In a truly disturbing discovery, the remains of 215 indigenous children – some as young as three years old – have been found in an unmarked mass grave at the site of a former Catholic school in Canada.
The revelation was announced by representatives from the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation, who confirmed that the bodies had been buried on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia. The bodies were confirmed via ground-penetrating radar in a discovery that Chief Rosanne Casimir called an “unthinkable loss that was spoken about but never documented.”
Now, First Nations representatives are demanding answers, and a formal apology from the Catholic Church. Will they get one?
A Shameful History
Between the 1870s and 1990s, Canada sent some 150,000 Indigenous children to schools across the country in an effort to eliminate what the Canadian government referred to as “the Indian problem.”
Forcibly separated from their parents, the children were sent away to assimilate them into Canadian culture; Assimilation that included beatings for speaking their native language, malnutrition, and sexual abuse in what the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada now recognizes as “cultural genocide.”
The Commission estimates that between 4,100 and 6,000 children died of abuse within the system.
This particular school in question, Kamloops Indian Residential School, was operated by the Catholic Church and was notorious for children being sent to its grounds – only to never return.
For decades, First Nations advocates tried to sound the alarm. After all, 215 children don’t just go missing without people noticing.
Families reported that their children never returned from this school, but their cries fell on deaf ears. Investigations weren’t opened until decades later – investigations which were then hampered by the Catholic Church’s refusal to release records from that time.
The Canadian government did finally apologize for its role in this system in 2008, paying out some $2.68 billion dollars to 26,700 claimants as part of a class-action lawsuit. And following the new revelation of the mass grave, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called it a “shameful chapter” in Canadian history and ordered flags be flown at half-mast.
So the Canadian government apologized… anyone else who might need to say something? Any, y’know, big churches that might’ve been involved?
...Is this thing on?
Catholic Church Remains Silent
So far, Catholic leaders in Canada have spoken out individually, but mum’s been the word from Pope Francis and the Vatican.
“We call upon the Pope to issue an apology to Survivors, their families, and communities for the Roman Catholic Church’s role in the spiritual, cultural, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse of First Nations, Inuit, and Métis children in Catholic-run residential schools,” says a statement issued by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
If Pope Francis’ history regarding this very issue is anything to go by, don’t hold your breath. In 2018, Prime Minister Trudeau formally asked the pontiff for an apology to First Nations people, which was declined. “After carefully considering the request and extensive dialogue with the Bishops of Canada, [Pope Francis] felt that he could not personally respond,” read a 2018 statement from the Catholic Church to Canada’s Indigenous people.
Still, Catholic leadership in Canada is responding with sympathy. The Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops said that “the news of the recent discovery is shocking. It rekindles trauma in numerous communities across this land. Honouring the dignity of the lost little ones demands that the truth be brought to light.”
Critics have long been calling for the Church to atone for the sins of its past, insisting that Pope Francis and Vatican leaders need to make a more serious effort to reconcile the many injustices which have taken place under the institution's watch. Those calls have only become louder now.
First Nations advocates say a formal apology would go a long way in their healing. So far, however, all they've received is a resounding silence.
What is your reaction?
64 comments
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Considering all of the atrocities that the Catholic Church and it's clergy are known to have committed against many innocent people throughout its history, more and .more coming to light, now in an age when when such wicked people and institutions are much more held accountable for their crimes, all communities everywhere ought to outlaw the Roman Catholic church, and close their churches permanently. And don't stop with the Catholics! There are other religions who deserve the same treatment.
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Stu
Like Nazi Germany , The USSR and most Muslim countries.
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CB
This is so sad. However, it is good that they have been found. Now it is time to see who was/is responsible for the deaths of these children. Chances are that there will not be a formal apology unless and until those responsible are taken to task. Meanwhile, we can pray for the families of those who died. This is also an opportunity to show how indigenous people have been horribly mistreated the world over, much of the time, in the effort to wipe out their religious practices, and oftentimes, to wipe out those people. It begs the questions: Why? Who is so power-hungry they are willing to wipe out whole peoples? Some of the answers may be obvious, but some observers point out that there is a hidden agenda.
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John Norris Campbell
Indigenous ppl like my great grand father who was persucuted by the British empire when they invaded Scotland? And then sent to the "new world" as slaves? This is a little known fact...The Irish as well as the Scotish were conqured and the survivors sent to the americas as slaves...Or how about the burial mounds in Ohio? 9 to 10 foot tall red bearded anglo saxons that are recorded as being slain by indians because they were competition for wild game? Your tears are mis-placed....throw away your history books because they decieve you. Abe Lincoln's diary mentioned these giants way back in the 1850's....so WHO actually are the First nation?...It certantly is not the morons living in skin tents and moving with the seasons, those guys are the new kids on the block....Archaeologists have found permenant settlements dating back to 1 BC....and guess what? All the remains show anglo saxons as being the main inhabitants....Bones don't lie but ppl do>
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That sounds like a good story for a different article John, but doesn't have añything to do with this one.
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John Norris Campbell
I guess the point I was trying to make is that we have a human problem. I have no love for the apostate Roman catholic Church, as I spent 7 years in a catholic boy's boarding house as an orphan. And they do use corporal punishment as late as 1976 when I ran away to live on the streets at 14. Expecting those ppl to cop to liability is not going to happen.
