In the wake of the mass shooting in Las Vegas, news headlines have been dominated by a single topic: gun control. This is obviously an important subject, and one we feel is worthy of a community discussion. In fact, all week we’ve had people writing in to express their views on both sides of the debate.

Below, we have published two guest sermons submitted by ULC ministers who fall on opposing sides of the issue.

Now Is the Time for Gun Control

— A guest sermon submitted by ULC minister Emily Young

What transpired in Las Vegas was horrific. In the blink of an eye, thousands of innocent people who had gathered to enjoy a concert suddenly became lambs for the slaughter at the hands of a single sick individual. The killer was able to collect an arsenal of deadly weapons, drag them up to a hotel room, and shoot indiscriminately on the crowd below, murdering 59 people and injuring hundreds more.

Horrific only begins to describe it. But here’s the thing: this kind of bloodshed is just par for the course in America.

A large collection of guns

Thanks to our country’s lax gun laws, mass shootings have become the new normal, writes ULC Minister Emily Young.

Thanks to our country’s lax gun laws, mass shootings have become the new normal. The Las Vegas attack now holds the title of “deadliest mass shooting in American history” – seizing the crown from the Pulse shooting, which happened only a year earlier. How long before a new record is set?

The Congressional Research Service estimates that there are roughly 300 million guns in this country – almost one per person. Is it any surprise, then, that the United States has 33,000 gun deaths per year? That number vastly outranks other developed countries.

Our current laws allow just about anybody to walk into a gun shop and purchase a firearm. Only 19 states require background checks. For no good reason that I can figure out, assault rifles are perfectly legal. This has to change.

How many more Americans need to die before our leaders finally decide to do something about gun control?

If we want to reverse this disturbing trend, now is the time to act. We need to combat the dangerous gun-centric culture that has too long festered in America. We need our leaders to stop accepting blood money from the NRA in return for silence on the issue of gun control. Above all, we need common sense reforms to get guns out of the hands of crazy people seeking to do harm to others.

Now is the time. What are we waiting for?

 


Land of the Free: In Defense of Our Gun Rights

— A guest sermon submitted by ULC minister Douglas Martin

What happened in Las Vegas was terrible, on that point everyone can agree. But let’s not overreact. Whenever a highly publicized shooting happens, we immediately hear calls for massive restrictions on gun rights. Often, the victims’ bodies aren’t even cold before the tragedy is used as leverage by those dead-set on kneecapping the Second Amendment.

A gun sitting on an American flag.

Gun ownership is quintessentially American, writes ULC minister Douglas Martin.

Like it or not, gun ownership is constitutionally protected here America, and rightly so. In every way, personal firearms are a symbol of freedom. Freedom from government tyranny, freedom of self-defense, and freedom of recreation. These values are quintessentially American, and we should think long and hard before compromising them.

For every misguided individual out there who decides to use a gun for malicious purposes, there are thousands of law-abiding gun owners who are 100 percent responsible with their firearms. Why should these honest people be punished for the actions of a small minority of irresponsible dirtbags?

Consider this, too: no matter how many laws we pass, it won’t stop someone that’s determined to get their hands on a gun. Because, as it turns out, criminals don’t follow the law. They will find ways to circumvent the rules, and the violence in places like Chicago will continue unabated.

Restrictive gun laws will, however, make it more difficult for ordinary people to buy a firearm to protect themselves and their families. I refuse to relinquish my rights just because a madman manages to get his hands on a weapon every once in a while. Sure, lawmakers’ intentions will be good. But even the best of intentions can have disastrous results. If we enact strict gun laws, the inevitable outcome will be fewer guns in the hands of the good guys.

We’ve all heard the saying, “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.”

Well, anti-gun legislation will make people do just that. Criminals will bring their guns to that gun fight – count on it. Meanwhile, law-abiding people like myself will be forced to show up with a knife. If you ask me, that’s not right.

So I’ll say it again: let’s not overreact. Gun restrictions might look good on paper, but they will surely have unintended consequences.

 

175 comments

  1. James says:

    “If all men were angels we would need no govt.” until that day I’ll protect my family, my self, and my property to the best of my ability. No one can control what another person will attack them with. So, stop trying to push the defenseless agenda masked with the faces of the dead. Evil will exist until the end of time. Defend yourself both physically and spiritually. pray for peace and prepare for the fight. Know right from wrong and live it. God bless you all.

    1. Bob says:

      What most people tend to forget is that if you make it illegal for good people to own guns then only the criminals will have guns. When governments seek to restrict good people from owning guns to defend their rights then the government can can say that only they can define what our rights are and prevent us from being able to defend ourselves. That is called a dictatorship not country for and by the people.

      1. James says:

        I agree, when someone can get criminals and govt to only us toy guns to attack law abiding people, I’ll still defend my family in any manner I see fit. In order to insure, not guess but insure my best chance of success in keeping them safe. In all aspects of attack. Physical, spiritual, and mental.

      2. Rev paul collins says:

        I agree with you because criminals will buy guns on the street if they can’t buy them any where else

        1. Boblong says:

          Well said

      3. Rene L. says:

        First of all, the intent of the founding fathers never was for all citizens to have a gun, it was to have the right of citizen militias to be able to defend this new-founded nation to exist at all; after all there always was a chance the English could decide to come back! And now with guns everywhere this USA is the ONLY !!! nation on this earth where the ‘law of the land’ allows nearly everybody to own not just ‘a gun’, but as many as one likes! For defending one’s family??? Give me a break!!! In this day and age the only people breaking down your door would be the police! Hunting guns, fine. Target sport guns, fine. Guns for one’s own Defence??? What a crock! So now everybody needs to carry a gun on their hip, or let’s join the rest of today’s civilization and get real!! And by the way, criminals in England, mainland Europe, Japan, etc. use mostly knives, not guns.

        1. John Owens says:

          The second half of your first sentence contradicts the first half. Just pointing that out. A minuteman was a shopkeeper or farmer or trapper, armed with his personal weapon(s). A CIVILIAN militia operates outside the central government. “The right of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed” seem to be difficult for some to understand but seems perfectly straightforward to me.

          The Bill of Rights did not address hunting whatsoever. We cannot “join the rest of today’s civilization” since they do not live under our constitution. There are more people murdered with knives in THIS country than guns. More people die from medical malpractice than guns. More babies are aborted needlessly than people killed with guns.

          That amendment is there so that we have the power to shoot those who would take our rights. It would be wise to remember that, for a host of reasons.

          1. Bill Reiland says:

            Yes!

          2. Fred w says:

            I agree with john If guns kill people pencils misspell words. Do we ban cars after traffic collisions. I live in a very rural area it would be along time before anyone could show up if I call for help. I will not leave my family,myself or neighbors unprotected.

        2. Rev. RJ Levesque Jr says:

          First of all you have no idea what you are talking about. Let’s talk some real statistics such as the crime and death toll being so much higher in the EU, Japan, etc. Also, you could make all the gun control laws you want and that still would not have stopped what happened in LV. Bombs are pretty illegal but that doesn’t stop bombings either. I will be glad when ignorant people stop blaming the choice of weapon used and put the blame where it belongs ON THE CRIMINAL!!!! Also, you are a very poor student of the American Constitution, yes they ABSOLUTELY DID intend for every American to have the right to own a weapon, such as they could not under British rule. And last but definitely not least, this country was forged with American will power and our guns helped achieve that. Guns have always been a large part of western culture…so if you hate it here so bad feel free to get the hell out of my country and go to Japan, Europe, etc.

        3. Heather says:

          Rene, I think you are confused. Your contradicting yourself a great deal. It is okay to feel conflicted and it is okay to sound off about that conflict, but openly accept that you feel conflicted so people don’t think you are a lunatic who can’t get a cohesive thought together.

          Personally, I feel your initial statement is absolutely correct. The right is just that, our right. It is the absolute right of every single American Citizen and I wholeheartedly support it and will fight to my dying breath to support it.

          If the “laws” worked, there would be no crime and no dirty cops. The reality is that the cop supposedly here to protect us will either 1. not even show up when you call 911 (they don’t come when we call!!!) 2. be apathetic and unable or unwilling to take necessary action or 3. be just as crooked as the bad guy breaking down your door.

          If laws worked, there would be no such thing as crack babies, wife abusers, or unequal pay.

          Criminals in England and Japan have and use guns all the time. I lived overseas for years and know this first hand. Do not rely on your perception if it is only based on what you learned from the Today Show. There are plenty of bad guys with guns in ALL other countries. America is not alone in that.

          If you are not comfortable with a gun, do not carry one. I support your choice, but not your judgement. If you are near me when something bad happens, you are safe. Fortunately, you are usually surrounded by good-hearted people who do know what they are doing and will protect the people around them at any cost whether you know it or not.

          1. Jim says:

            Heather, that is an awesome reply. Thanks for getting it absolutely right.

        4. Jackie says:

          I must agree with you. America is known for it’s Wild West attitude… Now that’s amazing..Hand guns in the hands of responsible owners. A rifle for hunting (how many rounds does it take to kill a defense less animal?).
          Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting in 20 years. Why… Lawmakers decided.. safety of human life verus the gunslingers of the Wild West days.
          Prisons are full of none violent offenders but by mandate of lawmakers they serve mandatory sentences. Yet, serial killers go free to buy as many weapons as possible.
          Say what you will about gun ownership, whether for or against, Americans are not safe in large crowds. So thanks NRA and the lawmakers you support.

          1. John Owens says:

            Yes. Thank you NRA. A group of true patriots helping hold on to eroding freedoms in the face of communist advance. Nobody gives a crap about Australia except Australians. I’m sure they are granting visas.

        5. Rev Roger P Myers says:

          You sadly are very nieve, as well as misinformed. The Supreme Court has repeatedly up held the individual right to keep and bear arms. I personally have never been able to purchase a firearm without a background check. For handguns it is mandated by the Federal Government. Most ever state requires training and licensing as well as fingerprinting if you actually want to carry a gun concealed on your person. Sure there are a few exception. Arizona and Vermont are two that come to mind. Criminals intent on killing people will always find a way. Cars and trucks are great mass killers, bombs of many kinds are both easy to make and kill many people easily. 911 showed us how well large airplanes can be used. Would you also put law all of these. I could go on and on pointing out common every day things that can also do a good job of killing. Use that good brain God gave you and think about what you say.

        6. Matt metz says:

          Your interpretation of the constitution is filled with errors, it absolutely was intended for all citizens to possess weapons equal to the military to prevent an tyranny from taking power away from the people. If you wish to give rights away just give up yours, I’ll be keeping mine at any cost, that’s the price of freedom.

        7. Jim says:

          “[C]riminals in England, mainland Europe, Japan, etc. use mostly knives, not guns.”

          Fine. You come to my house in the middle of the night with your knife. I’ll be there with my gun. Let’s see how that works out for you.

      4. Bob Long says:

        Well said

    2. Jeffrey says:

      I second that! And look at it this way! For the one guy who goes crazy with a gun..there were still 299,999,999 million people that didn’t shoot anyone that day..those odds can never be refuted as to what gun control means.. I will take 300 million guns protecting us and our land than taking them all away and leaving us for the slaughter of a invading nation!!

      1. Threedogs says:

        Say that to the families of the dead.

        1. Chuck says:

          Threedogs…..another throw the baby out with the bathwater Liberal, Im guessing.

          Cars kill hundreds of thousands a year…lets ban em. Hospitals/Doctors kill THE MOST people in this country…lets ban healthcare too. No??

          Tell that to the families of the dead.

        2. JD says:

          People are already saying that to the families.Note,even family members who have had a family member shot and killed are saying it..Not much on or for weapons but Emily doesn’t get facts just rhetoric from others.Hammers and knives kill more people in a year than guns.

