“Thou shalt not kill” is coming to a classroom near you.
Louisiana seems poised to become the first state to legally mandate that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every classroom. House Bill 71 passed in an overwhelming vote of 30-8 in the State Senate. Now, the bill heads to Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry’s desk, where he will almost certainly sign it into law.
The move has critics up in arms, and raises questions about legal challenges.
Should the Ten Commandments be mandated in public schools across the state? And how are advocates getting around the obvious Constitutional issues?
Constitutional Violation?
“The purpose is not solely religious,” explained State Senator Jay Morris. Instead, he says, the Ten Commandments are going into classrooms for their "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
Critics are calling this a “get out of a Constitutional violation free” card. Lawmakers and advocates argue that the Ten Commandments are not singularly religious, and hold an important place in the history of the United States. Therefore, posting the Ten Commandments in classrooms across the state doesn’t constitute the state promoting Christianity.
It’s similar to the logic the state of Tennessee used when making the Holy Bible one of their official state books.
Lawmakers in favor of the measure argue that the Ten Commandments are an integral part of Louisiana history, and they form the “basis of all laws in Louisiana,” as bill author Dodie Horton says.
Still, there do appear to be religious motives at play. Indeed, Horton herself argues the bill serves a higher purpose.
“I’m not concerned with an atheist. I’m not concerned with a Muslim,” she stated regarding non-Christian teachers who might be against the Ten Commandments being put up in their classroom against their will.
“I’m concerned with our children looking and seeing what God’s law is.”
Thou Shalt Display This
The bill leaves no stone unturned. Having likely viewed legal challenges that stopped similar bills in other states dead in their tracks, the bill’s authors ensured that the posters must be privately funded, and even specified the exact language that will soon be required in every classroom in the state of Louisiana:
The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
Among many other gripes, opponents point out that Christian activists have been quick to rally around removing books with LGBTQ+ content from schools on the grounds that children should not be learning about "sexual" content at such a young age… only to legally mandate the words "adultery" be posted in every classroom in the state.
Will It Work?
Despite the overwhelming vote in the State Senate, not every lawmaker was in favor. State Sen. Royce Duplessis, who is Catholic, opposes the measure. “I didn’t have to learn the Ten Commandments in school. We went to Sunday school,” he explains. “You want your kids to learn about the Ten Commandments, take them to church."
What do you think? Critics argue that this is a blatant attempt to inject Christianity into schools, using a flimsy justification that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. But advocates say the Ten Commandments hold significant legal significance in U.S. history… and also, the kids need Jesus.
Should the state manage to thwart the inevitable legal challenges, it seems likely that other states will follow suit; Utah is already looking at near-identical legislation.
What do you think? Should the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms?
215 comments
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Michael Sciulli
From minster mike yes good have tem comments in school
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William McMillian
I believe the 10 Commandments are a product of the Old Testament to help humankind not to bolster control over people. Present day Christianity would enslave people to a church. If we were to have a Christian nation which one would it be Catholic, evangelical, Mormon, Presbyterianism, Episcopalian, Baptist, Nazarene, etc? That doesn’t sound like one nation under one God. The separation of church and state has kept us from becoming a nation of warring ideologies like some in the Middle East, medieval Europe, and various Asiatic countries like south Vietnam with a Catholic leadership ruling an overwhelming majority of Buddhists.
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JaZe
Ulysses Grant firmly believed that State and Religion should be separate forever. Amen!
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Linda Altman
No, the 10 commandments do not belong in public schools. They are not a historical part of the United States as they were not created here, nor were they handed to Moses here. Also, 10 is not the correct number, there are actually 613. Why not put all of them on a poster. If you want what the country was founded on, use the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. For those of you who want your children raised in a truly Christian environment, homeschool or send your kids to a private, Christian school.
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Daniel Gray
And neither were a lot of the treaties that the Senate passed and the President signed into law here, so whats your point?
Oh and the SCOTUS already said in the newdow decisions that they CAN be posted in the schools. So if you dont like it then argue with them
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Melaine Rae Thompson
I don’t believe the 10 Commandments should be place in schools unless you post the main tenets from the other religions as well. As far as it being historical, since Jesus was Jewish they should post the Torah and since quite a few founding fathers were Free Masons, how about adding that as well. It is definitely a thinly veiled attempt to force one religion on all which is not the idea that what this country was founded on.
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Boyd Miller
Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou shall not bear false witness. Thou shall not covet. Thou shall sell Bibles to the ignorant, but only to pay legal expenses.
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Larry G McKinney
It’s no wonder these deeply religious, right wing, Deep South states almost always score poorly (bottom 10%) in so many quality of life measurements. Education, healthcare, et al. How about they save space and hang one rule; the Golden one?
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Mark P. Bender
Without this groundwork we are lost. Nothing has changed. Not then, and not now.
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Rev. Rory
In his 1994 book, Pale Blue Dot, Carl Sagan comments on what he sees as the greater significance of the photograph (of the earth from Voyager), writing:
From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of any particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
— Carl Sagan
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
This is 100% WRONG.
The 1st Amendment in the USA states that no laws shall be made recognizing any religion, or forbidding the practice thereof. This INCLUDES forcing it down people's throats and their kids' throats.
There's ALREADY private christian and catholic schools. The fact that they are NOW trying to FORCE it onto schools that are for everyone is pure EVIL.
It's basically telling all the kids who are Jewish, all the kids who are Muslim, all the kids whose families are pagan, all the kids who are taoist, all the kids who are hindu, etc.... that they are "evil." It's telling the kids, and their families, that they are no longer WELCOME in the american school systems.
They are telling a MASSIVE swath of the nation that "You either worship the way WE worship, or we're going to harass you, throw your kids out of the schools, and make it so it's ILLEGAL for you to even be alive in the United States.
The states that are doing this are SHATTERING the 1st Amendment to pieces and this SHOULD be brought up as a 1st Amendment issue in the courts.
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Mark P. Bender
Thou shall not kill should apply to all.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
Thalt shalt not kill, should apply to all? Does “all” apply to the Christian/Hebrew God, that drowned everyone on Earth, some 4895 years ago, when it drowned everyone except Noah and his family, just because it screwed-up when it created Adam and Eve, by causing them to be created possessing the capability to sin, by doing the dirty, without the benefit of being married?
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
It applies to ALL religions. That being said, no religion should EVER be taught in a school. It also is taught as a law in the USA - killing is against the Law and punishable by prison time or even a death sentence.
That being said, that is ALSO true if you don't follow ANY religions at all, aka Atheist, or believe in a higher power but do not worship any religion or any single god aka Agnostic.
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Clay Serenbetz
"Thou shall not kill" does apply in all in modern criminal statutes that have nothing to do with religion or the 10 Commandments. If the Sheriff is going to post on the jail wall, he or she should post all modern criminal Statutes irrespective of any religion.
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Paul Edward Nunis
"One of many" that have historical significance. Which is Constitutionally fine if all the others are required to be equally posted... such as Solon and Hammurabi (the basis of Law), al-Kwarizmi, the father of Algebra, LaoTse and the rest.
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ether_ore
George Carlin did a really good riff on this, but to my mind, if there are ten things we should put up in classrooms it would be the Bill or Rights, the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution rather than the Ten Commandments. You don’t even have to get into the whole establishment of religion question at all!
The majority of these commandments are diametrically opposed to rights enumerated to us in the Bill of Rights, so that should be the end of the discussion right there. No need to go any farther.
