Ten years ago, the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage nationwide. Now, for the first time since then, they’re formally being asked to overturn that ruling.
The case is being brought by former Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, who made headlines in 2015 for denying a marriage license to a gay couple following the nationwide legalization of gay marriage due to Obergefell v. Hodges.
Now, nearly a decade of legal troubles and a mountain of debt, she’s seeking legal restitution – and LGBTQ+ activists fear that she may have the sympathies of a heavily conservative Supreme Court.
Is same-sex marriage in trouble?
The Return of Kim Davis
As the Rowan County clerk, a significant part of Kim Davis’ job was to issue marriage licenses to couples. But in 2015, following the nationwide legalization of gay marriage, Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses to gay couples “under God’s authority,” arguing that doing so violated her sincerely-held religious beliefs in the sanctity of marriage.
Amid a lawsuit from one of the aggrieved couples, Davis refused to budge or resign her post, and she was jailed for contempt of court. A jury verdict ordered her to pay $100,000 to the couple for emotional damages and she owes the couple $260,000 in attorneys’ fees.
Davis is now formally petitioning the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell, with her attorney Matthew Staver arguing it was “egregiously wrong,” “deeply damaging,” and “far outside the bounds of any reasonable interpretation of the various constitutional provisions to which it vaguely pointed.”
“The U.S. Supreme Court should overturn the wrongly decided Obergefell v. Hodges opinion,” says Staver, “because it threatens the religious liberty of Americans who believe that marriage is a sacred union between one man and one woman.”
Will Gay Marriage Be Overturned?
Will Obergefell be overturned? That was the fear that many had back when the Supreme Court decided to roll back Roe v. Wade in 2022.
In his concurrent opinion with the Roe reversal, Justice Clarence Thomas even showed his eagerness to revisit other Court rulings based on substantive due process, including the rulings which legalized contraception access, same-sex marriage, and even gay sexual intimacy.
The Obergefell ruling is one which Davis’ own attorney calls “legal fiction,” and at least a few on the nation’s highest court agree. With a 6-3 conservative majority, and with Justice Thomas and Alito both openly showing interest in revisiting Obergefell, many anti-gay activists believe now is the time to strike.
And Davis’ case is of major interest to them because she’s believed to be one of the few individuals in the United States with the legal ground to bring a relevant case to the nation’s highest court.
What Happens if Obergefell Falls?
So what happens if Davis has her day in court, and they side with her?
32 states have enforceable laws on the books banning gay marriage. That means that in an instant, same-sex marriage would be illegal in more than half of U.S. states. In anticipation of a future legal challenge to Obergefell, then-President Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, which ensures federal recognition of same-sex marriages.
The Supreme Court will decide this fall whether to take Davis’ case, and should they accept, it will likely be heard next spring. But Supreme Court watchdogs say that some of the Court’s justices – Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett, and Gorsuch – seem disinterested in taking the case.
Still, LGBTQ+ activists say that Kim Davis’ case represents the largest risk yet to marriage equality – and they fear that in just a year, same-sex marriage could be wiped out in more than half of the states.
What is your prediction? Will the Court take up Kim Davis’ case? What will happen if marriage equality disappears?
74 comments
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Eris Brianna Caver Boyd
We are NOT a Christian nation.
We should NOT base our laws on the Bible (or any other religious text).
There is NOTHING wrong with allowing two adults to form the civil union called marriage together.
STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR RELIGION DOWN OUR THROATS!
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Lady Mutt Cat
Except, of course, that it legally is. If your god is so angry with same-sex marriage, Let him smite those dreadful evildoers. Kim Davis can go pound sand.
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Herb Kopper
I start to agree with Jerry listed above, marriage is a word that has different meanings as does the word "gay" in my lifetime. Remember the old Christmas favorite, as happy and "gay". If the purpose of gay marriage is for legal activity, whatever the reason, then it is either legal or not, but should be called a "civil union". If they want to call it marriage that is like taking the word "gay". If in reading the Bible, you believe that marriage is man-woman, then you are correct in your use of the Bible and the word as listed. If you read the Bible differently, then you have a civil union, with all rights of a marriage in the face of the law. Not too hard to see, it is more the renaming of a word and maybe not the civil meaning. Just my opinion, as too many words are changed for the benefit of some and those who don't agree are usually hated.
