Hundreds of Muslim parents are moving forward with a school “attendance strike” in an attempt to force the removal of books with LGBTQ+ themes at a K-5 charter school in Minnesota.
Parents say the books – part of an anti-bias curriculum – contain "inappropriate" content that does not align with their religious values.
Upwards of 200 of the approximately 1,000 students at DaVinci Academy in Ham Lake, Minnesota are reportedly being kept home in the hopes of getting the school to pull the books.
Will the strike work?
Anti-Bias Curriculum
DaVinci Academy initiated a new anti-bias curriculum for grades K-5 after noticing that students were struggling with treating their fellow students with kindness following the pandemic, says school executive director Holly Fischer.
The curriculum was developed by local nonprofit AmazeWorks, and features some 120 books designed to teach students to “have more empathy” and “[engage] with multiple perspectives,” according to AmazeWorks executive director Rebecca Slaby.
Among many other titles, the book collection features:
- A story centered around a young girl embracing her Arabic heritage with pride
- A narrative following a Sudanese refugee child's wish for Americans to accurately pronounce his name
- The journey of a Native American girl gathering jingles for her traditional powwow attire
- A tale of a transgender child anticipating the arrival of a new sibling
- An account of a boy's desire to don a princess costume for his school parade
“Kids need to see themselves reflected positively in the curriculum,” she stated. “And they also need a window into the lives of people who are different from them.”
The sticking point for parents? 24 of the books, most of them simple picture books, feature LGBTQ+ characters.
Parents Speak Out Against LGBTQ+ Books
Unlike previous school board protests where parents objected to "pornographic" content in LGBTQ+ books, in this case it appears the existence of queer characters in the books at all is the principal issue.
Outspoken parents say the school needs to be sensitive to the beliefs of Muslim families.
It is “not about book banning or excluding anybody,” explained local parent Aboubakr Mekrami at a recent school board meeting. “We are not against diversity, equity, and inclusion, but the way this should be presented should ensure that different beliefs are respected. We need to be authentic to our beliefs. And if we don’t feel like we are getting our needs met, families may leave.”
He continued: “We teach our children to basically respect others. However, when the topic of LGBT comes up, we strongly believe that we need to be the ones who approach it and teach it to our children based on our beliefs. This is a fundamental belief for us, and one in which we have no wiggle room. We strongly object to this optional LGBT curriculum being used in the classroom.”
Families Go on Strike
Feeling as though their voices were not being heard, parents devised a plan to force the school’s hand in removing the LGBTQ+ curriculum from the program: an attendance strike.
Earlier this month, roughly one in five students at DaVinci Academy were pulled out of school for the week. The students were overwhelmingly from Muslim families.
“These topics will create unnecessary stress, anxiety, and worries within our kids because it goes against our fundamental beliefs, our religion,” said local parent Amna Soussi. “It is our right to introduce these sensitive, controversial and religious-based topics to our kids, when we feel is the appropriate time and age to do so.”
Budget Pressure a Factor
Because charter schools receive funding on a per-student basis, losing 20% of their students would be detrimental to the school’s budget and even their future.
“Why put your school at a risk of losing over 135 students because of this?” Soussi asked school board members. “This will affect the school’s enrollment. It’s going to throw a curveball in your funding.”
For now, the school has pulled the curriculum, and is allowing parents the option to opt their children out of any LGBTQ+ content in the curriculum when it returns in a few weeks.
But for some local parents, that isn’t enough.
As one parent told a local publication, the only acceptable solution for many parents will be for the LGBTQ+ curriculum to be dropped entirely.
What do you make of the controversy?
131 comments
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Paul
Children should be taught at school not to hate anyone because of their religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, age, or any other phobia. LGBT+ characters in books simply replicate real life. In the UK there have been a handful of minor protests by Muslim parents but policies don't change and non-attendance at school carries heavy daily fines. Discrimination on any of the grounds mentioned above is illegal, quite rightly, and your religion isn't an exception. Kids need to be taught that from a young age.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
It they don't like what state ("public") schools offer, they're free to remove their children and send them to a private, religious, school or home educate.
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David Kelley III
Hear, hear!
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Omg. Replication of real life. Sick ****.Really?
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ServantOfJudgement
Paul,
It turns out The State Of Oregon USA agrees with you. Teaching Woke seems to be more important than reading for those folks. Being proficient at reading and writing is a symptom of systemic racism which is very bad and hateful so they've eliminated it as a requirement for highschool. Yep, you read that right.
Teach not to hate, skip the academics. Lol, won't be long now till the Woke Hive burns the country down in a peaceful protest.
I can't help but smile as I document just how insane you guys have become. It's not funny yet I smile for some reason.
Then again, you guys in the UK have no idea what freedom is, y'all lost that war thousands of years ago. Illegal to speak, gosh, you have a short leash and you love it. Weird.
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Rev. MichaelRS
You know what really cracks me up? When I see Flags and signs by any one of the letters of the alphabet marching with the Hamas terrorist protesters these days demanding that *"Palestine" be free.
Most of the "pro-palestinian" protesters are very ignorant of history and today's reality.
Do you know where gay Palestinians, indeed gay people in any Arab state have to flee to if they want to continue to live in the Middle East and be gay? Israel.
You know the only location where week-long world class gay pride parades and events are held in the Middle East? Israel.
In Israel if a gay man says he's flying that means he's high on some sort of drugs or extremely happy. In every other country around Israel that means he's being thrown off a roof.
The ignorance and stupidity of these people marching In those Pro-Palestinian, really pro-hamas terrorist, protesrs is ridiculous.
So yeah, head on over to Gaza or West Bank and walk through the streets carrying your rainbow or trans flag, even while shouting "I stand with Palestine", and see what happens.