        3. Bob Long says:

          As Archie bunker said would you rather he pushed them all out the window. Evil is the issue. Not firearms. Please feel free to move to Australia or Britain where cops don’t even carry guns.

        4. Rev. RJ Levesque Jr says:

          Oh go stick your head in a toilet drama queen….you HAVE to be a liberal!

        5. Heather says:

          I think we can disagree without the hate folks.
          I think it is ridiculous that they NEVER share the stories about people who HELPED and saved someone’s life because of their personal choice to carry a gun. There are lots of those stories, but they refuse to report on it. Always remember, just because they over sensationalize something does not mean it is the only view.

    3. Thomas Bodnar Rev. life church of forgiveness says:

      I agree we asfree men need to protect out cominuities . ban stupidity get the criminal element off our streets why are we not getting the truth about LAS VAGAS? all thos guns and a maid or bell boy didnt see any thing all that ammo? come on its a set up to ban us law abiding citizens from owning guns

    4. Linda says:

      Guns don’t kill people, people do. The issue is more about the early identification, resources, and assistance for resolving mental health problems. Both of the recent largest mass murderers, Pulse Night Club and Vegas, were from Florida. Florida ranks about 49th in the nation for mental health resources. Both these mass murderers had mental issues and came from one of the worse states to help them.
      If not guns, then something else would have been used. Armed civilians keep our capitalistic government in check. Check out some of the aggressive eminent domain and civil seizure tactics being used now. Honorable armed citizens keep the tendency to be a zealous power-hungry government in check. Addressing mental health individually and as a society should be the big issue instead of gun control.

      1. Bob Long says:

        Well said

    5. Mike says:

      I owned and have owned guns all my life. I was a marine and my daughter is. But any firearm with a 30+ round magazine is meant for one purpose. Seems to me the debate should be do you believe in a zombie apocalypse? Pretend military units will not protect citizens they will defend themselves. I too pray for peace for the alternative seems irreconcilable.

    6. Bob Long says:

      Well said

    7. Reverend Roger P Myers says:

      Yup, you’ve got that right. Don’t leave home without your gun.

    8. Daniel Hatch says:

      Calling 911 and getting police on site in less than 3 minutes is not all that possible in today’s America. Be you conservative or liberal, if someone decides to perform a home invasion on your household, you will still likely call the police. Who else would you call? — Colin Kaepernick?? Get real. Therefore, I will remain armed and defend myself and my family the best I humanly can until the police arrive, if I had time to call 911. If I look out my living room window and see an Antifa/BLM person with a Molativ Cocktail in hand, looking right at me through that window and smiling at me, I think I may be tempted to shoot that person as fast as I can and not wait for 911.

      1. A Chuck Bezio says:

        Sadly a woman did this and the police accidentally shot and killed her the day before her wedding. Relying on government is not always a good thing. People in Pureto Rico relied on government and look where they are now. More have died since the hurricane than did during the hurricane. There is a need for government but rely solely on government is dangerous.

        Church of Love ❤️ and Light ⭐️ Minister Charles and Jennifer invite you to like them on Facebook https://m.facebook.com/Church-of-Love-and-Light-1716171341958311/?ref=bookmarks

    9. Patricia Lish says:

      I’m pro gun. And I have the right to carry. Would I kill a mass of people. No. But then I am not mentally unstable. All these mass shootings are pointed at the gun. I have never had any of my guns go off on their own. It takes a human to press the trigger. Evil exists. Good does to. Either way I’m prepared Holy Bible in one hand a 45 in the other

    10. mike says:

      I agree James, What Emily needs to understand is more gun laws will not make any difference, does she need proof,look at Chicago. Vegas shooter millionaire. The fact is if you want a gun or any weapon you can get it on black market. So more laws cost us the tax payer more money. You can’t punish millions because of a few. All we can do is pray daily for our country and family.

  2. James says:

    Being for or against firearms… The fact is… no matter how much “gun” control is imposed, criminals have no interest or reason to follow said “laws”. Laws are only useful for ppl that follow them. Stupidity, Greed & Murder can not be regulated.

    1. Minister Nadar hopkins says:

      well said , we still need to protect ur selves, I live in Detroit and the corrupt and the fearful hold the righteous back from doing any good.

  3. Steve says:

    Outlaws will NEVER follow the law, period. For My Family, Friends and myself, I will carry and be ready to protect and pray that day should never come.

  4. James says:

    Gun restrictions might look good on paper, but they will surely have unintended consequences? Consider how many mass shootings there has been in Montana & Texas… Liberal gun law states? Shooters want unarmed groups, unarmed cities. Easy targets where the victims are unable to defend, has minimal protections or egresses to any great extent. Crime follows few laws… Why pass them?

    1. James says:

      PS:… The world going to the dogs? Forget the dog. Beware of owner…

    2. Rene L. says:

      So which citizen stopped the shooter in Vegas??? Who of all the people in the hotel and on the street had a gun to stop this shooter??? It was police, the people trained and qualified to carry who ended this tragedy! The argument perpetrated by the NRA that we need our own guns ‘to defend ourselves’ is BS! The NRA need all of us to believe this so they have a continuing source of MONEY, and a reason to continue. It is an unusual event where a private citizen actually ended one of these tragedies!

      1. Bob Long says:

        What a foolish thing to say. Everyday guns in the hands of responsible law abiding citizens stop bad guys. The liberal media does not report those acts of self defense so leftists like you pretend they never happen.

      2. John Owens says:

        Not nearly as unusual as the left would lead us to believe. It happens every day, but generally goes unreported by the mainstream, since they seek big government control.

      3. mark smith says:

        The LV shooter was not stopped by police. He stopped himself, probably when the weight of what he had done caught up with him.

  5. Gary Shade says:

    Emily Young you really don’t know your subject very well. ALL COMMERCIAL FIREARM SALES are subject to the NICS check (National Instnt Check System). Your statement that only 19 states require background checks is patently false.

    You ask how.much longer before a new mass killing record is set? No one has broken the old record: 250 innocent Lakota Indians, women and children, killed at the Lakota Pine Ridge Indian reservation near Wounded Knee S.D. in 1890. The murderers? The US government.

    Hopefully it will be a long time before a new record is set.

    1. Thomas Bell says:

      Gary Woods well said, I’m a minister in Arkansas please contact me or send me your web address 2 Belle House Cafe at live.com

  6. Carl Elfstrom says:

    Too bad there were’nt any well trained, decent snipers with assa ult rifles attending that concert. This country has lots of veterans with such abilities. They could have shot that deranged psycho right out of that window and let him experience a pre-fall on his way down to hell. We need more good people with guns to show up at all events. And in the name of all Gods and and Goddesses I pray. Amen and Blessed Be !

    1. matt c says:

      Having counter-snipers set up and ready to go would require a Police State, something the Globalists are working on. Two shooters in separate locations would’ve been too much for even a qualified sniper to counter; let alone the average CCL owner; fish in a barrel, the crowd was. This incident, like so many others, was not some angry jihadist, but about creating the need for gun control.

  7. Larry Copeland says:

    Emily Young you made a lot of complaints about people having guns what weapon made this a free country words on paper? Individuals with privately owned guns? People hiding behind others who died to be free speaking, free traveling people, there is no country made free without weapons.

    1. Thomas Bell says:

      That is correct we all carry weapons but our greatest weapon is the word of the law God’s law.

    2. Bob Long says:

      She has an agenda and does not care about yours or mine safety

      1. James collins says:

        Give an American a gun and he’s ready to take on the world. When our forefathers wrote that amendment a gun was a necessity (hunting , protection ) a way to survive. Yes own a gun not a arsenal.

  8. Todd says:

    The person for gun control has some mis stated facts. Please go to a gun store and try and buy a gun. Not as easy as she makes out. Every state is required to perform backgroun d checks when buy a weapon. I have yet to purchase a rifle or handgun and not do a background check. Do background checks work? A resounding Yes! Just ask a gun store owner. If the person doesn’t self disqualify on the form the fbi check disqualifies them from getting a weapon. She shouts about money given by the NRA what about the millions just this last year given to politicians from planned parenthood.. millions of babies killed by a organization that was founded on eugenics NRA members are not the ones killing people. A gun club weeds out the wackos quick from its ranks.

  9. Raymond T. Cottrell says:

    I agree with the comment posted about over reacting. I do agree that something needs to change. I see nothing wrong with background checks being made more thorough nor do I see nothing wrong with certain members of society being restricted from owning guns (criminals, etc.) I agree with the “from my cold, dead hands” statement – I have a right to bear arms and will continue to advocate for that right – but at the same time, there is a need for change.

    1. Thomas Bell says:

      I don’t think there should be any gun restrictions at all. Because I know a guy that just got out of a mental institution 3 days ago went and bought a gun went through the restrictions and still got the gun I know a law-abiding Bank executive that did something when he was really young went to try to buy a gun and could not. We look for our government to take care of all our needs.we should look to We the People to do the same thing!

    2. Wanda Samuelson says:

      There already are background checks. We need a proactive approach to making mental health as important as physical health. More classes in school about conflict management, respect and sanctity of life, values and healthy life choices. These are the things that will make a difference. NOT gun control laws. Just look to the drug laws and how much that has helped solve drug addiction, death and destruction.

  10. Miranda Allison Young says:

    Gun control is a misnomer. What we need to control is not the guns but who buys them. We need strict background checks to keep the guns out of the hands of the wrong people. Nevada has the laxest laws in the US. Maybe this person would have passed the check and maybe he would not. However, we would be able to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or perhaps in some other way would be a bad risk. Yes, criminals can always find a way to get them, but this would at least help.

    1. JOHN MAHER says:

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      1. Thomas Bell says:

        Hopefully you don’t have a gun because by your statement you show me that you’re already on stable and if you’re a minister we should have greater restrictions on that.

      2. matt c says:

        John, your Hillary is the thief, the liar, the murderer, and Globalist criminal in general. Please go seek your therapy in your safe zone, and leave us Americans alone now.

      3. Bob Long says:

        You are EXACTLY the type that is too childish and irresponsible to own a firearm. Yet I’m sure you can legally buy one. The question is when will you wig out? If you have not already done so

    2. matt c says:

      It’s a dangerously slippery slope when we start advocating intense background checks (based on what criteria?) to maintain our “God given Rights”. Your medical background is more protected than your right to protect yourself. If we allow one group to set the standards for the rest of us, and don’t even hold them accountable to the same rules, we are beyond a debate about the topic.

  11. Wendy says:

    If you’re going to argue one side of an issue, at least know the real information. First, what do you consider an assault rifle? It’s a completely meaningless phrase. Second, there are always background checks, they just aren’t necessarily FBI checks. Some of the laws are state laws. Some states allow people who have permits for concealed carry to be exempted from the purchase background check because they’ve already been through a background check. Know the laws before you make statements about them. https://www.criminalwatchdog.com/faq/background-checks-for-guns
    Third, “developed countries” were cherry picked for the study that is always referenced. This article explains the strange inclusion of Chili (developed?), yet exclusion of Mexico (specifically because of the drug-related violence that would skew the data more in favor of the US) https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries
    Fourth, violent crime has be steadily decreasing since ’96. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-26/us-crime-rate-rises-slightly-remains-near-20-year-low

    1. matt c says:

      I’ve been a CCL holder for over 20 years, and never did I buy a gun w/o a BGC. As far as anyone knows, only criminals avoid the laws. The FBI who was involved in too many crimes to count, including the first WTC attack, protecting Whitey Bulger and Hillary Clinton, should not be the moral compass for us. The MSM should not be allowed to steer this conversation, especially since they’ve been caught lying more than politicians have.