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Jerry A Stilwell Jr
Marriage is a biblical institution in the bible made before sin even existed. We as a people have no right to change God's laws. If the state wants to make a law to give gay couples a tax break then they should make a law for it but not call it marriage. Scripture states that marriage is solely between a man and a women, so that should not include gay couples. The bible calls it sinful. I pray for sinners to be saved but they must come to Christ and listen to the Holy Spirit for direction and be obedient to scripture. No scripture states that gay couples should be married so it should not be a law. You have freewill but you will have to answer for it on the day of judgememt. We all will. But let whoever is without sin cast the first stone. God is big on obedience. Disobedience caused Israel much hardship, even to be put in slavery. I would think long and hard about willful sin. It may be something there is no pardon for. God bless all. Come quickly Lord Jesus. Amen!
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Ari Joseph Bertine
I fail to understand how a law that allows people to do something that doesn't affect other people could be infring8ng on those other people's religious rights to not choose to do the same thing themselves. This is literally like pork being legal for everyone to eat if they want, but Jews that keep kosher are religiously restricted from doing that...and we've never seen Jews going to the Supreme Court to demand that pork be banned.
Having legal same-sex marriage be banned would absolutely infringe on my religious belief that same-sex marriage is exactly like different-sex marriage and needs to be legally. That law would pose a definite obstacle to my practice of my religion. It poses no obstacle to Kim--all she had to do was get someone else to process the marriage licenses she didn't want to touch, exactly the way the deli I worked in allowed certain employees to forego handling pork, or even raw meat in general (the vegetarian). And if they were against meat at all--why in the hell would they want to work in a deli?
Kim is a particularly vicious piece of work. She wanted the right to stop other people from living their lives according to their own religious beliefs, so she deliberately put herself in a position where that would clash with her own beliefs. And now she wants others to be punished for her unwillingness to do the job no one forced her to apply for or stay at. I hope she gets pooped on by pigeons every time she steps outside.
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
Thanks to so-called "loving christians", the mass-murder of anyone born different will soon be legal.
Remember, the holocaust didn't start with gas chambers.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
Kim Davis is a puppet... she's allowing herself to be used, essentially citing religious beliefs etc.I'm sure this isn't the first time she's allowed herself to be used. No one can become a saint without some form of self-debasement.
The Project 25'ers and the puppet Trump administration are trying as hard as they can to do as much damage as they can hoping it will take a long time to repair) before they are ousted... and their supporters' financial boons are cut short... the whole scenario is like one huge hedge fund... and they are betting against the rest of us to line their coffers.
Kim Davis is another job for the Lesbian Avengers! Kim might even find she likes it!
Which reminds me of a bit of doggerel I learned from Womyn and Avenger's Founders with whom I was arrested in various and sundry "events" from my college years and activism... one has to pass the time to release, eh? So, to the tune of "My Country 'Tis of Thee" and/or "God Save the Queen," and leaving out the really crude parts:
"God is a Lesbian A butch old Lesbian, (sometimes sung as "She is a Lesbian") God is a Dyke! Send her Victoria, Mary and Gloria, She'll **&^%%$#! with ya, God is a Dyke!
And is so many, many other things... like love and life!
I bid you peace!