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Barry Havard
I don't think so asthenia people in charge now probably were noteven born and those actually responsible are probably dead you can't tar everyone with the same brush ..just saying
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Rev. Laurie G. Cleveland RN
As a woman and a mother, I cannot imagine what these kids went through. The United States is just as culpable, only mass Graves haven't been found, only remains of babies under convents. This attempt at taking children against their parents and there will has to stop. There are also stories circulating that women are sterized against there will. Can you please tell me what they have done wrong? Can you please tell me why people are so threatened by this group of people? I live in Franklin co., NY which I s the most inbred and lowest income. I can only attribute it to the large Native American population that we have in this county. To make matters worse, NY state refuses to up the 500% below poverty rate. In MA where I come from, I got food stamps and other perks. Here, I get squat. Why? The 500% is 950/mo. Nobody can live on that, never mind well. You will never get an apology from the Catholic Church. How many Wise Women did they murder? How many people did they kill because they wouldn't convert. In bother Canada and the US it is a person's right to practice their religion and way of life. In fact it's illegal to discriminate, yet the only group t h at really gets discrimated against are the Native Americans. So, everyone needs to write into their presidents and lawmakers to mix the. Abomination thst the INS is and does. INS is NOT a problem. These people are not problems except that they need the s5ame rights as everyone else. 9
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Ok maybe I am not getting all the needed info from this article, but if this was going on as recently as 1990, than surely there must be some still living today who can take on some of the legal blame and face judgement for this atrocity right?
Clearly the bodies need to be dated if possible, but any who have died in the last 30-50 years, there is a real chance those adults in the church who over saw this school are still walking and talking, and need to be held to account in this life before being sent on to face whatever powers that be await in the next.
This sadly isnt even a new thing or even motived by white vs non white bigotry. Catholics did this same sort of thing all through europe. Scotland and Ireland have both had a few cases of mass graves of orphans taken by force from unwed mothers in work houses etc.
There is a film I saw set in poland in the aftermath of WW2 that was apparently based heavily on true events. it was about a convent that had been attacked and its nuns brutalized by soldiers, first by the nazi, then later by russians forces occupying the area. The mother of the convent would take the children born of these rapes and leave them in the woods to die of exposure.
As we often point out in our arguments with members of the zealoutous abrahamic faiths, their vaunted pro life stance seems to end the moment the child is born, as child killing and the blood of newborns is thick on the hands of every single follower of the god of Abraham. After all dont they proudly talk about their god slaying every first born child in a city just to humble a living god.
Funny random thought, Christians sure like to treat a god losing his mortal son/physical incarnation of self for a whole 3 days like its a big sacrifice. But Pharoah sure suffered far more at the hands of a rival deity who unleashed war crimes like a good little terrorist. Then again considering how their modern incarnation treats the people including the children of those not of their faith under their dominion, its clear they still think tyrannical violence and mass murder of those not chosen by thier god is acceptable.
I am glad not every child of the tribes of Judah supports Israel and its atrocities. It gives me hope that people of all faiths can let go of their iinsular attitudes and accept that their faith is just a personal thing, and not a divine rule for all to follow.
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Christian
Does this remind you of the mass grave of unnamed slaves dumped and buried at George Washington's slave plantation Mount Vernon in Virgina ?
It seems all empires are built on top of the bones of the past. It is up to Us, the living, to strive to live and do better than our ancestors.
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Marianne Gagne
An apology isn't the only thing necessary what is necessary is a full investigation and legal action. If reports were known to have been made going back decades. Then there are leads. Who were these reports made too? Even the people receiving the reports who did not act are criminally liable too. Charge the Catholic church and do a full investigation, investigate the Vatican if need be......get answers.
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Linda Salavarria
Hey, maybe in 400 years. Are we there yet?
And I find it strange that so many christian churches and their believers LOVE bashing the catholic church for its atrocities but hey, didya look in the mirror lately? All these established religions are guilty of causing immense pain to others in the name of god in one way or another. I'm sick of the finger pointing - you're ALL guilty!
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Michael Burton
An example of the ultimate clash of cultures. Formal church organizations maintain control through thier selfcentered power base at the cost of any other belief or culture. Christianity in whatever form tolerates nothing that goes outside its tenets and will use whatever intimidation or force to ensure it's "supremecy". The First nations people suffered the consequences in this case (and others) by the abuse of children. It was men and women who abused these children to death in the name of thier church inthe false hope of "redeeming" the souls of the children. Christianity has incorporated thier god, created a corporate structure and a power structure that has felt free to exercise power in order to maintain that corporate structure. The so-called Catholic Church should not apologize for the abuse of these children, they should apologize for 2021 years of abuses to humanity.
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Nicholas J Page
That's typical of the Catholic church and the Pope always a cover up.Of all the nastiness that has and always happened It gets swept under the carpet How can these religious people do such a thing.Its always bad news.Nothing good comes out of the Church and hasn't done for years and they refuse to apologize.it makes me sick You people can not call yourselves Catholics or any religion.This appalling behaviour needs to stop TODAY Not tomorrow or when these pond life decide.You should not be sharing our oxygen.Save it for the well meaning
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Linda weeks
As we acknowledge this terrible tragedy, we also need to remember that residential schools in both the United States and Canada were part of a government-sanctioned program of genocide against indigenous peoples. The facts are well known in Native communities and data is available to if you can get access to it in government files. We need to demand accountability, and economic restitution from the governments and all religious institutions that participated in the brutal attempted forced assimilation of indigenous people.