Commandments 1, 2, 4, 5, and 10 all amount to thought crimes. Holding someone guilty for the thoughts that go on in their minds, whether they are acted upon or not. Could there be anything more un-American than that?
Commandments 2, 3, and 9 all restrict our first amendment right of free speech.
Commandment 7 might reasonably be seen as restricting free association.
The only commandments that are NOT either implicitly or explicitly restricted in the bill of rights are 6 and 8. And do we really need some religious document posted in every classroom to get the point across that it’s bad to steal and kill? I mean, leaving aside the second amendment nut jobs who seem to have no problem with killings IN the classrooms, just as long as you don’t take their AR-15s away.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
And then these people want to complain about social emotional learning techniques in schools ...basically the same thing... how to get along with other people and be a good person.
Please.
Dangerous Right Wing political garbage.
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Jade Selene Crowley
Yes put God back in school, government, church, home, on the throne of His country instead of another sinful flawed man. We are ALL sinful and fall short of God's glory. If you say you have no sin then you do sin because you lie. Lying is a sin. None are good except God. The 10 are NOT to save you, they are to help you stay a human being instead of a demonically - controlled vessel. You serve God or devil, there's no in between so make a choice or have it made because no choice is a choice.
God knows we're ALL evil and nothing good, He gave us rules and boundaries so we behave as humans with Him and each other. We're training our children to be the same with these same rules and boundaries.
These were for Israel then and still for all people today and tomorrow. He never changed for God does not change He was same yesterday. He's same today and will be the same tomorrow.
Jesus saves you by the cross where He became the one final sacrifice for ALL. He did it when we were still sinful. God's law is sin requires blood sacrifice to be forgiven. Jesus' one time sacrifice satisfied God's law. He died in our place because without forgiveness there's no life. That's how much He loves YOU.
Whenever someone believes, accepts, confesses Jesus is their Lord that one is saved and that name is instantly written in Jesus' Lamb's Book of Life in blood, His own blood He spilled to save sinful wicked man. Blood that cannot be erased that seals that one to Him. His Holy Spirit indwells believer to guide, advise, and teach who God is and how to be like Jesus.
No longer lost, the one is fully redeemed and purchased sealed until Jesus' return to gather His bride church for marriage supper and rewarding of eternal life.
The believer is not their own, they belong to God through Jesus' willing sacrifice so they are no longer sinful to God, they're washed clean in the blood and sealed in the blood. They are forgiven of all sins.
When they do sin, they confess to Jesus, repent by changing mind avoiding sin then asking for forgiveness, they are forgiven and clean before God again.
We're to strive to be like Jesus; loving, serving, and forgiving our neighbor 70x7. This is why we talk with (pray) and study Bible, His Word teaches us how to behave with our neighbor, how to treat God, and how to behave as Jesus does.
Jesus said He did not come to do away with the law, He fulfilled it. He did by living it demonstrating how to do it every day He lived on Earth. He taught us how and made it simple since we are children. He gave us 2 in place of 10;
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, might.
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Yes you are to love yourself too. If not HOW would you learn to love your neighbor?
Within these 2 you find the 10. In other words, anything you wouldn't do to yourself do NOT do to anyone else no matter what - your neighbor.
Gods will is keep the 2 and this;
2 Chronicles 7:14
Until this happens here Manasseh (America) will be handed over to foreigners then trampled underfoot of Antichrist until times of Gentiles completed. The same goes for his little brother Ephraim (Britain) along with entire world. It's happening right now. This is consequence of unrepentant sin.
Face it we ARE a part of Abrahamic Covenant both old and new. Jacob was renamed Israel. He had a son Joseph who had 2 sons Manasseh and Ephraim. These 2 went on to form what is America and Britain. Keep your eye on Israel. As Israel goes so do we and the whole world.
Notice NEITHER Manasseh or Ephraim appear safe in Revelation. Because of their grievous sins they were both removed and trampled underfoot until broken into pieces of nothing. Right now both nations are on a fast descent from God's special favor. This is result of sinful behaviors and Godless choices. Disobedience reaps strong discipline. All parents KNOW this well.
You will serve one or the other. God is very clear about this and He does not mince words, re - read His Word The Bible and see what He has to say about these last days, these sins, and the future of both nations. Opinion matters not every one will either be for God or against. When it's all over EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess JESUS is Lord of all.
satan, lucifer, devil all the same, hell is his and his numberless demons future as well as anyone NOT found in Jesus' Lambs Book of Life. If you are not believing, confessing, repenting, serving as Jesus commanded especially through 10 commandments, well you will not be found in His book.
These are His Words and not mine, yet I will speak what He gives because I love Him over all, He IS my Lord and Savior, and I am obedient because I love Him for He loved me first.
May we heat The Word of The Lord, repent as a nation, and return to God immediately. This is my feverant prayer.
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
but...but...but what if I don't believe in your silly nonsense? or someone believes in something entirely different than you? why do YOU get to decide what other people should believe? you sound very much like a kristofascist evangeliban who wants a theocracy.
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Clay Serenbetz
It sounds like your really invested in your religious beliefs. The wonder of America is that you cannot force those beliefs on me, no matter how much you wish that you could. Are you sure that your omnipotent God exists? I have my serious doubts and I'm entitled to them.
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Clay Serenbetz
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
I'm not a sinner. I've never sinned. I've got a friend named Odin.
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Maria Elisa Koch
I grew up in the '60s, we had to go to religion class one day a week. It was never taught in any school, why? There were kids with other beliefs; why do they want to do this? Christianly is not the main religion here. the Jewish is the oldest( possible). Church and school has always been separate what change?
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Travis McMillan
I want to put this out there.
We are going to have to make some well-thought-out decisions and stick to them. It's a simple choice and it comes from a question that Diamond Dallas Page posed during his Yoga instruction that carried into nearly every aspect of my life; What Do You Want?
This is a question that forces you to seriously critically analyze your decisions and anticipate problems that arise from it.
In this case, we're going to have to ask if we want Ideology in our classroom? If the answer is yes, then prepare for every ideology to be given equal weight. That means you're going to see rainbow flags in the classroom as well as many other things with which you may not agree and you are probably right on some of them. If not, then that means even your own can be barred entry. That would mean no Ten Commandments but also, none of those pornographic books for 8-year-olds and no teachers sharing their sexual exploits with them. No political, sexual, etc. ideology whatsoever. That's what that means. We see where the special treatment has gotten us and it's not fantastic at all, people.
Now, private schools are private for a reason so my thinking on that is that they can put anything they want in there. Fair Game and all, but not public schools.
In my own opinion, public schools should only be teaching the subjects of critical thinking, history, reading, writing, STEM, physical education (health), Civics, home economics and trades...that's it. Spiritual values and religion is the domain of the home, the parent and the minister. That's where it should stay and it should also be handled without these institutions using obfuscation and slick language to try to cover up the fact that sometimes, you may not have the answers the kid is seeking. Be honest about that and try to find out together.
The honesty is where it falls short at times. I'll be writing more on my substack about it. I'm against it because I simply don't want ideology taught in school. We need smarter people emerging ready to start businesses and ready to get out there and help build our economy back up. That's really all.
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Michelle Kitz
Um... NO. This is a violation of the separation of church and state, plain and simple. The first five commandments relate specifically to a god, not god as I see them. If I were a parent there, I'd be very angry. Even as someone who doesn't live there, I find it a terrible precedent and I imagine this one will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court where I hope they'll make the right decision. But I don't have much faith in them either.