  12. Wendy says:

    And don’t forget this story that completely backfired on the reporter who tried to prove that background checks don’t work: http://www.dailywire.com/news/21897/flashback-reporter-tries-prove-buying-assault-ryan-saavedra

    1. John Owens says:

      Excellent point, Wendy.

  13. Keith says:

    What do you expect.
    Do you ever see a victim picture or their name? If you do it is for a few seconds. BUT the shooter gets hours of media time!
    Why?????
    Because the media wants to pull us in and keep are curiosity going like we are reading a book.
    If the media would never show a picture or name the shooter we will have fewer shootings.

  14. Chuck says:

    We have the right to bear arms for a very good reason. Because our founders knew the powers that be wouldn’t rest even after the Revolution. They knew outside forces would try to subvert our government, and guess what?…..they already have!

    The last check on the list to toppling us, is disarming us, so that satanic world government can absorb us like they have the rest of the world, and then it’s game over.

    The headquarters of satanic world government is the United Nations. They wrote up the “international small arms treaty” to disarm the world and us. Since then they have had our corrupted politicians railing on it every chance they get. And isn’t it interesting…..all these mass shootings began at the same time the order came down from the united nations to disarm us? Hmmmm. Sound crazy? The Nazis and Communists used the very same tactic to disarm their people.

    Know what else is interesting? The United nations is using the left (ie- satanic left hand path) to try to disarm us…..so I guess it makes sense that every mass shooter has been a registered Democrat.

    We must remain armed to defend the flock!

  15. Minister Anthony Longstreet says:

    What happened in Las Vegas was due to how the government did to his father. So when the man got older the man collected his arsenal and set out to get even and shot as many people he could and then took his own life.

  16. Ed says:

    First, taking away guns, like many say for Australia, WON’T stop mass shootings, as there are still some: https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2016/06/no-mass-shootings-the-myth-of-australia-gun-control-policy/

    16 mass shootings stopped by “good guys with guns:” http://blog.uritraining.com/?p=88 (and there’s more, just search)

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/new-jersey-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit/ in this article, we see what it’s like, to make gun ownership almost impossible, like in NJ. The woman had a RESTRAINING ORDER, and STILL had to wait for months. Cops can’t be around 24/7/364. A the RO is PAPER! The psycho ex breaks in, and stabs her repeatedly, and she dies…but let’s focus on “guns bad.”

    You want to talk about school shootings? How about Kent State, where college students protested Vietnam. The National Guard came in, then as they were leaving, were ordered to turn and open fire on them: http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Kent_State_Shootings?rec=1595

    How about a local US government oppressing the people to make changes, and opening fire on the people? The response was WWII vets seize the armory, and take it back. This for those who think that citizens owning a gun can’t do anything about the government with its guns: http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

    1. Thomas Bell says:

      I love the way you quantify your statement good job.

  17. Chuck says:

    There is a very good reason we have the right to bear arms, and that it was never meant to be a short-term right. Our founding fathers knew that subversion from the old world powers we ran away from to come here, would not end with the end of the Revolutionary War. The royals of the old world serve and have always served Satan, and his grand plan of world dictatorship (now known as Globalism). It is why the British Empire ran all over the world, in setting up its framework.

    Today, the headquarters of the framework for this plan is the United Nations (hence the name). They have used almost primarily the Left (Left Hand Path of Satan, btw) in this country to subvert us, and have done exactly that. Our government is sadly no longer our own. The final step in bringing down the United States is to disarm us. So some years ago, the UN put together the “International Small Arms Treaty” to do just that, and our traitors in government signed on to it. Implementing it however, is another story.

    So, they have gone to an old tactic (used by the Nazis & Communists) of orchestrating mass shootings to convince us to give up our right to defend ourselves. If you recall, these mass shooting started right around when Obama took office, which is the same time the UN gave down the order to start pushing to disarm us. Incidentally, ALL these shooters have been registered Democrats….Hmmmm. They have also all been on psychotropic drugs (paxil, Prozac, etc)….Hmmmmmm. And btw, every mass shooter and Presidential assassin in US history has been a Democrat/Socialist, because this plan of destroying us has been in place since day one.

    Satan cannot have his New World Order with armed Christians running around. This is also why media, Hollywood and the left specifically bash Christian Americans on a routine basis. Our patriotism is a threat to their plan, because this New World Order is planned to consist of a handful of World Unions comprising it. They already have the Soviet Union, European Union and African Union in place. Whats left is a Pacific Union, North American Union and South American Union. And they know full well, North America will be the biggest obstacle.

    So stay armed brothers and sisters….. we must protect the flock from this rising evil.

    “When people fear government there is tyranny. And when government fears the people, there is Liberty” – Thomas Jefferson

    “A nation that would give up some of its liberties for an added amount of security, deserves neither” – Benjamin Franklin

  18. Zea Weis says:

    I’m from the Detroit area and Detroit is now the most dangerous city in the US. Detroit there are strick gun control and you know who has the guns. I stand by the second amendment. When I see police officer’s having to stand down and watch a city burn…I’m not giving up my gun. I live now in an area that I can put my dog outside at night and I don’t have to worry, its nice. This area I live in everyone has a gun…Its a poor area so there is a lot of hunting to put dinner on the table.
    I do beleive one of the main issue is state line. Gun laws don’t match up and this should follow federal law..

    1. Dr Asha Sharma says:

      We all have forgotten why we have guns under the constitution,it was to protect against foreign enemies and to protect the country in which we live and love. Now we kill each other a self genisice of our people. We need to stop selling bulits and if you want to hunt limit on quality of bulits

      1. Robert Messmer says:

        Sorry doctor but you are wrong. Not to protect against FOREIGN enemies but for self defense against ALL enemies. The right of self defense is a God given right, the Constitution was simply to assure that we would always have the tools necessary.

        1. John Owens says:

          Correct, Robert. The 2nd amendment had nothing to do with hunting, but protection FROM government and in some areas, in lieu of government. The problem is not the availability of ammunition but we are, as a society, reaping the fruits of liberal thinking and child-rearing.

  19. Mark Hannon says:

    Evidently the U.S. House and Senate passed H.I. Res. 40 in February of this year. Pres. Trump promptly signed it. This resolution reversed an Obama era regulation that would keep guns out of the hands of many mentally ill people.
    How ironic.

    1. Gary Shade says:

      Mark Hannon: “Evidently the U.S. House and Senate passed H.I. Res. 40 in February of this year. Pres. Trump promptly signed it. This resolution reversed an Obama era regulation that would keep guns out of the hands of many mentally ill people.
      How ironic.”

      Not true. Your post is misleading at best and a downright lie at its worst. The Obama EXECUTIVE ORDER was one that denied tens of thousands of seniors on social security their 2nd amendment rights.

      The previous administration had proposed requiring Social Security to search its records and report people receiving disability benefits or supplemental income payments and who had someone else managing their finances, deeming them “mental defectives” who shouldn’t be able to buy firearms.

      Republicans said that trampled on Second Amendment rights by casting too wide a net.

      “It results in reporting people to the gun ban list that should not be on that list at all,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican and chief sponsor of the effort to repeal the Obama rule. “It deprives those people [of] their constitutional rights and, in a very important way, violates their constitutional rights without even due process.”

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/senate-votes-undo-obama-administration-gun-rule/

      1. Minister Jerry says:

        Excellent response. I was guardian and fiduciary executive for my parents when they got older. This was done for their convenience, and to have the assignment made well before they reached the stage of requiring a judicial assignment due to advanced age. Obama’s order would have prevented them from having guns in their house or possession. My father was a WWII Pearl Harbor survivor, Korean and Vietnam veteran. My mother was a Marine veteran.To say they weren’t capable of possessing a firearm is ludicrous.

  20. Wendy says:

    No, that’s not what it was. The Obama regulation allowed citizens who have their social security checks sent to a third party for management to be refused the right to gun ownership without due process. It has nothing to do with mental illness. It was a very specific violation of Constitutional rights. That was rectified.

    1. Lisette says:

      You don’t have a payee on a disability check without mental incompetence. Period.

      1. Gary Shade says:

        That is just not true at all.

      2. Minister Jerry says:

        You are sadly misinformed. There are many people who have their finances handled by a second or third party due to convenience or other reasoning, and not via mental incompetence. It was a bad Executive Order, not authorized by Congress, and it was revoked. If you feel the order had merit – then contact your local elected representative to have it made into law – LEGALLY…

  21. Minister Nadar Hopkins says:

    Licensing Liberty
    “No State shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee, therefore (Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105)
    “If the State converts a right into a (liberty)into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and the fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity.” (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama,373, U.S. 262)
    “When injustice becomes “Law”, Rebellion becomes duty”. (Judge Advocate & Minister Nadar Malik Hopkins, sui juris)
    Statues are not Law
    “Statues are not Law “, to be convicted up under a statue you must have consent. A statue is not a law (Flournoy v. First National bank of Shreveport, 197 La. 1067, 3 So 2d 244, 248), A “Code’ is not a law,” (In Re Self v. Rhay, Wn (2d) 261) in point of fact of law,
    A concurrent or joint resolution’ of legislature is not,” Law,” (Koeing v. Flynn, 258 N.Y. 292, 179 N.E. 705, 707; Ward v. State, 176 Okl.368, 56 P.2d 136, 137; State ex rel. Todd v. Yelle, 7 Wash, 2d. 443, 110 P2d. 162,165,
    STATUE. [Blacks Law fourth edition] The written will of legislature, solemnly expressed, according to the forms prescribed in the constitution; an act of legislature.
    United States Supreme Court Decision- the common law is the real law, the supreme law of the land, the code of regulations, policy and statues are “not the law”, [Self v. Rhay, 61 Wn (2d) 261]
    United States Supreme Court Decision- “All codes, rules, regulations, are for government authorities only/ not human creators in accordance with GODS laws. All codes, rules, and regulations are unconstitutional and lacking dues process… “[ Rodrigues v. Ray Donavan(U.S. Department of Labor) 769 F. 2d 1344, 1348, (1985)

    1. Rick Plymale says:

      I don’t know who fed you this rubbish, but none of those cases make the statements that you are attributing to them. Not one single case even suggests that statutes are not law – NONE OF THEM.

      “When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” is from the papers of Thomas Jefferson.

      I’ve worked in the legal field for over 30 years. Being retired, I am now a case law research analyst providing briefs for legal cases, both civil and criminal. Your case citations are all fabrications.

      You are also way off on your attributions. The Self v. Rhay case was the Supreme Court of the State of Wisconsin, not the U.S. Supreme Court. You’ve also misused the term “sui juris”. That means the person is “of age”. And the reference to Judge Advocate & Minister ……whoever……is a non-entity. They don’t exist. (BTW, a Judge Advocate / Minister would only apply in Parliamentary law (such as in Australia or India) so there would be no application to the United States.

      I’d suggest you actually do some case law research to find ACTUAL cases to support your position and not spew out some diatribe and hyperbole that you read on some conspiracy theorists blog.

      1. Minister Jerry says:

        Most excellent response Sir – I commend you for your post.

  22. Takker says:

    There are no valid arguments for average members of the community having guns in their homes, only excuses. However the United States has all those guns in the community so getting them out of the community would be almost impossible and so expensive it would send the country to the wall.

    And for those that say they need a gun to protect themselves, that is not your job, protecting the community is the job of the police. Of course the United States has another big problem with police violence against the community so that is a whole other issue.

    1. Gary Shade says:

      Takker – you contradict almost every one of your anti-gun arguments with the pro-gun rationale on WHY we as free men and women should be armed. Especially in our own homes.

      What do you mean “it’s not your job”?? It is my job to protect my family and property from unlawful force. It is my moral obligation to see to it that innocent lives continue and to stop evil when confronted with it.