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Minister Mike
Yawn.
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Maximillian Martin
That's about a racist attitude. My people deserve way more respect than that AND to be paid back for everything we lost!!
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John Komorowski
Some "minister" you are. I guess if it doesn't directly effect you, it's of no concern. Ho hum.
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Daniel Gray
do autopsies if they died normally then there is nothing that can be done, if they died from smallpox or something like that then take the US Government to court
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John Anderson
Unfortunately, 20 to 140 years later, without embalming, equals nothing but bones being available for examination. There will be some trace evidence, but all soft tissues are gone. And, the US Government has no standing in Canadian courts. They are trying to get the Canadian government to acknowledge some responsibility, as these were forced removals by the RCMP under the Indian Act from their families, but that is about as forthcoming as the Church acknowledging the fact that it was involved.
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Raymond Vance Kasey
IF these children died of natural causes such as a smallpox epidemic or some other malady that's one thing but if not, then this is a genocidal crime as awful as any other we've witnessed in the world in the last century.
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Kiltedbiker
Agreed. Do we know the actual reasons behind their deaths? It would seem that those many deaths in a short time span could be attributable to illness (such as smallpox). If it was from abuse, prehaps scientific investigation into their remains will provide useful information, certainly records held by the Roman Catholic Church would be useful.
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Allen Lusk
Maybe read a little better, it's in Canada silly. What does the US have to do with it?
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Laurel Lee Newman-Curry
Catholic Church is still receiving children--paid by government to take.....first groups of unaccompanied during Obama disappeared with big $'s through Catholic Charities and who is the filter groups?
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Laurel Lee Newman-Curry
Reading again--aren't we supposed to learn from history? I have read the Hopi bible and what was done by the Spanish/Catholic Church to the natives. If nothing is learned from what came before and corrected, it will continue as it is doing currently.
No, you can't go back and repair what was done, but acknowledgment will go far in NOT repeating. But as being seen, it continues because of the $'s and power behind the ongoing treatment of 'people'.
As I am of Native American ancestors, I left 'religions' knowing it is a power over movement that suppresses the freewill that Creator gave us--like the government is doing--fear factor.
Spirituality is God given!
Namaste-Rev. Laurel
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Constance L. Townsend
The Pope has expressed his sadness over the atrocity. What more do we expect of him? It is not the Catholic church as a whole which did this, but that piece of it under the thumb of the Canadian Government. Atrocities like this also occurred in Government schools. What more can we do but share in the grief? We can't atone for history.
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Takaya Kovani Sweeney
Their deaths were the feature, not the bug.
The bast**** had already genocid-ed their parents, now they go after the kids.
They tried to repeat this under Dump at the border…why else were they separating children? J/s…
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Trusana Monique Hall
No. Why should they admit fault by apologizing. What are they apologizing for?
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Maximillian Martin
Then no one should feel bad for jews and what happened to them. I know I don't feel bad about their so called "holocaust"
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Rabbi Francine MacHotka
What did the Jewish people do to you?
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Marceline Eagle
Can we check all the schools And let these children move on now
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Marceline Eagle
Can we please back it all and get to all the churches and schools now let the children Move on!
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Martina Petra Ruiz
The people who are responsible for this horror, are all dead and gone. Why is everyone blaming the Pope or the school system across Canada? Back in the day, that's how we all lived, but none of us knew that it was happening in anyone else's home. I'm not giving an excuse, because it took me over 55 years to learn how to get over the abuse that I struggled with as a child, but I am saying that it was a different world back then. What you all deem as spankings today, was NOTHING like what we had when I was growing up. And the abuse that went on inside the home, was nonexistent to the outside world. It wasn't until my generation grew up that we learned that we were not alone, and that this kind of abuse happened in almost every home in North America - if not, the world. In my elementary school, the teachers and principals were allowed to slap us, kick us, beat us with a paddle or belt, and our parents never stepped in to stop it. My long hair, which was usually tied in a pony tail or braids, was pulled or cut, by teachers as well as other kids, but nobody did anything to stop it. I got touched by two different teachers, but never under the clothing. And because all of my mental and physical abuse came from adults inside and outside of the home, who was I going to tell?
That's the same with these children who have died much earlier than they would have liked. They had no-one to turn to, no-one to tell their problems to, and that's such a shame. It was a rough society, brutal at times, and my heart goes out to all of those who have gone before their time. But please don't blame the church or the school system. Blame the adults in general. Adults who should have known better, but that wasn't their mind-set back then.
That must shock you, you who are living in 2021, because even children at 4-years-old know the difference between right and wrong, but the folks back then lived by different standards and different rules. They lived like a barbarian and ruled with an iron hand. It took me my whole lifetime to understand why those unbelievable things happened to me, and the thousands of others who endured those same things, but I don't blame the school system or the church. I blame the adults who should have known better.-
John Komorowski
Martina, to a large extent you are correct. But realize that a lot of those in the so-called schools/churches were part of an institution that condoned (wink, wink), what was going on. Yes, adults of that time were hard in hard time. but there was an almost universal dislike of others if you weren't like them. Cultural warfare, with genocide thrown in. Ignorance ran rampant, 'fire and brimstone' preachers added to it, others did the same, and some it still goes on today.