Reb tk
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Cameron Lewis
I am gay, been that way all my life, the creator made me this way it isnt a choice it is in my genes. I am also Reverend and Priest in the ways of Wicca, not the big book of christian myth,fableand lies. Do i discriminate against christians ? No. Do i tolerate thier focus on the big book of myth,fable and lies? Yes, ( as i tolerate people who focus on any other science fiction based faith) Do i do last rites for them ?Yes- even using prayers and chants from the big book of christian faith,fable and lies. Funerals? yes. Marriage? yes. Baptisms? Yes. Do i question the choice of whom they choose to exchange body fluids with for the rest of thier lives? NEVER. DO I EVER QUESTION THIER FIDELITY TO THIER FAITH IN THE BIG BOOK OF CHRISTIAN FABLE,MYTH AND LIES? NEVER. That said i am so sorry, I know this is NOT the Very Reverend thing to say, but that Tw#t needs to go. People who don't practice what they preach shouldn't be given traction in the courts. Worst, she belongs to a Christian cult who plays with poisonous snakes. (AND yet she worries about where i put my penis for.pleasure and whom I choose to spend the rest of my life with) Arrggghhh, does it ever end. I AM Praying for forgiveness and direction ( FOR MYSELF AND THE TW#T). And adding May the gods give her what she deserves... That is all. Time for some tea and maybe another xanax. (Welcome.to the world of being a gay man or lesbian women in US these days)
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Edwin Wilfred Mckinney
PEACE BE WITH YOU AND ALL OF US, Let us read the word from GOD inside the Bible and ask, is it okay, in GOD eyes for the same sex to have union set for only a man and woman? Lets read and find out if, GOD allowed it and or denied that same sex is okay in his eyes.
Let us really read and find out from the BOOK, that guides us all and to live accordingly by his words. There are 10 COMMANDMENTS AND 600 other laws to which is apparent GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT CHOSE OR CHOSEN OR CHOOSE OR CHOOSES, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH.
DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
Minister Edwin W Mckinney II
LETS TALK
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El Gringo
When I read all of these different comments, I notice one idea or understanding that is missing. What is sexual attraction? Am I supposed to be proud that I am such a good person that I have never felt attracted to another man? I have been around women where I had to control my feelings because I am faithful to the woman I love and I wanted to remain faithful to her.
I am not gay and I do not find men to be attractive. Being gay is not a question of good or bad. It is about a natural sexual attraction. Some people are born gay and some are not. Not desiring men does not make me a good person. It is the way I was born. Many people are turned off to same sex attraction and so they have strong reactions to people who do things they would never do.
Science has pretty well established that gayness is a natural occurrence in many people. Common sense should help us to understand this too. Unfortunately, most anti-gay readers will discount this and not consider their feelings. They think they are good because they have never had these feelings and those who do are bad. Honestly think about it.
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Joan Marilyn Sanchez
You know Jesus said "who are you to cast the first stone." Who are we to Judge? If they want to be married, what is the harm? They don't impact my life, so why is everyone so up in arms. Everyone needs PEACE. If this makes them happy, so be it.
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Lady Mutt Cat
If Davis didn’t want to follow the requirements of the job, she shouldn’t have taken it. I have zero sympathy for bigots like her.
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Ronaldo
Ms. Davis had problems not because she chose to follow her religious beliefs, but because she chose not to do her job. Jesus specifically told His followers and others that they need to separate their religious beliefs from secular law, and marriage licenses are secular, issued by the State, not issued by the Church or God. Ms. Davis's beliefs should not have prevented her from carrying out her secular job. If we followed God's laws to the letter in all cases, then churches would be closed on the Sabbath, and Christian doctors and emergency responders would not be saving lives on that day, because they would be resting.
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Hadmels Rafmil De Frias
Dear friends, while I respect the sincerity of Kim Davis’s faith, I grieve her attempt to revoke the legal recognition of same-sex marriages. From a Universalist perspective, the heart of the Gospel is that “God is love” (1 John 4:8), and that love is not restricted to certain people, unions, or expressions of covenantal faithfulness.
Jesus consistently broke down barriers—eating with outcasts, touching the unclean, and lifting up those whom society rejected. When the law was used to exclude, He reminded us that “the Sabbath was made for humans, not humans for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27). In the same way, marriage should be seen not as a tool of exclusion but as a sacred space where God’s love can be revealed through mutual care, fidelity, and grace.