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Daniel Gray
And this is your problem as the SCOTUS clearly ruled they do not specifically mention the name of any one God. And I am fairly certain they dont have much faith in your understanding of the government either
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Dr Rohn
Well said!
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Theresa C. Marquess
Personally I like the Golden Rule...'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' It's a matter of ethics, of respect.
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Alice Ann Deanin
In the 1950s, we had to recite the Lord's Prayer along with the Pledge of Allegiance in Connecticut Public Schools. I had hoped we had grown past this kind of disrespect.
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Keith Law
n no way, shape, or form was the United States founded on the Christian religion. This is an obvious historical fact. In the Treaty of Tripoli, Art. 11 (look it up) Congress under Jefferson stated exactly that, and John Adams signed it into law. No one found that offensive at all.
The people of the Old and New treatment did not govern themselves by a social contract. The notion is rooted in Enlightenment philosophers.
This is all based on lies and hypocrisy. The Founders sought a govt that respected all religious beliefs by respecting no religious beliefs legislatively.
Go Christians!
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Keith Law
In no way, shape, or form was the United States founded on the Christian religion. This is an obvious historical fact. In the Treaty of Tripoli, Art. 11 (look it up) Congress under Jefferson stated exactly that, and Adam Smith signed it into law. No one found that offensive at all.
The people of the Old and New treatment did not govern themselves by a social contract. The notion is rooted in Enlightenment philosophers.
This is all based on lies and hypocrisy. The Founders sought a govt that respected all religious beliefs by respecting no religious beliefs legislatively.
Go Christians!
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Patricia A. Ferguson
How many teachers will refuse to engage in conversatios with 2nd graders about what adultery is. This is opening too many possibilities where the teachers will be forced to teach religion and subjects not pertaining to the pertinent curriculum. I vote no, not that anyone gives a damn.
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Steven Ferrell
We need a bit of scripture back in schools. Things have deteriorated since they took it out.
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Clay Serenbetz
None of my schools had scripture. As far as I know, society didn't collapse then and will not collapse today, unless supporters of the Donald revolt again.
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Stella L. Wright
The Ten Commandments are God's laws for ALL people regardless of their religious sect, and is the baseline for many of our laws and mores. I believe that it is a good idea to provide that baseline to students in the classroom.
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Kathy Kristine Norris
My thoughts may seem simple, but couldn't the schools teach civil morality without bringing church into the classroom? These are teachings that should be taught at home in the early formative years. Some of these teachings from the commandments are reinforced through our time in school, like coveting. You covet your classmate’s girlfriend and you are liable to get a black eye. Stealing too. The Sabbath means something different to all people of all religions. I took a class in public school, Sociology, taught by a teacher that was a preachers wife and not once did she ever bring up God or the Ten Commandments. She also taught a Government class and never mentioned God. The US government has got to stop the CONTROL with religious authority, plain and simple. Freedom of religion means something different to the GOV. If politics is taught from the pulpit, tax the church. Separation of church and state now seems to be a big joke. When this country wakes up and realizes we are NOT all Christian faith, it will be great again. Until then, hang on, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride!
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Daniel I. Rippeteau
Definition of blasphemy “To make secular that which is Holy.” Posting the Ten Commandments in a public space is the very definition of blasphemy.
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Daniel Gray
says who? You?
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Martin L Stigleman
Not a problem...Post them... BUT, for actual historical reference, they need to be required to be posted as they were originally written...IN OLD HEBREW. Also, for historical context to be significant, they should be required to supply the name and a short biography of the one who wrote them. OH! You say "GOD" wrote them? WHICH God? There are a multitude of gods that are worshipped around the World. Are you saying THE CHRISTIAN God? Oh...so you are pushing for an item to be included based on a religious belief? UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!
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Dorothy Hawkins
I worked in a public school district with many different faith traditions represented in the population of the district. We got together, the church & school leaders, the parents and the teachers, and decided upon certain qualities of character all faiths wanted to be taught. We put these ("integrity" "honesty" "respectfulness", etc.) on posters in every classroom K-grade 12, and highlighted when students were actively showing these positive core character traits. This bolstered classroom participation everywhere in a uniform way, and reinforced the main points of each religion - all without the heavy hammer of Christendom's "10 Commandments" being seen or discussed. A secular answer exists - and doesn't have to conflict with anyone's beliefs.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
Public schools? Absolutely not, that's governmental respecting an establishment of religion, as in sponsoring it. It's not basic morality. The first four of those commandments have absolutely nothing to do with basic morality and everything to do with demanding sole worship of a particular deity in the way that deity wants. No children need to be taught that outside of their own homes or churches, ever. This stuff is what private religious schools are for.
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Daniel Gray
what part of the Newdow decisions do you or intentionally refusing to understand?
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Rolando Couce
THAT IS GREAT NEWS IS BETTER THAN TEACHING KIDS HOW TO DRESS IN DRAG
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Ian Robinson
OK lets throw the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. The Ten Commandments are NOT Christian in origin, they are Judaic. They were the commandments given to Moses by God. Jesus stated that he had come to replace the old covenants with the new, therefore the Old Testament was no longer needed and the commandments that still applied to the followers of Jesus were reiterated by Jesus. For example, in the Old Testament it says that one must not commit adultery whilst in the New Testament it says not to defile the marriage bed. The Ten Commandments are important to All Pantheistic and Monotheistic religions as they are the basic moral code by which we should live by. I agree that ALL schools in both America and the UK should display the Ten Commandments even though I am a Shaman and Wiccan High Priest.
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Thomas P. Davis
The ten commandments are not Judaic, they were inexistence prior to Adam and Eve. Sin is the transgression of the law. Eve could not have sinned if the law was not in affect. Joseph would not have said "Gen 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? etc and etc. The fourth commandment starts off with the word remember "Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. You can only remember something that you forgot. The Israelites were in bondage for 430 years and forgot much during that time. We cannot even remember the names of some of our relatives from a few generations ago. The giving of the commandments were to revitalize their memories. This verse in the bible says that we will continue to keep them in heaven. "Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
What? The 10 Commandments were given to Moses, to present to the people.
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Michael Sciulli
From minister Mike we must fallow the Bible and read book revelation. This happing know in century don’t worry about what going happen believe in Jesus.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
So Americans in LA have opted to go full bore in displaying their willful ignorance, lack of education and ignore the separation of church and State. I’ve been to LA and the peopke I saw and met didn’t strike me as the sharpest pins in the packets of States.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
The tenth of the “Ten Commandments” condemning those who covet their neighbors wives, homes, lawn, cars, landscaping, clothes they wear to church, where their neighbors spend vacations, send their kids to school, etc; etc; are anti-capitalistic, so are most probably communistic/socialistic in their origin, at a time when the Christian Heaven was formerly a communist/socialistic eternal paradise. But now that the Christian Heaven has transitioned into a plutocracy, coveting is now good, so it’s time for the Christian God to send a new messenger, with a revised tenth commandment, this time praising coveting, for the fortunes it provides to big business,
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Chris
“I’m not concerned with an atheist. I’m not concerned with a Muslim...." Pretty much sums up their position. These people don't care about anyone but themselves. They even overlook the very obvious point that our constitution was NOT focused on these Jewish laws (not christian, Jewish). The very first amendment shows this to be blatantly false. And show me where in the constitution it says to honor your parents? Or honor the sabbath day and keep it holy, not by watching sportsball or car races? This is blind zeal forcing itself on everyone regardless of the rights of others. They are dragging this country down further and further with each action like this.