*By the way there never was in the history of the world a kingdom of Palestine or a government thereof until over the last century. So when people stop talk about "historic Palestine" that is simply untrue. Unlike the historic kingdoms of Israel and Judea which did exist for many centuries.
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Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson
Palestine was an administrative region created by the Roman Empire. You are correct it was never a country.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Very well said.
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Tom Herman
Our public education system should provide as diverse a curriculum as possible. They should be teaching tolerance of all beliefs. That can't be done without exposure to all ideas. Banning such exposure defeats the purpose. If parents only want their kids to have very narrow side sided education, they have every right to put their children in a parochial setting for that purpose. They do not have a right to remove resources that other families find vital for a well rounded education. Book banning is wrong. A good public education will provide students to make their own choices as their education progresses. Withholding information defeats the purpose. Private schools cost money but that is the choice parents need to make.
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Nicholas J Page
No.one has the god given right to tell children what they can and can't do or read certain books.
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Amber Fry
Parents do, but only of their own children. They have zero right to decide for someone else if their children should be cut off from it too.
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ServantOfJudgement
Then teach the theory of creation in school along with the theory of evolution and the big bang hypothesis.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Which "theory of creation" of the 5000+ religions would you be referring to SOJ? - as if we didn't know.
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ServantOfJudgement
Parents do Nicholas.
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Samuel Tamayo
Money, most education Facilities Operate by Allocated taxpayers federal or state funding. All tax payers have to do is pull their children out of there Facility and the loose funding , hence they have to listen to their taxpayers. There are strength and numbers The more people that have organizing against their practices. The better are their chances for that literature to be removed from school curriculum and no more than nonsense. Let's pray for our children to be protected from the evils of these deceptive demoralizing and disturbed groups . 🙏 🕯📖🕯🙏
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David Kelley III
Most charter schools have limited enrollment and parents have to apply to get their children in. Should many of these families choose to take their kids out, no doubt there are other deserving families that would jump at the opportunity to get their kids into such a desirable charter school. Sounds like a win-win! Muslim families get to move to a school with a less provisioned library and curriculum and non-Muslim families get a better instruction environment for their kids! Everyone is happier!
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
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Danny D. Maynard
I am not sure why one's chosen costume makes any difference to what they believe or how they should act. Clothing and costuming history will prove that you have poor taste in clothing too.
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Seth Coleman King
Schools should teach generic respect for all. Parents should manage the details. Life will sort the balance. Even the children, as adults, are entitled to change their minds.
That said… The public square is for everyone. So we all need to SHUT UP about differences and enjoy/respect the sameness in public. I can entirely disagree with you in EVERY WAY. I can hate you and everything you stand for…that is my right and there is nothing you can do about it but pray. In public I can treat you like a human being and if i don’t…stomp the horse crap out of me. I would deserve it. The only demand in the public square or public thought should be respect and COMMON GOOD. Otherwise dont expect anything OTHER THAN respect and zip it.-
Amber Fry
No, parents are too bias. Since the whole of society has to deal with the stupidity when children grow up with a poor education, the whole of society should get a say, not just the parent. Parents tend to want to keep kids young and innocent forever. That isn't possible. They always grow up. They should do it with the intelligence and knowledge that it takes to get buy in the world.
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Mark Gilgen
It is part of their religion just like the Christian faith only difference is they dont cave into social pressure.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
And you think xtians cave into(sic) social pressure?
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Danny D. Maynard
Yes they do. Trump** and Desantis are proof.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
I don’t get your meaning. Voting for Trump and DeSantis is evidence of social pressure? Who/what group is putting pressure on them? Voting for those dipshticks is evidence stupidity, bigotry and racism. Especially stupidity. And Trump et al uses those traits to manipulate them.
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Amber Fry
You must not be catching the news. People are literally being threatened and even beaten for not being a Trumper or a DeathSantis follower. Others are following suit to keep from falling victim or keep their families safe. It's getting scary in those camp, seriously.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
If this is really a big problem then surely it would be easy enough to post a couple of links to back up both, and especially the latter, claims. Yeah, ESPECIALLY the latter.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Oh how soon we forget.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-maga-election-watchers-scare-away-voters-1756082
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Surely as a Dr. you are capable of doing your own research?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The way it works is that someone writes a paper that makes a claim about something. Throughout the paper you’ll see little numbers at the end of any sentences that state ‘facts’ or provide evidence for claims being made. If you check at the end of the of the paper you’ll find a list where each number used is paired with a source that backs up the fact or claim.
The author of the paper provides this info. The author doesn’t say ‘Go look it up.’ If they were to actually say ‘Go look it up’ their fellow researchers would laugh at them, because they would be considered a joke. Much like how I feel about you at the moment.
https://youtu.be/wSGkBWYDmrM?si=AAYSq3dkp2dVALLs
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
@Amber Nope, left the US 30+ years ago. So I don’t need to follow the stupidity any longer.
So me not hearing things in the US is the same ad you with Japan. Japanese national news… 3 guys broke into a hobby shop and beat the owner very badly. Black eyes and bruised face. Did you hear about it?
I don’t care if Trumpists are getting pounded. I would discharge urine into their oral cavity of their dentation was undergoing rapid oxidation.
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ServantOfJudgement
I'm glad you migrated z, your penmanship is about as tolerable as your manners. I hope you don't have an actual doctorate, if you do I'd send it back out of kindness to your neighbors.
