!
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Travis Wilbur
This is a VERY gray area.
In cases like this, there are two types of people.
Some people commit terrible crimes, and then upon seeing the suffering their selfishness causes people, they become remorseful and regretful of their depravity, vowing to never return to previous behavior. It's people like this that we should be forgiving of. It's these people that we need to show kindness and compassion to, in giving a second chance.
There are other people who commit terrible attrocities, and upon facing the consequences of their actions, feign repentance to deceive their way out of punishment and into our good graces. Once they have regained our trust again, these remorseless monsters will commit their heinous crimes again, visiting anguish and suffering on more innocent people. It is people like this whom we need to protect ourselves from and exact Justice on, as punishment for their evil.
But, which one is this girl? Is she a remorseless savage, cheering the murder of innocent people? Is she truly apologetic? Will she return to her hatred of Americans, after a sob-story ruse? Or will she reform her dangerous beliefs, once we forgive her?
It is very difficult to tell. There is no way to predict this, until the damage is done.
So, what do we do? Forgive her and risk losing more precious lives because she used deception to further her barbaric religion? Or do we banish a truly sorry human being, regretful of terrible mistakes, to a savage environment of violence, war, and tyranny?
In deference to the blood-thirsty Jihadists you read of in war-torn Middle East, I have personally known a handful very nice, and even generous, Muslims in my lifetime. So, I know that the "moderate" Muslims can be decent people. So, maybe there is some truth to her apology. Maybe not.
I think the most efficient answer is probably the simplest.
Everyone of any religion knows that they must suffer the consequences of their actions, even those who have learned from those mistakes. While not the most compassionate answer, banishment for treason is probably the most Just. We protect ourselves from a potential threat, while teaching someone the consequences of wrongful action.
I'm not a fan of Donald Trump. I think he's a deceptive charlatan. But, I do agree with him in this case.
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Roggaveen
Thank you for this thoughtful and non-biased response. Amidst all the rather hateful and violent comments I've seen, this is a nice change. So, thank you.
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Randy Ford
If she were a US citizen, we would let her return to face legal action. She was notified years ago the she was not a citizen because her father was on a diplomatic visa when she was born. It doesn't matter that he left his job a couple of months before she was born: he was still on the diplomatic visa when she was born. The Constitution is clear.
She was an adult, (19 years,) when she left the USA. It wasn't a "youthful indiscretion." Our citizens who join our military at 18 years old are adults, and are accountable for their decision. She gets no "credit" for youthfulness.
Her child is not an American, either.
Her online activities makes her an enemy combatant. The closest that she will make it to the US is Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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Iconoclast
Just what we need-- another sleeper terrorist with no working skills, who will draw the modern versions of welfare, sucking on the government teat, waiting for an opportunity to cause suffering and death in our country. Is there any room in Gitmo?
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PKaz
There are plenty of people that need help there. Help those people that need enlightened educate them, talk to them and share your plight and the results of what you have learned. This will truely leave a legacy if you have learned anything. You helped make the mess you clean it up or at least show your son the way. Make him understand. Do something restorative and show your worth. I think you are where God has found you. It is never ok to take a life. There is a big difference choosing to kill out of hate and having to protect you or your family. There are barely any malls anymore and because of everything going on in the world. You need to grow where your planted. Under the circumstances I would not allow anyone with a hidden agenda for harming others including loved ones come into this country unbound. If at all. Treason is still a crime.
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Will Rogers
I spent a year in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom, and was a victim to two homicide bombings. I’ve seen what the insurgents and their supporters can do.
All I can say is that this woman should hold dear every lesson she feels she is missing from her days living in the United States, and remember what good times she can, because she will never get to experience them again.
I can forgive her. I cannot forget what she has done.
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minister james
Roger that, WR. Serious actions have serious consequences, no matter one's age. We are all called upon to own those that we make, sooner or later, in this world or the next. May we all find a better day.
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pcfield
I agree.
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Dr. Darryl G.Dykes
Will Rogers As one vet to another thank you for your sacrifice and service. I strongly believe and stand by Love the sinner not the sin. God has graced his mercy upon this sinner (myself) and forgave me of my sin. I can forgive the true at heart repentant, while standing firm that we must not allow her to return to risk any further harm to our country.