      The police are a mop up crew that our own U.S. Supreme Court has said in opinion after opinion do NOT have a legal obligation to protect anyone. You are just plain wrong in your assertions.

      You say that “There are no valid arguments for average members of the community having guns in their homes, only excuses.” Are you kidding? You must be from another country to hold that belief.

      Hunting, personal protection, gun collecting, competitive shooting are all valid reasons to own firearms. But the most important to me is that it is my Constitutional right.

      Lastly you state that “Of course the United States has another big problem with police violence against the community so that is a whole other issue.” No it is the same issue.

      The 2nd Amendment is not there to guarantee a right to hunt, or collect firearms. All valid reasons to own them as pointed out previously. The 2nd amendment is there to ensure as free men and women, we remain free and can resist an oppressive and tyrannical government.

      You seem so ill informed it saddens me.

    2. Roger says:

      Depending upon where you live in the US, police response time varies, but the nationwide average is 18 minutes. During a violent crime the police normally arrive after the crime has occurred. Then their job is to document the crime, collect evidence and try to find the perpetrator. This is “their job”.

      Someone or some gang with a gun, a knife, or a big stick is breaking into your house. Its called a home invasion and is very common in the US. Many times this is in the middle of the day. These criminals are brazen and fearless. Your options are: 1) call 911 and go hide, or run away if possible try to stay alive for the next 18 minutes or so, or 2) defend yourself, your family and your home with your legal firearm. Which would you choose?

      Also, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I know that is a common saying, but its a fact. The majority of mass shootings have occurred in “gun-free zones”. This is not by accident. What do Baltimore, Hartford, Salinas CA, Washington DC, Oakland, San Bernardino, and Chicago have in common? They all have very restrictive gun control legislation, and they all have some of the highest murder rates. All that gun control legislation does is tilt the balance of power towards the criminals and away from their potential victims.

    3. Chuck says:

      Takker…… criminals don’t follow gun laws. So gun laws would only disarm law abiding citizens. And by the way, just because there are police, does not invalidate my ownership of a firearm at home. There is a fire department too, but I still keep a fire extinguisher at home.

    4. Jim says:

      Takker,
      Do you have armed police surrounding you 24/7 to protect you everywhere you go? If you do, you must be a politician or a billionaire.

      Assuming your are neither a politician or a billionaire, let’s say someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night. You dial 9-1-1. The average response time is 10 minutes. Are you going to ask the intruder to sit tight for 10 minutes, the average response time for police, and wait to commit acts of violence against you and your family? Good luck with that. As Gary Shade said, the police are a clean-up crew. They will collect evidence, much of which will probably be your blood and your family’s blood. They will call the coroner to bring the bodies to the morgue… Oh, that would be your body and the bodies of your family members. If you’re really lucky, the police will find a fingerprint or a bloody shoe print that will eventually lead them to apprehend the guy that killed you and your family. Well, I guess it’s not so lucky for you, but it is for any future victims the perpetrator would have had if he had not been caught.

      Your comments are naive and ignorant. YOU are ultimately responsible for your safety and the safety of your family. Not the state or federal governments. “To Protect And Serve” is just a sticker on the side of a car and has no more meaning or authority than a bumper sticker that says “Honk If You’re Horny!”

      It’s people like you, Takker, that are content to disarm good, law-abiding citizens and leave criminals as armed and dangerous as ever. Without fear of armed resistance, criminals will attack with reckless abandon knowing their own lives are not at risk.

      Do us all a favor, Takker. Please post a sign in front of your house that reads, “No Firearms Here.” Let’s see how long that lasts.

  23. Mike says:

    I support gun control. Take all the guns from everyone – hunters, cops, sport-shooters, criminals, military, self-defense minded folks, everyone. And those who do the taking guarantee my safety and that of my family and friends with their own lives. Until then, proper gun control is all rounds in the ten ring.

    1. Jim says:

      Hey, Mike. Let us know when your ride on the rainbow unicorn is over.

      “And those who do the taking guarantee my safety…” Guarantee your safety with what? And if they can’t, what are you going to do about it? Guarantee your safety from whom? There are no guns… Or are there?

      Your comments are simple-minded and uninformed. The nations that are the most dangerous to live in, where you have the highest likelihood to be killed, are the ones where the citizens are not allowed to have guns. Grow up, Mike.

      1. Rick Plymale says:

        Actually, Jim, I believe Mike was being sarcastic.

        1. Jim says:

          Ummm… Oops. Sorry, Mike. If you were being sarcastic, I apologize. If you were serious, I’ll stick to my previous statement. Please let me know which way you meant it.

          1. Minister Jerry says:

            Without trying to sound sarcastic, read Mike’s last sentence.

  24. Charles Holden says:

    Rothschild and Soros are behind it all. It is no secret they hate America and want to destroy her. Guns are our only means of protecting ourselves from a government gone wild.

    1. Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti says:

      Rev. Holden, you are right. America is free because we were armed in the revolution, which started when the British Army tried to disarm the colonists. An armed people is a free people. Slaves do not own weapons; free people do. No government has any de jure regulation over guns, only unconstitutional de facto gun-control laws. Those who want to reduce “gun violence” really want to reduce gun rights to the point where we don’t have any rights at all.

      The phrase “shall not be infringed” does not appear anywhere in our founding documents except in the Second Amendment. Soros and company like to help those who want to destroy all our freedoms. Gun control has less to do with guns and more to do with control. Millions of defenseless people died in the 20th century because they were unarmed and incapable of defending themselves. This includes deaths at the hands of genocidal governments as well as deaths due to other types of criminals. Never give up your God-given gun rights.

      Don’t be afraid. Trust in God, who helps those who help themselves. A great way to help yourself is to validate your second amendment rights.

      All the best, and may God bless you.

  25. Minister Richard says:

    Californians have the right to bear arms. They live under such severe restrictions, that they might as well not have them at all. Do we want these restrictions for all 50 states? Our constitution says we have the right to bear arms. It does NOT say what type. What if we get restricted to being able to only bear black powder weapons (like what was envisioned by the authors)? Technically our right isn’t being removed…. we, as responsible gun owners need to face facts. Either we police ourselves, and keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and unauthorized people, we ARE going to start having severe restrictions places on us.

    1. Robert Messmer says:

      I have heard this black powder musket argument before. At the time of the enactment of the 2nd Amendment, guess what – black powder musket was the best military weapon in the world. So yes the Framers were indeed authorizing military grade weapons for civilians (further backed up by The Federalist Papers). Another way of looking at it would be that at the time of the enactment of the 1st Amendment the Founders had no concept of radio, television, internet or even a national newspaper so then freedom of speech should not apply to those “new fangled technologies”.

  26. William R Schors says:

    You cannot just walk into a gun shop and buy a gun. All states require a store to perform a background Check.

  27. Minister Robert says:

    America is the land of the free Douglas Martin is correct. Like it or not, gun ownership is constitutionally protected here America, and rightly so. In every way, personal firearms are a symbol of freedom. Freedom from government tyranny, freedom of self-defense, and freedom of recreation. These values are quintessentially American, and we should think long and hard before compromising them.

  28. James Slack says:

    To All Conerned
    No matter how much gun control they try to implement, it will never work. I’m a pro gun and want to be able to protect my family and others it need be. To put more restrictions on guns will only invite more problems and soft targets. If we had more stricter laws and use them we might cut down on the problems that can arise. I’m tired of seeing my brothers in blue or others getting shot. Along with law bidding citizens. It’s time we take a stand to end the violents. Back in the days they took care of bad people. Thanks for listening and God Bless you All and America

  29. James says:

    You can remove every thing you think is a weapon, and an evil person will find a way to kill you. Look at the prison system. Newspapers, poop, and time = a spear that will stab you in the guts hard enough to hospitalize you and infect you with every std you can smear on it. Gross, nasty, disgusting but that is what we are facing. The truth. Guns are an equalizer. Train hard and play your training will never be called on.

  30. John Benson says:

    Statistics say that each year almost 2/3 of gun deaths in this country are suicides, the rest is made up from domestic violence and gang activity with the occasional mass shooting. I would suggest seeing what we’ve become as a society…morally..etc. It sure is a problem, but taking the weapons away doesn’t fix the problem, it empowers the bad guys! These sick people will use a pencil if it would get the job done…I pray for the world! Peace to all!

  31. Renee says:

    There is no debate here. Only wasteful satire and conspiracy rhetoric. Where is the solution? Innocent people are being murdered.
    What can we do to assure individual rights and still have preventative measures in place? This is where the time should be in this discussion/ debate.. Do we need automatics? semi automatics? one round, 2 rounds? Mental health provisions. Until there is the willingness to address this serious issue in a respectful thoughtful way, nothing will change.

    1. Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti says:

      Rev. Renee, The solution is for innocent people to arm themselves. Will this deter all crime? No, but it will stop many. Criminals, including governments, prefer unarmed victims. Every year, millions of people save themselves from criminal attack by being armed. Most don’t even have to fire their weapons. When many criminals see that the proposed victim is armed, they usually turn and run. These incidents are documented by the NRA and other gun-rights protection organizations. The main-stream media will rarely or never tell you about them.

      We do not have a bill of needs. We have a bill of rights. What happened to a woman’s right to chose? A free people is free to choose automatics or semi automatics, or revolvers, etc. with no restrictions on rounds or anything else. Women should have freedom of choice in these matters. Men and women are equal under the law. Therefore, everyone should be able to choose the type of firearm, how many, what kind, and what accessories.

      The government should never be in the business of restricting gun rights on the basis of “mental health.” Who determines who is mentally ill? The government? Some anti-gun medical professional? Never ask a barber if you need a haircut.
      By the same token, never ask the government if you are mentally ill. More and more “mental illnesses” are being defined every year and the drug companies are complicit so they can make money from it. Soon, anyone who disagrees with the government will be deemed “mentally ill.” This is a slippery slope that can lead to genocide. In practice, many people who have real mental illnesses are busy coping with that and have no interest in firearms. Many choose to restrict themselves. For those who don’t and who think of attacking others, we all need to be armed.

      The most respectful and thoughtful way to address the issue is to respect everyone’s God-given right to keep and bear arms in a way that the government does not infringe.

      Peace to you and may God bless you.

      1. John Owens says:

        Excellent comments, Dr. Marion Ceruti.

  32. Tom says:

    Since Cain and Abel, Brothers have fought and died, and that tradition persists and will continue to regardless of any law regarding guns. We cannot be sheep led to slaughter either. Society as a whole is perfectly capable existing in peace, but there will always be exceptions to this. We should protect ourselves and our loved ones from evil. That being said, I do not believe it is a gun related problem we have with the state of the streets in Chicago where I live, or elsewhere, but rather one of morality and basic Humanity. We as ministers, counsel, do good deeds and pray to the universe for guidance. The question is – how do we influence what’s in the hearts of man and woman? We teach the children, we lead by example, we listen and we comfort, we show kindness. We forgive and spread profound love. We show compassion, consideration, and respect. Let’s all focus on a collective and cumulative efforts to eliminate hatred, dispare and revenge.

    A more productive debate should be on how to end the dependence (slavery) to drugs and alcohol abuse. This is a root issue. How can we make the world a place where our children, our parents, our neighbors and coworkers don’t run away from reality, but celebrate it? It begins as a mustard seed. An unwavering faith in our creator and each other. And please, don’t let the media sensationalize and shape perspective. Remember how much they magnify events. Oftentimes making things even worse. If no one’s watching, they can’t sell us soap and Viagra.

  33. Milt says:

    A college campus where an individual walked down the sidewalk stabbing over 20 people. Most weren’t aware of what was going on because there was no noise. A semi truck plowing into a crowd, bombs going off in crowds, poison gases released on trains, and acid thrown onto people. All this took place where guns weren’t allowed. Sick people will hurt of kill with or without guns. Sad but true. Stop glorifying this on the news so these sick people don’t get recognition might help more.