As far as the shop owner getting mugged, sounds like a peaceful protest to me, he should be happy about it, I know the red faced leftists here love that stuff once the sun goes down. I bet he's a hater.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Oops…
WOULDN’T discharge
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ServantOfJudgement
I'm surprised no news outlets have picked those stories up Amber. I know that if someone that voted for Trump farts next to an old lady the media goes wild. No offense but I think you've been had. Not that I like trump or anything but the media is always in pounce position when it comes to the guy.
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ServantOfJudgement
Mark,
I'm not sure if the religious group you're talking about is Muslim or Lgbt2qia++map but either way you're right. Neither one backs caves to social pressure.
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Amber Fry
It isn't really about social pressures so much as anti bigotry laws. People are free to be or do or believe what they wish but they have absolutely zero right to dictate that for others.
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Danny D. Maynard
Quote: "Neither one backs caves to social pressure." ... "backs caves" ... What exactly does that mean, please?
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ServantOfJudgement
Sure Danny, back down or caves:
That's where someone has a certain opinion with something and keeps that opinion but no longer employs it. Instead they adopt a new superficial opinion they run with that's not theirs, rather the opinion of social pressure or other similar forces such as a spouse or bosse's opinion. Now this doesn't mean to literally and physically back down and crouch to the ground like you might think. It's more of an intellectual shift that might not be visible to the untrained eye.
When we use the word cave, we're not talking about a cavity in the ground or a hill side. We're using it in a way to describe a psychological or moral shift against ones preference. Again, not in the literal sense you'd think of. A person doesn't physically collapse into a smaller shape they usually hold. They keep their same shape mostly, maybe their shoulders drop a little from disappointment. Lots of English words have multiple meanings, such is the case with cave, this is still a psychological effect. When we add the 's' to cave it's not adding to the quantity of psychological cave(s) rather describing the act of caving (not the same as spelunking).I might have made it worse but there ya go Danny.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Wow, that was a long missive to try to justify your ‘new word’ that was actually a typo.
Back caves? Aren’t you a special little snuggums!
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ServantOfJudgement
Right z, that was good-n-long. Some people make fun of typos even though they make them all the time. It happens to be your favorite needle I've noticed. Speaking of typos yours have become a new style of inducing confusion into the reader. Three days after typing your abortion even you must struggle reading it, shedding light on the field of your self proclaimed doctorate.
I like to give long answers to stupid questions, such as asking what an obvious typo meant. It makes the intended reader suffer more while giving humor to folks that enjoy sarcasm even if they hate my guts. There's nothing more fun than making someone who hates you smile. They don't like it, not one bit.
So we're square, "back cave" contains two words, not one like you thought. There's a space in there doc. Perhaps your mind combined the two words subconsciously to describe your usual mannerism. All too often you act just like a back cave ya know.
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Larry R Mowrer Jr
Those books have no place in a grade school library.
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Since when do you get to say what my children can or cannot read? That’s infringing on MY PARENTAL RIGHTS. Many young children know by age 4 or 5 that they are part of the LGBTQIA2S+ community. Providing books with characters they can identify with prevents suicide. GET EDUCATED!
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Gerardo Salazar
Look at Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries where this occurs every single day.
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ServantOfJudgement
Elizabeth,
There are tons of Christians that are fine with no bible teachings in public schools, I'm one of them. It's a mistake but I'm fine with it. Don't you think it wise and fair that your doctrine be treated the same? We can find 10's of millions of parents in the USA that agree with me.
If you want to teach your kids about LGBT subjects do as we christians are told to do and teach at home. Everyone wins that way, especially the kids.
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David Kelley III
Muslims chose to come to a country of diversity. If now they don’t like this country’s values, they most certainly have a right to go find another country that does align with their values.
Many Christian families do not accept the open values of diversity that our public schools and constitution provide, so they create their own schools. Jewish families for a century have operated their own Hebrew schools. Muslim families can choose to stop being a crybaby and to follow other groups that have created their own educational space, or they can loudly insist on special treatment. That argument will not fly.-
Keith Allen Steele Eash
It has nothing to do with tolerance and diversity. It has to do with respect for religion and its beliefs. Respect that and quit shoving your social justice leftist bull manure down the throats of our kids. Anything that is unnatural should not be tolerated. Unisex bathrooms, transgenderism being forced on kids who don't know a darn thing about sex, etc. Enough is enough. Push us and we will push back and you won't know what hit you.
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Michael Hunt
Ummm, being LGBTQ is natural. Unisex bathrooms and transgender persons existing has nothing to do with sex. You want schools to teach children, many who will already know they are LGBTQ, that their existence is wrong and should be shoved into a dark corner. What this all comes down to is that you're an intolerant bigot and you don't want anything but your beliefs taught in public.
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Steven Ferrell
Elementary schools have no business teaching anything concerning religion, sex, etc. that is totally the responsibility of the parents.
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Angela Sidney Andrado
The only thing that needs to be taught in school are English, Math Science History and Technology all the rest from religion to the alphabet crew needs to be left at home. Boys need to be in boys bathroom and sports and same for girls. Put all the kids in the same uniform and then that settles dress code. God loves us all and we should love each other the same but it does not belong in our schools. If we stop teaching our kids that those kids are different then they won't know it, they will just love each other for who they are.
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Reverend Andrew
Look if it is a private school and not taking any money from any government agency, then the parents have a right to expect certain things. Now that being said I don't care what kind of school it is No parent should have the right to tell another parent your child can and can't read. If you don't want your child to read some stuff then you police your child and not all the children in the school. And you don't think that there is no children of same sex parents in a private school if you think that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you
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Jemhal Campbell
Proverbs 22:6 (NIV): "Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old, they will not turn from it." This verse emphasizes the importance of early guidance and education for children.
Deuteronomy 6:6-7 (NIV): "These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." This passage instructs parents to teach God's commandments to their children and integrate them into daily life.