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Rev. Brien
You are correct. I whole heartedly agree. If she puts foot on US soil, it is treason. That is what her charge will be. That can only come with 1 of 2 outcomes, life without any parole, or the death penalty. I hope those who want her back with open arms realize this. Allowing anyone like this back into this country is a slap in the face to all that serve/have served and sacrificed. Forgive, never forget.
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Marilyn A
Well said ?. Words are easy but what’s truly in her heart and soul. I vote NO do not let her into our beautiful ?? Country.
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Lionheart
Sedition is a crime, period!
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Rev. Rene
Let's throw them to the wolves!!! Oh, wait, they (in the UK there is one now also, left the country at 15!!!) were hormonal teenagers, dreaming of boys, boys, boys, and there were these "warriors" in countries possibly glamorized by their parents or uncles with stories about what they did in their "home" country, and it all sounded so good! But... let us not judge to soon... they were hardly adults making an adult life decision!!! So now they have their own babies, and need some support system somewhere, and the " not in my backyard" syndrome should not pop it's ugly head up here. As an ordained Reverend I cannot turn my head and disavow these young women! Providing they are older and wiser and no longer a treat to the society they now wish to join, again.
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Jim
Rev Rene how do we know that they are no longer a threat to society? Because she says so. Just like everyone in prison is innocent right? LIFE is a series of choices that we all face. We make the decisions we make and must be held accountable for them. If I drink and drive at 16 and hit a family and kill them am I accountable? After all I'm young and dumb so by the time it gets into court I'm 18 and older and I can tell you I realize my mistake and will never drive drunk again. Should I be allowed to walk without any penalty? While I do feel kind of sorry for the young lady if she is sincere she made her bed now she must lie in it. There is NO WAY we can know if she is sincere in her desire to return to the US and do no harm. She may want to get back here to start a cell of her own. We cannot waste the resources it would take to watch her either. Just not practical.
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pcfield
Forgiveness can and should be given, but that does not mean you can commit treason or any other high crime and get away without having a consequence for those choices. We can forgive her, but not have her climb back into bed with us either. Her total forgiveness will come from God on Judgement day. Will she be led to the right or to the left? Only He knows her heart, we are to be wise...one does not hug and kiss a poisonous snake just because it looks pretty or sad.
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Dr. Daniel R. Thomas. Ph.D. D.D
Forgiveness is the virtue of the strong. We must forgive her, for the sake of her soul. However, her actions have consequences. She must stand before the courts and face her crimes, and pay the price. In this world, she must pay for the consequences of her sins - treason against the state. In the next world, she will face God with a clean soul. I only hopes that she does not spread her poison in our prisons .I pray she is a true prodigal Daughter and accepts the sentencing, and love of her country.
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John Owens
The Obama administration said she is a Yemeni, not a U.S. citizen.
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Darryl Mizer
I understand forgiveness as exhibited and told to us by Jesus. I can forgive her for a decision she believed to be justified. However citizenship is not part of forgiveness.
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Louise Hidson
Do you feel the same way about young mass murderers, armed robbers, murderers of one person who are under 15, of which there are many? If they say they’re sorry and that they are now older and wiser, would you be willing to overlook their past actions? Overlooking such actions is much different for an individual than for a country with a justice system and laws agaonst joining a terrorist organization.
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Rev. Brien
I was a teen once too. I dreamed of girls, girls, girls. I do not remember committing TREASON to get a freakin date. Seriously, you need to open your eyes.
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John Owens
She was declared a Yemeni by the Obama administration.
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Hank Stanco
Who said she was no longer a threat?
Everything you have written is nothing more than supposition.
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Colin Ayres
Actually, "Rev." that's exactly what she was. An adult. 20 y.o. And this is NOT a case of "not in my backyard" syndrome. This is a case of national security. This can not be compared to people not wanting a home for the disadvantaged in their neighborhood, or an undesirable element in their neighborhood. This is a legitimate threat & decision, that an adult made, on their own, to turn their back on this country & follow a group that is right now, the biggest terrorist threat in the world. So please, do not diminish the severity of the crime! As a Christian, do I forgive her? Yes. As a good citizen do I want her back in my country? Absolutely NOT!