To deny couples the right to marry is to withhold a blessing of stability, dignity, and recognition that reflects the very covenantal love of God. A truly Christian response is not to close the doors of grace but to open them wider, remembering Christ’s words: “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another” (John 13:35).
In the end, God’s love will reconcile all things (Colossians 1:20). As Universalists, we hold hope that no one is excluded from that reconciliation—and our calling now is to live as witnesses of that all-embracing love.
Pax et bonum.
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Mary Romero
We all have opinions on this subject, and I also, believe that "gay" is sin! It's simple, whatever is a sin in the Bible will always be a sin, period! The Bible was meant to change people, not people change the Bible! We cannot bend the rules of the Bible for any generation, that's just not going to happen.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Not all of us believe in your bible. I have my own. There are other religions on this planet besides Christianity, and we also have rights.
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Exactly why I do not believe in the rediculous concept of “religious exemption.” There is nothing special about religion.
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Rev. B.D. Rees
I have read and quite frankly been disgusted by some of the comments left on this forum. I as an American who believes in our Constitution will certainly fight for your right to say such nonsense, and drivel under the First Amendment. I however, as an American living under the same Amendment to the Constitution, do not have to agree with this Nonsensical Tripe!! With that being said, those who DO NOT agree or subscribe in their beliefs that SAME SEX MARRIAGE should be legal because their Moronic Religion teaches them so, should by all means believe the way your so-called Pastor tells you, and become the sheep he or she is leading to the slaughter. I believe that Kim Davis who subscribes in these Idiotic and Arcaic views and her Pastor who has taught her this Stupidity should look to the Teachings of Christ and frankly take a look closely to the words of Christ who subscribed to a completly oppisite conclusion. Kim Davis and her followers are NOT Religious zealots.... THEY ARE BIGOTS.... I feel sorry for them in a way, as I do for all developmentaly challenged people. Christ told us to forgive 70 x 7, however, these people have gone quite beyond that point, and now they are into the rhealm of their own mind of Bigotry and Discrimination that makes them comfortable it is a shame though that they are the only ones who agree with their own selves.
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Steven Ferrell
I personally feel gay anything is sin. That being said I have friends that are gay. They know my feeling towards gay being sinful, but they also know I treat them politely, I truly care about them when they are struggling with something's.
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James Edward Couch
Good morning, let me be perfectly clear God does not make you gay period. Being gay is a sin, if you choose to be gay that's your right but it is a sin in God's eyes. Anyone who preaches different that is Blasphemy pure and simple. Can you be gay and get into Heaven, that's not for me to say as that is between you and God. Yes God loves everyone as we should also but it's the sin that God hates not the person
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
When did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Do you honestly believe someone chooses to be part of a minority group of human beings who are hated, murdered, don’t have a legal right to visit their loved one in a hospital, are denied access to healthcare, forced out of the military, lose their military pension after many years of fighting for your right to hate them, demonize them?
I suggest you read the following:
https://queergrace.com/hate-the-sin/#:~:text=The%20modern%20rendering%20of%20the%20phrase%20comes%20from%20Mahatma%20Gandhi%E2%80%99s%201929%20autobiography.%20He%20writes:%20%20%E2%80%9Chate%20the%20sin%20and%20not%20the%20sinner%20is%20a%20precept%20which%2C%20though%20easy%20enough%20to%20understand%2C%20is%20rarely%20practiced%2C%20and%20that%20is%20why%20the%20poison%20of%20hatred%20spreads%20in%20the%20world.%E2%80%9D%20Gandhi%20argues%20that%20using%20this%20phrase%20is%20an%20excuse%20to%20judge%20another%20person%20because%20it%20cannot%20be%20effectively%20practice.
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Michael Hunt
It's unsurprising how often homophobes refuse to answer this question. I'm not holding my breath on anyone here answering it either, unfortunately.
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Michael Hunt
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Rev. BH
JEC: "If you choose to be gay..."
Okay, here I go! After a life of heterosexuality and the loving company of beautiful women, I'm goin' gay!
(Gimme time - this is tough!)