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Richard Lee Cornell
Something on the order of what happen when the Spanish enter the Americas, the local natives were killed of. Small Pox being a weapon of choice. It has had a history mass murder on a grand scale. It was said that the killing of Jews during WW2 was a idea plotted long before Hitler came to power.The Catholic Church in Poland gave land to Hitler's cause.
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Rabbi Francine MacHotka
The Christian Crusades killed Jewish people for not converting to Christianity.
Other nations before them also killing them or enslaving them or expelling them from their countries and stealing from them.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Funny the same could be said of the Palenstinians who are murdered by truly evil and abhorrent people who happen to be part of your so called chosen tribe of god. And dont even try to argue, the claim your people have on that region ceased thousands of years ago. The attempt to conquer it and force people from their rightful homes makes every single member of the global jewish community complicit and a member of a truly evil faction. Until the persecution of the palestinians cease, the children of the tribe of Judah have no right to complain about past atrocities committed against them.
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Lionheart
I wonder where all the skeletal remains ended up after the great biblical flood created by that great mystery in the sky 🤔
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Karen M Butler
The Church has done this to children all over the world throughout time. There are many stories on the internet that you can research. Saying sorry would be a start but something more needs to be done about the way they treat children.
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Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod
Brothers and Sisters "God is LOVE" 1 John 4:8, 16.
John 1:18 “NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME; the Only Begotten Son [Jesus Christ], which is in the Bosom of the Father, only He has seen Him.”
1 John 4:12 “NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME. If we LOVE one another, God dwells IN US, and His LOVE is Perfected IN US.”
However Christians love heathen religious idols, thus they cannot truly LOVE one another, and therefore God’s LOVE cannot be perfected IN them as the Bible just said in 1 John 4:12. Hate and fear is very prevalent today, especially the religious fear of God. So sad.
NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME!!! And since the racist Catholic Church, and Christianity as a whole, creates racist graven images of Father God as a white man, it’s just Natural that racist demonic white idolaters would rape, kill and destroy especially INNOCENT CHILDREN of Color as we just read.
God COMMANDS in His 2nd COMMANDMENT Do Not worship idols and if you do you HATE HIM!!! (Exodus 20:4-5). Therefore Christians unknowingly HATE GOD and worship the devil. And people of color hate their Beautiful colored skin color because they believe the lie of idol-worshipping racist Christianity that the God’s skin is white, especially the lie of the Racist, idol-worshipping CHILD-RAPING, CHILD-KILLING, ANTI-CHRIST Catholic Church.
“God is LOVE” 1 John 4:8, 16. As you can see the Catholic Church is not LOVE. Never has been.
The Bible clearly says that NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME except JESUS CHRIST!!! (1 John 4:12). Then what is that voodoo image nailed to the cursed Roman cross in Roman Catholic Cathedrals and Churches and nailed to the pope’s staff that has put an Evil spell on the entire world??? That abomination nailed to the pope’s staff and to the Roman Catholic cross is EVERY Christian who believes that tortured dead Terrifying image is God!!! Voodoo. The TRUTH will set you free.
Jesus Christ CONQUERED death and the crucifixion in Revelation 1:18!!!
Apostle Paul asks you in 1 Corinthians 3:16 “Know YOU not that YOU are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU?” Well do YOU???
And not only does Christianity/Catholicism lie about the color of Father God’s skin (God is INVISIBLE!!!) but religion lies on the Majestic Regal-Royal Hamitic (so-called Black) man Nimrod. Nimrod never built the tower of Babel, because the Tower of Babel was NEVER Built in Genesis 11:1-9. Nimrod built his City of Bab-il (Gate of God) in Genesis 10:10. Racist Bible scholars changed the name of Nimrod’s City of Bab-il (Gate of God) to Babel (Confusion), which We just proved and can prove further. Interesting. More Racist Religious Treachery.
Young’s Analytical Concordance To The Bible ©1982, page 696 reveals My Noble Name “NIMROD” means “VALIANT, STRONG” to Our Father God, in the Hebrew language.
Sincerely, your LOVING Friend Christ Nimrod. I AM The Spiritual Revolutionary “LIFE” Coach KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS (Revelation 19:11-21).
Sisters and Brothers does anyone in our Great on-line ULC community have any questions??? Please ask. Thank you. Peace. Namaste.
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Don O Williams
Yes they should apologize. There have been many atrocities committed by the Catholic Church and the apology should come from the top. This should not be a mass condemnation of the Catholic Church/Religion. However, more accountability is required. Last note nothing is perfect but action that cause harm emotionally/mentally , physically, and financially should never be tolerated. May the Deity of your choosing bless you.
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Rabbi Francine MacHotka
No one knows why the children died. It’s very sad but it’s too late to get a cause of death from what I hear. We can’t assume without proof. There must be some adults alive to say why. I read recently that bread made back in the day had chemicals in it that made it white but also killed children in orphanages until they learned what was happening. This was in England and not on purpose at all and not intentionally targeting any race in particular. Maybe some of these recipes were in Canada, too. Our own government is currently doing the very same cover up at the border & they don’t get impeached.