Proverbs 29:17 (NIV): "Discipline your children, and they will give you peace; they will bring you the delights you desire." This verse underscores the importance of discipline and guidance in parenting.
Ephesians 6:4 (NIV): "Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord." This verse addresses the role of fathers in nurturing and educating their children in a manner consistent with the teachings of the Lord.
Psalm 127:3-5 (NIV): "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them." This passage speaks to the blessings of having children and the responsibility of parents in nurturing them.
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Lionheart
And there’s 👆the problem. You can teach children anything in their formative years and they’ll believe it. Hence, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy etc. We now have children growing up to be adults that are prepared to kill people for not accepting their own beliefs.
If you really want to believe all the edicts in that fictional book, how about:
Killing females that are not virgins on their wedding night. Deuteronomy 22: 16-21
Killing false prophets. Zechariah 13:3
Killing unbelievers. 2 Chronicles 15:12-15
Killing children for cursing their parents. Leviticus 20:9
Do you believe all these things, Sir Jemhal?
Is there a reason you left these things out of your biblical references?
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Minister Raymond Butterworth
Lionheart,
I noticed your references, all your references are of the old testament where the world lived under the Law of God. Since Jesus was sent to die for ALL OF US, we have been living under the Grace of God.
Under the Law of God sins committed were sometimes punished immediately. Even when not it was no picnic. Burnt sacrifice was often required. If I had to, yes, otherwise its most assuredly not my thing. I would be scared to live in a time where i could be immediately judged for my sins with no opportunity to repent or atone. Just one bad choice or stupid moment could not only take this life but damn me eternally as well. I've had more than my share of bad choices and stupid moments both. To me that would be a most difficult way of life. I sincerely doubt i would have ever made 25. Under the Grace of God we have that opportunity to put straight any issues we may have with our souls. We have until our last breath to atone for our sins and get right with God. This allows us all to enjoy our lives under that Grace in whatever manner we so desire, and pick up the tab on the way out, to state it in modern language. Enjoy life my friend.
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Mary Theresa Usrey
If you are upset with the views in public school because of your religious views then I suggest transferring the students to a religious school. I, for one, went to Catholic school. Religion was a big part of education. If that’s important then it’s a great choice.
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Rev Ned
Muslims seem to be all about tolerance until there’s enough of them. Then the sharia law comes out.
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Lionheart
I’m sure you are totally correct, Sir Ned.
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ServantOfJudgement
The left seems to enjoy making movies, television shows and reading materials that place children in adult roles using adult language and adult behavior. It's funny for them to hear a child with a rancid mouth. It's a joy for them to see the innocent corrupted at an early age. You can hear them applaud to it.
The eyes and ears are never content though. Now they must bring sexuality into the mind of the youth. Teach them to put down the toy and pick up a pronoun. Get them in the pigsty as quickly as they can. Get them aquatinted with the perverted raunch adulthood brings. Let the children grow to adulthood and become more perverted than their teachers. Let them bring an all new level of corruption and filth into the classroom and forever devolve man into the animalistic quagmire they revel in and teach. The hive demands it. The hive must survive. The hive must produce drones if it is to survive. Long live the hive. Praise the hive. The hive loves you.
If parents don't stop this madness God will as he's done again and again. Nobody digs it when God moves on a fallen people and conducts his strange work, nobody.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Are you saying a child thinking for himself offends you SOJ? Even in fiction?
And then you seem to mix reality and fiction, going from TV shows to school to religion - but you do know sex is real right? Gender is real. Puberty is real. Would you postpone puberty forever, to 'save the children'? Would you exhort your God to 'move on' anything that would 'acquaint' them with adulthood?
What is with your contempt of adulthood and parents, equating them with "the hive"? What gives you the right to speak for everybody else, judge that they are "fallen"?
Honestly, it sounds like you're the one who wants a hive - who demands everyone be your drone.
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ServantOfJudgement
I'm over your head.
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John R Liming
No matter how much censorship or book banning that is done, kids are going to find ways to learn about the banned topics anyway -- they are intensely curious and extremely inventive... they will find ways to indulge in behaviors that are not socially approved no matter how many books are banned, burned or censored.
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Amber Fry
Exactly, they will find a way. The better deal is to have them be reading it in a place that they can be safely talked through. If certain parents think it's a good idea to keep their children from gaining an education then they should feel free to pull them from school and do the home school route. They should not be trying to take that right away from everyone else.
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ServantOfJudgement
Let's show them how to roll a joint and safely shoot heroine shall we John?
Let's not be unwise and carry on with a defeatist attitude. The longer a child maintains it's innocence the better. Let the world crush them when they're old enough to be crushed by it. We need not accelerate it.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Were you crushed by the world when you lost your innocence SOJ? Is that why you think all children should be kept in the dark about what it is to be human as long as possible?
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Robert James Ruhnke
LGBT+, LGBTQIA+, or get lost servant of judgement. They do not accept minor attracted persons as part of the community. That’d be your fellow Christian conservatives. Considering they’re fine with child marriage in most conservative states. Y’all are the ones pushing for children to be put in adult rolls considering you’re okay with 12 year olds carrying their rapists child. Y’all are fine and dandy with filth and perversion, so long as it’s straight. You project filth where there is none. Ignoring your own corruption
Also. You’re infantilizing teens and young adults. People should grow up as they age. Instead of turning into a boring and stagnant individual, much like yourself. You do so as a means of manipulation and gaslighting to control them. Not see them become individuals with their own thoughts and ideas. We see you for being the puppet master wannabe you are.
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ServantOfJudgement
I wouldn't fault a 12 year old rape victim if she had an abortion Robert. I wouldn't be thrilled about it but I couldn't fault it. Now that you've judged me and I've proven you wrong, this is the part you keep accusing me of the same thing again and again.