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Joseph Grieco
This latest by Kim Davis actually has nothing to do with her religious beliefs. Nope - she's still fighting against paying the damages she was ordered when she lost her case. So the only way she can get out of it is to have the Supreme Court overturn their Obergefell decision. This Court has no respect for Stare Decisis. They overturned Roe. Now Obergefell is in their sights. However, as long as Clarence Thomas is still on the court, Loving will not be touched - despite White Nationalists calling for IT to be overturned, too.
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Iden Charles Siegbert Hill
For, priding themselves in knowledge, as they say, “of the deep things of Satan,” they do not know that they are casting themselves away into “the nether world of the darkness” of falsity, and, boasting that they are free, they have become slaves of servile desires. Such men are to be opposed in all ways and altogether.
Saint Clement of Alexandria.
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Lionheart
It’s interesting how many people quoted things handed down to them from others without having any factual knowledge. The very fact he mentioned Satan, a personage constructed by mankind, which obviously continued to grow as a mythological reality, shows that we should be very wary of anything written by others that had weird beliefs due to the lack of knowledge that we currently do.
Thanks for your quote of someone who was born around 150 AD, in Athens.
🦁❤️
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Iden Charles Siegbert Hill
What you said is exactly what the Bible consists of.
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Clive Hessing
I up vote
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Patricia Ann Gross
Davis' attorney said it should be overturned, “because it threatens the religious liberty of Americans who believe that marriage is a sacred union between one man and one woman.” What about the people who don't think it should be overturned and their faith asks them to be compassionate to all people, even those we disagree with. Doesn't our religious liberty matter?
How is that even possible. If your faith is so fragile, having a law that legalizes something you don't believe in "threatens" your religious liberty, you really need to take a closer look at those beliefs. Using this same logic, having a church of a different faith or even different Christian denomination should be illegal because someone's faith might be "tested" by it. The Southern Baptists do not believe in drinking (neither do the Mormons, Church of Christ, and many other Christian denominations, and faiths, including Islam, but I don't see any of them lobbying to bring back Prohibition.
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Stewart
They quickly forget that all of us have rights ... But feel theirs are more important than anyone's and should be sacred above and beyond . They need to be reminded their rights stop where mine begin Personally feel freedom of religion stops once you exit your home or church and enter the public space and you must respect others rights to do as they believe right .
There are all to many old laws that need revisiting to ensure they are religiously neutral. Fort that matter all laws should have a sunset date so that at some point must be updated to the current views of life .
laws written in the 17th century do not necessarily met the current knowledge and advancements of science . After roe was overturned states were attempting to enforce 19 Th century codes .
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Donald J Rothschild Jr
If SCOTUS even contemplates overturning gay marriage I can’t wait to see the so called Christian Nationalists seek to overturn Loving vs Virginia and watch Thomas freak out. Using his pea sized brain his marriage would be in trouble. Good for the goose is good for the gander. He opened the door with his statement after Roe but conveniently left out Loving.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Here we go again… and again… and again.
This woman refused to do the job she had sworn to do. She claimed God would not allow her to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, that it went against her sincerely held religious beliefs. Her job description did not mention an “except for” clause.
Why is same-sex marriage so threatening to everyone? I have a husband that I truly love. We have been together for over 27 years now, and to my knowledge, it has not harmed anyone. My nieces and nephews did not turn gay from exposure to the two of us. They see two people who love each other. They see a stable, long-term relationship between two men. They don’t think it’s strange because they’ve never been taught it was wrong.
According to Justice Thomas, same-sex marriage is not enough. He is ready to overturn Lawrence v. Texas, which would make sodomy laws legal again. People like me could then be arrested and charged with crimes for what I do in my bedroom. Conservatives say, “Keep it in the bedroom,” but then they’re the creepers looking through my window.
And if equality can be taken away from one group, it will be taken away from others. Wait for it.
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ServantOfJudgement
I'm very sorry james, it's not possible for a man to have a husband. Nor can a woman have a wife. Sure enough they can spend time together in a loving and loyal relationship for their entire lives but same sex unions simply aren't interchangeable with married couples. It's impossible.