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Odilia Galvan Rodriguez
There are indigenous witnesses - they were there, they were children themselves but know what happened because many of the same things happened to them and some even witnessed the atrocities. There is testimony.
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Alexander Clarke
Catholics are easily led by men who are easily corrupted. Religions are inherently corrupt and amoral.
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Rabbi Francine MacHotka
Speaking of child abuse by the government who as it has said took control over the lives of these children then placed them in unsafe hands ..... Does any of that sound familiar?!!! How many children at the border without names who can just disappear at the hands of a system not able to care for them?!! How many mass graves are there already? Of course those who died passed from “Covid” not the filth, lack it food & water, no bed, rapes, murders, lack of clean clothes, no toilets, feces all over and around them ... but of course miss Harris hasn’t been there “lol” to see for herself because then she’d have to say she knew about how bad it was instead of being able to say down the line “so sorry we weren’t fully briefed on the situation”. As abusers think & say “It’s ok to abuse as long as no one sees you and the victims dare not talk about it”. So no cameras allowed.
This is mass abuse at the hands of this administration and everyone has seen a picture of the rooms and heard the truth.
The children being put on planes & dropped off in the middle of the night?
How many are dead being dropped in the middle of the ocean over night? I complain to my legislation using as serious a language as I can but this administration can not be bothered.
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Angel
You want to help these kids? give them a proper burial and funeral I have no doubt these children would be eternally greatful.And then make sure nothing like every happens again. History isn't meant to be forgotten, its meant to be learned from.
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Angel
These kids don't need an apology, they need a proper burial. I'm sure they would be eternally greatful.
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Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod
THIS IS A CORRECTION!!!
We wrote "The Bible clearly says that NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME except JESUS CHRIST!!! (1 John 4:12)." 1 John 4:12 is NOT the correct verse. Pease accept Our apology.
CORRECTION: The correct verse is John 1:18. The Bible clearly says that NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME except JESUS CHRIST!!! (John 1:18).
Also the INVISIBLE "God is LOVE" (1 John 4:8, 16). Tough-LOVE!!! That is not a correction. That is the TRUTH.
Father God sent His VICTORIOUS Son Jesus Christ to CONQUER death for us (Revelation 1:18). That was NOT an easy Task. And even though Christ did sweat drops of Blood on the mount of Olives, and beseeched Father God to take the hard task from Him (Luke 22:44), Father God did not, thus exhibiting Tough-LOVE. And Christ continued to march on to fulfill His Purpose, His Calling, and Christ did the impossible by Defeating and CONQUERING death for us all!!! CHRIST WON!!! CHRIST LIVES!!! CHRIST IS HEALED!!! THEREFORE YOU WON AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WIN!!! MARCH ON WITH THE CONQUERING CHRIST IN YOU!!! (JOHN 14:20.)
Christ is now REWARDED with Sitting in the THRONE OF GOD with His Father God (Revelation 3:21). Hallelujah!!! Amen.
And if Christians and religious people want to sit in THE THRONE with God and Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ says they must "Overcome" in Revelation 3:21. Overcome what??? Overcome double-crossing religion. Remember it was evil religious leaders and their crazy religious followers along with the evil Romans who put Christ on that evil Roman cross of torture and death. And today it is Christianity, especially the Roman Catholic Church, that keeps a fake figure of Christ on an evil satanic cross and gives it to "We The People." That is demonic!!!
3 John 1:2 “BELOVED, I wish above all things that you Prosper and be in Health, even as your Soul [your Mind] Prospers.”
By the way, Father God DID NOT FORSAKE Our Rich Twin Brother Jesus Christ on that Cursed, Horrible, Evil cross that Christians ignorantly adore so much and bow down to and wear around their necks and tattoo on their bodies. They are Deceived and do not know that CHRIST WON AND IS SITTING IN THE GLORIOUS THRONE OF LIFE!!! (REVELATION 3:21). FATHER GOD NEVER DID FORSAKE HIS WEALTHY, COURAGEOUS VICTORIOUS SON CHRIST ON THAT EVIL CROSS!!!
QUESTIONS: (1). Do you think that Jesus Christ loves the cross??? (2). Do you think Jesus Christ would want to be around people who worship the cross, the instrument of His torture and death??? (3). WHAT WOULD JESUS DO???
Father God DID NOT FORSAKE CHRIST on that Demonic, Devil cross. When Christ said "Father Father why have You forsaken Me?" in Matthew 27:46, Christ was PRAISING Father God not blaming Father God. What Nimrod!!!??? That's crazy!!! That’s also what the deceived religious people thought as they watched Christ being double-crossed and crucified. And they were constantly studying Scripture searching for their Messiah, their Christ, while crucifying Him!!! They were so religious-minded they were no Spiritually-Good.
When Christ said "Father Father why have You forsaken Me?" in Matthew 27:46, Christ was quoting Psalms 22:1 which is a PRAISE HYMN of My ancestor King David. The 22nd Psalm describes the crucifixion of Christ. King David says in Psalms 22:24 "For He [God] hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER HATH HE HID HIS FACE FROM HIM; but when he [Jesus Christ] cried unto Him, HE HEARD."