  34. Arnold R Mosley says:

    The gun control debate is a way to shift the blame from the perpetrator to the tool. More gun control is not going to change these individuals inherently disturbed nature. We need to stop this useless debate and remember that the Bill of Rights gives us the right to bare arms. If we allow the government to change this what is next. After the second ammendment has been adjusted to suit the current political environment they may move onto the first.
    We need to be cautious when government starts enacting change, because when they get started they get emboldened with the victory and keep making changes wether we want them or not.

  35. patrick hardy says:

    There are over 22,000 gun laws on the books now , and people want to add more , no law would have stopped the Vegas shooting , the guy was a multi-millionaire , he passed all back ground checks and did everything legal to buy his guns , Chicago has the toughest guns law in the country but every month on avg. about 60 people die in shootings , only good peole with a gun can stop stop bad people bent on doing evil, Australia and Britain outlawed guns , but they still have gun deaths why because criminals still have them and in those two countries all violent crime skyrocketed because people could not protect themselves, the only thing gun control does is to make more victims when people have no way to protect themselves and their families, saddly 89% of gun deaths in this country are suicides, which if someone wants to die they will find a way , just like people who to do evil will always find away ,

  36. Jacquelyn Kendall says:

    Given the nature of this site, I must presume that many of the respondents are ordained ministers of some sort and most are adamant about their right to own weapons which, in many cases, are useful only for killing humans. Many are capable of correcting misconceptions about current gun laws so I should also be able to presume they are familiar with the FIRST gun law, the Second Amendment. If you are a member of a “well trained militia” please raise your hand.
    Also, if your only weapons are black powder muzzle loaders you are in compliance with your “constitutional right.”

    1. Robert Messmer says:

      First off – you don’t get a “well trained militia” unless the citizens are armed first. And no, the State National Guard is not the same thing as a militia. It is called “National Guard” because any time the President wishes he can ‘federalize’ it and take control away from the State. Second – you seem to be under the misconception that the Framers were ignorant of invention and only meant the 2nd to apply to muzzle loaders. Which by the way, at that time period, were the very best grade of military weapons. Based on your contention that the amendment only applies to what existed then, you would also be giving up freedom of speech on radio, television, internet, national newspapers. No churches that did not exist in the colonies at the time of becoming a nation.

      1. Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti says:

        Rev. Messmer, you are right. The idea is that a “well regulated militia,” which appears in the text of the Second Amendment, actually means that your weapon is in good working order, you have ammo, you are well trained, and you know how to use it. The militia consists of the people bearing arms. The Second Amendment does not restrict the type of weaponry and any laws that do are unconstitutional.

        You are right again about the First as well as the Second Amendment. The Bill of Rights was not included in our founding documents to restrict individual rights, but rather to ensure that our God given rights were not restricted by future governments. We should never give up our rights for the sake of security. If we do, we will have neither and deserve neither.

        May God bless you and keep you.

  37. My_two_cents_worth says:

    I CAN’T STAY SILENT ANYMORE. I JUST WANT TO HELP….
    I am here to aid those that want gun control. I’m taking a stand and getting involved: if you or your friends have a pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle and are looking for it to be removed from your home, I will take it (permanently) and ensure it ends up in a safe place. I normally charge for this service, but I’m willing to waive my normal fees because I care. Free pickup service available under 300 miles. After 300 miles I charge a small fee. Message me today so your home can be a “gun free” zone.
    And yes I will will take all ammunition and accessories too!! I also deal in “safe” removal, and for any safe over 1000lbs, I also charge a small fee.

    1. Roger says:

      You should also volunteer to keep a record of which homes are now “gun free zones”. Make a national registry, and post it on the internet so everyone can “feel safe”. Never mind that it also gives criminals a target list.

  38. Rev. Dave says:

    I’ve been a middle of road kind of guy for awhile. However, seeing how this society is going has forced me to choose my side. Let me just put it out there…I support the 2nd amendment. While I am not really sure where I stand on Semi-automatic rifles (assault style rifles), I do agree with a citizens right to bear arms. I believe that we need to temper this emotional issue with wisdom and discernment. No matter what side of the issue you’re on, I’m certain that you would agree that “guns don’t kill people”…and that a bad guy will always be able to get a gun. You cannot blame Joe citizen with a proper license and instruction to carry a firearm for the deeds of those who choose to break the law.
    I agree that enforcing existing gun laws would probably be sufficient. I agree with banning “bump stocks”…mostly because I don’t see any useful purpose in it. I agree with taking a closer look at mental illnes and how it may or may not contribute to gun violence.
    I do not agree with the general outlawing of assault rifles. Once we set a precedent, it will be difficult if not impossible to go back.
    I submit a case for the “bad guys” will always be able to get a gun….in the UK, guns are illegal to own. I’m sure that there are special cased etc….but that is not the point. The point is that murders and assaults are committed with axes, knives, bats, hammers, and various other tools….see my point?? The shootings with guns quoted in one of the posts above gives a bit of misinformation in that a majority of that number is suicide and NOT attributed directly to an attack with a gun. All that being said, I pray for the people of Las vegas and the victims families. However, there was NO way to prevent this tragedy. You cannot stop pure Evil. You certainly will not be able to legislate Evil out of existence.

  39. Pmedic says:

    The only ppl gun control would help is the criminal. They will know for sure that they can run a muck and do as they please cause the innocent will not be able to protect themselves. It is a tragedy what happened but like most times it is the system that failed at the hotel. Not catching the red flags. As we move on in the century we need to become more vigilant. I see and deal with a lot of this in my job , every shift we have the innocent hurt by animal’s and once in a while there willl be a concealed carry person that stops the issues from escalating. The real answer is to go back to the old days and have open carry across the country. Everybody talks about how safe is really is well if you have not seen pictures from over there it’s because everybody carries weapons with them so the likelihood of something happening is greatly diminished by the outcome of everybody being protected an armed.

  40. Alex says:

    Anyone who thinks gun control is a bad thing is a complete and total idiot. Why do you need gun it’s simple you don’t.

    1. Alan Bower says:

      The fact is, you are very naive. There is a good reason for private ownership of guns. It is actually considered by many to be a civic duty, if you are capable of safe and accurate use of a gun – rifle or handgun. The 2d amendment was meant as a safeguard against a ‘tyrannical’ government’. Since guns were owned by virtually everyone at the time of the constitution, the 2nd amendment was actually added as an after thought (as most of the amendments were). They just wanted to stop people in the future from arguing against the obvious in later times. We would not have won the revolution unless so many of the population had guns. That means we would have been stuck living in the rules of a govt (England) that had no concern for the colonists opinions. We were here simply to make money for the King.
      Also, if you were versed in history, you would know that every political party in the past century that was ‘leftist’, whether Bolshevik(Communist/USSR), Nazi (Hitler) or fascist (Franco in Spain or Mussolini in Italy and now USA democrats as they are well aware Americans would never agree to forfeit their rights as the ‘left’ thinks they should-keep in mind, they would never tell you what their actual goals are-think Obamacare; being forced to buy something you do not want. It is unprecedented in US history, but the ‘left’ believes you are too stupid to know what is good for you & worse, although the supreme court allowed it, they took the leftist view it was a tax and not forcing people to buy something) needed to disarm the population before they were able to fully implement their goal of ‘State’ control. The politicians trying to take guns have no concern they will be shot in a holdup and they do not care if you do get shot. Study the history of left wing politics and figure it out. If you actually find out what todays ‘leftists’ are up to and trying to put in place, brick by brick, you would go out and buy a high caliber, large Mag rifle and start practicing regularly.

  41. Tom says:

    until every criminal in the world is gone and no more a threat I will carry a gun and protect my family.

  42. Andrew Uy says:

    Emily, in answer to your question “What are we waiting for?”. We are waiting for a way to know which human brain will be the next to lose its ability to differentiate between right and wrong in accordance with the norms of our global morality. In the United States (I assume you are in the US), we sometimes forget that laws really do go hand in hand with sanity in an attempt to combat evil. Law-abiding Citizens should be able to protect themselves because we don’t know how to determine who will snap or promote evil next. I also believe you can be Guilty by reason of Insanity.

  43. Herb Meister says:

    In recent years, we’ve also had terrorists smash vehicles into crowds. But, how could this happen? The vehicles were licensed, registered and insured. Yet, they were still used to perpetrate a crime of mass killing.

    So much for the gun control argument too. Registration, licensing, permits fill political coffers with unnecessary taxes but, do nothing to stop killing.

    Our country is quickly becoming a festering waste land of liberal stupidity and political correctness. We put criminals behind bars so Obama could go on a last minute rampage of presidential pardons.

    Enforce your existing laws, review your Bible and leave politics to the politicians. No sense in all of us burning in hell.

    1. Jim says:

      Last year in Nice, France, a crazy man drove a truck through a crowd killing 86 people and injuring over 450 more. Yet, no one has come out in favor of truck control. In this case, what is the difference between a gun and a truck? The answer is nothing. The differences are between the law-abiding citizen and the crazy man. We don’t need to control guns or trucks. We need to control crazy people.

  44. Minister KIM says:

    Putting things into perspective: It is not the Guns or devices available to people. —The problem IS the people!

    Two of the most important works ever written for direction and guidance are: The Holy Bible and the Constitution (including the Bill of Rights) of the United States. It is a pity that people in general, have ignored both of these precious “how-to” — live life — creations. As a matter of fact, both flow together and support each other in many, many ways! Only through study, research and life experience does the average person begin to realize these simple facts of life.

    It is a fact that the problems of violence in its many forms, always spawn from the individual person, the group, an organization, a strong hostile belief system or religious–political dogma. NEVER does any violence, death or destruction come forth from any inanimate object or device created by man.

    It is ALWAYS a human being that takes the knowledge and creations of man and uses them to inflict harm to another person or group of people. The problem lies squarely with the character, morals, belief and ACTIONS of individual people —NOT chunks and slabs of metal, wood or plastic. Mankind hurts mankind. For whatever excuse is given, it is the actions or inactions of PEOPLE that cause good things or bad things to happen. Notice how Biblical principals are ignored.

    When society takes what is written down as good, and changes it to include those things that are contrary to God’s purpose, then you will see the bad things that are happening now across the earth. It makes no difference where you are at, the evil and manipulation fostered and promoted by Satan are readily abundant by the discerning eye.

    Study your Bible daily! Enjoy your freedoms as the great day of GOD is going to be upon the earth and all people will hear his voice!