Let there be insurance covered same sex unions where all taxation, inheritance and any other government intrusions are equally applied and let the definition and meaning of marriage remain logically definable and defendable.
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Michael Hunt
Marriage: the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship. Don't see anything there about sex or gender being involved.
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ServantOfJudgement
I know that's the new definition but that's not really what it means. People have changed it to fit whatever they want it to be. It's like taking to the design print to a part that's out of specification and changing the tolerance to match the part so the part is now within specification.
Before there was paper, pencil and law there was marriage of man and women, each fulfilling roles the the other simply can't fulfill. Incomplete apart, together one.
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R. Don Elsey
There is a religious view of marriage and a civil view of marriage. I respect your belief of what a religious marriage is but that does mean it is my religious, or civil, belief of what marriage is. How you interpret the bible and how I interpret the bible is very different - why is your interpretation the right one? If you had been born in India would you be a Hindu and have yet another set of beliefs? The answer to that is - yes
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James Riggle-Johnson
What law book are you pulling this from, SOJ? I hope you’re not talking about the Bible because it’s not the law. It is, at best, a guidebook written by men. And those who think God wrote it—or for that matter, inspired it—are just kidding themselves.
It’s the height of human arrogance to assume that every personal bias or cultural tradition we hold must be the very voice of God. Too often, what people call ‘God’s will’ is nothing more than their own ego speaking, dressed up in divine authority.
At the end of the day, marriage—by law—is a civil contract. And in a nation that claims liberty and justice for all, every citizen deserves equal access to that contract without someone else’s religion acting as the gatekeeper.
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Patricia Ann Gross
James, I totally agree with you. The Bible, if you look at it from a historical perspective shows that God's commands and notions evolved with time as God's creation evolved up until and past the time of Jesus. Who's to say that as society has changed and our human race has evolved in the past 2,000 years that God's notions of the rules hasn't also changed. This should be especially poingent for those who subscribe to the "God is in control" mentality.
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Patricia Ann Gross
SOJ, the same argument was made for interracial couples back in the 50/60s.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Except, of course, that it legally is. If your god is so angry with same-sex marriage, Let him smite those dreadful evildoers. Kim Davis can go pound sand.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Apparently you’ve missed the FACT that gay marriage is perfectly legal in the United States. So yes, a man CAN have a husband here. Don’t like it? Those gay MARRIED people don’t give a damn what you like or don’t like.
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Nicholas J Page
But it's ok to have pagan ceremonies etc but not gay weddings Hope they don't overturn case we have 2 girls upstairs who are gay always doing each other favours helping in the garden looking after each other's dog's .
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Lady Mutt Cat
The same crowd would probably like to outlaw Pagan ceremonies, too.
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Najah P Tamargo
Najah Tamargo-USA
This woman is a CLERK. She is paid to do a job, not to put her personal opinions above her job duties. And the Supreme Court is NOT GOD! They, nor this administration, has the right to stick their noses into anybody's PRIVATE and PERSONAL business. They need to take a close look in the mirror....because they are NOT acting in a Christian loving way.
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Chris
What happened to "Leave it up to the states!" Oh, right, that didn't work out for them. Even when it is left up to voters, places like Missouri overturn what the voters want. The fact remains Davis didn't do the job she was sworn to do and was disciplined for it.
But then this administration isn't big on personal accountability.
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ServantOfJudgement
Sadly Chris, democrats and republican alike issue pillow talk to appease potential voters and voters they've already beguiled. Citizens can vote something into law and law(breakers) vote it out of law against the people's will only a few years later. Both sides run the show while you and I are the show.
Regardless of what's thought about cannabis, Ohio citizens voted it legal. Politicians are working of changing that. Why? Pharma wants to sell the stuff and doesn't want bubba growing his own.