And King David PRAISES GOD until the end of the Psalm. Christians should study the Bible and read the 22nd Psalm for themselves and THINK for themselves, and erase their lying religious leader’s lies out of their minds.
Christian preachers, pastors and popes, have for centuries taught and are still teaching the world the BIG LIE that Father God " Forsook Christ and Hid His Face from Christ on the cross because God could not stand to look upon sin." That would make My Father God afraid of the devil who IS sin!!! Right???
We say again, King David says in Psalms 22:24 "For He [God] hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER HATH HE HID HIS FACE FROM HIM; but when he [Jesus Christ] cried unto Him, HE HEARD."
Catholic and Christian are names for the Deceived LOST. So sad. Apostle Paul instructs them to STUDY in 2 Timothy 2:15. As the stock market goes up, time is running OUT (read Matthew chapter 24).
3 John 1:2 “BELOVED, I wish above all things that you Prosper and be in Health, even as your Soul [your Mind] Prospers.” Prosperity is Good.
SAVE THE CHILDREN..... FROM WORSHIPPING "A BLOODY DEATH COVID-19 IDOL ON A CURSED, POVERTY, VOODOO CROSS" IDOLATRY!!! (EXODUS 20:3-5). THAT’S THE SPIRITUAL VACCINE!!!
Sincerely, Your Friend Nimrod, The Spiritual Revolutionary "LIFE" Coach KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS (Revelation 19:11-21). Peace. Namaste.
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Lionheart
Thank you Erech for posting your comments and thoughts from the book you ascribe to being sacred teachings of the word of a deity. I had thought of texting you passages of what others also call sacred teachings from the Quran, and the Bhagavad Gita etc., but of course as there is no testable evidence they are in fact from any deity I guess I don't see the point, but interesting nonetheless. I guess we'll never know whether these people ever existed, and if they did, we'll never know if they actually said these things being as they were penned way after their deaths.
I understand there is still no direct evidence for any of the people like Moses, or Exodus events, in non-biblical ancient texts or in archaeological remains, which has led most scholars to omit the Exodus events from comprehensive histories of Israel.
As a matter of interest there are in fact some wonderful words of wisdom written in the Harry Potter book series that I quite like by Dumbledore. Thank you though.
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Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod
BRAVE LIONHEART “I AM” VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO REPLY. THANK YOU. THE QURAN AND THE BHAGAVAD GITA ARE WISE HOLY BOOKS. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM IN THOSE BOOKS, OF COURSE THAT IS OK. FREE CHOICE. FREE THINKING. AS YOU WROTE DUMBLEDORE IN THE HARRY POTTER BOOK SERIES HAS SOME WONDERFUL WORDS OF WISDOM. AND THAT’S OK.
I AM A BELIEVER THAT EVERY IDEA, EVERY THOUGHT COMES FROM A DEITY OR UNIVERSAL MIND, OR GOD, OR WHAT EVER YOU CHOOSE TO CALL INSPIRATION. YOUR INSPIRATION HAPPENS TO COME FROM THE LOVELY, INTELLIGENT CREATIVE AUTHOR J.K. ROWLING. HER GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS AND HER MIND ARE TRULY VERY INSPIRATIONAL.
WHETHER MOSES OR THE MIRACLES IN EXODUS ARE TRUE, I AM A TRUE BELIEVER. THE BIBLE IS NOT A “HEAD” THING. IT IS A HEART, MIND AND FAITH EXERCISE. LIONHEART THAT TAKES A SKEPTICISM, A HUNGER FOR UNDERSTANDING, AND DEEP, DEEP STUDY OF THE HEBREW AND GREEK LANGUAGES WITH A “SPIRITUAL REVOLUTIONARY” MIND TO CONNECT THE DOTS. AS TO WHETHER SCIENTIFIC AND/OR ARCHEOLOGICAL PROOF EXISTS FOR MOSES AND THE MIRACLES, YOU CAN FIND ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST ON THE INTERNET.
“I AM” SAYING THAT THE ORTHODOX RELIGIONS OF JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM AND THE MORMONS ARE EXTREMELY RACIST AND SEXIST, FULL OF FALSE TEACHINGS.
THE BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE TAUGHT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS UP TO TODAY AND TOMORROW THAT MY BEAUTIFUL BLACK SKIN IS A CURSE OF GOD IN GENESIS 9:25. WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR (GOD, CHRIST AND I) ATTENTION, WE REALIZED THAT THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH SO-CALLED BLACK PEOPLE. THEY BELIEVE, PRAY TO, AND ADORE A WHITE MAN AS THEIR GOD, AND THEY BELIEVE, CONSCIOUSLY AND SUBCONSCIOUSLY, THAT THEIR BEAUTIFUL BLACK SKIN IS A CURSE FROM THEIR WHITE GOD!!! THEY WILL NOT ADMIT TO IT. BUT THEIR RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
GOD AND CHRIST ARE INSIDE (JOHN 14:20). WHEN WE (GOD, CHRIST AND I) HEARD ABOUT A CURSE ON BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE, WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO STUDY THE BIBLE, NOT LOOKING FOR GOD, BUT TO PROVE THAT THE RACIST CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS WERE HYPOCRITICAL LIARS. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL!!! THEN WE WERE DIRECTED, FROM WITHIN, TO LOOK AT JUDAISM, ISLAM AND THE ULTRA-RACIST MORMON RELIGION. INTERESTINGLY THEY ALL SAY THE SAME RACIST THINGS, ME, NIMROD, AND BEAUTIFUL BLACK SKIN THEREFORE I AM ABLE TO PROVE THEM ALL LIARS, RACISTS AND AFRAID OF ME IN THEIR PLOT TO HIDE ME FROM ME.