The MAP will eventually get in your club and there's nothing you can do about it Robert. They've shifted from pedophile to MAP. Soon they'll be in your inclusive family, they've already got the acronym. You'll see.
Sweet and Fair Servant of Judgement (Mrs SOJ) would kindly disagree, I'm anything but boring and stagnant. She was kindly warned by my mom when we got married. I appreciate the insult though, I haven't heard that one yet.
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Michael Hunt
You still fail to understand the difference between a pedophile and a minor attracted person, despite being educated in the past (because nuance is hard for you to understand.)
MAP is used within psychology to describe a person who is attracted to minors, which would include pedophiles who act upon that attraction (still with me here?) If you don't act on those desires, you're not committing pedophilia.
The psychology field uses the term MAP in their studies into why a person would be attracted to minors and for rehabilitating someone with said attractions, especially for those who do not want to act upon their attractions.
In other words, yes a pedophile is a minor attracted person, but a minor attracted person is not always a pedophile. Do you see the nuance now?
Now you, on the other hand, use MAP to disparage the LGBTQ community and suggest that they are accepting of pedophilia, which they undeniably are not. In reality, you're more likely to find pedophiles in your local church than you are in the LGBTQ community and no matter how much you try to deny that or claim they aren't real Christians, it's still the truth.
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ServantOfJudgement
Michael,
I've always understood the difference of a MAP and pedophile. Here's the best and simplest way to say it: A chicken egg is not a chicken. I know it might seem hard to believe by the LGB community but they will get in the club. Who would think Drag Queens would be out on display (literally)in Schools, libraries and churches for children to see? Was an impossible thing yet it's old news today. I get aggressively corrected quite a bit on this(including map with lbg)which is a good thing. Consider this: There are LGB people that disapprove of Drag Queens for kids and others say it's great. So it will be for the MAP. MAPs will get in the door, watch for it.
Never have I denied pedophiles were in churches. I've said punish all that protect even if it means closing the church. It should hurt, it should be public and the pedophiles punishment should be absolute.
Anywhere there are children gathered regularly you'll find MAPs and the chicken they grew up to be.... It's a human problem.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I know exactly what you mean SOJ.
Can you believe at one time there were actually some black people that tried to teach - in white schools???
Yes they were motivated. Yes they were accomplished. Yes they were qualified - but that's not the point! At that time black people teaching white students was HIGHLY inappropriate! It was popularly agreed that black people on display as the heads of white classes certainly deserved painful punishment!
Obviously, the only appropriate display of a black person in a white school was in a subservient position - as a janitor, or perhaps a manservant to one of the white students.
Fortunately the Civil Rights Cases of 1883 put this human problem in it's place when it made discrimination against another human being legal and proper for the next 85 years. Wouldn't it be great to go back to that SOJ? That's what you want, right? Legal and legitimized discrimination against another human being who doesn't look like you?
I say keep on advocating for criminalization of this tragedy! Keep on showing the world how "normal people" are VICTIMIZED by this travesty! Keep on demanding the legalization of discrimination - it's the 'moral' thing to do!
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Minister Raymond Butterworth
Kenneth,
Question: Just for my own clarification, are you saying pedophiles deserve equality?
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Daniel Gray
If they are paying the taxes an they are the majority, then they get to say what goes into that schools library.
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David Kelley III
Like Florida removing any book that deals with the topic of slavery because it hurts the white majority’s feelings? If we are to learn from our mistakes, first we have to learn about our mistakes. One of the redeeming aspects of America is its willingness to examine our shortcomings and strive to improve.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry child. You can teach Slavery all you wish, but to blame it all on one race when you had Africans hunting their own people and selling them into slavery and not mentioning that part? Absolutely not. You do know that slavery still exists in Africa today right? Even the Spanish in South America and the Arabs have stopped slavery almost completely.....and yet its a major industry in Africa.
And lets not forget that you had europeans made into slaves and sent over to the "new world" clear up to the 1850's Or the signs that said "no Irish allowed" clear into the 1920's.
My point is that slavery has existed in every race and civilization since time began and to try and use your ancestors as being slaves as an excuse is just pitiful.
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Amber Fry
Right but there are proper channels for that. Legal channels. Protests are only part of that. They need to start petitions and get a majority on it.
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Daniel Gray
Which is what they are doing since the school board refused to even accept the first petition they tried.
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Gerardo Salazar
Islam is not really a religion but instead a huge cult in which dominance is the top value and actually the word Islam means obedience to rules established long time ago by a person who thrived on power and sex, a man who married a six-year old girl but waited until she was nine to consummate his passion for her. Liberal people in Europe and North America have opened the doors to Muslims and they have become a force that, as they are fond of saying “we utilize your laws to become your masters”. Is it too late now to react? Look at France’s huge religious riots or atheist the huge crowds of people backing the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas; is this want we want for our children and grand children? When will the Hijab become mandatory in our society or cultural freedom curtailed in the name of religious values?
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Morgan Lewis Williams
Let the schools have the books.
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ServantOfJudgement
Kinda like planting a field you can harvest in a few years huh?
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Rev Ned
Scared of rainbows on things like beer cans too?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Found another one for you SOJ...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/27/spanish-clergy-sexual-abused-more-than-200000-children-inquiry-estimates
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John R Liming
If you read the Quran at all, you will soon discover that the over-arching ambition of Islam is to become the dominant religion and governmental system in the entire world. So of course, they are going to express their resistance to anything that does not fall in line with their beliefs. It is not only a religious thing with them, it is also subconsciously, a necessary step in the process of cementing their dominance over the society in which they choose to live at any given time.