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Rev J
Rev Rene, Hi I am Rev J. No turns there head on such an individual but yes choices have consequences. In Jesus' time he advised His followers on just this subject. In one instance Jesus was advised by His disciples that others were prophesying in the name of God and they were upset. Jesus told His disciples that if these people were not against to leave them alone. The reverse of that would be that Jesus would advise that if they are against us then do not associate with them. Again in the parable of the fruit tree Jesus told all that ye shall know them by their fruit. A good tree will bear good fruit while a bad tree will bear rotten fruit. What fruit has her tree been bearing as she called out for the deaths of innocent civilians, men, women and children in America buy running them down with vehicles? In the rich man parable where a rich man asks to be released from hell for his bad treatment of a beggar at his gate. Peter told him that a great chasm existed between heaven and hell that no one can cross. The the rich man asked to go back and warn his brothers of the consequences of sin. Peter told him that were not the prophets and Christ who have already been sent to warn better then he. Again his request was denied. Choices have consequences. And last but no not least did not Jesus warn that in the end times many wolfs would come in sheep's clothing to be among the flock of the faithful? Can you tell me with certainly what is in the heart of this women whether it be an evil design or not? Can you tell me if she is going to be a covert destroyer among the our nation. Remember Jesus has already told us to beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing. No we must forgive and pray for her but she has espoused a doctrine of death by a culture and a radical religion who seeks to conquer and kill or subdue all who are not of their faith. Obviously she foes not believe in the commandment thou shall not kill. She made her choice now find some other place to live but not here. If her father was a diplomat with diplomatic immunity from US law then she was never a citizen at her birth. She was and is a citizen of the country her father served. She has shown her fruit and quite frankly it is purely rotten. Would you invite Satan into your home dressed as a priest? Be careful what you wish for you just might get and not like it.
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Marsh Oliphant
Sifting through your jumbled mess of bad grammar and misspellings, you have a good point. Too bad that you had to throw Jesus in, though. Most of the stories about Him are pure fiction.
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James
You are foolish and naive, Rene. There is no way to be certain she wont rent that truck and drive into a crowd of people. She claims she was a brainwashed fool; she may still be, or she may be again. NO WAY SHOULD SHE EVER SET FOOT IN THE US AGAIN! EVER! Enjoy ISIS, my dear!!
Rev James
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Rudy Bernstein
look at congresswoman Omar. We bring her to USA and help her now she wants to destroy USA
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Larry Copeland
She is guilty by association she begged and pleaded to kill her on country’s people she is dead to the USA☹️
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William Waugh
Sorry. Cant do it. No forgiveness. If anything provable, convict. If not, there is really no need for (a leg up) or any attention at all.
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Don Iarussi mfa
no forgiveness if anything should be executed or definitely put in jail she joined isis too late for her she can't get forgiveness
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Rev Deborah L Borchardt
Forgiving is what God wants us to do. Sometimes it is not an easy thing to do but as Christians we should embrace this and let the fact that we have all sinned and need forgiveness be foremost in our minds. However, that does not mean we should go blindly into a future situation that could cause harm against more innocent people. "The proof is in the pudding." comes to mind. While our Lord knows what's in our hearts, we do not. We must assist other's the best we can but be cautious to avoid further problems because if we excuse this behavior then aren't we as people condoning actions that could draw us into that equation making us also guilty of bad choice and enabling people to make more bad choices. Do I wish for a peaceful existence and happy outcome? Of course, however, I think she should not return here but she should go with her child to a different country and be counseled so that she can learn how to raise the child who now must also deal with the fallout from her choices. Hopefully, she has learned from this but, she must do penance and hardship goes with that hand in hand. I will pray for her that she never makes such a drastic and bad choice again and that God sends her where he feels she needs to be and that he guides her to do as he would want her to do and let him decide where she should be but not be allowed to return to a place where bridges were burned. God be with her and I pray he has seen change in her and will protect the innocent child who needs positive direction to avoid future issues because he hasn't been taught the right path to take. Jesus take the wheel.