    Minister KIM

  45. john says:

    it is not the gun that kills it is the person behind the trigger. if you put a loaded gun on a table it will not go off . you need someone to pull the trigger . do you think that police carry empty guns? i am so tired of every one saying that guns kill

  46. JJ says:

    The only thing you were going to do by taking away guns is take the guns away from Or restrict The ones who follow the law because if a mass murderer or a criminal wants a gun they’ll get it no matter what the law says and you will never ever find or take away all the guns, If someone dies in something like this instead of being just injured and going to the hospital it is part of God’s plan for them. When you decide something like this you need to look at both sides OK so we take away the guns destroy every single gun I made available to any citizen and less pretend for a moment criminals will not be able to get them either now that leaves us vulnerable to other countries taking us over the government Taking full control of us there is a positive and a negative for everything for every action there’s an equal or opposite reaction! Why not try to enforce the gun laws that are already there first and maybe try to help with more help for mentally sick people just my opinion though

  47. Mike says:

    Gun control is a dangerous infringement on our rights as citizens of the United States of America and represents phase 1 of any type of domination of our citizens. One of the first things they history shows us is that people are first disarmed they’re riding and books of information in literature and etc. are burned in the street, teachers and individuals within elect to instruct others are taken to concentration camps . Then they take the minds of the children. If you doubt what I’m saying look at what happened in China Russia Germany and so many other countries around the globe. I am a former soldier and former law-enforcement officer, mostly part time because I believe it is my duty to help defend the neighborhoods in which I live. I carry a handgun with me wherever I go. If they restaurant will not allow handguns I don’t eat there. The laws in the state of Tennessee state that the business owner is responsible for the safety of its patrons if it does not allow them to carry a weapon on them while they are inside the restaurant. Obviously no alcohol consumption is allowed during the time the individual is there. I can tell you that it will be a sad day when Americans lose their right to keep and bear arms or that more restrictions are forced on them or that the price of aAmmunition continues to grow and an alarming rate to force the average individual to stop practicing and save to stop down what ammunition they can. I think that we should use Switzerland’s example when you leave the Swiss military there’s one thing that you take home with you. That is your rifle that was given to you while you were in service. Another reason Switzerland will never be overrun. One of the Chinese world leaders was quoted as saying that he would never invade United States of America because there was a rifle behind every door. Sometimes just owning a weapon can be a deterrent to keep the bag guys at bay it was prayer on her lips. I have a good friend that has ministered in many many states get owes and Cetera here’s my kind of preacher. He carries a 45 in one hand in that black back 66 Bible in the other. And he knows how to use both very well. May God bless you All.

  48. David Ehlinger says:

    I don’t know of any firearm that was arrested for a crime. Of course people have and they also used vehicle bombs and even passenger planes. Our firearm rights where intended to keep the people in charge and Hitler like leaders out of our government and our family from home invasions which the police cannot do.

  49. John Koenig says:

    Emily posts: “Our current laws allow just about anybody to walk into a gun shop and purchase a firearm. Only 19 states require background checks. For no good reason that I can figure out, assault rifles are perfectly legal.” Do your homework, Emily. #1: ALL licensed gun shops are REQUIRED to have gun purchasers complete Federal Form “4473” which is called into the FBI for approval BEFORE a purchaser may take delivery of a firearm. For over a decade, there has been a Federal program, “Don’t Lie For The Other Guy” educating people about the illegality of “Straw Purchases” (a legal person buying a gun for a prohibited person). #2: ASSAULT weapons are capable of FULL AUTOMATIC fire and, are HIGHLY REGULATED by the Federal government. The weapons used in Las Vegas were NOT “Assault weapons”. I do understand your ignorance on this as SO many anti-gun politicians purposely lie. If they told the truth, it would be obvious as to how truly ignorant they are. The ONLY reason for gun registration is to know who owns firearms and, where said firearms are, so as to make confiscation easier (check with the Jewish community; ask about a Mr. Hitler).

    I find it interesting Emily (and SO many others) that you cherish your FIRST Amendment Rights to try to abolish my (and other people’s) SECOND Amendment Rights. Wake up and smell the coffee Emily! Should the SECOND Amendment be abolished (or even curtailed) the other amendments will soon fall (I doubt most of the Bill of Rights would last a decade once the SECOND Amendment is gone). Magically make firearms disappear, and they will be replaced by even more lethal alternatives. As a 12 year old back in the 1960s, I had NO trouble finding the formula for trinitrotoluene (TNT) in my local public library! I can only imagine what enterprising troublemakers can find on the internet these days. In NY, other than the World Trade Center Attack (JET FUEL and aircraft), the single worst mass homicide (87 dead) was the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx (3/25/1990) by an unhappy boyfriend using a SINGLE GALLON OF GASOLINE. Maybe Emily, you wouldn’t have been as troubled if the nut job in Las Vegas had been barbecuing the crowd by hurling gasoline bombs? Tell us Emily, how hard is it to buy gasoline? A quick check shows that shootings don’t even make the Top 10 list of causes of death so, the claim of “saving lives” doesn’t ring true (as gun grabbers usually avow). In case you haven’t heard this before, “When seconds count, police are only minutes away”. The real problem is, that people are RARELY held accountable for their ACTIONS. Everybody does NOT deserve a trophy. Yes, you’re expected to work and pay your own way. I realize that sentiments like these are today HIGHLY politically INCORRECT. The Declaration of Independence states “PURSUIT of happiness”. It wisely does NOT guarantee happiness. Finally Emily, after 30+ years as a Law Enforcement Officer, I know from personal experience that any firearm is simply a tool. Like ANY tool, firearms can be misused BUT, when PROPERLY used, the right tool, at the right time, can be a lifesaver.

    Emily, you (and others) ARE entitled to your opinion. Please do the rest of us a favor and, keep that short-sighted opinion to yourself.

    1. Roger says:

      The only arguments coming from Emily’s side are from a position of ignorance.

  50. Keith Wortz says:

    In 1689, John Locke masterfully illustrated in “Of the State of Nature,” that the natural rights of all people to life, liberty and defense of one’s own self is ordained by God, not government. Regardless of any discomfort, or self denial, it may create, guns are very much a part of self defense. So, I say, taking God given nature rights and granting government power over such natural rights is to subordinate one’s own self to government rather than to God.

    However, this does not mean we can not have intelligent conversation about gun violence. Sadly, fear and ignorance dominate the national debate on gun violence. People who know nothing of firearms carelessly spew nonsensical rhetoric about assault weapons and gun control. They speak of trading away their rights for more government control as if it is their right to do so. Yet, the violent acts themselves are secondary to the debate. Can we not recognize that only fear and ignorance would drive us to subordinate ourselves to the very Governement that already violates our natural rights, restricts our faith, silences the sharing of our faith in our communities? Can we not see that the Governement’s expansion of power over us has led to the decadence of life, liberty and safety? Is this not the very decadence at the core of all violence? The answer to gun violence lies with the sharing of faith, not fear. In God We Trust; or shall it be in government?

  51. Chuck says:

    Guns and God

    Throughout the Bible it documents violence that humans do on each other. Starting from when Cain killed Abel and it goes on and on.

    Is violence in our nature? No, we have free will. We share creation with all kinds, loving to violent.

    Jesus acknowledged the need for weapons when he said for the non sinners to cast the first stone.

    As long as we share the planet we those who will do us harm there is a need for protection and defense.

    To declare up front I hate gun and don’t own one. Keep reading though you will be surprised by my thoughts on Guns.

    Today people call it recreational gun use. I call it practice makes perfect.

    Two wrongs never make a right. Over reacting to gun violence by making decisions hasty will never make the situation right.

    Look at what happened with the Salem Witch trials and hysteria that fear creates.

    Fear not Guns are the enemy. Evil feeds off of fear, hate and violence.

    Passing more laws will not stop the violence and evil in the world.

    Our forefathers had the foresight to ensure our liberty/ freedom by being able to protect our selves from the evil that lurks among us.

    I write this while News is breaking that 5 people have been shoot in MD. How can I support gun ownership and not enacting more laws and regulations when this violence is all around us? It is because all of this violence is all around us. We must be able to defend our selves and protect our Families.

    Gun laws will only make it so the good won’t have them and the bad will have an upper hand. More gun laws will not protect you or I.

    Considering more people die each day in automotive accidents and even more from the chemicals in our environment, the question should be what are we doing to solve the problems that cause more harm than focusing on those that get a big headlines, like gun violence. More people died in the Hurricanes that hit Texas, Florida and Caribbean islands this year than gun violence. What are they doing, rebuilding without using the safety precautions needed to save lives. Why? Humans are doomed to make the same mistakes over and over. Focusing on things that they believe they can affect and have a blind eye on those they can actually change.

    Until we can enforce God’s law though shall not kill. Gun violence will continue and no law will change this until all humans change.

    Until that day live in faith that our lord is your loving God and protector and that no evil will win if we don’t allow it too.

    I vote to support the 2nd Amendment because God wills us to protect our selves and defend what is ours.

    Amen

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  52. William R Schors says:

    I don’t mind emily’s opinion but she needs the facts to make a informed one. Who told 19 states only required a 4473.?

  53. Alan Bower says:

    People need to understand the reason for the 2nd Amendment. First, it was put in as an afterthought as almost everyone owned guns then. The reality is, the framers knew the only true safeguard for liberty against a ‘tyrannical’ government, was an armed population. they were correct. It has only been in the last 45 years gun violence has been a big problem, but it is not the guns, its’ the politics. The population has been divided and subdivided by the American ‘left’ by being told they have ‘enemies’, and only the ‘left’ cares. They created the hatred to get party allegiance generally, by instilling distrust and fear among ‘minorities’. Many of which were created by the DNC think tank (who can we claim is an endangered minority ?). These are the same tactics used worldwide and historically from the ‘left’, including Stalin, Hitler and Mao, etc. If we want gun violence to end, two things need to be done, and neither is getting rid of guns. We need to find a way to stop the ‘leftist’ indoctrination of young people and the weak minded, which means regaining an honest media and the ‘leftist’ infusion into every college and university. This will allow people to see reality instead of leftist propaganda and the reality is, very few people actually ever think in terms of race (except those indoctrinated to think racism is rampant).
    The second thing needed is to do everything possible to stop illegal drug selling. These are, in fact, the two motivating forces behind the surge in gun violence. And they are because of the past 5 decades of leftist propaganda, loose enforcement of smuggling drugs and poor education in the early ‘grades’ about the effects of drug abuse. In 1950’s and 60’s Washington, DC, no one would have even thought about gun control, as people were more often stabbed than shot.Outlaw knives? No. There has been a hidden hand in generating the anger in people which leads to gun or any violence, working behind the scenes to intentionally create a false narrative to enrage people to violence. Keep in mind that the left can not win on ideas and don’t want to. That is one reason they have helped to create a climate of gun violence and keep it alive, as their whole goal is to scare americans into be willing to ban gun ownership. The left, historically has banned guns before grabbing power from a confused public.

    1. Jim says:

      Alan,
      The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that the 2nd Amendment was an after-thought. I don’t think so. I think there was careful thought to the order of the first ten amendments, even thought the 9th Amendment suggests otherwise.

      The 1st Amendment tells us all the things we can do that government cannot restrict… expression, religion, press, speech, assembly, etc.

      The 2nd Amendment is there to remind government not to forget the 1st Amendment, OR ELSE!

      The rest of the amendments basically specify what government can’t force you to do (quarter troops in your house during peace time, submit to search without a warrant, incriminate yourself) and what you’re entitled to if you should find yourself on the wrong side of the law (jury of your peers, speedy trial, confront your accuser, etc.).

  54. Austin Lineback says:

    Apostle Austin E Lineback
    I have never seen a gun shoot anyone. If a person wants you dead, they will find away. The problem isn’t the gun, the problem is the bad teachings and powerless doctrines of the churches in the world. I try to teach others how to use the power of God on my YouTube. Check them out , spread the word and let’s start showing the true light and power of God to the world.

  55. Robert Bruce says:

    We are a nation of laws, not the whims of people. Our system of law is roughly based on English Common Law. These are facts, and they are undisputed (unless you’ve recently taken some kind of illicit drug). The first rule of English Common Law is the Right to Self-Defense. That is fact, and it is also undisputed. Taking the seriousness of the right to protect oneself into consideration, and the fact that the Founders of this nation wanted to make sure that The People, who are sovereign, preserved that right to protect themselves seriously enough to make one of the first amendments to our Constitution one that preserves in no uncertain terms that Common Law rule as a natural right. The restriction or elimination of said rule/right immediate takes away the status of “citizen” of a sovereign nature, and reduces that same person to a “subject,” or “peasant.” Why? Because the government of course will always be armed, and if The People are not armed, those people will have no substantive recourse by which they may preserve either their freedom or their sovereignty. People have believed that, in the past, these were ideas were fighting for and, ultimately, worth dying for.