But if you look at things with an unctitical eye, you will discover that the overall ambition of Christianity is to do the same things... to Christianize the world.
So let them do what they are going to do and let God sort it all out in the day of Judgment.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Which is why both should be done away. Their ideas shelved before they cause our species to go extinct. These faiths and their most fanatic adherents are dangerous.
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Pastor Lawrence
I wholeheartedly agree with the Muslims. Wish Christians and Jews would “man up” and do the same. We would finally get this insane thinking out of the schools and away from our children.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Nope. Nothing insane about being LGBTQ+ I was like 9 when I knew I was different, I knew I was bi then. I was lucky in that I had friends and family who accepted me and understood me as a healthy and natural person. They’re Christian too. They’re just not the demented zealot that you are. I just wish Muslims and Conservative Christians would grow up and stop shoving their religion down everyone’s throats. Queer folk were here first, long before the Bible was conceived of.
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ServantOfJudgement
We know that Robert, Sodom and Gomorrah are perfect examples of what you've said. It's all documented, you can read about it. Those guys in Sodom and Gomorrah were shoving it down peoples throats untill God said no. Indeed it happened before the Bible was written as you've said. They're all gone now though.
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Michael Hunt
Except that there's no evidence to support the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. It's a story from a fantasy book told to frighten it's audience into submitting to it's narrative. It's a story about being hospitable to guests yet it's been spun to suggest that gay people caused a supernatural destruction of their city.
There are way better explanations to suggest why a city could have been destroyed other than "sky daddy didn't like the gays."
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://www.themonastery.org/training/sermons/the-real-sin-of-sodom-and-gomorrah-wasnt-homosexuality
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Jemhal Campbell
it was disobedience.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What?
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Florencio Guevara
Leave this out of the public school system. This subject belongs at home, along with others that touch upon character and growing up. Don't politicize this topic. Teachers barely have time to teach the academic curriculum, let alone add this intrusive, non-academic curriculum. Someone needs to remind the Gay movement that these drag queens and trannies represent only about 10% of the Gay population. The other 90% are in sports, the military, construction, law enforcement, fire fighting, transportation, and so on. It's always the loudest queens that hijack the show... So sad. They are the main cause for the public rallying behind those that oppress Gays. Unfortunate that no one sees the reality...
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Amber Fry
Actually the people making it a political issue is those who don't want it. This is life. These topics are out there in the world. These kids are dealing with it every stinking day of their lives regardless of if it is taught or not. Having adults guide them through the thought processes of it within reason shouldn't be out of the question. They will have to deal with it anyway, let it be in a safer environment where they can be taught how to deal without violence. Let them learn the right to be and believe as they see fit and being able to talk about such things without being beat to a bloody pulp for it.
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Florencio
Couldn't agree with you more. Teach academics, that's what's important. Everyone can agree that academics should be taught, just teach what everyone agrees with and there's no fighting.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Oh yes. They can. It's called what is appropriate for that age group.
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Michael Hunt
So teaching that LGBTQ people exist isn't age appropriate? Tell that to the LGBTQ children who are going to the school.
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Robert E. Polston
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. It seems pretty simple to me and doesn't require a degree, doesn't require a pledge, you don't have to be a citizen, you can be straight, gay, black, white, red, yellow, or pale. Your profession doesn't matter, nor does your social standing, your bank account, or your status with credit cards. You just love your God as best you can and treat your neighbor the way you would like to be treated and you are following Jesus or at least doing what he told his followers to do.
I think remembering this takes away a lot of my own political, social, and emotional strife that I feel sometimes in a world that is confusing, sometimes hostile, and too often where I feel alone and unsupported by my fellow humans. Keeping myself on track by remembering these two commandments always helps me find my center and feel like I'm on target as much as is possible for any of us coming from our broken state. I hope this can ring true or be helpful for any of you as you ponder life and how to respond. Cheers!
Minister Bob
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Vicki Purscell
We are supposed to love one another in all religions,it doesn't matter what you do in your private bedroom,as long as it's not hurting any one , should we ban the Muslims because they are Muslims, no that would be racist,by banning LGBT rights,that's racist also .if you don't want your kids taught acceptance then remove them from the class or tell them you are not allowed to read this book because it's against our beliefs and explain why!!! Too many books are being banned, example the Bible, LGBT have rights to!!!!!
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Tecla Caryl Loup
If parents don't agree with what their children are being exposed to in public schools, then let them form their own (acceptable) schools and educate their children in the way that they prefer. That's what my parents did in the 1950s with parochial school;s for us, in this case Roman Catholic. I surely learned excellent English grammar and associated talents from the Dominicans but I can't say I garnered experience in world history except as it applied to the Church and its "persecutors". Needless to say, after that experience, gaining a winder view helped me to overcome the falsehoods. But my grammar/punctuation survived intact, and for that I'm grateful.
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Minister Raymond Butterworth
The only alphabet our children should be taught in school is the abc's. Period. They are children. Just kids. They need to be free to be kids and adults need to stop pushing their ideologies on them.
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Keith
We are all born innocent! Being taught to hate starts very young, when children are most impressionable. It usually begins at home, in some churches, and in some social groups. I agree that teaching should be age-appropriate. However, the sooner, the better. When I say age-appropriate, I mean to teach them simple concepts that they can understand without giving significant details that they want understand. Education is critical in learning and prepares children to navigate societal issues with understanding later in life. If we want to live in a peaceful society and co-exist, then we need to be accepting of other's differences by understanding why they are different, not try to change them just because a government or community tells us it's unacceptable. Just because you think it's so doesn't mean it is so. We are all different for a reason, and that is because if we were all the same, it would be boring, there would be nothing to learn, and we would be like a robot walking around without any reason. So teach your children well where our differences are appreciated and honored and not weaponized to change people to what society thinks is right or wrong or make them into someone you want them to be. It's harmful and creates a toxic environment that isn't necessary. So, let's live, learn, and love our neighbors so that we can all co-exist in peace.