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Daniel Gray
And name me one atheist or Muslum or any other religion that cares what Christians think. Sort of selective reasoning from you isnt it?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Mr Gray, Name me one Abrahamic that care what any other religion thinks. It's the Abrahamics that coined the phrase. "Convert or die".
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Daniel Gray
Your ignorance of history showing up again? The person who coined the phrase of "convert or die" was Muhammed. As a matter of fact according to the haddith (which is the story of Muhammed's life he gives a difficult choice. You convert to Islam or you die, and if you change your religion, you die. Its called apostasy and one women In the Sudan was condemned to death for refusing to convert to Islam, Quran 2:193 and 9:5
You really should know what you are talking about before you start talking.
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Russel A. Kester
Daniel, you certainly are well read.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Daniel .... Muhammad was an Abrahamic. Abrahamics are Jews, Muslims and Christians. Muhammad did perform forced conversions in the 4th Century and then Charlemagne in the eighth century for Christianity. So, who's the ignorant one?
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Daniel Gray
Sigh how amusing that you still have people who believe in the myth of Separation of Church and state and yet will refuse to show where in Article 3 it gives the courts the right to "interpret" anything.
SCOTUS already said in their newdow decisions that as long as it does not specifically mention a deity, then its legal. Newdow whined and complained that the SCOTUS should not have Moses up on the trim in their hearing room and that "in God We Trust" should not be on the money. Newdow got slapped down so hard that you have never heard from him again. It was also ruled that you could put a cross on a courthouse or government building, as long as you allowed other religions to place their images there as well. And need I remind you naysayers, that a school fired a coach for taking a knee and praying on his own at football games and then the case went all the way to the SCOTUS who not only overturned it but forced the school board to almost go into bankruptcy as they had to pay him close to 2 MILLION Dollars in bonuses and back pay and benefits as well as issue a public apology and pay for his attorneys and court costs, and then got slapped by the courts yet again for trying to force him out after he made a fool of them https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf
But then again all you have to do is read this thread and see how many completely misinformed and uninformed people are here claiming separation of church and state.
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James Riggle-Johnson
I think it’s obvious that the conservative justices on SCOTUS lean in favor of religion. It doesn’t make it right.
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Daniel Gray
Um sorry but the decision about the coach was made when the left had the sway on the court. Same about the decision that Maine had to give tax monies to schools who were classified as religious, same for when the schools got slapped down for telling students that they could not wear religion themed T shirts. Same for when the schools were ordered to set aside time for religious studies and on school property.
So you cant blame the conservative judges for this as ALL of these decisions came when there were more liberals on the court then anything else.
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James Riggle-Johnson
So, let me think… the same people who don’t want to talk about slavery in school, because it makes white children feel uncomfortable now wish to post the Ten Commandments. These same people who are removing books from libraries. The same people who claim the LGBTQ agenda is grooming their children. Who’s grooming who? I wonder what parents of other faiths, or no faith, feel about their children having this forced upon them?
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Russel A. Kester
James, I think you state the idea wrongly when you write that they don't want to teach about slavery because it makes white kids uncomfortable. They do believe it should be taught as that is an important part of our history. What they object to is how radical activists want to teach that history. One should not make a young eight year old boy stand and tell the class he's a horrible, white racist, as well as a boy, and so is a horrible person who cannot be redeemed. That Is so wrong. And no one need write that it doesn't happen as I've seen the videos that were secretly recorded. They do want everyone to know about this period of our history and that it was wrong. They also want the kids to know that slavery had been practiced in Greece and Rome and Africa and the Arabian peninsula for thousands of years and all of it was wrong.
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Bond Wright
These videos that you have seen...what is the reference so that I can see them, too. Give the reference. I want to share them and quote them to others as I give lectures on these topics all the time. If you can't cite them, then you have no proof and instead are spreading harmful misinformation. I would like to see you be as protective of the little girl in the classes as you are the little boy. Is this sexism? If so, perhaps you need your consciousness raised. EVERYONE should be respected and treated with kindness. No exceptions.Cite your reference.
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Russel A. Kester
Bond, as I wrote, I saw the videos, I didn't save them to a file. You can believe me or not. And why do you ask about little girls? The video was of a little boy.
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CraigB
When and where did this happen?
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
The most anti-capitalist commandment, of all times, is the Christian Gods telling the mythical Moses, that coveting ones neighbors property is a mortal sin against the Holy Ghost. For without coveting the belongings of others, capitalism would collapse, and all GOP-types would be forced to become fascists, and/or communistic/socialists. Or, what the GOP now calls freeloaders.
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Michael James Mason
This will get tested in Federal Court
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Donald J Rothschild Jr
Unfortunately the current makeup of the Supreme Court is such that they either won’t get involved or will allow it. We have the most corrupt Supreme Court ever. The only court that is not bound to any of the processes that other courts are bound to. Time for a remake of the court, including ending lifetime appointments.
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James Riggle-Johnson
It’s really sad… 68% of Americans have no faith in the Supreme Court anymore.
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Amber Fry
That number will climb before this is over. Its' going to take athe couple of zeolots being removed to fix this.
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Daniel Gray
No it wont as the SCOTUS has already ruled that its perfectly legal according to the NEWDOW decisions. Try again
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Michael Hunt
Newdow lost his cases due to a lack of standing, not on the merits of the case...
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Rev. Dee
Welcome to the Republic of Gilead! 😔
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Jeffery Simpson
I'm sorry bet the U.S's White Christian Nationalism movement is unequivocally such a hypocritical bunch of monsters and are so far off the deep end God Himself shall see them sent to Damnned Nation. So if you're a follower if this evil Cult then I'd suggest actually reading and comprehending the Bible. GOD IS REAL, HELL IS REAL AND HID RETRIBUTION IS REAL SO YOU ALL ARE HEADED TO HELL ON THE NON-STOP EXPRESS TRAIN STRAIGHT THERE. I don't like to pass judgement and label folks but this Trump fake Christian movement is the Devils work.
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Thomas P. Davis
As one person said he is not concerned about Trump nor Biden, they are just puppets. He is concerned about the puppeteers that pull their strings. The bible says "Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. It DOES NOT SAY the whole world will wonder after a political group.
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ServantOfJudgement
That's right Thomas.
It's the puppeteers. We know all presidents have handlers these days. If one sees wickedness in trump he should see wickedness in Biden or vise versa. If their vision is true it should be apparent. If one sees wickedness in only one of the two, they're blind to the truth.Jeffery, I most of the people I know are trump voters, a few are Biden voters. None of the trump voters I know are Christian nationalists.
That said, after Revelation has been fulfilled we will all be living in a global Christian nation under a dictator named Jesus The Christ right?
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Thomas P. Davis
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
What happened to separation of church and state? I don't want to live in a theocratic nation.