    So, for all of you anti-gunners out there, please answer me this one important question: is your resistance to people owning firearms, that would preserve their freedom, all about the number of people who die by gun violence? Now, please be honest with yourself about that. Think about it for a second, and then decide if it’s really about people dying–or whether you have an irrational fear of firearms. I believe that this is the critical question to be asked and honestly answered.

    If you’re answer was “yes, it’s about people dying,” and you are really outraged about it, then you need to be outraged by the needless deaths of others, many more, that died the same day of the Las Vegas shooting. Eighty nine people died needlessly, violently in this country and no one…and I mean NO ONE has breathed a word about it. That’s right, 89 people. They died needlessly on America’s highways. In addition, roughly 19,000 people (almost all of them children) die in accidental poisonings every year (that would be 52 daily in this country) usually via household chemicals that you have under your sink or in your garage. And I could go on with many other ways in which people die needless that far outnumber deaths by firearms.

    So, is it really about people dying in firearms violence and your outrage over it? Or are you simply overlooking the fact that a veritable holocaust has been going on in this nation, right under your collective nose, because you are willing to sacrifice those thousands of people every year in order to maintain the CONVENIENCE of driving your cars? By the way, being licensed to drive a car is a PRIVILEGE granted to you by the State you live in, not a RIGHT. Over 33,000 people will die this year on America’s highways needlessly. Are you OK with that? And if you are, how can you assail the right to self defense over a privilege granted to you by the State to drive a car, especially when the latter ENSURES a significantly higher death toll? Are you not outraged by this? That’s an average of 89 people every single day…and if you add up the days since the Las Vegas shooting, remember to add 89 + 89 + 89, etc. for each day that passes, because on each of those days that many people die on our roads so you can have the privilege, granted to you by the state, to drive. You’re driving around the single most dangerous weapon available to the average human being in this country, and you probably haven’t even considered it. Or, somehow by some strange logic, the lives of those particular 33,000 are worth sacrificing so that you can drive–it’s either one, or the other. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The Second Amendment to the Constitution exists for one reason, and really one reason only: that is so we can protect ourselves from our government–not so much from criminals, or so that we can hunt deer. It’s hard to fight a tyrannical state with eloquent language, or with firearms that have been confiscated in the name of “safety.” Governments prefer their people to be disarmed because it’s easy to control, tax, and abuse them for their own purposes when they can’t fight back. Our own government, well at least the people on the radical Left, can hardly stand the fact that we can back up our claims to freedom with our firearms.

    The actions of a few, obviously disturbed, people is not in any way even the beginnings of a justification for attempting to deprive this People from their Common Law and Natural Right to defend themselves with weaponry sufficient to the task. The loss of the concert goers in Las Vegas was an unspeakable tragedy that should not have happened. It is not the basis, however, to rip the lynch-pin out of our own most basic freedoms by removing or restricting further the Second Amendment. If you believe that it is, I think that you should first address the 33,000 deaths a year on our roads, the 19,000 needless poisonings of children, etc., etc., etc. before you start harping about the need for “gun control,” especially since their are already over 20,000 state, local, and federal laws either prohibiting, or restricting, access to firearms in one form or another.

    I say, that if you are outraged by firearms violence, but aren’t outraged by the tens of thousands who die needlessly, and often violently, in a myriad other ways that dwarf the number of people who die as a result of firearms violence, I say that you are a hypocrite and that your outrage is an inexcusably irrational act of moral vanity.

    1. Wendy says:

      Very well reasoned.

      I wonder how many people who object to firearms ownership have texted while they were driving. Or driven when they were not entirely sober.

  56. MICHAEL R THOMAS SR says:

    HOORAH !!! John Koenig. I am going to print this out and frame it.

  57. Minister Jerry says:

    Nearly five times as many murders are committed with knives than so-called “assault rifles,” according to the FBI.

    The new crime statistics released by the agency reveal that out of 11,961 murders performed within the U.S. in 2014, 660 were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type, including single-shot long arms and “assault rifles” routinely demonized by gun control groups.

    Granted, the FBI did list 2,052 murders under “unknown firearm type,” but given the percentages of the known firearm categories, it is unlikely that more than four percent of the “unknown firearms” were in fact rifles, and less than that were semi-automatics.

    In other words, despite the calls to ban “military-style assault rifles” by anti-gun groups, conservatively less – and likely much less – than four percent of murders were committed using AR-15s, AK-47s and other semi-automatic long arms.

    This figure is a decrease from 2013.

    In comparison, AR-15s are used far less often in murders than shotguns, a fact which contradicts Vice President Joe Biden who once implied otherwise.

    That isn’t that surprising considering the recent study by the University of Chicago Crime Lab which revealed that AR-15s and AK-47s are unpopular amongst criminals.

    Overall the number of murders involving guns has plunged from 8,855 in 2012 to 8,454 in 2013 and now 8,124 in 2014, following a significant decline in gun-related violent crimes since the mid-1990s.

    violent-crime

    “…The 2014 estimated violent crime total was 6.9 percent below the 2010 level and 16.2 percent below the 2005 level,” the FBI stated.

    Guns are used exponentially more often to stop crime than to kill; each year firearms prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes in the U.S., usually without a shot being fired, meaning that guns are used over 300 times more often to save innocent lives, given the 8,124 murders committed with firearms in 2014.

    It’s also been estimated that over 56 million people have died due to gun control in the last century, according to Gun Owners of America:


    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. Subsequently, from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. Then, from 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.

    In 1938 Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were rounded up and killed.

    In 1935, China established gun control. Subsequently, between 1948 and 1952, over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.

    In 1956, Cambodia enshrined gun control. In just two years (1975-1977) over one million “educated” people were rounded up and killed.

    In 1964, Guatemala locked in gun control. From 1964 to 1981, over 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and killed as a result of their inability to defend themselves.

    In 1970, Uganda embraced gun control. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were rounded up and killed.

    More laws will not prevent what happened. The gun, or knife, or car – is a tool. It is the evil of the person wielding that tool that makes it a weapon.

    1. Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti says:

      Rev. Jerry, Thank you for posting this. You are right. Those who look at only the number of people who die from criminal gun attacks pay no attention to how may people have died because they were unarmed, or armed with a knife in a gunfight. Please continue to support Gun Owners of America, a real no-compromise gun-rights organization.

      God bless you and keep you smart and safe.

  58. dotwilson@comcast.net says:

    Good heavens! The Las Vegas shooting was done with an add-on automatic device. Those should be illegal.

    1. Chad Russell says:

      At what rate of fire should a semi-automatic firearm be capable of before we ban it?

    2. Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti says:

      Pastor Dotwilson, there is no proven evidence that a bump stock was used. The governments will not tell us what actually happened in Las Vegas. The cover up is meant to ensure that what what goes down in Vegas, stays in Vegas. The “official” account does not add up nor does it stand to reason. I listened to the recording of gunfire. As a retired scientist and a trained listener, I know from experience that this sound can be produced by a fully automatic weapon with a belt ammo feed. No single shooter with a limited magazine and a bump stock could have fired that many rounds in such a short period of time with no down time to reload. Moreover, there is evidence that more than one shooter was involved. Why were two windows broken? Some say they ran from shooters on the ground pursuing them.

      This looks like another package of lies designed to cause more restrictions on guns.

      Nothing related to arms should be illegal. That is why it says in the Second Amendment “shall not be infringed.” We need to repeal existing gun restrictions, not add more. There is no evidence that criminals pay any attention to existing laws. (That’s why they are criminals.) Why should we believe that they would follow any additional laws?

      God bless you and your family.

  59. Chad Russell says:

    Whether or not you subscribe to a higher power or something else, the fundamental right of self-preservation exists just as the molecules of oxygen you breathe and we are granted that right by our Creator/Nature. Firearms are an undeniable useful tool that allows humans to defend themselves and others from deadly bodily harm. The debate, currently, is revolving around what types of firearms should be legal. The answer comes down to this: whichever one you can safely and effectively use to preserve your life and the lives around you. I am a Minister of the Universal Life Church and if it weren’t for the Bill of Rights (of which the 2nd Amendment is a part of), maybe I would not be able have the freedom to belong in the Ministry. On the side, I teach firearms safety. I am an NRA certified firearms instructor. I have found that people’s attitudes concerning firearms is based on experience with them. If you want a better understanding of what these tools are capable of, and the deep respect needed when wielding one, go find somebody who is willing to take you out to teach you about them. But, before you do, here is a piece I wrote on my personal website that basically covers what most basic instructors will teach you. Read it. Then, go shooting. If you are afraid of firearms, face your fears. And if you’re a person in favor of gun control, if you’ve got experience with them, it’ll be much easier for others to take you seriously. http://chadallenrussell.com/chads-services/idaho-falls-firearms-training/shoot-better-faster-safer/

  60. Maureen Carr (@throwoutthebums) says:

    Chicago which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation sees 50+ people killed every month. Countries in EU that ban guns altogether still have mass murders and when the mass murderers can’t get guns they use whatever else they can find. Explosives, trucks, machetes, etc. Everyone screaming for gun control or outright gun bans would do well to read up on history and find out about all the times guns were banned in EU countries leaving all citizens defenseless against the facists, naziis and communists that found it easy to round up, throw in prison or just shoot in the street anyone that didn’t follow the party line. This will never happen in the USA as long as everyone has the means to defend themselves.

  61. Gary Shade says:

    Dotwilson: “The Las Vegas shooting was done with an add-on automatic device.”

    No it was not an “add-on automatic device”. It was a BUMP STOCK that makes successive pulls of a trigger on a semi-automatic gun faster for most people. It is not an “automatic” and it does not change the gun into an automatic. It’s a gimmick a novelty that actually makes the firearm less accurate.

    Most good shooters can pull the trigger almost as fast as a bump fire stock and they are more accurate that a shooter who uses the bump stock.

    Know what you are talking about before inserting foot Dot.

  62. Phillip Ferguson says:

    If we loose our second amendment right then what right will we loose next? Freedom of religion? Think before you jump the gun so to speak. You may feel the right to own guns should be taken away and you would never attack our freedom of religion. The next guy who comes along may want to take your right to religious freedom. Once we allow the government to take or modify one right there will be no stopping them from removimg and or changing all of them. The second ammendment protects all of the other amendment’s.

  63. LtBil Drat says:

    I have to agree with Doug. Emily lost me right after “more” gun control. If we enforced the current laws we would be better.

  64. Bill Fox says:

    There are hundreds of thousands of quality video cameras in Las Vegas. I have yet to see any quality videos of any part of the shooting. I have yet to hear an audio recording of more than the same 30 to 40 rounds, overlaid on shaky, blurry, dark cell phone videos. There should be videos from the Music event. Videos for days from the hotel. Videos from ambulances. Videos from the hospitals. Street videos from the scene to the hospitals. Videos from policemen and police dash cams. Both videos and photos of autopsies. I spent two years in a combat zone, and I have not seen a mass slaughter on video in Las Vegas.

    To ban guns, 75% of the House, 75% of the Senate will have to pass an Amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment. The President will have to sign the Amendment. Then 75% of the State legislatures will have to approve the Amendment to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

    Where are the confirming videos and audios? Where are the bills to repeal the 2nd Amendment?

  65. Stew says:

    Gun control is essential if you want another holodomor or kristalnacht. If you want less violent crime, gun control is, at best, worthless.