Rev. Keith
Religious “exceptions” should not be permitted in any PUBLIC school, period. If this charter school is public then they’re caving to “religious” BS. If it’s non-public that’s entirely different.
The christian nationalists are hell bent on dismantling public education. What’s next, Muslims dismantling christian schools? Go for it.
No one is born religious. That is the natural way. I choose the natural way. One's religion is the result of geography now.
I’ll give you a tongue in cheek ‘Amen’ on that. That is dead on the mark.
The guys in the white lab coats say otherwise Danny.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/neurotheology-are-we-hardwired-god
Believers in God were the first to be "Born that way".
Now you agree with science SOJ?
Interesting.
Christian zealots only agree with science when its findings can be (mis)interpreted to fit their narrative.
Mike
Science is a tool like a screwdriver or impact wrench. That's all it is. God gave man science back in Genesis. All christians are commanded to use the tool called science.
I don't agree with the science that brought us the thermonuclear warhead. Do you? What about the science that brought us genetically modified food? I think that's bad science. I like the science that brought us the airplane, CD players and antibiotics though. I hope you can see my point.
Maybe you are confusing science with how science is used, or applied?
Interesting indeed. When science agrees with the Bible it's trustworthy. I've been saying that this whole time. It takes science time to sort it out but that's ok, that's how it's supposed to work. Look how long it took for science to figure out the universe is expanding but it did.
Actually it isn't strictly Christianity that they were siding with. What they were saying is that some humans have a stronger sense to believe in something bigger than they are. Christianity is only one of a great many religions out there and isn't even the oldest of them. Also, not everyone is born that way. That was also in there.
As you stated, Religious BS pretty much shows where you stand. I for one, have never considered Religion as BS even though your Religion may be different than mine. We need to back up and ask why we send our children to school in the first place? Some things belong in school, and some don't. I think we all can agree on that. When you tell a child that basically when it comes to gender, that God may have made a mistake, and you get to Change Your Gender? I don't think so. Telling kids that they have a choice is just wrong. Some things they can chose, some they can't. If we let God back in schools, (We never should have thrown him out) we wouldn't be having this discussion. To coin your Frase, the BS is the LGBTQ books in public schools in the first place. Brain washing our kids to be LGBTQ pervert's is not why I send my kids to school. My hat`s off the the Muslims for doing the right thing.
Your “god” was never “thrown out” of schools. That is a fact. What has been rightly prohibited is that staff members cannot lead or sponsor prayer in schools.
On any day at any moment you can bet that there are students who are praying in school. Nothing at all wrong with that.
Being transgender is not saying that your “god” made a “mistake,” as you called it. It is simply being transgender.
People are just tired of all the woke bs. Just like we're tired of people like you telling us we have to believe what you believe. Muslims and Christians and a few other people just want to be respected for our beliefs. SO GROW UP.
What is the 'woke' telling you that you have to believe?
The sad state of affairs here is that the Christian Bible & the Islam Quran are what need to be abolished from the eyes of children. Countless stories of hate, oppression, genocide, and murder as a means of conflict resolution is demonstrated throughout these religious texts. How ironic to suggest anything goes against your so-called religious beliefs.
I'm getting good at saying this Blaine. Last century Atheists murdered over 100 million souls. Atheists are exceedingly good at murdering, they're not bogged down with a conscience and the social constructs of Good or Evil. Ya know what? When the atheists do it, they do it rigorously, logically and legally. 100,000,000+, wow!
Death and children - that's something today's religious conservatives know all about.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2200169
This is not a normal public school, it is a charter s which does have some different rules.
It's their option, after all, this a country where one is free to make choices. If they want their children to be ignorant and hateful, so be it. But pity those children, as they will someday be hating-adults.
Lester, I do pity the children on this blog that hate me because I'm Christian. I've never seen such hate in my life and I get around quite a bit. Dripping, red faced, slobbering hate from the loving and inclusive hive.
Funny thing SOJ, but nobody is trying to make your existence illegal - but conservatives and religious people are working zealously to make the LGBTQ+ illegal.
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
Unless you can show us something affecting you that matches that, it's readily apparent who the real haters are.
My ultra conservative might club(not night club, you have to be mighty to get in)has weekly pow-wows(yes we culturally appropriate cool phrases all day long) on how we can convert everyone that doesn't think, look, walk, talk and act like us. We take a 4.3 hour exam and go through a rigorous physical inspection conducted by barefoot pregnant women(3) to make sure we're still who we say we are before each secret meeting. The final proof is we have to score 10 consecutive bullseye's on a dart board with our next convert's face on it. If anyone and I mean anyone misses the bullseye we take them out back and flog their feet 10 times with a crucifix cane in the shape of Trump's forehead (yes that's possible when you love trump like we do) and mix in one fake swing to psych them out. Works every time and funny as heck. We mean business brother.
Our goal is to make lgbt2qia++ illegal and we're winning. Don't take my word for it, check for yourself and see how many states we've got gay marriage outlawed, it was easier than you'd think. We play mean, we fight to win and if we have to, we'll kick puppies to prove it.
I know you're thinking it, what's our might club called? We call ourselves TazeTee, don't ask why.
For what reason do you harbor such hatred against my daughter that you are trying to make her existence illegal? What harm has she done to you or anyone else in your circle of hate?