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Reverend Paula Copp
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone! The bible says that god knew who we were while we were in our mother’s womb. If you believe that’s true (which you should if you’re a Christian), and you believe that god is infallible, then you must believe that god accepts gays because he made us that way. (Note to those in the back: HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE!) That lewd, wanton woman has no standing. She should not be allowed to bring the case!
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ServantOfJudgement
I believe God accepts those who accept Jesus and either fully repent of sin and sin no more or make a daily and continual effort to turn from sin. To this person, sin should instill a deep feeling of remorse afterwards. Surely God will not accept a drunkard who embraces his sin and is proud of it.
That's what the Bible says.
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Lady Mutt Cat
There are lots of sacred texts in the world. The Christian bible isn’t the only one. Marriage is a civil institution. Some folks also make it a religious one, and that’s their affair. But to force their beliefs on others is simply disgusting.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Your god. Your god is not everyone’s god. I have no interest in living up to or down to a god I have no use for.
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Reverend Paula Copp
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James Edward Couch
Truth...
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Anthony W Stevenson
That is your deranged liberal thinking. No where does the Bible say that actively participating in a gay lifestyle is OK. Read His word and obey it or you will face His judgement someday. God Loves everyone. Jesus even said,"go and sin no more."
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James Riggle-Johnson
Anthony, He did not write the Bible; therefore, the words written within it are not His. They are man’s words, not God’s word. A man 2000 years ago saw something he found distasteful and said, “God told him this was a sin.”
It’s no different than a man today claiming, “God told me I’m the modern-day Moses,” or another saying, “I am the chosen one.”
Anthony, the Bible isn’t the law—our Constitution is. In this country, equality applies to everyone. Otherwise, we’re left with second-class citizens who are not treated equally, and that’s not freedom. You might think that’s liberal thinking, but isn’t that what it’s all about: Liberty for All!
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Hadmels Rafmil De Frias
My dear brother in Christ, I hear your concern and your reading of Scripture. At the same time, I remember how many parts of the Law we no longer hold as binding—what we eat (Leviticus 11), what we wear (Leviticus 19:19), or even how we honor the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8). Christ Himself said He came to fulfill the Law (Matthew 5:17). And when asked which commandment was greatest, He gave us two: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind” and “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37–40). As Paul reminds us, “Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:10).
My prayer is that we let love be the measure of our words and actions, so that the Gospel may bring healing and hope. Pax et bonum.
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Anthony W Stevenson
I couldn't agree more. Love everyone. But it does not say anywhere in His word that we are to accept sin (any sin for that matter) as a non-sin. Are we not to love murderers, fornicators, pedophiles, etc. as well? We do not accept those as non-sins, the way you are trying to twist God's word to say it is ok to be a practicing Gay individual.
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Samuel R. Williams
Agreed! The word of God does not change. From the beginning, He created man and woman, the institution of marriage.
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Patriarch J. Ewen DD
No disrespect intended, but that is a Distortion of the intent of the word of God. You can love your brother, but do you sleep with him? Do you have sexual relations with him? These acts are abominations' in the eyes of God. God created one man and one woman, Commanding them to "Go forth, be Fruitful and Multiply." Anything else violates the law of God.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Of your god. Your god is not everyone’s god.
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Rev_Shaun
"No where does the Bible say that actively participating in a gay lifestyle is OK."
So what? That just the opinion of the ancient old men who created that particular book of disconnected ramblings. And make no mistake, all religions are just nothing more than a collection of OPINIONS.
The problem with those opinions though, is that they have no substance behind them, none of any kind whatsoever. Romans says this, Corinthians says that and Uncle Tom Cobbley says something different. So what?
If one is going to argue from a god believers point of view, then one must first PROVE that your god exists. And that proof will not come from argument.
It will only come from empirical, demonstrable, repeatable and actionable EVIDENCE. Now the god believers have had quite a few thousand years to come up with this evidence - and where is it?
Still waiting!
And until you can provide this evidence, then you must remain silent and leave the room as you have nothing of any substance to contribute to the matter.