LIONHEART, A LIE IS THE TRUTH TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. WE HAVE TURNED THE TRUTH RIGHT-SIDE UP. OUR QUEST TO PROVE THE RACIST LIES OF RELIGION TOOK US INTO OTHER AREAS OF BIBLICAL DISHONESTY. THE SEXIST INTERPRETATION OF THE ADAM AND EVE STORY IN GENESIS THE 3RD CHAPTER IS CAUSING WOMEN HELL, AND WOMEN PREACHERS ADORE THE ADAM AND EVE STORY..
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER, DYING DAILY FROM SUICIDE, BECAUSE THEY WORSHIP A SUICIDAL GOD NAILED FOREVER TO A CURSED CROSS, WHICH ALSO BEGETS HOMICIDE, CHILD ABUSE AND DOMESTIC ABUSE. LION HEART, THE BIBLE IS NOT ONLY A BOOK OF THEOLOGY IT IS A BOOK OF PSYCHOLOGY. FOR INSTANCE, IMAGINE THE PEACE ON EARTH IF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN EXODUS THE 20TH CHAPTER WAS FOLLOWED. BUT THE PRACTITIONERS OF RELIGION ARE EVIL, THEREFORE HOW CAN THEY PRODUCE GOOD, FROM THAT WHICH IS GOOD??? THEY CANNOT. BUT THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE FOLLOW THEM, JUST LIKE THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE OBEYED THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND DOUBLE-CROSSED AND CRUCIFIED CHRIST.
LIONHEART, I AM A SPIRITUAL REVOLUTIONARY WITH A LION’S HEART, ALWAYS PREPARED TO FIGHT THE FORCES OF EVIL THAT RELIGION HAS UNLEASHED ON THE WORLD. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD TODAY IS RELIGIOUS. READ MATTHEW CHAPTER 24. PROSPERITY, HEALTH AND PEACE TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES.
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Lionheart
I can see those that believe in the Abrahamic deity have caused great division among those of different races, because of their belief in the Adam and Eve story, and their sons Cain and Abel. I find that whole scenario very sad for the human race.
I base my beliefs on science, logic, and reason, so to me, stories and fables with no factual evidence are basically just that.
Thank you for your opinions and perspective.
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Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod
You are right LIonheart, the Abrahamic religions have caused much division in the human race.
You say you base your beliefs on science, logic, and reason. That's understandable. And what is logical and reasonable to one person may not be to another person. There is a science taught in Colleges and Universities called Darwin's Theory of Evolution, that says the human race evolved from monkeys up to the white man and now the evolving has stopped. That is illogical and unreasonable. There is also said to be a "missing link" that is still missing.
I AM not a son of a monkey. I AM a Son of God (Genesis 1:27).
However true science is good. And thank you Lionheart for your opinions and perspective. Peace.
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Lionheart
No Erech, you misunderstand evolution. The human race did not evolve from monkeys, those primates are our cousins. Evolution is now an exact science that is totally misunderstood by those who only have a rudimentary understanding of evolution and genetics. It's a very common mistake by many who have little understanding of the science of evolution.
Logic and reason is defined by factual evidence that can be demonstrated by anyone to be true. If it cannot be demonstrated and tested to be true it is not classed as logic and reason. It is not arbitrary as you suggest. We can demonstrate by science that the earth is not flat, we can demonstrate by science that the earth is not the centre of the Universe, often believed that it was by Christianity that cause Galileo to be incarcerated for the rest of his life.
You say you are a son of a god. For that to be true you have to be able to prove your claim with demonstrable evidence that he is real. If you cannot prove your claim, you are no different than anyone else saying their god such as Vishnu, Zeus, Thor et al are real.
If I say I am a son of a fairy, I should have undeniable evidence to back up my claim that varies are real. I am not that closed minded to say that fairies, gods, leprechauns, Sasquatch etc., are not real, I just haven't been presented yet with any sufficient evidence to prove they are.
What evidence did you use to convince you that other suggested gods by other people, such as those mentioned above, are not real?
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Erech Melchizedek Christ Nimrod
Hello Lionheart. Your reply is very interesting. Thank you.
Evidently you are an atheist, and that is fine. I AM an atheist too when it comes to fake Christianity's white racist god. You say you are a monkey's cousin. OK. I AM saying I AM a Son of God. Darwin's Theory of evolution is just that, a Theory taught as Truth.
It is True that Catholicism/Christianity caused Galileo to be incarcerated for the rest of his life. I AM not a defender of the ignorance of evil Catholic/Christianity. After all racist Christianity teaches that My Beautiful Black Skin is a curse from God in Genesis 9:25, with no proof at all except thousands of years of scholarly lies upon scholarly lies which I AM easily able to prove wrong even though that fable is ingeniously satanically intricate. Judaism, Islam and the Mormons say the same satanic racist thing.