Elizabeth, you'll have to ask Kenneth, he's the one who said I'm doing that. I guess I'm in a chart somewhere he read that says so. You know charts, once the inks been laid down it's true.
That's a lot of words trying to trivialize what is shown right in the link SOJ, what you yourself have said many times, even right in this very blog.
Interesting you get such a laugh out of your denial - after lecturing us all about the "Dripping, red faced, slobbering hate from the loving and inclusive hive".
Are you loving and inclusive SOJ? Do tell.
That depends on your definition of inclusive. I go by the legal definition, you'd be surprised how different legal definitions are when measured against cultural definitions which can change from day to day.
Who's trivializing anything? You know how mean you have to be to tug on kitten whiskers and pet dogs against their fur flow? We're down right raskals with a k.
Conservatives get very offended when it is suggested they might be archaic, bigoted, or prejudiced - but by their fruit they are known, as shown in the link, no matter how much you try to ridicule any criticism.
https://www.logicalfallacies.org/appeal-to-ridicule.html
You don't get it. I am archaic. I'm literally archaic. Two generations back in the puts me the 1800's, 3 gets me to the pre civil war age. I literally have an archaic mentality. The gradual adoption of social mentality from generation to generation happened very sparsely for me. I've got quite the perspective on your culture of madness which you mistake for enlightenment. You can find it in the old testament and you can read how it ends, it's quite tragic. It's not new, not one bit.
Three generations back my family members died in bloody battles freeing slaves. I know who I am, I know where I come from and I know where I'm going, you bet I'm archaic. I know a freedom you'll never dream of, your blinders won't allow it nor will the hive.
I've known I've had archaic thinking for a while, I'm glad it's shining through the muck of today. Let's hope someone on the fence reads this and it helps them from the gutter of insanity.
I watched 4 superstars on this site pounce on a woke Christian. Four of you took turns on the poor soul because of their faith in Jesus. You four are self proclaimed woke. That sounds like bigotry if the Christian agreed with every woke principle presented and you four still ridiculed and belittled the Christian. Bigoted bullies lecture on bigotry. Lol, they should know, now check it.
The joy of being an old soul with a free mind is glorious. Thank God for that, I love him.
Ps for the truth seekers: If you search the Internet to find fairies are real you will find it. If you search to find they're fake you'll find it. Don't Woke up, wake up and escape from the hive.
Oh please SOJ - enough with the victimhood and blaming.
Your 'sanity' didn't work when it was written and it doesn't work now. All it is in the hands of most people is justification for bigotry and oppression, which is what we are constantly seeing on this blog, and what we've seen throughout history. All your appeals really are is irresponsible grasping for power and validation.
Other people living their lives differently than you has ZERO impact on you - but the evangelical movement DEMANDS that everybody else live their lives to please them! That's the rub that is rejected, that is WHY your views are NOT accepted! This does NOT make you the victim, it makes you the OPPRESSOR, and no amount of right-wing propaganda or biblical 'interpretation' is ever going to change that - and thinking anything else is the very definition of INSANE.
Im not sure how you got the victim silly talk from my post Kenneth. I stated that I'm free, not a victim of anything. I don't think I'm a victim. Maybe you think I'm a victim of being an oppressor of what or who I don't know. I'm very happy with life, Im not looking at people thinking they've harmed me. I'm really at a loss how you'd make that conclusion. It's like I say the sky's blue and you respond with alligators have tails. I don't think your responses to me are for me, I think they're for you. They don't plug into the topic or conversation. I'm trying to figure out who I've oppressed, you'll have to give some names or something. How I have control is a tough one too. Oppression is usually something you can see and track. I'm just a guy.out in the country, a goat herder. I work on robotics in a factory, I help machine operators all day, I don't control any humans, I'm really at an absolute total loss at who you think I'm oppressing. My wife owns our home and property. I have no control over anyone at all.
The hive does cause madness ya know.
Deny away SOJ - but you are constantly attacking the LGBTQ+, claiming they are all MAPs and out to "GET THE CHILDREN!!", and you have stated numerous times you support anti-LGBTQ+ legislation.
Nobody does that who is afraid of nothing. You feel society, and by extension yourself is being victimized by the LGBTQ+, and, as you yourself have stated numerous times, vote for and advocate anti-LGBTQ+ legislation.
So - you were saying?
I'm sorry to point out that you might have me confused with someone else Kenneth. I've never equated LGBT2QIA++ to MAP although they're knocking on your door and one day you'll let them in.
When you say anti glbtqia++ legislation, I support women in women sports and that sort of thing. No boys in girls bathrooms. Basic common sense stuff. No brainer concepts. I've never voted against gay marriage or anything. I don't recall a single lgbt2qia++ thing I've ever voted on in my lifetime one way or the other. That's a fabrication of yours.
This article is about K-5 students being kept from school by concerned parents that don't want their kids exposed to sexual indoctrination. I agree with the parents, I'd do the same thing. If you disagree with them you can count yourself as part the hive and add yourself to those coming for the kids. That one you can put down I said.
https://www.themonastery.org/blog/nhl-bans-pride-tape-on-hockey-sticks#comment-337397
How many of these do you want me to find SOJ? There's no shortage.
And that's why I say conservatives, particularly religious conservatives are LIARS. They LIE about everything - and then LIE about LYING!
And I'll tell you what you support. You support the 'fairness' in women's sports that says trans-women will ALWAYS lose! You support little girls in dresses and bows and little boys in coveralls and cowboy hats - and NO OTHER sexual indoctrination! You literally preach the gospel of Fox News then tell everybody else they are "part of the hive"!
And if you espouse all those views, then don't vote to support them, then you are not only a bigot, but a very ineffective one. Shame on you.
You LIE, LIE, LIE, LIE LIE.