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Daniel Gray
Does not and never has existed.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
I believe you are incorrect: https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-29
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Daniel Gray
And I know you are incorrect as the Constitution was made supreme law of the land in 1787. The first mention of your myth of this separation of church and state was not made until 1802, 15 years later in a letter. By the time the letter was written it would have taken a constitutional amendment to put this myth in the Constitution and to this day in 2024, the library of Congress shows absolutely NO record of any constitutional amendment for this.SO it makes absolutely no difference what your source says, The Constitution is extremely clear on what was written and how it can be amended. As if you will check, since 1787 over 22,000 attempts have been made to try and add to or remove from the Constitution and so far only 27 have actually made it. And it has become extremely difficult to amend the constitution as the SCOTUS has set a time limit of 5 years minimum and 7 years maximum to get an amendment passed or it dies and is never brought back up again. You really should work on your knowledge of government and the Constitution
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Russel A. Kester
Matthew, that was a very interesting article! I'm glad I read it. I read in the Federalist Paper No. 2 the following, "a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion," which argued for a federal government because the separate states had these things in common which includes religion (Christianity). So, according to the article I would be more of a minimalist on the idea of separation of church and state. While church and state are two different institutions, the people are one and the same.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
The American people are not of a common ancestry and don't speak a common language.
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Russel A. Kester
Perhaps not today, but they did at our nation's founding as reflected in the Federalist Papers from which I quoted. So, in the future we might be able to discuss how these changes affected us a a people. Can we even apply the idea of e pluribus unum anymore as we once could?
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Thomas P. Davis
We will sooner or later, the bible tells us that this country "Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
the kris chin taliban strikes again. has anyone there in louisiana stop to think that maybe they should concentrate on education instead of religion because louisiana ranks 49th in education, second only to arizona at 50th...at thnope bottom!
nope nope, the kris chin taliban only want to 'teach' religion, education is not important because religion feeds on ignorance. keep on keeping louisiana, shoot for the bottom ranking and ya'll can chant, "we're number 50, we're number 50..."
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Outlaw the kris chin taliban.
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Daniel Gray
Oh so if people dont believe the way you do then you want them to have that thought illegal. So you are the thought police now?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
We have separation of church and state in America for a reason. Louisiana is trying to create a theocracy, and I'm against that. More crimes have been created in the name of the God of Abraham than for any other reason (ie: the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Witch Trials, the eternal Palestine/Israel war, Islamic jyhads and so much more).
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Daniel Gray
No sir we do not as it has never been brought up as a constitutional amendment and the first mention of this myth was 15 years AFTER the Constitution was made supreme law of the land and no record of any constitutional amendment for this has ever been made or listed in the Library of Congress.
And please dont start on the decision of the SCOTUS as nothing in Article 3 (powers of the Judiciary) does it give or ever have given the SCOTUS the right to interpret anything nor can they claim authority that they dont have as per the 10th Amendment
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Michael Hunt
As you've been told countless times now Daniel, the First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That part of the amendment provides us with the separation of church and state. The phrase "separation of church and state" is simply the shorthand used to describe what the First Amendment means.
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Russel A. Kester
Michael, I'm not sure that's true. Acknowledging that they are two separate things as group nouns or universal statements doesn't mean that they cannot or do not influence one another.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
"Oh so if people dont believe the way you do then you want them to have that thought illegal." That's exactly what the christians are trying to do.
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Daniel Gray
Really? name it then. just claiming it shows its your OPINION and not based on fact
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Amber Fry
That would be what the Christian Nationalist agenda is right now. Believe whatever you want but keep it to your home and your church. Leave the rest of us alone. Every time religion tries to muscle in to control everyone it turns into a bloody war that nobody survives. Don't you think religious wars have caused enough pain an suffering by now?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.
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Russel A. Kester
There may be merit to their arguments.
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ServantOfJudgement
Once they started teaching kids they're animals they started acting like animals. And why not? It took a few years for it to fully set in and once it did we got to experience school shootings.
If we start teaching kids they're not animals it'll take some time before they stop acting like animals.
Though I'm not fond of forcing an ideology on people that don't want it, displaying the ten commandments is an appropriate response to countering the woke ideology being dished out across the country today.
The pendulum swings until it doesn't.
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James Riggle-Johnson
They go too far, Servant. It’s not their right to teach faith to children of non-believers. It’s not their right to teach Christianity to children of other faiths.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
It also teaches children they can ignore rules (e.g. the 1st aendment) they don't like.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
It also teaches children they can ignore rules (e.g. the 1st amendment) they don't like.
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Bond Wright
Animals are our relatives. Animals do not do the heinous things humans do. Animals kill to get and eat food. Humans kill to get their "ten commandments" shoved down everyone's throats--or else. Humans are savagely sadistic toward other humans and animals. The term "woke ideology" was created by jealous, loveless, lazy cowards who refuse to take any responsibility for themselves. It's original meaning was "to raise your consciousness" about brutality towards animals, sexism, ageism, homophobia, classism and physically challenged folks' struggles in life". It was created in the late 60's and 70's wherein people would participate (voluntarily) in weekly and weekend groups and workshops to explore one's ignorance, brainwashing and prejudices toward others and come out a better, more loving person. The very voluntary act, itself, of participation in a consciousness raising group was a LOVING and NOBLE act. And, it took psychological work to rid oneself of all the prejudice and brainwashing one was taught as a child growing up. Humans are not born hateful. That has to be taught to them. Recognize the US Constitution and keep your religion out of public schools.
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ServantOfJudgement
If Woke was once good, it's been corrupted. Definitely not good when you tell a certain race it's racist right out of the box and tell another race it's incapable of racism. That junk needs to be in a woke church somewhere, not school, just like religion for it is one nowadays.
Although you're right about humans being more vile than the animal kingdom, they do kill and torture for pleasure. They rape the unwilling. They're selfish and will take more than they need while letting others starve. Chimpanzees will steal a fresh born baby and eat it in front of its mother. They commit murder of one another.
We, the lords of the animal kingdom however fully put them to shame in all things grotesque and beautiful. We're advanced beyond imagination when measured against any animal on the planet. Their limits are known and ours appear to have no end, divinely gifted and then maliciously corrupted.
When they got god out of school, they replaced him with a new religion. Christians push back and get God back in school. Woke will push back and get itself back into school. More and more, stronger measures from each side, again and again.
Until it crumbles the pendulum will swing.
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
And Christians used to kill anyone that refused to convert. They also killed scientists and burned books
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Rev. Carol M Anaski-Figurski
Interesting topic! I believe it should be in the class rooms & I they should bring back prayer & the pledge of allegience. They can also add the dimensions of multi faith for all to be accepts & welcome & teach freedom of religions. God as a core belief systems is very powerful. It is importance to teach it so they have some sort of moral compass in today's society.
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James Riggle-Johnson
What about the parents who are non-believers? Don't they have any rights?
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
Only christians have rights. :(
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Mark P. Bender
Not designed for the Parents who are non believers you can be Pagan. It's also net designed for Pagens to raise their Children in a Christiin way. That's up to you to choose how you want your Children to be. For them a challenge and for others an opportunity. That explains Rights.
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Rev. Michael Gerraghty II
Good ole Christian nationalism intruding on everyone and as always not respecting the 4k other recognized religions in this world.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
Christians have no respect for other religions, nor even for other sects of christianity.
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Joy
Well, I guess be thankful that the original 613 are not going to be posted up?
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Merlin
No problem if all nonsecular references are removed.
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Lionheart
It would be nice if there was any real demonstrable evidence that Moses and the his God really existed. We have evidence that Joseph Smith was real, but even his plates of gold somehow miraculously disappeared. 🤷🏼
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Daniel Gray
just as much evidence that they do exist as there is for some to say they dont.
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CJC
DG- What evidence do you have? Serious question.
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Daniel Gray
And here is the same question I originally asked...what proof do you have that they didnt exist?