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Michael Oldham
You may read the bible a thousand times but there are only two passages that will give you all of the guidance anyone needs. These are first; "Judge not. lest ye be judged" (Mathew 7:1) Who are you to sit in judgement of anyone? You are not the moral compass of anyone's life. These are the words to remember and contemplate before opening your mouth to bestow judgment or condemnation. and second; "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another". (John 13:34) If you run down these two verses in your mind before you speak (or type) or just simply ask "Am I judging someone? or does this show love, compassion and/or empathy for the person, or persons, whom I am addressing?" If your answer is no to either then maybe you shouldn't speak at all. Let the person without sin cast the first stone. Tend to your own flock. Do no harm.
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Kenneth Ray Goard
Go back and Romans chapter one
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Kenneth Ray Goard
Please go to Romans chapter one read it. Paul lays out. Also God gave man free will so nan can follow GOD or chose his on pathway that leads away from God. God as declared a man laying with man as a woman is a sin. So it is a man's choice on which path it takes.
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ServantOfJudgement
When I first came here I was opposed to gay marriage because I thought it was contradictory to logic. Then after reading heartfelt opinions from the LGB members here I changed my opinion. Then after getting threatened with physical harm from a certain Muslim here, reading posts calling for the death of Christians and those posts getting many thumbs up, watching a real and true hatred towards Christians be permitted by moderators, I've changed my mind again.
I'm fine with a civil union but only a man and women can get married. That one's set now. I'll not traverse with those that desire my demise ever again, not one step. Jesus was right when he said not to traverse with the enemy.
Let's hope they can pull it off and restore the dignity and definition of marriage.
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Rev. BH
SOJ, Can I threaten you to change your mind back again?
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ServantOfJudgement
Lol, I doubt it
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ServantOfJudgement
For the life of me I can't figure out why my response was deleted by the moderators. I gave the lol and said I don't think so Rev BH. A single sentence with one acronym, a comma and 4 words.
I thought what you said was funny. Hmmm.
Moderator, if you delete this post could you let me know what offensive and delete worthy about: "Lol, I don't think so"?
Thanks
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Michael Hunt
Because it wasn't?
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ServantOfJudgement
Excellent! Undeleted! Thank you moderator!!!
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Patricia Ann Gross
But only if it comes with the same rights and protections as a marriage... This includes tax incentives, rights of inheritance and custody of children, and the rights to speak for each other in medical situations. Then consider, if this were the case, why have separate rules with the same outcome with the only difference being the sex assigned at birth of the participants? That only creates more paperwork and confusion, especially if one or both participants are gender fluid or transgender. I applaud you for having an open mind and even being able to change it, but do it for the right reasons. Flip-flopping because of whoever has the loudest voice is never a reason to change your mind. Please, listen again to the heartfelt logic of those LGB, and reconsider once again.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
In the UK, we brought in Civil Partnerships (CP) for gay couples. They were the same as marriage in all but name. Later we brought in gay marriage which meant gay couples had a choice of CP or marriage. As that discriminated against straights, now straights can opt for CP if they wish. It would have been simpler to just have gay marriage in the first place but the government gave in to christian activists. The Church of England having its own, unelected, representatives in Parliament was a factor too.
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Ember Wolf Chalix
The Dignity of marriage? This is brought to you by a 3x divorcee who cheated on husband 1 & 2 with husband 3, had children born out of the Sin of Adultery & Divorce. I guess the rules only apply to people you hate verses your fellow Christians.
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David Hinckley
But she repented, became a holy roller, wears long modest skirts and dresses, doesn't wear makeup or cut her hair. I guess that makes her adultery ok? What's next? Is she going to try to make it a legal requirement that women dress like her?
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Joe Stutler
Kim Davis is a stunning combination of stupid and evil. That she uses her imaginary magical sky monster as a weapon to promote her anti-American bigotry is disgusting. Ship her off to a theocracy - she'd have a ball in Afghanistan.
If you think that 2 people of the same sex shouldn't be allowed to marry, then don't marry someone of the same sex. Seems simple enough. What's next? Reverse Loving v Virginia, or Griswold v. Connecticut?