  66. Jake says:

    Well you have heard it all before Guns are not the problem people are the problem i will tell you from experience when someone pulls a gun on you you better have one and better not be scared to use it! in my case just showing the agressor i was armed and not afraid of them put an end to the situation several times! i would never want to hurt anyone least of all kill them but idf they start the confrontation they made a mistake i will rectify. i will also tell you killing another human is no joke and you will live with the consequences for the rest of your days wether you were right or wrong in the confrontation! As much as i would like to believe otherwise there are some really bad people in this world of ours and they only fear one thing and its not the Lord! A firearm is a tool just like our Bible is and when used properly it can Save you or others. when used improperly its a curse. there is no defending what happend in las Vegas the man was a murderer who took way too many of our brothers and sisters and harmed so many more but he has received his reward you can be sure of that. If all guns were removed from this earth would it stop violence of course not you might remember when in the bible cain slew able with the jawbone of an ASS! There will always be those who will use whatever is at hand to over power others it sup to us to take the proper steps to protect ourselves and others. i have several times when unarmed put my self in jeopardy to stop attacks on others I just cant let soemone else be victumized without doing my best to stop the attack. Ive been very lucky to be here and i know the lord was behind me still being here and having the self control to only use as much force ads needed to stop attacks without taking another life!
    So my friends dont blame the firearm blame the man using it it could have just as easily been the jawbone of an ass wielded by a mainiac in crowd! A gun is just a tool and many more people are saved by them than you will ever know we dont hear about those news stories. I pray none of you ever end up in some of the situations ive been in but in almost every case im glad is was there and prepared to stop the threat to myself or others. My full time job is a dangerous one the responsibilities are huge because so many could be hurt if i dont act in a mature and calm manner. I am sorry i cannot speak about my job to explain better but its not in the cards.

  67. skipNclair says:

    It is your God given right to provide and protect you and your’s the way you feel is best for your family. God gave all men all rights not governments, all governments take away rights, some fewer then others but no govt. has ever invented a right, they come from God. Now one of the greatest gifts God also gave man is this thing called free will and if you elect to use your freewill to depend on others for your protection and your families, I have no problem with that, but don’t think you have the right then to tell me how to exercise my free will when it comes to protecting me and mine. If you do your research on guns and I am not talking about the crooked MSM but some serious research, you will find the majority of what you are led to believe about guns in USA is false. Hammers for example kill more people then guns, knives kill more people then guns, but hey there is no agenda for them, just the guns, now who needs the guns taken away to install the will of Satan and his new world order? When you understand that, you see the main reason for all the talk and all of the shootings real or otherwise about gun control. Wake up stop using 15 second sound bites to form an opinion on anything and do the research. Put the remote away, stop with the NFL and sports, and Kim Kardashian and justin bibber etc. and take a little time to learn the truth, Are any of you sure that the shootings are real, are any positive that they happened like you were informed by govt. officials and or the MSM? If you lose your 2nd amendment which is a guarantee that your God given right to such will not be taken away, then you lose all of the amendments , then the entire system will slowly be gone, just like it has gone from being a constitutional republic to a democracy. Mao of China killed millions for the people could not fight back, Pol Pot killed millions for his people could not fight back. Stalin killed so many million most could not count that high in a week, the list is longer hoping you get the idea of why God gives man this right to protect the way he feels is best for him and his, Christ even told Peter who did not have a sword to sell his coat and get a sword, in todays world if Christ were here he would have told him to get a gun, for a man that brings a knife or sword to a gun fight is most likely going to lose.

  68. Rev. Stephen Polson says:

    We only need to look at history for answers to the Arms issue. Every time the people were disarmed the powerful oppressed the people. Nazi’s, China’ Pol pot and most recently Australia banned guns and the murder rate climbed 300%. The 2nd amendment is what guarantees the other fights of Americans. Gun ownership got us our freedom.

    This is not a thing from the past. Right now in this country there are forces that want to eliminate anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do. They are armed and expect great rewards in heaven if they die for their cause.

  69. Bob Long says:

    What the anti gunner calls an assault weapon is just at a semi auto rifle. I own 3 myself. Why? I’m a veteran is the United States Army and it is a format which is comfortable to me. I enjoy them I even have a bump stock. Why? Because they are fun. Let’s pretend all those killed were run over by a car. Do we ban cars? Who would say foolishly that we should only drive stick shifts? Instead of cars with AUTOMATIC transmissions? Hopefully none of you. We have AWFUL AND REATRICTIVE GUN LAWS. a drivers license is easier to get than a firearm and we always have drunk drivers yet we never blame car manufacturers or theDMV. This latest shooting is just another opportunity for the liberal left to grab our firearms and infringe on our rights. All because of a few loose nut jobs on the LEFT.

    1. Chuck says:

      And isn’t it funny that all these shooters of the last decade (and well before) are all Democrats?

      1. John Owens says:

        Probably sit in their parents’ basements playing video games.

  70. Rick R Williams says:

    If an intelligent person took the time to research the Governments CDC site on deaths in this nation they would finds documented facts on deaths in America and its causes. Then that person that took the time to examine the facts would be flabbergasted to learn that our doctors and hospitals kill more innocent people in one year than guns and murder does in NINE years. Now I’m not counting the hundred and fourteen thousand deaths a year by medical mistakes. I am only counting the preventable deaths caused by infections that doctors and nurses infect people with because they are too lazy to wash their hands and change their gloves between examining patients. If an intelligent person was interested in the causation of preventable deaths, then guns are NOT the culprits the Liberals and Democrats falsely claim. Gun deaths are NOT even in the running of preventable deaths on the CDC’s top 20 fatalities list. Disarming American citizens has nothing to do with saving lives. There is a deeper and evil purpose behind their gun control.

  71. Rev. David Hawkins says:

    Gun control was used in Germany in 1936. Then under the guise of making things better Adolf Hitler rose to power. Look what happened there. Without the ability to protect one’s self, a monster rose to kill millions. It has been proven guns do not kill people. They sit there waiting harmlessly for their owner to do what must be done. Yes there are the fanatics that use them to kill. How would you protect yourself or your family if attacked with nothing to use. I am all for the Second Amendment The Right to Bear Arms.

  72. Dave says:

    I just want to say how grateful I am that my manhood doesn’t require a gun to feel powerful. For all others weapon-up!

    1. John Owens says:

      Spoken like a man who has been sheltered all his life.

  73. Minister Tom says:

    I find this a fascinating subject. While I have never had a desire to procure a “bump” stock. I do own what some would call an assault rifle. When these tragic events occur, there is always a call for some form of new law or ban on whatever inanimate object was used to commit the evil act. People always seem to blame the device, not the evil person that used the device. The people that are currently beating the drum for more gun control also, quite ironically, happen to be the same people that claim that our current president is a fascist, some have even called him Hitler reincarnated. They say he is dangerous and unhinged. Now allow me to ask a simple question. Since he is the head of our government, and he is so dangerous, do we really want the government to control all of the guns? I for one am not willing to give that much power to them. These people cannot be trusted to act in our best interests. Our government is rife with corrupt career politcians that make themselves wealthy on the backs of the rest of us. Most of them end up multi millionaires after serving for just a term or two. They all have armed security and would never give that up. They do not live by the same rules that the rest of us do now. What do you think that they will do when we give up our ability to fight back? They will be completely without checks. Also criminals by definition do not follow laws, what on earth makes you think they will give up their weapons because of a new law? Someone earlier mentioned Chicago, the unending violence in that city is a national embarassment. It is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to possess a firearm in that city. The amount of people that were killed and wounded in Chicago during June of this year far exceeds the number that were affected in the horrific events in Las Vegas. This is not meant to minimize what happened, it is just a statement of the facts. One can pass all of the laws that one wants. They can put up signs declaring a “gun free ” zones. These lawmakers know full well that it has been against the law to commit murder for hundreds of years, yet people still commit murder. Our police cannot be everywhere all the time and even if they could be someone will always find a way to commit a crime. I do not ever want to have to take a life, but I refuse to go down without a fight. Jesus taught us to love those who sin against us and to turn the other cheek. But I have only two cheeks. I will always strive to remove myself and my loved ones from danger before resorting to an act of violence. But I will fight back if given no other choice. Violence may not always be the best option, but it is an option. I may still be killed, but I will go to my maker with a clean conscience. And I know that I will be forgiven. May he have mercy on us all.

  74. Debra j capansky-knall says:

    Here is my idea for overall safety, Give every law abiding american citizen with no history of severe mental illness, a hand gun of choice and a box of ammo to go with. Problem mostly solved.

  75. Dorothy J Myers says:

    It is time that we take responsibility for the rights and privileges we have been given. Just because someone has that right, when they abuse those privileges then it is the responsibility of the community….our nation to remove those rights from those abusing persons. Some situations may mean limiting those rights until they are more sound to be able to use and not abuse other by those rights. ie. When a person is deemed to be on drugs, mentally unstable or has shown aggression, I believe that the rights of guns don’t apply to them.
    If we don’t start standing up to what is inherently right for the country then we need to accept that we may lose more when others are forced to decide what is right for us. It is long overdue for us to take responsibility and be more self disciplined.

  76. Gilbert Mason says:

    RESPONSE TO ANTI-GUN:
    Nobody is saying that guns should not be regulated or that anyone should be allowed to obtain a gun. Obviously mentally sick people should not have access to guns, weather its by their own attempts to purchase one, or from a gun owner in their house hold. I agree that there need to be more strict rules on obtaining a gun. You said there were 33,000 gun related deaths in the US – suicides should be discounted since they can find other ways. You said it’s higher than other developed countries, well obviously cause they have the right to bare arms. Again, that doesn’t mean they didn’t find other ways kill or be killed.

    RESPONSE TO PRO-GUN:
    The right to bare arms originally was to resist government tyranny – true, but that was back when it was written. Today the government has such advanced technology, I don’t think your pistol is going to stop their use of nukes or an army for that matter. Not that they would need to, but if they wanted to take you down, they would. The only reason to bare arms in today’s time is to defend yourself and your love ones from criminals for that 10-30 minutes before law enforcement arrives to take over the situation.

    1. Alan Bower says:

      The response to pro gun misses the point that the military at large are trained so well in protecting the constitution as their primary function (and Americans), it is unrealistic to believe they would ever pick up arms against the American population. That does happen in back water countries where the population has the education of a forth grader, yes. The reality is, much of the potential danger would come from paid mercenaries, terrorists and that ilk. There are already a number of terrorist attacks in the US where, if a citizen had been armed, many lives would have been saved.

  77. Herb Meister says:

    An interesting thought…here, in farm country, one cannot graduate high school without a passing grade in tractor safety. Seriously. It saves lives. Maybe we should also require everyone to receive a passing grade in firearm safety. The liberals would go nuts but, the more people who understood firearms would lead to more people realizing that the problem is not the firearm… it’s the “loose nut” on the trigger.

  78. Keith says:

    So by your logic seeing that cars kill more people they should be outlawed.also hammers kill more people they should be outlawed . And knifes kill more people they should be outlawed .forks make you fat ,and pencils are the reason for errors so all of them need to be outlawed.Now more baby’s are aborted but I here that’s my right sorry can’t have it both ways you have a right but sure want to take away mine sad

  79. Bob Long says:

    Simple don’t give or sell guns to unstable liberal democrats. That is a meaningful safety precaution. It’s not the conservatives it’s the antifas the black lives matter crowd and Islamic terrorists in America that cause the shootings and the right is made to pay the price. Nice try libs but I’m not buying it

  80. don ricardo says:

    No one should needs more than two?three?guns for self-protection. This is what gun control should be

    1. Keith Pickelhaupt says:

      You are free to decide how many guns you need. I don’t need you thinking for me. I personally need a small revolver, a 9mm semi-auto, a sniper rifle, a hunting rifle, a shotgun and a paintball gun. If 2 guns are enough for you, great. But you are not my daddy, and I certainly won’t have others think for me unless they have a gun and I don’t. Which is not likely to happen.

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