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Michael Hunt
The burden of proof is on the side of someone saying that someone or something existed. Lack of evidence can be proof that something does not exist.
Prove to me that unicorns do not exist. There's as much proof of unicorns existing as there is proof that God is real.
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Donald J Rothschild Jr
The Ten Commandments were written by men to control the masses. And the hypocrisy of those who profess to follow the Ten Commandments is unbelievable. How many so called Christians have violated more than one? The numbers are staggering. And so many evangelicals pick and chose which commandment they will follow and which the won’t unless it fits their needs. Keep religion out of the classroom and put it back into the churches where it belongs.
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Stacey Owens
No one can keep the commandments. It was given to revealed the nature of mens soul. A guide to show man their actions in the sight of God, which would reveal the nature of the soul. To force this law to make children obey, is to cause them to believe in a lie. They would never come to worship God but man. Jesus Christ is the end of the law of righteousness.
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Danny D. Maynard
And Trump will be the end of Jesus!
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Thomas P. Davis
Not written by man. Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Yes, so called Christians are Buffet style Christians. The pick what they like and discard the rest and give the name of Christ a bad rap.
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Stacey Owens
Christ never spoke of belivers as christain, he called them deciples. He spoke, The Word is God. The fact that he had spoken shows he was sent by God. The authority of Jesus Christ was the Word of God. It was the life. The Word sancified him that he was sent. As it is written, "if you receive me you receive my Father also". Gods name was in Him: (THE WORD). His Name declares Him, full of grace and truth.
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Danny D. Maynard
The Romans proved that divinity for any human born of a woman was a farce!
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Stacey Owens
The first commandment is already broken by having them put it in the schools to make it as a requirement. The 10 Commandments was the Law of God for men to show them they are sinners. No the bill makes it the void of God making man the God to serve man. (It's idolatry now).
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Danny D. Maynard
I expect we will be seeing other sets of commandments from all the various mythologies just like the mythology called "Christianity"!
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Nicholas J Page
No this is another forced upon who in their right mind would post this in classes.Its similar to forcing religion on people it's up to the individual and it's their right to study and learn in the privacy in their in own environment.Why are believers getting involved in what children want.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Because they are Christians and believe everyone should follow their faith. It’s forcing their religion on everyone else, not caring what other parents might think of it. They go to far.
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Clay Serenbetz
The 10 Commandments arise in the Old Testament. Some argue that the laws in the Old Testament are part of God’s story with ancient Israel. Because none of us today are ancient Israelites, none of the laws apply directly to any of us in the way they did to their original audience. I prefer to follow contemporary laws, rather than those that are well over 2,000 years old that are only coincidentally applicable in the modern age. For example, eating Kosher foods was among the rules followed by ancient Israelites. Few of those who are not Jewish still adhere to this ancient rule. Another example, according to the Mosaic Law in the Bible, Leviticus 11:1-15:33, a woman is considered unclean for seven days during menstruation. Anyone who touches her is also considered unclean until evening. After seven days, the woman is considered clean and contact is permitted. Women who are experiencing menstruation are rarely left untouched in modern societies.
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Thomas P. Davis
The 10 commandments are a transcript of God's Characteristics. If you do a study on the law (the one that God wrote not Moses) you will see that it a one to one relationship, God is Holy, the Law is Holy, God is perfect the Law is perfect, etc and etc. I believe it was my old church that turned it into a Jewish thing. The is a vast difference between the moral law that God wrote Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. that were placed inside the ark under the Mercy seat Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me. verses Moses wrote ( health, civil etc.) " Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and were placed on the side of the Ark, "Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
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Bond Wright
Serenbetz: (and all others). All that stuff about "woman is unclean when she is menstruating" is nothing more than a bunch of sexist baloney by a bunch of males who refuse to GROW UP and be a real person. The same group who supported slavery of Africans, etc. etc. etc. No one gets here unless women menstruate. It is a normal function of the human body--and not a bunch of nonsense about a state of being "unclean". It is flat out woman-hating and has caused millions of girls and women to suffer. Science has a better view and the people's spirituality (Wittan, Wiccans, Pixts, etc.) call it the "sacred bloods". And as a side note, the human female cannot get pregnant during sacred bloods. Hmmmmmm, interesting isn't it? This holds all kinds of possibilities. Perhaps that's another reason sexually frigid males put a "hex" on this......and a last point: Blood is good. It makes it possible for us to be ALIVE. Get it? Stop teaching hatred of blood. Get smart.
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ServantOfJudgement
Bond,
Not sure how up to date you are on things but they recently discovered that certain pathogens exist in blood. The FDA and CDC call them bloodborne pathogens. Also, I'm not sure how much you know about female anatomy and their bodily functions but I guess this menstruation thing you're talking about is a flow of blood.
Im not sure how your math is but if you can put 2 and 2 together you might see why an ancient people without antibiotics or knowledge of microbes would be told to be cautious around blood, like the CDC and FDA say today to every single person in the country.
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Thomas P. Davis
I once read another article from a doctor on why to avoid a woman at that time of month. Since the blood system is open to allow the flow of blood there is a possibility that air could be pumped into it, and that is not a good thing. On a side note, I have done a lot of reading on how to survive in bear country. It seems most of the attacks there were women present that were mensurating. The pheromones that are given off at the time seems to aggravate them. I am smiling as I write this because my late wife knew every month before she started hers, because she said the night before, I got all frolicky. I guess we respond to those pheromones too.
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Clay Serenbetz
That was my point exactly, ancient laws should not apply in this scientifically and woke time.
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Tareq Asfour
beautiful it’s time to add the rest of the commandments = 613 in the classroom
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Stacey Owens
It's man enforcing God. As it is written, tempt not the Lord thy God.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Is God so weak, that he needs a mere human to enforce anything?
It's more like man forcing God down people's throats.
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Stacey Owens
That was redundent, Enforcing, forcing, its the same thing. The sschools forcing the children to follow the commandments. This would never cause them to accept Jesus Christ, only fear.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
No ... one suggests that God is so weak, that he needs a mortal to enforce his laws. Man forcing God down people's throats is man forcing his own beliefs, not God's law.
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Joy
HAHAH!! I posted something similar. Great minds think alike!
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
Fools seldom differ.
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Dennis L. Rogers
This is exactly what is needed. We must go in the right direction for our childrens path to be wonderful adults.
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James Riggle-Johnson
What is needed is for parents should take their kids to church to learn the commandments. It doesn’t belong in schools where there are children of other faiths.
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Thomas P. Davis
Not, what the parents need to do is raise up their child as the bible says and not leave their responsibility to others, while they go off and play.
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Keith David Harry
BANG! JR, just drop the mic and walk away.
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Russel A. Kester
Absolutely they should be in every classroom in every state in the nation. They are historical foundations of our laws as well as those of the founders of our Republic. Well done Louisiana.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Those same founding fathers were firm believers of slavery too. Should we bring that back as well. They’re already saying they don’t want white children to feel uncomfortable talking about slavery yet now we want to teach them religion. It wrong. Learn it in Sunday school and at home. Keep it out of public education. Not every child comes from a Christian family. What about those parents’ wishes?
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Russel A. Kester
James, the 10 commandments are an ancient code of ethics and law. It was written in the time of the Hebrews so calling them Christian isn't quite correct. It speaks in very general terms about worshipping God, not making idols, don't lie, kill, or steal, take a day for spiritual reflection, stay faithful to your spouse, and don't be envious of other people's things. Pretty basic stuff and good too. That was the whole 10 commandments right there. What was objectionable about them? These are good guiding principles for everyone regardless of their religion and kids should know these ideas.