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Marsh Oliphant
"God" doesn't want us to do anything, because "God" does not exist! This woman simply should never be allowed to come back into this country. Keep your fantasies to yourself!
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Michael Barnett
God is just and is willing to forgive us of all our sins. however, she makes a choice to go away from her country and fight against it. it is hard to say because the whole duty of the Muslim is to destroy the Christian faith and set up their Islamic rules and Islam God.
we should give God thanks for our great president Trump, his responsibility is to always keep American safe.
I would like to pray about it.
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Lionheart
Muslims don’t just target Christians, they target anyone that they class as infidels, religious or not, much like when Christians did the same thing before the reformation.
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Bren Cou
look up the god gene
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Bren Cou
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/14/20041114-111404-8087r/
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Bren Cou
Scientist have found this in space https://youtu.be/Er9D00DXQQs
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Rudy Bernstein
God do not forgive who wants to kill his children.
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Rudy Bernstein
check out my youtube cca news 2019
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Lionheart
So Rudy, what about the children that God killed? Do we forgive him? He has a long way to go to get my forgiveness.
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Rudy Bernstein
That you have to ask God your self
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Rudy Bernstein
Every body this is what she Tweeted out Hoda Muthana Veterans, Patriot, memorial, etc. day Parades go on drive BY'S + spill all of their blood or Rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them. This girl is a terrorist and treasonist. If you help her she will become like congresswoman Omar. We bring her to USA and help her now she wants to destroy USA
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John Owens
For those who think they believe in Jesus: the admonitions regarding forgiveness are for interpersonal interactions, not for states or governments. Governments and judges are not supposed to be forgiving if their laws are transgressed. I, for one, do not want my government, local or otherwise, to forgive someone who hurts or kills any of my family.
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Carl Elfstrom
Speak for yourself, lady. I'm nothing like a Christian, and neither are many of our fellow ministers. Turn the other cheek all you want, but it sounds masochistic, and that's only fun in the bedroom. She sounds like a traitor to me, and I'm not buying her sob story. She might not even be sincere. There's a better chance that she wants to get back to the USA to carry on her terrorist activities over here. I don't care what happens to her, or her child. I've heard that kid has horns, and breathes fire. It looks like Trump finally did something right.
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Rigo Toro
I agree in NOT allowing her to return. The US stands for democracy, freedom. This young woman decided to leave her country, join its enemy and take a stand against it. She made her decision. She made her choice. Now we make our decision. Now we make our choice. I choose to keep her out. She made her bed, let her lay in it.
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Freddy Guerra
AMEN BROTHER AMEN
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Lawrence Giangregorio
Forgive, but not forget...There are consequences for all our actions...As my Mom used to say...She made her bed, now she has to sleep in it....Stay in your adopted homeland and repent there...But not here....And hope and pray that the only forgiveness that really counts us from the All Mighty himself.... Minister Lor3nzo
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Marsh Oliphant
Some things cannot be forgiven. This is one of them. Let her stay in her adopted homeland. As for the "All MIghty" (which is actually one word: Almighty), "He" doesn't exist, except in the fantasies of those persons who fear death.
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JT
OK, angry, bitter troll (yes, that's what you are, I noted your 'reply' in 3 different places). So, " ...“God” does not exist". OK - prove it! You cannot. [And don't say, "Prove he DOES exist" (My answer would be an honest, "I don't know.")]. I didn't make the declarative sentence. You did. Now prove it!
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Vivian T Harris
You can forgive someone without inviting them back into your life. or Country. Once trust is lost it may take time or never be regained. Rev. Vivian Harris
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Jerry G Fallin
She may be forgiven but should not return to the US. In the parable of the Prodigal Son he did not set out to murder his family and friends. Totally different scenario. She must not return to America. Let that be a lesson to those thar want to kill.
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minister Denesi Ludwick-Barnes
no , if she comes back what shew did is treasonist,
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Actually, she has a wealth of information that could benefit America. I say Bring her back if she is willing to give us everything (information) that she has. Debrief her and then send her home to her parents under supervision. After a few years, if she has re-assimilated, then give her her freedom.