We said Good Science is Good Lionheart. If you say that you are a monkey's cousin which by the way is taught in Universities as you know, and if you say you are a son of a fairy, that's OK, because I do not have to accept your beliefs or Christianity's beliefs as being True. But if you try to use physical force with your beliefs, that is a whole different ballgame.
People have the right to believe whatever nonsense they choose to believe even if it is killing them mentally, Spiritually and physically. There are Billions of deceived idol-worshipping Christians walking around believing they are right in worshipping racist, white supremacist idols as God when their own Bibles tells them they are psychologically and most of all Spiritually wrong in Exodus 20:3-6 (Father God's 1st and 2nd Commandments).
Keep this in mind Lionheart, you cannot prove that you are a monkey's cousin, DNA or no DNA, except by your actions. Plus has the "missing link" been found??? However, if you and the Human Race choose to believe in your monkey/animal ancestry that's OK with Us, as you kill each other like animals. Have you seen the news lately??? Death, Homicide, Suicide, Hatred and Fear everywhere, and that is evolving and killing innocent, Trusting CHILDREN. So sad.
The Bible says in 1 John 4:12 "No man has seen God at any time. If we LOVE one another, God dwells IN US, and His LOVE is Perfected IN US."
Of course, you would have to believe that, and the Christian world does not. They see their fake racist god as a crucified, bloody, tortured dead white man who is Double-Crossed by religious people and nailed Forever to a Roman Cross.
Lionheart, foolish Christians might as well believe in Vishnu, Zeus, and Thor.
Psalms 122:7 "Peace be within your walls, and Prosperity within your Palaces."
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Lionheart
Thank you for your comment. You misunderstand the phrase “Darwin’s Theory of Evolution”. It was indeed a theory, this is how all good science starts. All science starts with theories and then testing and studies are established to either prove, or disprove the theory. Darwin set the wheels of thought in motion and evolutionary biologists have now confirmed that theory as fact.
Richard Dawkins says, "One thing all real scientists agree upon is the fact of evolution itself. It is a fact that we are cousins of gorillas, kangaroos, starfish, and bacteria. Evolution is as much a fact as the heat of the sun.
I do realize that nothing will convince you of that unless you also studied evolutionary biology, but for you to do that you would have to become a free-thinker and remove all prejudices of religious dogma that will invade your thoughts for progression into original thought.
This is the difference between ourselves. I am prepared to believe fairies are real, even your god, and other people’s gods, when sufficient evidence shows this to be true. So far, no ones god, and no ones fairy, has even shown up to proved everyone wrong. All we have are written stories and tales, and what people “feel” to be true.
There are some people that still think, with no evidence, that Elvis still lives. It’s possible that in 2000 years some people will believe Elvis was resurrected.
Fun chatting with you Erech. Peace ✌🏼
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Lionheart
As Inspector Colombo would say: One more thing: How do you know Jesus sweat drops of blood? It's my understanding, as the story goes, that Jesus stole himself away on his own while everyone slept. If he was on his own on the Mount of Olives, or the garden of Gethsemane, sweating drops of blood, who was it, that wasn't there, that saw the blood event, and heard his words, and recorded it? Can you see how illogical and unreasonable that story is, along with many others in the Bible? Plus, these tales were written by people many decades later who didn't even witness the suggested event.
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Odilia Galvan Rodriguez
Deplorable. Should they apologize? They should do a lot more than that. How about reparations and Land Back? The Catholic and Anglican Church clergy and agents who did these horrible crimes should not be left to get away with it. They should be brought to justice. Someone said this is discipline!? What? Killing children is discipline? Allowing them to starve and imposing slave labor is discipline? Not if it happened to other children. There would be an uproar!
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Anna Logan Hunter
To correct such a Religious then,now a POLITICAL wrong committed? NO....what is there that could make the suffering and the deaths of innocent children seem religious or politically correct even for that time period. A child, who had been taken from all they knew, to be abused until death. And separate they admit but as a whole they do not ... 215 little children's remains were found in one massive grave. Children. Someone's everything. Just gone. To all the families who suffered from this atrocity....I am so very sorry. There is just nothing else I can say right now.
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Kim Currier
This is nothing new for Catholicism,, They have killed in the name of Creator since the birth of that religion. . when will they be called out and held accountable by Christians and other faiths? When will we say Enough is Enough, and dismantle the ugliness , evil within religion ?
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John Norris Campbell
Christians have already called out the Roman Catholic religion, thus, the REFORMATION. It was actually WHY many Christians fled Europe for the New World.
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Jim Reidy
I wonder about the recent obsession that so many people seem to have developed for apologies. From Hillary Clinton for Benghazi to Harvey Weinstein for his admitted casting couch, the demand for apologies, like the demand that people testify under oath, seems to be a bit child-like in its naivete.
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David M., Knight
Religious fanaticism is evil whether it used by a huge "religious" organization to enslave millions or by one individual to coerce another to do their bidding.
Apologies are just words, sincere or not ... worthless!
The Catholic church will never admit to any wrongdoing, and definitely will NEVER apologize!
.... and they don't consider it abuse, they call it discipline.