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James Riggle-Johnson
It’s basic morality. Teach that without the religious references.
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Dan Anderson
Will they also post the Five Pillars of Faith of Islam as well as the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism?
Due to a lack of understanding or knowledge of any other religion, I doubt they will bother to go outside of their own comfort zone.
What a shame.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
What about the 8 Condiments of Pastafarianism? They're just as valid as the christian diktats.
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Danny D. Maynard
Hallelujah! Praise be to the FSM! She boiled for your sins! r'Amen!
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Russel A. Kester
Dan, most likely they will not post the pillars of Islam or the Buddhist eightfold path or its four noble truths because they do not have a historical place in the development of Western society's laws and morals. Though Buddhism is a wonderful religion and its core tenants listed earlier would benefit the inmates.
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Patricia Ann Gross
I was about to post the same thing with a bit of a twist. The 10 commandments say nothing of Jesus, but God. It is not a Christian set of rules, but a set of rules for three religions including the Jewish and Muslim faiths. All three worship the same God. Is there an effort to make that part of the display?
Take away the commandments that require allegance to God, and the rest is a good set of rules to live by. Don't lie, kill, or steal. Share. Love your mothers, fathers, and one another. I wouldn't have a problem with posting those in one form or another.
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Dennis Mark Melancon Jr
Once again, Holy Bible is a good work of fiction.
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Stacey Owens
The fiction is not believing.
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Danny D. Maynard
Your mind appears to be religiously reprobate!
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Stacey Owens
Religion is about pagon worship. Christians are religious worshiper. I am a citizen, a legel person. A citizen of the kingdom. I belong to God. As it is written, I am called a King and Priest. My relationship with the Yahovah is personal. He lives in me through Christ Jesus. I and the Father are one. I'm just the body and Christ is the Head of the body. The head of Christ is Yahovah God.
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Mrknowitall
Sorry we don't believe in those Satanic religions, if you've read them you might agree
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Danny D. Maynard
Little do you know!
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Dan Anderson
What "Satanic religions" are you talking about? If you are talking about Islam, then explain why they worship the same God of Abraham as Christians and Jews.
Buddhism is a non-theistic religion, devoid of conflict with the Judeo-Christian thinking. (No, they do not worship a bald, fat guy, or any other statue!)
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James L. Giberson
Should be in every classroom, every courthouse, everywhere. Very easy to understand why.
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
The first amendment states the first two commandments are non enforceable. And I do worship other Gods and use images in their worship
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Jimmy Moon
But one day it will be enforced. GOD is a loving GOD and is giving you the chance to repent of your sins now. But, soon every knee will bow before HIM. Do it now before it's too late.
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James Riggle-Johnson
If God is forgiving then why do we need to "Do it now before it's too late."? It makes no sense.
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Mrknowitall
You have one life, there are no second chances....hello
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Dan Anderson
Jimmy - Technically, knees do not bow, unless you have no knee caps. They may bend, however. Is this what you mean?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Simply put…you are delusional.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
The christian god is possibly the most evil entity imaginable. Thankfully it isn't real.
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Stacey Owens
Don't you realize your lack of faith is imaginable. I feel for you because its real.
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Thomas P. Davis
I believe you refer to this statement in the future. Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Soon and very soon as the song says. Yes, the bible says 2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) When Jesus finishes His work, He makes this statement Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Our probationary time is over, just like those outside the Ark after God closed the door. Our life choices have been made.
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Stacey Owens
The image of the beast and his mark is Christian Nationalism, combined with the 10 commandments, and the policial system is idolitry: The mark on the forehead, means the mind and the mark on the hand is power and money. This will cause people to worship the beast: (Christianity Religon)
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Thomas P. Davis
Nebuchadnezzar made an image of himself in Dan 2 because he did not believe that any kingdom would rule over him. Then he made people worship that image. In the end time scenario, the sea beast wants the power he once had back, that he lost when he received the deadly wound. The land beast will give it back to him, (scripture calls this the point in time when the lamb-like beast will speak as a dragon) thus restoring the image he once had. If you research the sea beast, he is very proud to tell you what his mark is. If you have the mark in your forehead, it just means that you believe him 100%. If you have it in your hand, you don't believe him but go along with it so you can supply support for your family.
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Stacey Owens
I have researched it in pray and through Christ who dwells within me as it is written in your research that speaks of me. Christ in me the Hope of glory. Its called revelation by the spirit of truth. The Lamb like beast that speaks is false religon. Which causes its believers to worship the image of man. The mark on the forehead is the mind. Meaning, the control by deception. The mark on the hands means fear. reguardless if you be it or not. Its your action.
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Thomas P. Davis
If you read Daniel, you will see that a beast usually refers to a political power, (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, pagan Rome) This lamb like beast had two horns, one denoting republicanism and the other religion, Separation of church and state. We will serve no king and serve no pope. The reason our founding fathers came to the country from overseas. However, it will speak as a dragon and that separation will go away and it will enforce a religion. The Mark on the forehead signifies that there will be people that believe what they are told and go along with it. The Mark in the hand means the people in their minds do not believe it but will go along with it so that they can continue their jobs and provide the necessities of life.
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Rev. Michael Gerraghty II
Then all 4k religions laws should be posted as well you are NOT the only one nor does the planet revolve around you.
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James Riggle-Johnson
I couldn’t agree more, Michael, and then you have State Senator Dodie Horton saying, ‘I’m not concerned with an atheist. I’m not concerned with a Muslim,” She doesn’t care what anyone thinks of others belief systems. They want everyone to be Christian.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
Typical christian arrogance and contempt for all non-christians.
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Mrknowitall
We are a Christian nation, if you don't like it...Leave
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
Not leaving, but I will continue to worship Pagan Gods, use images, eat food offered to them, burn incense and candles to them, work magick and live my life by Pagan codes. That is my protected religious right. As the constitution states government can't force a religion or its laws onto free citizens and there are no religious tests required to hold office or give testimony in a trial
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Michael Hunt
Where in our constitution does Christianity get mentioned? Let me save you the time, it doesn't because we are, and have always been, a secular nation. There may be a long history of religion being practiced in the US but Christianity is not incorporated into our government.
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Would you kindly educate us on how, exactly, it’s “easy to see why?”
Your argument is false, perhaps like the “god” you appear to believe in.
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James L. Giberson
Sorry Elizabeth. If you're asking me to educate you, then you aren't capable of learning. Based on what you call a "false God", you've already heard, digested and then dismissed anything I could " educate" you about. Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
In other words, you're totally unable to explain your "reasoning".
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Stacey Owens
Ringer to Caesar the things that are Cesar's. But to God the things that are God's. Serve only Him. Their is no other god beside Him. Jesus Christ laid down his life to reconcile us back to God. Another law or bill cannot fulfill it. Or the word of of God is canceled out by its demands. The 10 commandments become weak through the flesh.
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Amber Fry
Mmmhmm... do you understand what that very first line means? Even Christianity is about separation of church and state. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's basically mean to keep the laws and taxes but also if you are of God's then give unto God what is his. This is part of what I don't understand. People read these things and spew these things but refuse to take time to understand them.
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Stacey Owens
Christianity is about separation of church and state. Because its a religon. But the things of God are only about Him and the truth about Him. It has nothing to do with church and state. Actually, the body of Christ is the Church, a body believers operating in Christ because he is the Head of the spirit filled body. The Church in the world is a building instituting the biblical veiws and establishing the law by combining its views in the world and not in the spirit of life. It's filled by it's pastor, its not in Jesus Christ cause the pastor of the Church is its head. Combining the religon with the state. By being separate. It's a god of the world.
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Rev. Mike Eggleston
Present your evidence to support that claim.
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Stacey Owens
If you even have read the bible, it say Deuteronomy 5:7 "You shall have no other gods before me". The law or the bill of the state is not written in the commandments. Its an enforcment to cause the school to practice it. Its a mark on the children. if they don't practice it, there will be a penalty. This will cause the word of God to be void and cause parents to worship the law of the school system. The 10 commandments was the law of the soul. Jesus Christ came to redeem man from the works of the soul: (10 commandments). He came to redeem us from under the law. The penalty of breaking it will be great. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law. In him is no sinful nature. Because we walk by faith and not by sight.
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Stacey Owens
As it is written, Jesus Christ is the fulfillemt of the 10 Commandnents. He is the only way to eternal life. Making a Bill to enforce a man to obey the commanment is idolatry. It cancels Gods word, Thus causing the people to serve another god. As it is written, There should not be no other God before Him, This is the first Commandment.
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Michael Sciulli
I think this great news from minstermike
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Tecla Caryl Loup
Outrageous! The 10 commandments are some decent ideas about how to conduct one's life, but if morality is to be taught, let's start with things like not torturing animals or your baby brother/sister. That should be achievable without dragging gods into it.
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Najah P Tamargo
Najah Tamargo -USA I remember reading the Comanments. In A CHURCH!! I remember when you couldn't say the Plege of Alligence in school. So much for "Separation of Church and State!"
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Colleen McAllister
I am an Evangelical, Bible believing Christian. Short answer: no.
The Ten Commandments are a strictly religious set of rules; they do not belong in a public school classroom. Especially if State mandated.
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Thomas P. Davis
If they do go there, everyone else has the right to put theirs there also. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging freedom of speech or the press; or the right of people peaceably to assemble.
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Daniel Gray
Yes they do, but how do you consider this a christian thing since most people who say this dont believe in the Christian Deity. And since it does not specifically mention any deity's name, how exactly is this violating your mythical separation of church and state?
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Danny D. Maynard
Get real for a change!
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Rev “D”
Hmm, how amusing christians argue that god’s law when suits their purpose. Their present day self proclaimed savior former #45 routinely previously violated and continues to all, except commit murder, which he claims he could get away with anyway. Post that hypocrisy, it amused my classmates when pointing out how such a powerful god needed his mere mortal creations to 1. Create writing skills, 2. And then write his commandments and bible for him over few hundred years to get it right.
SMH.
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Rev. Michael Gerraghty II
This has nothing to do with Trump.....How about staying on the subject?
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James Grainger
Agreed, If you are going to teach the bible schools, then we can do away with churches. And if has every thing to do with politics. The far right has been pushing this agenda for decades. If you want to know how religions affects government, read some history or just look to the Middle East today.
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ServantOfJudgement
The first schools in America were often using already built churches for the classroom. The early nation as a whole was taught in a church. This still happens in undeveloped countries. Christian missionaries build schools for the poor while godless corporations and atheistic nations plunder them.
It's hard to hear for some but it's true. Education of the greatest nation to exist in recorded history learned and grew in a pew. All the kids had access to God's word.
Only after taxation against citizens were dedicated schools constructed as a rule of thumb outside of donations. Only after God was pulled did kids start pulling triggers in schools. When woke became the god in school the children responded accordingly. It's not very safe in schools anymore.
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Larry G McKinney
Nearly every framer of the Constitution would vehemently disagree with your view through your “Jesus-colored lenses.” They wanted no part of religion in government, and by proxy, public schools. The right wing dream of a theocracy is a threat to our country.
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Rev. Rory
I recommend that everyone read this article. It is our history in the United States.
https://wapo.st/4bzMPyx (Gifted - no charge or paywall to read the article. Expand the read each complete section.)
I recommend this article in the most respectful manner for those that are not familiar with religion/education from 1918-1969 and the official government program.
Best wishes to all.
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Danny D. Maynard
But now, we can afford schools, so we do not make children go to a church for a religion to which they are not a member!
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Daniel Gray
SCOTUS has already ruled that schools MUST place aside time for religious studies. Never heard of that decision? Not surprising as if this was widely known it would blow the myth of separation of church and state apart.
On April 28, 1952, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Zorach v. Clauson that public school students can, in fact, participate in religious activities during a school day
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ServantOfJudgement
Technically trump also committed murder. Even a nasty thought against some is considered murder to Jesus. We've all committed murder from God's perspective.
Ever have a teacher tell you to write something down? The Bible is kinda like that. The teacher doesn't need the student write anything down but the student does if he's going to learn something. The teacher could write it all down for the students and give it to them but that's a less effective way of learning.
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Stacey Owens
The 10 Commandments was never a law of the land but a law for the mind of man to worship and honor God. It was to acknowledge God. It was to lead them to Christ and acknowledge that they were in sin against God.
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Linda Altman
Ummm, the 10 commandments, actually there are a total of 613, predates Jesus. It has nothing to do with Christ but everything to do with honoring G-d.
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Stacey Owens
This is what I've been trying to say. The 10 commandments is the word of God for men to have exiess to Him. But now Jesus Christ is the exess to the relationship to God, not all the commandments. Christ is the fulfillment of the commandments. The author and finisher, he is the end of the commandments fulfilled. This is why we are to walk by faith and not by sight. He now is the believers life by the word of God. The life now is God through Christ Jesus dwellling in the believers by His word declaring Him.
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Danny D. Maynard
Your Christians religious dogma does not match what I was taught as a child!
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Thomas P. Davis
The ten commandments were not written by man. Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
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Dennis Mark Melancon Jr
Holy Bible is an awesome work of fiction
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Stacey Owens
Its true that you call it an awesome work of fiction. This is how the world was created, from imagination. The imagination of God translated in to words and it was good. Like God said, "Let there be light and their was light". The power of God is not in the imagination but the word, that the power. The Word IS God, and sence you don't receive His Word, because the word from your soul will never understood His name. The thing is, your the fiction until your born again. Then you'll be able to preceive the Kingdom of God.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
I agree; all supernatural-based religions, are merely mankind’s efforts to personify nature; to make nature something one can communicate with, as when Native Americans send smoke signals up into the sky, plus, students who don’t like science can explain their low grades in science, with the simple explanation “science is anti- religion.”
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Danny D. Maynard
There is no such kingdom, except in the reprobate minds of deluded religious fanatics!
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Dan Anderson
Why, then, are there at least TWO versions of the Ten Commandments?
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
The tenth commandment was given to Moses, by a God who was socialistic at that time; even the earliest Christians were socialistic, and supported sending to an eternal fiery hell, anyone who coveted their neighbors property (including his wife) — ut then the Christian/Hebrew God, transitioned to predatory, vulturistic capitalism, — only he forgot to get rid of the tenth commandment. So, now it’s OK to covet— because without coveting, communism would triumph.
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God Bless Everyone. Many More States Need the 10 Commandments And The Bible As Offical Book. I Declare And Decree It. In Jesus Mighty Name.